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TOPIC: why aus is so violent
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 9:26 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Seon Ferguson wrote:
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4b882588$0$12422$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:npWdnfAMVJ7NPBrWnZ2dnUVZ_vcAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> " Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:BUhhn.9629$pv.4833@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nzhhn.9622$pv.1654@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4b852577$0$25779$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which part of the Australian constitution says that Australia is a
>>>>>>> secular country?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chapter 5, Section 116.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the words?
>>>>
>>>> Lazy sod.
>>>>
>>> Why should he look it up? You are the people who made the claim. It
>>> is on you to provide evidence to back up that claim.
>>
>> there is a bible verse at chapter 5, section 116.
>>
> Lol thanks for proving my point. That's about as helpful as asking a
> young Earth creationist about evolution.
Since you lazy sods find a simple Google search too taxing(and as for
pradipshit parekh, additionally suffering from hallucinations brought on
by the realization of zero self-worth), here are the words from Chapter
V, Section 116 of the Australian Constitution, along with a reference
where you can read all of it:
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any
religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for
prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test
shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust
under the Commonwealth.
Now perhaps pradipshithead parekh aka "harmonkey" can indicate where the
alleged Bible verse is in Chapter 5, Section 116, quoted above.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 11:20 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"
"Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:a8a061e5-15c3-4fcc-9203-858054535864@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 24, 2:32 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:61d55abe-8eaf-4da9-9f5d-a1a3d0c044b0@q2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...>
>> On Feb 19, 4:18 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:yZkfn.8556$pv.5147@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >> > "Chris Diesel" <die...@noaddress.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4b7dce1b$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> >> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:Jyifn.8513$pv.6275@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >> >>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> >> >>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >> >>>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they
>> >> >>>>> have a
>> >> >>>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others
>> >> >>>>> killed.
>> >> >>>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
>> >> >>>>> canbera
>> >> >>>>> and straighten out the mess.
>>
>> >> >>>>>http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>>
>> >> >>>> What about India?
>>
>> >> >>> It is a rotten state ruled by a mediocre foreign (and white) woman
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> very many corrupted or stupid sycophants in her tow. She is voted
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> power because the population thinks that the right-wing
>> >> >>> alternative
>> >> >>> (harmony-class bundurrHindus supported by jBm-class bundurrJews
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> their
>> >> >>> rich and unscrupulous WASP slaves) is worse.
>>
>> >> >>>> Your racist government believes they are superior just because
>> >> >>>> they
>> >> >>>> lie
>> >> >>>> and say they have had more lives.
>>
>> >> >>> The government of India has had nothing good or useful to do with
>> >> >>> genuine
>> >> >>> Indians for nearly a thousand years. Because India has been
>> >> >>> enslaved
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> nearly a thousand years, and the process continues.
>>
>> >> It sounds like politicians in Australia. Most of us don't want an ETS
>> >> but
>> >> the government is still pushing it. I am willing to admit that the
>> >> government uses Hinduism as an excuse to maintain their control.
>> >> That's
>> >> what
>> >> governments do.
>>
>> > I don't know what you mean. Does the Aus govt use Hinduism as an
>> > excuse to maintain control - like, do they say sotto voce that if you
>> > don't do this or that we will all turn Hindus and look at what the
>> > Hindus are like in India?
>>
>> No in Australia all religious groups have equal rights and can practice
>> their own religion. While some politicians may be devoutly Christian that
>> doesn't mean it is run on religious principles (despite what the liar
>> Petzl
>> may tell you) we are a secular country.
>
> Which part of the Australian constitution says that Australia is a
> secular country? Why should anyone think that Australia is a secular
> country, when most obviously it is a Christian country? Going by the
> vast number of marvellous churches everywhere, the number of holidays
> around Easter and Christmas, the high public importance of Archbishops
> and Cardinals, the existence of so many private Christian schools, the
> door-knocking exercises regularly carried out by Christians, why
> should one not think that Australia is a Christian country? What have
> other sects including atheists got in comparison? True the Australian
> Govt and also the public are tolerant of the minorities such as Hindus
> like me - far more than say Saudi Arabia. Thank goodness for that!
>
>> >> >>>> The racist barbaric caste system is even worse then our system.
>>
>> >> >>> heh-heh, why do oz racists have issues with the Indian caste
>> >> >>> system?
>> >> >>> Caste is not racist at all - it is endogamous and very useful.
