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TOPIC: sociopath Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:23 pm
From: Franz Gnaedinger

Dusan, where are you?

> Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
> rid of Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
> call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
> on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
> Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
> his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
> community, his pretended compassion for abused
> children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
> pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
> and he coldly calculates that he can find them
> among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
> to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
> he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
> and find out what he really has in mind.
>
> > Jay Stevens who calls himself Jai Maharaj and
> > adorns his false name with a false title pretends
> > to engage himself for the Hindu community
> > while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
> > of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
> > prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
> > in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
> > scheme of turning the misery of other people into
> > money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
> > gives him the right to ruin sci.lang. Jay Stevens
> > aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
> > and a cancer combined.
>
> > > That sociopath Jay Stevens who calls himself
> > > Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
> > > title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
> > > threads presently on the first page of the topics list
> > > 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
> > > say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
> > > My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
> > > community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
> > > mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
> > > I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
> > > to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
> > > Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
> > > felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
> > > Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
> > > years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
> > > of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
> > > that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
> > > of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
> > > in these matters, my messages will be read again,
> > > and I can tell for sure that Jay Steves who is at present
> > > carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
> > > sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
> > > for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
> > > superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
> > > business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
> > > but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
> > > a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
> > > is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
> > > and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
> > > and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
> > > No, that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
> > > care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
> > > from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>
> > > > A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
> > > > particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
> > > > using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
> > > > pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
> > > > while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
> > > > for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
> > > > an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
> > > > sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
> > > > namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
> > > > Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
> > > > Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
> > > > own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
> > > > alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
> > > > stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
> > > > alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
> > > > alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
> > > > discovered the origin of language alias he himself
> > > > as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>
> > > > > > That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
> > > > > > trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
> > > > > > his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
> > > > > > around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
> > > > > > the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
> > > > > > calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
> > > > > > ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
> > > > > > a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
> > > > > > creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
> > > > > > sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
> > > > > > for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
> > > > > > the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
> > > > > > among those people he apparently believes are especially
> > > > > > prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
> > > > > > target of his astrological enterprise.
>
> > > > > On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
> > > > > abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
> > > > > often with messages on child abuse by Christian
> > > > > missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
> > > > > and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
> > > > > against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
> > > > > against his spamming you are revealed as someone
> > > > > who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
> > > > > nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
> > > > > instead, belonging to the accused western world,
> > > > > we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
> > > > > allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
> > > > > forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
> > > > > against every religious propaganda in here, also
> > > > > Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
> > > > > quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
> > > > > by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
> > > > > people do, how they live, what example they give.
> > > > > And most of all I write against child abuse and child
> > > > > pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
> > > > > based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
> > > > > A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
> > > > > top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
> > > > > that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
> > > > > these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
> > > > > accusations of that false doctor of the false name
> > > > > and his cynic calculation that he can make money
> > > > > out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
> > > > > community while all he has in mind is to catch
> > > > > new customers for his astrological enteprise.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 4:30 am
From: johnk

