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TOPIC: AVATAR'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 4:21 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Perhaps you are not the typical 13-to-17-year-old boy
that Cameron says Avatar targets for those things.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <7ecd7a91-b621-48f4-96e6-88ed637dd2ed@g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
LIBERATOR <nogeekluv@linuxmail.org> posted:
>
> I disagree Avatar did not do these things, but other movies do.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Avatar's Dirty Little Secret
> >
> > The SP Sula Review
> > Wednesday, February 10, 2010
> >
> > Aaah Avatar. The epic saga of evil colonialists savaging the peaceful
> > indigenous inhabitants of...oh hell, does it really matter? It's
> > white Americans and we should all feel guilty for the brutality
> > wrought upon the Native Americans, Mexicans, and/or slaves. And yes,
> > this includes all white people, even if your ancestors were not here
> > during any of those periods. You're guilty no matter what. You're
> > white. You're automatically a bigot.
> >
> > Or if you don't like the racist approach, you can go with the
> > plundering nature theme. That works just as well. The earth is
> > warming after all. Or is it cooling? That's right, it's cooling.
> > Wait. Can I use a lifeline for that one? Because honestly, I think
> > that's a trick question. Uh, you know what, I'm gonna go with the
> > earth is...spinning?
> >
> > The problem is, it's all about as real as that stick figure you're
> > looking at.
> >
> > I'm going to tell you a secret. A truth that James Cameron may come
> > to regret having unleashed into the world. But a truth nonetheless.
> > The secret? This film is not Dances with Wolves in space and the
> > imperialistic thematic underpinning is just window dressing; a hoax
> > to distract you from what this film really is.
> >
> > While perusing review sites online, I found something astonishingly
> > disturbing. Cameron spent 17 million dollars on one single aspect of
> > the film. No, it wasn't creating Pandora. No, it wasn't designing all
> > of the military technology. 17 million dollars was spent on
> > developing his alien's breasts. Now why would the man spend the
> > budget of a small city's government on the non-mammary glands of a
> > glorified CGI muppet? Because in his own words:
> >
> > "These breasts, they need to make every 13-to-17-year-old kid who
> > buys a ticket to this thing want to run home, still chubbed up from
> > having them bounce around his zit-pocked face for two hours in three
> > glorious dimensions, and touch himself with furious abandon. Then
> > come back the next day for another go-around." (Playboy Interview,
> > Nov 2009) [1]
> >
> > And that, my friends, is what this movie was really about. Selling
> > sex to children.
> >
> > To put it bluntly: Cameron wants your male child to spend the entire
> > film becoming aroused, go home with an erection, masturbate and then
> > come back to the theater and spend your money on another ticket so
> > that he can have another "go-around". Cameron was banking on these
> > sex organs to bring in repeat business. Does Cameron seriously intend
> > to turn theaters into the equivalent of under-aged strip joints? That
> > may be pushing it a little, but even he would tell you that 17
> > million was a small price to pay, considering this film has already
> > made 2 billion. Much of it, the very repeat business from the
> > children he spoke of and the result of his 17 million dollar
> > investment.
> >
> > Now, I know what some are thinking. I'm taking this quote out of
> > context (if that's possible). I'm twisting this whole situation so it
> > will fit into some convoluted narrative. Unfortunately, I'm not. In
> > this part of the interview, he openly admitted to giving his
> > imaginary aliens human sex organs, [2] ones that serve no legitimate
> > biological function. His sole purpose for doing this was titillation.
> > This, along with other wanton sexist declarations have become quite a
> > controversy across the web. Not to mention, there was the notorious
> > sex scene which was edited out. Cameron readily confessed he did this
> > so he wouldn't lose his PG-13 rating and that under-aged crowd he was
> > so ardently targeting. However, if this film was intended to be kid-
> > friendly, why was a sex scene [3] written into the script in the
> > first place? Unless he had planned to market sex to kids from the
> > very beginning.
> >
> > Avatar wasn't about slavery or Native Americans or the earth or
> > anything noble. It was about using those things as cover so that
> > James Cameron could make money off of the sexual arousal of children.