>> >> >>> For
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> allows the retention of skills, group values and unity, in an
>> >> >>> atmosphere
>> >> >>> of personal freedom, and quite irrespective of state authority.
>>
>> >> Why do Indian racists have a problem with aus racists? Lol
>>
>> > They are of different colours, and experience competition. One lot
>> > tries to gain a footing, the other lot tries to dislodge.
>>
>> >> Holly crap while researching it I came across this wikipedia article
>>
>> >> Faced with a bewildering array of thousands of autonomous and
>> >> hierarchically
>> >> fluid communities (Jatis), the late 19th century British colonial
>> >> administration decided to categorise and rank the entire Hindu
>> >> population
>> >> of
>> >> India by placing each of the Jatis within the theoretical Varna scheme
>> >> for
>> >> the purposes of the decennial Census, and ostensibly for eventual
>> >> administrative convenience.[citation needed] The 1901 Census was led
>> >> by
>> >> Herbert Hope Risley, an ICS officer with strong pet racial beliefs
>> >> about
>> >> the
>> >> Indian population. Simultaneous with this first ever codification into
>> >> secular law of Varna-based caste identities during the British empire,
>> >> communities (Jatis) sought to place themselves on higher levels of
>> >> Varna
>> >> categories. On the other hand, most of the Jatis grouped into the
>> >> lower
>> >> caste categories rejected the Varna categories as they found this
>> >> arbitrary
>> >> classification unreasonable, unfair and unacceptable, as it did not
>> >> reflect
>> >> the reality. This newly frozen materialization of caste created a
>> >> growing
>> >> resentment firstly against the system itself and secondly against the
>> >> Brahmins, who were seen to be the beneficiaries of the arrangement
>> >> which
>> >> now
>> >> officially anointed their place at the top of the social hierarchy.
>> >> The
>> >> revolt of the Justice Party and Periyar in the south, by the Maharaja
>> >> of
>> >> Kolhapur and the outstanding scholar Dr Ambedkar in western India
>> >> against
>> >> this, in the early decades of the twentieth century, has had a
>> >> profound,
>> >> long-lasting impact on the Indian society and politics, which
>> >> continues
>> >> to
>> >> this date.
>>
>> >> Dude the Caste system was started by British racists! Why the hell do
>> >> you
>> >> still have it in place! That's fucked up man.
>>
>> > I don't think you understood what you yourself quoted. The quote was
>> > very useful, by the way, so thanks. There has always been enormous
>> > competition among the jatis in India, just as there is competition
>> > between the white and non-white racists in Australia now. Two
>> > different castes, see?
>>
>> Yeah I re read it and now get it. They existed in India at the time but
>> the
>> British turned it racist, right?
>
> Wrong. If anything, the British turned Indians reverse-racists. That
> is, they started hating themselves, despising their own ancient
> culture, craving the attention of whites, always happy to put
> themselves down, in order to gain favour. A great feeling of
> inferiority was inculcated. In short they had and have an inferiority
> complex, and that a racist does not have! Everything about us is
> wrong, whatever they (meaning those blessed with a white backside) say
> is right! Such is the attitude of the Abominable Garg, etc.
>
>> And there is competition but we don't
>> exclude any group based on skin color.
>
> Don't exclude from what? Who is "we"?
>
>> >> >> You accuses Australians of being racist
>>
>> >> > When I say "oz racists" I mean just that. I don't accuse all
>> >> > Australians
>> >> > of being racist, I say that there are such things as oz racists. It
>> >> > does
>> >> > NOT mean that all Australians are racists. You have comprehension
>> >> > issues,
>> >> > I am afraid.
>> >> > There are most certainly horrible racists in Australia, and the
>> >> > Herald-Sun
>> >> > has just published the photos of two white racists who beat a sweet
>> >> > harmless black Sudanese boy to death just because he was black and
>> >> > they
>> >> > wanted a beat him to death simply because he was black. Since these
>> >> > two
>> >> > racists are now in jail, put there by decent Australians who form
>> >> > the
>> >> > majority that is, there is no question of this majority supporting
>> >> > the
>> >> > racist murderers.
>> >> > Life here in Australia is rather less violent on the whole. Going
>> >> > by
>> >> > my
>> >> > own experience, that is. But then, I have led a comparatively
>> >> > privileged
>> >> > life here, and the new immigrants are facing much more hardship than
>> >> > I
>> >> > had
>> >> > to.