On Feb 12, 1:23 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> Dusan, where are you?
>
> > Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
> > rid of Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
> > call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
> > on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
> > Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
> > his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
> > community, his pretended compassion for abused
> > children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
> > pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
> > and he coldly calculates that he can find them
> > among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
> > to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
> > he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
> > and find out what he really has in mind.
>
> > > Jay Stevens who calls himself Jai Maharaj and
> > > adorns his false name with a false title pretends
> > > to engage himself for the Hindu community
> > > while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
> > > of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
> > > prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
> > > in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
> > > scheme of turning the misery of other people into
> > > money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
> > > gives him the right to ruin sci.lang. Jay Stevens
> > > aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
> > > and a cancer combined.
>
> > > > That sociopath Jay Stevens who calls himself
> > > > Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
> > > > title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
> > > > threads presently on the first page of the topics list
> > > > 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
> > > > say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
> > > > My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
> > > > community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
> > > > mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
> > > > I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
> > > > to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
> > > > Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
> > > > felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
> > > > Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
> > > > years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
> > > > of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
> > > > that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
> > > > of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
> > > > in these matters, my messages will be read again,
> > > > and I can tell for sure that Jay Steves who is at present
> > > > carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
> > > > sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
> > > > for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
> > > > superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
> > > > business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
> > > > but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
> > > > a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
> > > > is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
> > > > and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
> > > > and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
> > > > No, that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
> > > > care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
> > > > from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>
> > > > > A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
> > > > > particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
> > > > > using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
> > > > > pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
> > > > > while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
> > > > > for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
> > > > > an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
> > > > > sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
> > > > > namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
> > > > > Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
> > > > > Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
> > > > > own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
> > > > > alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
> > > > > stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
> > > > > alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
> > > > > alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
> > > > > discovered the origin of language alias he himself
> > > > > as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>
> > > > > > > That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
> > > > > > > trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
> > > > > > > his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
> > > > > > > around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
> > > > > > > the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
> > > > > > > calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
> > > > > > > ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
> > > > > > > a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
> > > > > > > creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
> > > > > > > sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > > sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
> > > > > > > for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
> > > > > > > the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
> > > > > > > among those people he apparently believes are especially
> > > > > > > prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
> > > > > > > target of his astrological enterprise.
>
> > > > > > On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
> > > > > > abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
> > > > > > often with messages on child abuse by Christian
> > > > > > missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
> > > > > > and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
> > > > > > against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
> > > > > > against his spamming you are revealed as someone
> > > > > > who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
> > > > > > nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
> > > > > > instead, belonging to the accused western world,
> > > > > > we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
> > > > > > allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
> > > > > > forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
> > > > > > against every religious propaganda in here, also
> > > > > > Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
> > > > > > quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
> > > > > > by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
> > > > > > people do, how they live, what example they give.
> > > > > > And most of all I write against child abuse and child
> > > > > > pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
> > > > > > based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
> > > > > > A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
> > > > > > top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
> > > > > > that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
> > > > > > these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
> > > > > > accusations of that false doctor of the false name
> > > > > > and his cynic calculation that he can make money
> > > > > > out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
> > > > > > community while all he has in mind is to catch
> > > > > > new customers for his astrological enteprise

This thread of Dr. J's would be long gone if not for some idiot who
keeps bringing it back. Igonore his threads. He types headers in all
caps so his posts are easy to see and ignore......unlike other trolls.

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TOPIC: Indian IT market to grow at 15.5 percent in 2010
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 4:54 am
From: "Torpedo"

...India has enough call centers to talk to the internal and external
customers.

"Cormac" <cormac.bradaigh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0e52b14-671d-48da-b194-78fccaa19e2e@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 5:43 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> i am afraid the world will have to learn to speak english the hindu way.
>

India is being undermined by serious caste and social problems. Maoist
terrorism is spreading and the Muslim threat continues.

Cormac.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 3:41 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

The world had better speak the Bharatiya way also, it already
speaks every which way. The other day an Australian who is visiting
Hawaii, USA couldn't express himself to the Samoan cab driver and the
cab went away without picking him up.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b74ea74$0$12445$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> i am afraid the world will have to learn to speak english the hindu way.
>
> Indian IT market to grow at 15.5 percent in 2010
> By siliconindia news bureau
> Monday,08 February 2010, 02:58 hrs
>
> New Delhi: The Indian IT market is expected to return to a 'new normal'
> after last year's turbulent economic environment, supported by financial
> stability, investor confidence, government initiatives and a shift towards a
> competitive and customer-oriented market structure. Springboard Research
> predicts that Indian IT Market is set to grow at around 15.5 percent for the
> year 2010.
>
> Springboard observed a noticeable shift in enterprise IT spending from
> focusing on new investments to streamlining costs and improving internal
> efficiencies. "Organizations are likely to initiate new large?scale projects
> that require significant IT infrastructure related investments," said Manish
> Bahl, Research Manager at Springboard Research. "With the CIOs primarily
> focused on allocating around 75 percent of their budgets to 'keep the lights
> on,' there is great interest in cost-cutting measures."
>
> According to Springboard's latest executive brief release, "India IT Market
> Predictions 2010," Data center transformations, IT manageability
> advancements, SaaS and virtualization investments are also helping companies
> drive 'economies of scale' by reducing operational expenditures, both from
> the business and IT perspective, while increasing productivity.
>
>

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TOPIC: SOME CONTRIBUTIONS OF HINDUS TO THE HUMAN CIVILIZATION
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/90ae30ce0d33f5da?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:18 am
From: hari.kumar@indero.com

"I am a Bharatiya, born in U.P., and a native Hindi speaker. But with
the attitude you are displaying, I doubt if any native Hindi speaker
will teach you the language."

Oh dear, jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. we fear you protest too much.

There is that small item of the outstanding invitation, to now refused,
for you to accept a call from a real indian to test your language
claims.