> > This is at best patently grotesque and at worst depraved and
> > perverse. When looking at this objectively, one must consider that
> > Cameron does, in fact, believe in the message of the film. And that,
> > perhaps, he took a horribly wrong turn in the selling of it. But, in
> > weighing the cavalier manner of his admissions, the calculation of
> > spending such an obscene amount of money for something so arbitrary,
> > and the intricate planning of sexual content, I concluded this was no
> > "wrong turn". I truly believe this man fully intended to do what he
> > did, because he saw a profit in doing so. I believe he didn't
> > consider that it was abusive because he is completely removed from
> > the accepted psychology that children are not, in fact, sexual
> > objects. And I believe that if confronted about his statements, he
> > will either lie, or simply won't care.
> >
> > Now, it's not that I'm naive or that I haven't noticed our children
> > are being targeted by these people in so many ways. But I have
> > nephews and I suppose this one hit home. Hard. I see men like James
> > Cameron and Roman Polanski profiting, while our children are
> > sexualized. Hollywood rails about global warming, while under the
> > table, they're hooks sink even deeper into our kids. And we still
> > haven't been able to change the dialog to a subject that actually
> > matters; like child trafficking or sexual predators. Of course, our
> > children don't actually rate concern in Hollywood unless a director
> > can make a buck off them.
> >
> > Maybe if parents started demanding refunds for their children's
> > tickets to this film, Hollywood might get the message. Although, I'm
> > guessing they will only raise their proverbial middle finger at us
> > and give Cameron the Oscar. After all, they did it for Polanski.
> >
> > Beth Haper
> > Editor
> >
> > Posted by The SP Sula Review on Wednesday, February 10, 2010
> >
> > [1] =A0http://www.movieline.com/2009/11/movieline-explores-james-camerons=
> -ex...
> > [2] =A0http://www.globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-a=
> vat...
> > [3] =A0http://gawker.com/5445955/if-avatars-sex-scene-was-cut-for-its-pg+=
> 13-...
> >
> > More at:http://thespsulareview.blogspot.com/2010/02/avatars-dirty-little-=
> secr...
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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TOPIC: PAKISTAN CAN BLOW UP BHARAT, CLAIMS A. Q. KHAN
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 4:49 pm
From: "harmony"
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100224CGXhMza549FhJFPL91pTcu0@C6P9D...
> In article <4b856417$0$12448$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Pak can blow up India: A.Q. Khan
>>
>> >
>> > The scientist rejected that he exported nuclear secrets to any
>> > country including Iran.
>> >
>> > "This was a drama created (former military ruler) Mr Pervez
>> > Musharraf. He is a liar and tried to falsely implicate me," the
>> > scientist said.
>> >
>> > "He should be tried under treason charges for levelling allegations
>> > on me," he added.
>> >
>> > Latest comments:
>> > . . .
>
>> the man speaks truth on this one: there was a conspiracy to shift the
>> blame
>> of govt+army of pakistan onto one individual, and bush administration was
>> complicit in that, and the u.s. media gave currency to that. it is
>> impossible that one guy can do all that proliferation acting alone; the
>> fact
>> is this guy was among the many govt officals who were fulfilling the
>> orders
>> and wishes of paki govt and army top decision makers.
>
> Why do you think that the US would enable
> the export of nuke secrets to N. Korea? Or
> are you saying that the Pakis did it but the
> US helped to cover it up, shifting the blame
> on to one individual?
>
yes, the latter. as you have said paki army is for hire. it was thought
expedient, but wrongly, to make use of paki army by giving it all that it
asked to go after the bad guys who couldn't have been bad without paki army
in the first place. the real culprit and the real problem is the paki army
the whole raison detre for terror..
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 5:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <4b85c929$0$12439$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > In article <4b856417$0$12448$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>
> >> > Pak can blow up India: A.Q. Khan
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The scientist rejected that he exported nuclear secrets to any
> >> > country including Iran.