>> >> > Of course, any non-white can be murdered by the racists, as this guy
>> >> > was.
>> >> > But in India, too, you could be shot or blown up by Sikh terrorists,
>> >> > Muslim fanatics, ideologically driven Naxals, police shootings,
>> >> > religious
>> >> > riots, wars, etc. Then there are the ordinary criminals, who while
>> >> > comparatively non-violent are nevertheless not exactly peaceful.
>> >> > Then
>> >> > there are diseases, famines, floods, strikes, gheraos, processions,
>> >> > snakes... no end to excitement of a perilous nature in India.
>> >> > Just the luck of the draw - if you get the short straw, you are up
>> >> > for
>> >> > it!
>>
>> >> See the majority of Australians are against those racist thugs. But
>> >> where
>> >> is
>> >> the evidence that attack was racially motivated? Is that what the
>> >> police
>> >> said?
>>
>> > In this case, it definitely was racially motivated and the Herald-Sun
>> > gave a front-page report. The judge thought the attack was racially
>> > motivated. The defendant said that he had once helped a black guy,
>> > but that was not extenuating.
>>
>> Ok maybe that one was but why is it whenever there is an attack the
>> Indian
>> media says it is racist?
>
> I know. This is very wrong. Sometimes there is racism involved but
> definitely not in every case. A long while age my family and I were
> attacked, but they were simply drunks and out of their senses. I
> managed to reason with the least drunk among them, and I have to say
> that my being Indian actually helped in that case. We got away
> without harm, and they even gave us a honour salute!
>
Good for you but that shows they didn't specifically target Indians. The
Indian media would have you believe there is some sort of conspiracy among
racists to target Indian students. I want to know why?
>> Sure they are racist morons in Australia who give
>> this great country a bad name. But not every crime committed is racist.
>
> In fact most violent crimes done in Australia are not racist in
> nature. Crimes within the family, crimes within the mafia, social
> evils, etc. are the most common violent crimes and there is no racism
> there. Not that they are any more pleasant, though - just plain
> evil. Still, on the whole, Australia is much more safe than India.
>
Yep exactly that isn't to say they are no racists in Australia. Sadly I must
admit they are many people who would hate someone just because of their skin
color.
>> >> Why is it when white people commit a crime against a minority they are
>> >> racist but when a minority commits a crime against a white person the
>> >> crime
>> >> is not racially motivated?
>>
>> > It may be that the white guy does it for sport/fun (as in this
>> > instance) whereas the black guy does it out of criminality (for
>> > robbery, etc.) If the black guy says he did it for sport/fun then
>> > yes it is racially motivated.
>>
>> But what happens if the white guy does it because of a robbery and would
>> have targeted the student no matter what his or her skin color is? Is
>> that
>> racist?
>
> No, of course not.
>
>>> >> and them claim the Indian Caste
>> >> >> system is not racist.
>>
>> >> > It is not racist, as I said. It is however endogamous, meaning that
>> >> > one
>> >> > marries within the caste. Within the caste you may have black,
>> >> > brown,
>> >> > yellow, white complexions - these complexions corresponding ot
>> >> > various
>> >> > races are all acceptable in principle but the fairer the colouring
>> >> > the
>> >> > higher the chances of appreciation. So the caste system is not
>> >> > racist -
>> >> > but if the racists want to maintain their racism, caste is a useful
>> >> > system
>> >> > to follow. That way, a white caste could remain white, by being
>> >> > endogamous
>> >> > (whites only marrying whites). Thus, oz racists (did I mean you?)
>> >> > need
>> >> > not knock the caste system, as it should suit them. In other words,
>> >> > caste
>> >> > is not racist but racists could use caste to maintain their racism.
>> >> > Do
>> >> > you understand? This is an important point.
>>
>> >> It was started by the British. Of course it's racist!!!
>>
>> > No, the jati system existed for millenia. The British tried to put the
>> > jatis under the varna system, and the different varnas they renamed as
>> > castes. I don't think you understand, but never mind.
>>
>> >> >> Now I've heard it all, that would have to be one of
>> >> >> the most stupid statements I've ever heard!
>>
>> >> > Please read what I have written a bit more carefully, if you can.