All other claims need not be tested if the predicted outcome is found.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 2:41 am
From: Hunter

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> In article <hl27as$vc1$8@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>> I'd teach Hindi to him
>
>> No you wouldn't. If I was interested in learning Hindi, I'd find an
>> Indian to teach me, not a stateless parasite toe-rag like yourself or
>> your boyfriend harmony.
>
> I am a Bharatiya, born in U.P.

No, you're a yank living in Hawaii, where you first crapped is irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Australian safe workplace ethics
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/842f7b1e22af3c03?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 2:43 am
From: Hunter

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> In article <hl27aj$vc1$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>> Is this hunter a Christian missionary?
>
>> I'm about as Christian as you are Indian.
>
> Then you are very much a Christian because I am very much a Bharatiya.

Hahaha you're a fucking liar. I'm about the furthest thing from one of
you religious loons, and you don't even remember what it is to be
Indian. You're a parasite sucking blood from the western world, you've
forsaken India and despise the place you live, and despise yourself for
being so weak that you have to live there, cos you could never make it
in India as a REAL Indian.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 2:47 am
From: Hunter

harmony wrote:
> young kids in india

Was wondering when you'd get back to peddling your wares like you were
caught out doing a few years ago. Tell me, why don't you ever tell
people when you're peddling your extremist religious propaganda about
the pedophile shops you and jai run in Goa to fund your terrorist group???

Oh dear, don't you want people knowing the truth about you Hindutva
lunatic immoral scumbags and how you fund your operations?

Hint for everyone, look up the truth about Devadasi in India today.
Child prostitution under the guise of religion in many cases where the
law turns a blind eye, and harmony has happily admitted to
"administering" a couple of these so-called "temples" at great profit.

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TOPIC: Maha Shivaratri Greetings!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a43652edf4a2cd4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 9:10 am
From: Mega

In article <4b74eaea$0$12463$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> OM NAMAH SHIVAYA.
>
>
> <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> message news:20100211XEH8C45pY5jQ1VN8oI1Ft7l@O14m5...
> > Maha Shivaratri Greetings!
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti

Zzzz.

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TOPIC: OT: My name is Khan and i always win
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/893b0cec5188a366?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 9:48 am
From: Don speaks the truth

A big thumbs down to Hooliganism and big Thumbs up to People Power!
India wins in the end.

Don

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 2:09 pm
From: Suresh K S

On Feb 12, 12:48 pm, Don speaks the truth <don200...@rediffmail.com>
wrote:
> A big thumbs down to Hooliganism and big Thumbs up to People Power!
> India wins in the end.
>
> Don

> India wins in the end.

Especially when it plays against India.

Suresh

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TOPIC: CHILD SEXUALLY MOLESTED AT CHRISTIAN CAMP; FAMILY SUES
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/b19f29b6b7a629a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:08 am
From: habshi@anony.net

JAI IS A VERY VERY SICK MAN FLOODING ALL THESE NGS WITH CHILD SEX
ABUSE CASES.

TAKE THEM TO SCI.MED AND STOP BEING A PEST

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TOPIC: POLICE INVESTIGATE YET ANOTHER CHRISTIAN PRIEST FOR SEX CRIMES
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a4386374b29a600f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 12:57 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

'Abuse allegation' against Down and Connor priest

BBC
Friday, February 12, 2010

The priest has stepped aside voluntarily during the investigation

A Catholic diocese in Northern Ireland has confirmed that one of its
priests has voluntarily stepped aside while police investigate an
abuse allegation.

In a statement, Down and Connor Diocese said it was "aware of an
allegation against a priest relating to the early 1970s".

It added that the priest denies the allegation.

It is understood the priest who has stepped aside is Father Sean
Cahill who had been working in Castlewellan.

The diocese said it was "cooperating fully with the police from the
public protection unit and social services in accordance with the
inter-agency forum for the sharing of information".

"The diocese, as is its practise in such cases, has put into effect
child safeguarding measures approved by the inter-agency forum and
with the full cooperation of the priest.

"Because the matter is being investigated by the civil authorities it
would be inappropriate for the diocese to comment further," the
statement said.

More at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8513334.stm

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: CHRISTIAN PRIEST REMOVED FOR POSSESSING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 1:02 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Summary - A priest has been removed from office for allegedly
possessing child pornography. Erich Habitzl, spokesman for the
Wierner Neustadt prosecutor's office, said the priest is under
investigation by Section 207a (pronographic images of minors),
paragraph 3 STGB. The pornography was found during a house search.