> >> >
> >> > "This was a drama created (former military ruler) Mr Pervez
> >> > Musharraf. He is a liar and tried to falsely implicate me," the
> >> > scientist said.
> >> >
> >> > "He should be tried under treason charges for levelling allegations
> >> > on me," he added.
> >> >
> >> > Latest comments:
> >> the man speaks truth on this one: there was a conspiracy to shift the
> >> blame
> >> of govt+army of pakistan onto one individual, and bush administration was
> >> complicit in that, and the u.s. media gave currency to that. it is
> >> impossible that one guy can do all that proliferation acting alone; the
> >> fact
> >> is this guy was among the many govt officals who were fulfilling the
> >> orders
> >> and wishes of paki govt and army top decision makers.
> > Why do you think that the US would enable
> > the export of nuke secrets to N. Korea? Or
> > are you saying that the Pakis did it but the
> > US helped to cover it up, shifting the blame
> > on to one individual?
> yes, the latter. as you have said paki army is for hire. it was thought
> expedient, but wrongly, to make use of paki army by giving it all that it
> asked to go after the bad guys who couldn't have been bad without paki army
> in the first place. the real culprit and the real problem is the paki army
> the whole raison detre for terror..
I agree. A time will come when the West-think about the Paki army+ISI will
change from "necessary evil" to "unnecessary" and "disposable".
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 5:12 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead aka the
abominable asstrolloger wrote:
> In article <4b85c929$0$12439$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmonkey" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>> Jay Maharaj posted:
>
>>> In article <4b856417$0$12448$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
>>> "harmonkey" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>>>> Jay Maharaj posted:
>>>>
[....]
>
>>> Why do you think that the US would enable
>>> the export of nuke secrets to N. Korea? Or
>>> are you saying that the Pakis did it but the
>>> US helped to cover it up, shifting the blame
>>> on to one individual?
>
>> yes, the latter. as you have said paki army is for hire. it was thought
>> expedient, but wrongly, to make use of paki army by giving it all that it
>> asked to go after the bad guys who couldn't have been bad without paki army
>> in the first place. the real culprit and the real problem is the paki army
>> the whole raison detre for terror..
>
> I agree. A time will come when the West-think about the Paki army+ISI will
> change from "necessary evil" to "unnecessary" and "disposable".
How's that India-Pakistan reunification prediction thingy going for ya, Jay?
"Based on one of mankind's most time-tested sciences, Jyotish,
(_no experimentation here_!) the India-Pakistan reunification
should occur on our about July 26, 2000 (the date of the final
signing of the pact.)"
From: Jai Maharaj (cy717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Subject: India-Pakistan Unification
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: 1993-04-18 13:24:50 PST
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TOPIC: My name is Khan and I'm not a terrorist but
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 4:59 pm
From: shady shrif
Hi all,
I watched the file and i is tried to give us the real picture of islam
yes there are terrorists in islam but also there are Terrorists and
mafias allover the world.
so please try to watch it i will give you new look the world because
muslims is 1,3 billion if all of them are Terrorists is think the
world should be ended from thousands years ago.
watch it and please don't try to close your mind
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TOPIC: Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
Islam
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 5:36 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <6392fff1-cfe4-44f1-8b32-caf4918dbe60@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > In article <6tydncjryI_jBBnWnZ2dnUVZ_q2dn...@westnet.com.au>,
> > =EF=BF=BD"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> posted:
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > > In article <htudnaLM_tmc-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdn...@westnet.com.au>,
> > > > "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > > >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
> >
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>=
> ,
> > > >> > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
> >
> > > >> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert =
> to
> > > >> >> Islam
> >
> > > =EF=BF=BDhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
> >
> > > >> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > > >> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > > >> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > > >> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >
> > > >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > >> Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would =
> like
> > > >> to
> > > >> join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate =
> gay
> > > >> people.
> >
> > > > I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> > > > I am a Hindu.
> > > But you hate gay people. Your previous posts clearly show that.
> > No, I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> > I am a Hindu. =EF=BF=BDAnd if you publish your false accusation again,
> > and if I see it, I'll deny it again. - Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> You are so right. Hindus do not hate, and they do not convert -- they
> respect all religions.