>>
>> >> I didn't write the other stuff.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 11:21 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"
"P. Rajah" <user@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hmaaht1k6s@news1.newsguy.com...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>
>
>
>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b882588$0$12422$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>>>
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:npWdnfAMVJ7NPBrWnZ2dnUVZ_vcAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:BUhhn.9629$pv.4833@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:nzhhn.9622$pv.1654@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4b852577$0$25779$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which part of the Australian constitution says that Australia is a
>>>>>>>> secular country?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chapter 5, Section 116.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the words?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lazy sod.
>>>>>
>>>> Why should he look it up? You are the people who made the claim. It is
>>>> on you to provide evidence to back up that claim.
>>>
>>> there is a bible verse at chapter 5, section 116.
>>>
>> Lol thanks for proving my point. That's about as helpful as asking a
>> young Earth creationist about evolution.
>
> Since you lazy sods find a simple Google search too taxing(and as for
> pradipshit parekh, additionally suffering from hallucinations brought on
> by the realization of zero self-worth), here are the words from Chapter V,
> Section 116 of the Australian Constitution, along with a reference where
> you can read all of it:
>
> The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any
> religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for
> prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test
> shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust
> under the Commonwealth.
>
> http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/comlaw.nsf/440c19285821b109ca256f3a001d59b7/57dea3835d797364ca256f9d0078c087/$FILE/ConstitutionAct.pdf
>
> Now perhaps pradipshithead parekh aka "harmonkey" can indicate where the
> alleged Bible verse is in Chapter 5, Section 116, quoted above.
I wanted harmony to show us where the Bible verse was. You can't just say
"Do your own research"
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 11:54 pm
From: Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
NOW YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER ! Okay ?
Then change towards a more respectful & loving way of life ... indeed
as it is you are as well guilty of the whole set up as the rest ! Look
at your hands & teeth !
... See, reddened with the blood of innocent victims sacrificed on
the altar of your lust, greed & ignorance !
Hence why complain when you pay the bill ?
With kind but sorry regards
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
Gold Mine)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://warrigalpress.com.au/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 12:20 am
From: "Bob Hawke"
You poor French sod Le-Turd - the fairies at the bottom of your garden and
the HOT Aussie sun have warped you brain worse than anyone could imagine. Or
on the other hand has it just shrunk - you know just got smaller and smaller
until it's the size of a pin head in a big empty shell.
But all those veins still go in there all feeding that tiny little nodule
which tries to work so hard, but never quite gets there.
You pooer French demented sod !!!
There are a number of things you can do in order to get by with your
affliction.
Firstly you must realize that you have a problem in the first plasce.
Surely you must realize that you are a demented Nutter. If you don't
believe me, please take my word for it, you DEFINITELY are a NUTTER.
The second thing you must do is to minimize the amount of work you give that
poor little pin sized organ of yours. You must treat it with respect and
nurture it.
Don't nover load it. Forget all about that COSMIC BULLSHIT. It's all CRAP.
The third thing you must do is to stop confusing that small organ if yours
with conflicting information. Stop talking with poor old Horus and Titi.
They are with us no longer and no amount of talking to them will do you any
good.
Your worst enemy though are those nasty little fairies at the bottom of your
garden. You must avoid them at ALL costs. They are no good for your small
pin-head sized brain. They fill yoir brain with all sorts of demented CRAP.
The fourth thing you must do, Le-Turd, is to stay away from that cheap red
plonk you French Frogs grow over there. It is full of all sorts of
pollutants from the polluted soil and groundwater you poor Frogs have to
bear over there.
What you need is some good quality Australian wine - not cheap French plonk.
It will poison your brain even further. Remember Napoleon suffered the same
fate. He died from all the poisons which accumulated in his body.
The fifth thing you must do is to stop shoving that rubber hose up your
arse. If God had intended us to do that we would have all been born with
reubber hoses stuck up our arses. It is simply no good for you., Your poor
little arsehole has to cope with too much already. You shit out of it and
you also talk out of it, so it is overworked already.
And Le-Turd stop playing with it, remember it is at the arse end of your
world.
The sixth thing you must do is to stop WANKING. Remember you have been
inducted into the French hall of fame as France's GREATEST WANKER. Have you
heard anything from the city administrators of La Rochelle yet? I sent then
an email about nominating you as a famous person who has lived in La
Rochelle.
The seventh thing you must do is to come to trhe conclusion that you were
wrong all along and that you are not a famous geologist but you are just
some poor demented, deluded French Nutter.
Finally you must apologize and learn how to repent. You must get down on
your knees and bow your head. You must then place your head between your
knees and shove your head up your arse.