Ermittlungen gegen Pfarrer wegen Kinderpornos

Voralberg Online
Friday, February 12, 2010

Gegen den Pfarrer wird nach Paragraf 207a (Pornografische Darstellung
Minderjähriger) ermittelt

Die Sicherheits- und Justizbehörden ermitteln nach Angaben der
Erzdiözese Wien gegen einen niederösterreichischen Pfarrer im
Vikariat Unter dem Wienerwald wegen des Besitzes und der Weitergabe
von elektronisch aufbereiteten kinderpornografischen Darstellungen.

Der Geistliche sei von seinen Ämtern abgezogen worden, hieß es am
Donnerstagabend. Am Freitag bestätigte Erich Habitzl, Sprecher der
Staatsanwaltschaft Wiener Neustadt, dass gegen den Pfarrer nach
Paragraf 207a (Pornografische Darstellungen Minderjähriger) Abs. 3
StGB ermittelt wird. Das Verfahren ist laut Habitzl seit 14. Jänner
anhängig. Die Ermittler seien bei einer Hausdurchsuchung fündig
geworden. Der Verdächtige befinde sich auf freiem Fuß.

Im Sinn der 2006 verabschiedeten diözesanen Maßnahmen, Regelungen und
Orientierungshilfen zur Verhinderung sexuellen Missbrauchs sei
Generalvikar Franz Schuster "nach der Verständigung durch die
Justizbehörden sofort tätig" geworden. "Der Geistliche wurde von
seinen Ämtern und Aufgaben als Pfarrer, stellvertretender Dechant und
Wallfahrtsdirektor sowie als Religionslehrer unverzüglich dienstfrei
gestellt."

Die Sorge der Kirche gelte in erster Linie den Kindern, die Opfer
sexuellen Missbrauchs werden, sagte Schuster laut Erzdiözese. Es
müsse alles getan werden, dies - und wie in diesem Fall den Besitz
und die Weitergabe kinderpornografischer Darstellungen - zu
verhindern. "Wir wollen vor allem den Opfern helfen. Aber auch die
Täter dürfen nicht alleingelassen werden. Auch ihnen soll
psychologische und pastorale Hilfe zuteilwerden."

More at:
http://www.vol.at/news/politik/artikel/ermittlungen-gegen-pfarrer-wegen-kinderpornos/cn/apa-1141865156

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Om Shanti

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 3:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

President's kin usurped land, says court

Vaibhav Ganjapure & Vaidehi More, TNN
The Times of India
Thursday, February 11, 2010

Nagpur - A local court in Maharashtra has upheld a farmer's plea that
India's first family had fraudulently usurped a little more than one
hectare of his farmland. Surprisingly, the order was made last
December 7 but never made public since the order wasn't given to
either party until Tuesday.

In the order, the court of Daryapur subdivisional officer Ashok
Amankar directed striking off the names of President Pratibha Patil
Shekhawat's family from the records and upheld Kishor Bansod's claim
that the transfer of ownership was done using fraudulent means.

The SDO, while partly allowing an appeal filed by the aggrieved
farmer, cancelled a mutation entry of October 5, 2007, which named,
apart from the president's husband Devisingh Shekhawat, family
members Siddheshwar, Raghusingh, Bhawarsingh, Kishorsingh and Omsingh
Shekhawat.

Devisingh told TOI on Wednesday the allegation was baseless and
nothing but a publicity gimmick by the appellant. "The total land of
1.02 hectare was jointly held by Bansod and Siddheshwar Shekhawat and
five others," he said.

Devisingh clarified that the court has only partially allowed the
appeal while directing revenue officials to measure the land afresh
and restore ownership to the original joint owners. Devisingh claimed
that Bansod had been illegally cultivating on their piece of land and
since he was also working as part-time journalist, was seeking undue
publicity. "It might be an error committed by the officials who
measured it. I have only one acre of land in my name which I would
have donated to any of my family members," he said.

Congress party also rushed to his defence, saying it would be
premature to judge him guilty. "It would be wrong to jump to
conclusions on the basis of one-sided facts," said party spokesman
Abhishek Singhvi.

The SDO also directed superintendent of town planning in Daryapur in
Amravati district to measure the disputed tract and asked the
Shekhawat family to bear the cost of the exercise.

According to the appellant's counsel Sunil Gajbhiye, Shekhwat
family's land was adjacent Bansod's land measuring 1.02 hectares in
Chandrapur Khallar village and Shekhawat's wanted Bansod to sell it
to them.

Later, revenue officials got the ownership entry in the name of
Shekawat family members and it was made official on October 5, 2007
without informing the appellant, Bansod alleged.