> Dhanyavaad !
You are welcome. I recommend that terrorist religions, philosophies and ways of
life be condemned and eradicated.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 5:49 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <4b856b07$0$12430$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>
> "Bob Hawke" <bobhawke@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:4b846565$0$10808$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:be1c87fd-3d97-498c-a68d-de1f1cf76f1d@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 24, 7:55 am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >> <use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> >> messagenews:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
> >>
> >> > In article
> >> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
> >>
> >> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
> >> >> Islam
> >>
> >> >>http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
> >>
> >> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> >> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> >> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> >> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >> > - Jai Maharaj
> >> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> >> Hindus"?
> > What's your point?
> > That all muslims are evil because of one incident?
> >
> > carole
> > One INCIDENT! Read the contents of this web site which has been collated.
> > It only documents just a few instances. ISLAM is a SICK CULT NOT A
> > RELIGION.
> >
> > No religion in the modern world has allowed or promoted TERRORISM - Islam
> > has.
> >
> > http://www.targetofopportunity.com/islam.htm
> >
> > The bottom line is that 80% of Australians don't want any more of this
> > SHIT coming here and those who arrived here by false pretenses deported.
> no, no no. islam, aka mohamdism, is indeed a religion.
> actually all monotheism are religions; and they are sick, have been sick and
> will always be sick.
A post from a few years ago:
Forwarded message from Dr. Rabinder K. Koul
[ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007
IS SANATAN DHARM A MONOTHEIST RELIGION?
Non-Dualist/ Monistic, Monotheism and the Polytheism
By Rabinder Kumar Koul
Very often limitations of our language bind us and cannot let us see
beyond these limitations. The Judeo-Christian- Islamic traditions are
bound by these inner constructs. They can only classify the world's
spiritual traditions in to Monotheistic and polytheistic traditions.
These are the blinders put on them by the nature of their discourse.
This classification is not broad enough to encompass the non-Judeo-
Christian-Islamic traditions. This classification is thrust on the
Judeo-Christian- Islamic traditions because they posit two separate
class of realities. First one of these two realities is called God,
and the other realities are every thing else "that is", and is
different from God. In general, God creates these from no-where and
can vanquish these in to non-existence. There is no connection
between the nature of the God and the nature of the other realities.
Thus, Judeo-Christian reality is of many kinds. There is God, then
there are angles, then there are Men, women, then beasts and then in-
animate things. All of these are distinct from each other and are
fundamentally different in Judeo-Christian- Islamic worldviews. Such
a model of the reality is called the Polyistic model of the reality.
God is just one category of reality in their worldview (even though
highest) but in existence are many different kinds of realities,
completely dis-jointed from each other in a fundamental way. In other
words, the Judeo-Christian- Islamic view of the reality is a
collection of distinct and un-connected realities, which are
fundamentally different in Character from each other. Looking from
this perspective, their reality view is Polyistic worldview. Also
note that these traditions have no basis of substantiating their
first category of reality they call God/Allah etc. while living.
Therefore, the system is not only Polyistic but also, only a faith.
I.e. Ask no questions and I will tell you no lies.
On the other hand, the scientific worldview as propounded by the
modern Physics is Non-dualistic worldview. Based on the experimental
observations and the internal consistency arguments, it claims that
there exists one fundamental reality (principal) from which both the
space-time and matter along with their dynamics arises. This eventual
reality (principal), call it Grand-unified- Quantum-Gravitat ional
reality, is what is hinted at by the modern Physics. Even though this
ultimate description is not with us currently, but we have a large
portion of it already at hand. The success of the modern physics is
testimony to that. Thus modern physics emphasizes that the ultimate
reality is one from which all else comes forth and that all else is
fundamentally tied to this underlying existent through dynamics with
some symmetry breaking/phase transition processes. The diversity of
the states of mater and the geometry of the space-time arises out of
this principal by some symmetry breaking principals inherently
contained in the theory. This Scientific view of reality is Non-
dualistic fundamentally at variance from the Judeo-Christian Islamic
worldview. Even though an conscious observer plays a fundamental part
in the outcomes of an experiments of this theory, there is no
explicit explanation or incorporation of the main characteristic of
observer, namely its consciousness/ awareness aspect in to the
theory. However Non-dualistic world view rules.