If you repent to the correct degree and shove your head up your arse far
enough, you will completely dissappear and your problems (and ours) will be
SOLVED.
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TOPIC: ELTON JOHN CLAIMS JESUS WAS HOMOSEXUAL
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 9:33 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"
"uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 20, 10:33 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> Yes and while we may think that act is disgusting as well if it is done
>> in
>> the privacy of their own bedroom people should have every right to do
>> whatever perverted crap they want. As long as two adults agree to perform
>> the act and no one is forced into it who cares? Seriously?
>
> The problem is really not whatever perversion people practice. The
> problem really is elevation of this to an alternate life style. That
> is clearly downgrading marriages and honorable, decent moral living.
> This claim to alternate life style is the actual problem. I do not
> support any persecution of perverts but they deserve not adoration but
> compassion and help to shed perversion, if possible
>
Well I don't adore gay people but I do think people who come out of the
closet in a climate where people could still be beaten up for being gay are
brave. There will always be straight people to continue the species. If
every single person in the world was gay and I was pressured into being gay
then I would still not deny who I really am and would still admit women turn
me on. I am sure a lot of people feel that way so I don't think gay people
will cause the downfall of humanity or anything.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 9:36 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"
"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:r9Kdncfd4ZoHmxzWnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:pi7gn.9005$pv.3953@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:m5OdneR1jbZLYB3WnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:KB6gn.8998$pv.2453@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fI6dnflYLcycbR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sE5gn.8984$pv.8892@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:rqidnSsDVPCLQx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:6O4gn.8978$pv.7300@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:5fydnalWIpIOSR3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:Lk4gn.8976$pv.6768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blecks then the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circumsision?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these ever since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are the only cause.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want is the cause of AIDS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.000 people have aids.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Taliban or Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> morally sick nation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sister and brother or your adult daughter and son in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> privacy of your own bedroom provided you use condoms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I realised why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>>> You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> care for you with Christian love and without prejustice.
>>>>>>>>>> When I'm with a woman I will make sure I wear protection so that
>>>>>>>>>> will not happen. If you really want to fight aids you should
>>>>>>>>>> encourage safe sex, not say it is only spread through gay sex.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is spread through immorality. ( The things people do in the
>>>>>>>>> privacy of their bedrooms)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And banning gay sex will end the spread of aids, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's only part of the problem. All promiscuity is responsible for
>>>>>>> Aids.
>>>>>>> Of course, you believe that the individual should have all rights
>>>>>>> while society should not have the right to protect itself from the
>>>>>>> damage caused by induvidual behaviour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bingo, that's my stance as well. Un protected sex either gay or
>>>>>> straight sex is the reason aids have spread.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sex outside marriage with multiple partner is the reason.
>>>>> A condom is no guarantee, especially in homosexual situations.
>>>>>
>>>> Or heterosexual situations. But we can't stop people from having sex.
>>>> Personally I want to have sex with a woman when I fall in love with her
>>>> or at least in like. That way it will be meaningful.
>>>>
>>> sure, but in a promiscuite society that women you have married could
>>> have grown up without (Christian) morality and slept with your best
>>> friend who is bisexual and has AIDS.
>>> Do you know that in Australia seven men commit suicide each day when the
>>> wife decides to work out of the marriage with someone else.
>>> Do you know that in our society half the kids have divorced parents and
>>> are so screwed up that they get into all kinds of trouble?
>>> But, we must protect our right to do what we like and to hell with
>>> society.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That's one of the disadvantages of living in a fee society. We have
>> freedom to do whatever we want but we might hurt people and cause them to
>> kill themselves or receive a sexually transmitted disease. But it is the
>> same reason God gives us free will. We can fall into temptation but we
>> need to accept that actions have consequences. If we didn't have free
>> will and God controlled our every move I would rather kill myself. It's
>> the same with living in a free society.
>>
>> Hopefully the woman I marry doesn't sleep around and if she does I may
>> need a doctors certificate to prove she is ok health wise before we make
>> love. Of course that might offend her.
>>
>>
> And when you have kids, you give them free will and let them do what they
> want or do you have rules (10 commandments) that they must obey for their
> own good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8 nope I will let them make their
own mistakes and learn their own lessons. If they figure this stuff out on
their own they will actually want to be good people but if they are forced
to believe that they will rebel and never want to be good people. I know
someone who left her parents because they shoved their religion down her
throat.
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