Indian traditions cannot be captured by the classification categories
of the Monotheistic and polytheistic categories. Because, this
classification ignores the reality (existence) as a whole and is
focused only on the category called God (Which is considered purely
an issue of faith). Indian traditions on the other hand considers all
existent reality as a whole, no aspect of which can be ignored, and
has a strong emphasis on the experiential component. Thus the
monotheistic and the polytheistic classification can not capture the
Indian notion of existent/"Sata"
Indian traditions also provide a classification scheme which is broad
enough to capture all views of reality, be it Judeo-Christian-
Islamic, Indian, or Modern Scientific traditions. This reality
classification scheme is given as
o Non-Dualistic Reality: It has two possibilities as given below.
o No-Reality (Nihilistic view)
o Non-dualistic (Monistic) View (There is only one reality and
every thing else arises from it)
o Dualistic Reality: There are at least two distinct realities o
Polyistic Reality: There are many distinct realities
Indian Vedic, Agamic/Tantric, Budhist, Jaina and Sikh traditions are
all fall in to one of these as shown below.
Non-Dual Tradition
No-reality Exists Budhism / Jainism
One reality Exists Advaitic Traditions / Modern Scientific view
Dualistic traditions Nyaya/Yoga/Vaishish kA/Dvaita Shiva, Vaishnava
Traditions/ Sikhism
Polyistic Tradition Sankhya/ Judeo-Christian- Islam
Even though Advaitic traditions posit only one kind of reality, there
is more than one variety of Advaita. The difference is in the
details. The consciousness plays a central role in the Advaitic
traditions of India and every thing else eventually is shown either
to be evolutes from it or only an appearance. Hence it also
incorporates the aspect of Consciousness which Modern physics does
not address even though it plays a central role as an observer. This
part is on-going work in Physics. In Advaitic traditions too, in my
perspective a modern understanding of the evolutes of the TatvAs have
to be better understood. That is a different story.
Connection to Polytheism: Let me address this from the non-dualistic
point of view. In Advaitic SivA, the ultimate reality becomes all
different names and forms. Thus, all form are equally sanctified and
sacred and worthy of worship. (That is why we greet by saying
NamaskAra). Here in lay the true roots of, what is called,
Polytheism. Notice, even here when one worships no aspect of the
existence is ignored. The Polytheism arises directly from the deep
experience of the non-dualistic tradition. Monotheistic tradition
falls far short of that and is completely oblivious towards the
nature of all other existent reality. In fact, it is in direct
contradiction of the messages from the modern physics since it
considers all different existents as de-separate.
On the other hand, if that non-dual reality posits reality as
appearance only, then the foundation of this appearance of the form
is the one ultimate reality in that form. In that case, one is always
worshiping that ultimate principal in a given form.
Therefore the attempts to show that Hinduism is monotheistic are
misplaced, for its roots lay far deeper experiential ideals, and
deals with the reality as a whole. For Non-dualistic traditions may
contain (but not necessarily) the monotheistic aspect but in reality
transcends it. The attempt to show otherwise is indicative of mis-
understanding of Indian traditions.
Ravindra
End of forwarded message from Rabinder K. Koul
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 7:21 pm
From: "Doug"
"carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:be1c87fd-3d97-498c-a68d-de1f1cf76f1d@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 24, 7:55 am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> <use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> messagenews:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
>
> > In article
> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>
> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
> >> Islam
>
> >>http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
>
> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>
> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> Hindus"?
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
What's your point?
That all muslims are evil because of one incident?
carole
www.conspiracee.com
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"One incident"? You're an idiot.
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TOPIC: VICTIMS OF ISLAMIC BIGOTRY
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 7:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Victims of Islamic bigotry
By Anuradha Dutt
Op-Ed
The Pioneer
Thursday, February 25, 2010
The beheading of Sikhs in Pakistan and the assault on a temple at
Sonargaon in Bangladesh point towards the plight of non-Muslims in
Muslim majority countries. The situation is clearly intolerable and
India must exercise its moral authority to come to the aid of
innocent victims
Even as political parties that nurture minority (read Muslim) vote-
banks prepare to grant further privileges to the community under the
guise of alleviating social and economic backwardness, and lakhs of
illegal Bangladeshi Muslim immigrants procure property and voting
rights, one just needs to look across India's western and eastern
flanks to ascertain how Sikh and Hindu minorities in Muslim majority
nations are being persecuted. In the latest of a series of communal
assaults on them, two Sikhs were beheaded by the Pakistani Taliban
for their reported failure to convert to Islam. A grief-stricken
Taranjit Singh, cousin of Jaspal Singh, one of the decapitated men,
praised Jaspal for choosing martyrdom over the ignominy of forced
conversion. The other reason cited for the decapitation is the
deadline having passed for payment of ransom of Rs 3 crore to the
abductors. Two other Sikhs are still in the Taliban's captivity.
In Bangladesh, on February 6, a gang of men, 30-35 in number,
vandalised the Sonargaon temple, an ancient Hindu pilgrimage in
Narayanganj district, and damaged six idols. The supposedly secular
Indian intelligentsia and media, which suffered an apoplectic fit as
a result of the Babri Masjid demolition, largely ignored the assault.
Neither did Right-wing groups, posing as custodians of Hindu
interests, bother to raise the issue. Yet, to dreg up the past, the
Muslim backlash to the Babri Masjid demolition on December 6, 1992
was marked by the ancient Dhakeshwari shaktipeeth in Dhaka being
vandalised and Hindus being butchered; and over a hundred shrines,
including those of Jains and Sikhs, being damaged in Pakistan, and a
Jain temple being razed. In Britain, a temple was razed by a vengeful
mob, and gurudwaras and Hindu shrines attacked. Muslim expatriates
from the subcontinent attacked the Indian Embassy at Teheran, and
rose in protest in Arab countries though Arabs themselves observed
restraint.
The assault on the Sonargaon shrine as well as the beheading simply
draws attention to the plight of non-Muslims in regions, where
Islamic bigotry has reared up in a ferocious avatar. Under the
previous Bangladesh Government, reports of snatching of land, owned
by Hindus, were common; and majority of rape cases were registered by
Hindu women. Such persecution forced many Hindus to flee their homes
and seek refuge here. In Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the
Taliban's writ runs, besides Sikhs and Hindus, minority Christians
too are on the run from marauders, criminals and fanatics, posing as
the true flag-bearers of Islam. They are being forced to pay jizya,
protection money or survival tax, in order to ensure their safety, to
extortionists. In Iraq, too, according to reports, Christian families
are being coerced by gun-toting men to pay jizya or leave.
The poll tax levied on non-Muslims in Muslim countries in exchange
for state protection draws sanction from the Quran (Al-Tawbah 9:29).
The imposition of jizya and the accompanying violence in lawless
areas is a throwback to the past, when crusading Islamic conquerors
subjugated 'infidel natives' either on the point of the sword via
forced conversions or spared their lives in exchange for the payment
of protection money:
"Summon the people to god; those who respond to your call, accept it
from them, but those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of
humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword
without leniency. Fear god with regard to what you have been
entrusted." (Al Tabari, Volume XII)
Umar ibn al-Khattab during the conquest of al-Basrah (636 CE)
The conquest of Sindh by Muhammed Bin Qasim in the early 8th century
AD led to imposition of jizya on Hindu and Buddhist natives. In
return, they were free to follow their own religions. This set the
precedent for some of the Islamic rulers who followed him into India.
The empire-builders among them, the Mughals, alternated between
Islamic severity and kingly graciousness in their treatment of non-
Muslims. However, the Sikhs, as a militant sect, came into conflict
with them. Emperors Jahangir and Aurangzeb clashed with two of the
Sikh gurus Arjan Dev and Tegh Bahadur, respectively, and had them put
to death. The four sons and mother of Guru Govind Singh, the last in
the line, were also martyred for resisting imposition of Islam, as
were thousands of others. The differentiation between Muslims and
infidels often owed to political compulsions.
But such intolerance is an anachronism in today's rapidly shrinking
world. There are ulterior motives behind religious bigotry. Hugh
Fitzgerald, of JihadWatch, states on his internet site DhimmiWatch:
"Elsewhere, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Hindus and Christians
live in a state of permanent physical danger, and that danger also is
one of losing their property to Muslim looters and marauders who
cannot be sued or brought to justice on the say-so of a non-Muslim...
There is no security for the property of non-Muslims in Muslim lands,
and there are various ways in which the 'protection money' that is
the jizya is paid...".
Religious bigotry is thus also a convenient pretext for extortion and
grabbing minorities' property, and making them abandon their homes.
http://dailypioneer.com/238429/Victims-of-Islamic-bigotry.html
More at:
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: GRAVE BLUNDER TO TALK TO PAKISTAN
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 7:48 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Grave blunder to talk to Pakistan
By Shobori Ganguli
Editorial
The Pioneer
Thursday, February 25, 2010
By the time this appears in print, India will have committed its
second worst diplomatic blunder of this decade, the first of course
being the shameful India-Pakistan Agra Summit of 2001. Today, the
Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan will sit across the table
to talk about talks. Resumed at India's behest, a fact Pakistan is
justly gloating about, the meeting is intended to address New Delhi's
terror concerns.
However, it is nothing short of a grave blunder to sit across the
negotiating table with a country that displays no intention of
revising its intransigent reluctance to address India's concerns over
repeated acts of terror, the latest as recent as the February 13 Pune
blast. Admittedly, Pakistan cannot be faulted with in this 'talks'
initiative. True to character, it has obdurately refused to honour
even a single demand placed by India on the table following the
deplorable 26/11 attacks on Mumbai. Rogue to the core, it has
systematically flouted every rule of diplomacy and good neighbourly
conduct since 1947. It has talked Kashmir each time India has
screamed terror. The 26/11 perpetrators, their predecessors and
successors, continue to breathe free and spew anti-India venom from
across the border. Yet, we are made to witness India's shocking
decision to invite an unreformed Pakistan for talks.
India's regrettable haste in this latest dialogue initiative is
indeed inexplicable. After all, 26/11 was cited as the proverbial
last straw that led to suspension of talks in the first place. What
then has changed in the interim for the two countries to resume
dialogue? If at all, there has been yet another heinous terror attack
in Pune that has claimed 16 lives, mostly innocent students, an
inhuman act that the Pakistan-based Jamaat-ud-Dawa'h has openly
claimed prior knowledge of. Further, Sikhs are being mercilessly
beheaded by the Taliban in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province.
Amid all this, India seems to be mindlessly ceding its bargaining
options, one by one, to Pakistan. This was strongly underlined when,
under obvious US pressure, it revised its post-26/11 'no talks'
stand. Given India's grave security concerns, such pressure ought to
have been firmly resisted. On the contrary, New Delhi now seems to be
of the startling opinion that the best way to get Islamabad to act on
terror is to actually start talking again.
Arguably, this premise could be defended. After all, there is no
point in alienating a neighbour to the extent that it turns
completely deaf to our genuine concerns; talking could perhaps drill
some sense into that country's establishment. However, there is an
existent ground reality in Pakistan which India seems to have
shockingly lost sight of. From the day it first made the offer of
talks, several Pakistani voices, jihadi and official alike, have
suddenly started talking about all "outstanding issues" as the basis
for resumption of dialogue. Much as New Delhi may delude itself into
thinking that today's Foreign Secretary level talks are going to be
solely dedicated to terror, statements emanating from Pakistan
indicate that "all issues of concern to both" is what they have in
mind.
To that end, certain goalposts are being unilaterally shifted by
Pakistan even as India stands a mute spectator. All of a sudden there
is intense clamour in Pakistan about India's "water terrorism", with
former Information Minister Mohammed Ali Durrani going to the extent
of threatening that "the water issue could prove to be a nuclear
flashpoint between the neighbours". Urging global intervention, he
says India's "hegemonic" behaviour could "ignite a nuclear war".
Aware that Kashmir alone cannot fetch Pakistan global sympathy any
longer and also that there is growing domestic unrest over the water
issue, the Pakistani establishment is now playing its age-old
diversionary games, hitherto restricted to Kashmir. Pakistan Foreign
Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has categorically said that during
talks with India, more "tangible issues" like the water dispute would
take precedence over Kashmir.
Even as the Pakistani establishment is visibly and audibly pushing
the hard line, the jihadis are posting macabre messages India's way.
If JuD chief Hafiz Saeed screams, "Ek Bombay kya hota hai (One Mumbai
is not enough)", his deputy Abdur Rehman Makki asserts, "Muslims
dying of thirst would drink blood of India". Makki's views are not
significantly different from the official Pakistani line, Prime
Minister downwards, that says India wants to destroy Pakistan by
cutting off its water, that it is turning Pakistan into a desert and
will starve it to death. Suddenly, water is a 'core' bilateral issue,
a definition hitherto reserved for Kashmir. Shockingly, the
terrorists, in sync with the establishment, have moved beyond
Kashmir, vowing to unleash jihad on India in the name of water. With
this declaration coming only days ahead of talks, and the Pakistani
establishment doing precious little to curb such diabolism, India
should have ideally demanded a clear statement of intent from
Pakistan before resuming talks.
Predictably, Pakistan is once again putting on the shameless and
baseless 'terror victim' act. Mr Qureshi has said, "If their concerns
are about Hafiz Saeed and Mumbai attacks, let them put it on the
table. If we've concerns about Balochistan, let us put it on the
table." Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir says raising the
Hafiz Saeed issue would be "counter-productive" and that if counter-
terrorism is indeed raised Balochistan must find mention. Déjà vu,
indeed: The ignominy at Sharm el-Sheikh last July when Balochistan
first became part of an India-Pakistan joint statement is still fresh
in public memory. Mr Qureshi has, in fact, warned that, "We should
de-link negotiations from such acts (of terror). There are such acts
taking place in Pakistan. We're victims of terrorism. At times,
foreign nationals are involved in these acts in Pakistan. Does it
mean that we should cut ties with those countries?" No prizes for
guessing which "countries" he is talking about. So much for
Pakistan's self-declared "constructive" approach.
With the jihadis' recalcitrance matching that of the Pakistani
establishment's, there is very little by way of forward movement that
India can hope for through talks. One is, therefore, amazed at the
Manmohan Singh Government's sudden willingness to talk to a country
that is literally holding the gun to India's head even as its Home
Minister refuses to negotiate with the Maoists at home till they
abjure violence. Surely, what stands to reason for internal security
cannot significantly alter when it comes to national security? Last
heard, there was firing by Pakistani troops at Indian soldiers in
Jammu's Samba sector, only hours ahead of the talks!
http://dailypioneer.com/238473/Grave-blunder-to-talk-to-Pakistan.html
More at:
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: UK RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS FORCED TO PROMOTE ABORTION, HOMOSEXUALITY UNDER
SEX-ED BILL
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:26 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>>>>> In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being
>>>>>> promoted, they are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that
>>>>>> doesn't matter to gay bashers like you.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am not a hater;
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you most certainly are.
>>>
>>> Homosexual agenda in action.
>>
>> And there's that hate.
>
>It is not `hatefull' to accept Homosexuals are intelligent and
>organised sufficiently to do what they can to make their lifestyle
>less abnormal.
And there's more of that hate. The bigot thinks that anyone who
doesn't accept the cult's hate must be "abnormal".
>>> Make unsubstantiated attacks against the anti Homosexual individual.
>>
>> Such as fabricating some "homosexual agenda"?
>
>You don't accept Homosexuals are intelligent and
I don't accept your bigotry.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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