Bansod filed an application under Section 247 of Maharashtra Land
Ownership Act 1966 before Daryapur SDO's court, demanding immediate
stay on the alleged illegal transfer of his land by the Shekhawat
family. He contended that after his refusal to sell his land,
Shekhawat family members connived with local officials and
transferred his land in their names on the key documents.

Only a small bit was left with Bansod as per records.

More at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Presidents-kin-usurped-land-says-court/articleshow/5558105.cms

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 3:28 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <4b74eca7$0$12434$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> Make top MBA grads village school headmasters: Sibal
>
> Thursday,11 February 2010, 03:10 hrs
>
> New Delhi: With a belief that graduates from the premier B-schools can
> handle village schools better, Union HRD Minister Kapil Sibal has devised a
> new mantra of sending top B-school pass-outs from the institutes to head
> village schools. "A number of IIM and IIT students come from rural
> background and they want to give back something to their villages. We should
> explore this opportunity," Sibal said.
> While interacting with women entrepreneurs in Delhi, Sibal spoke on the need
> of leaders in education, including capable principals in large numbers,
> especially in the model schools to be set up across the country, reports
> Shruba Mukherjee of Deccan Herald. "I have interacted with students in the
> prestigious B-schools and many of them want to opt for teaching. Why can't
> we have graduates from the Indian Institutes of Management as principals in
> these schools?" he questioned.
>
> "On a normal course, it takes about nine years for a teacher to become
> principal in a school. But if an IIM or IIT graduate undertakes the
> Leadership Development program in a university, he can be recruited as a
> principal within two years," the Minister said. However, after serving a
> certain period a person would be free to go back to the industry if he is
> willing.

Bharatiya, especially Hindus, are educating the world.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 3:30 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <ncldn.56834$Np1.44870@newsfe19.iad>,
netvegetable <notrealemail@all.com> posted:

> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:00:58 -0600, harmony wrote:

> > "netvegetable" <notrealemail@all.com> wrote in message
> > news:tW6dn.95328$U83.30529@newsfe10.iad...

> >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:37 -0600, harmony wrote:
> >>
> >>> Make top MBA grads village school headmasters: Sibal

> >> Maybe, but they won't be going there for Permanent Residency that's for
> >> sure.

> > in other words, if you can't colonize a colored country, you don't want
> > to be there.

> No I'm just saying the place is a shithole.

Which country can't be called one?

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 4:44 pm
From: DM

On Feb 12, 3:52 pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Make top MBA grads village school headmasters: Sibal
> Thursday,11 February 2010, 03:10 hrs

> "On a normal course, it takes about nine years for a teacher to become
> principal in a school.

That means that just as a teacher is reaching peak performance in the
classroom his or her role switches to pure administration. The better
the classroom performance, the more likely this is to happen. So the
system loses the best of its teachers and turns them into its most
inexperienced administrators. A nett loss to both vocations.

A better solution to this problem is to give highly trained
administrators some experience in the school environment and then use
them to run schools.

The Indian idea has merit. Perhaps we should try it here.

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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 4:23 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded message from Chand K Sharma

Splashes from Hindu Massage - 7

Mythological Management of the Universe

Long before Aristotle and other European exponents of political as
well as management science propounded their theories, India possessed
a precise blue print of Management system that will dwarf the concept
of ultra modern management gurus of our century. The division of
various departments, work responsibility, duties attributed to
various functionaries and infrastructure available to them for their
performance have conceptually remained the same all over, except
with the advent of science and technology, it has changed the looks.
After Indian mythology came into being, Management of universe
followed an almost similar pattern in all the other pagan
mythologies. Only the names of angles, their subordinates,
assignments and physical descriptions sometimes varied according to
the geography, likes and traditions of propagators and local
environment.

Hindu mythology is in very brief as under:-

Indra is the Chief of Devtas and is the master of heavens. Besides he
holds the charge of Thunder, Rain and Lightning; to denote nothing
moves without power. His life style and actions match the Chief
Executive of any global corporation of modern times. He is The
Viceroy of Supreme God. As Head of the Celestial Government, he
applies all the tools and tactics of modern governance as CIA does
today. He does not shy away even from the use of all kinds of powers
and allurements, including the use of wine and women, to achieve his
objectives. He rides a proverbial white elephant, the costliest
vehicle and lives in heaven, possessing all the riches and luxuries
one can imagine.

Agni (Fire) is next to Indra. The sacrifices made to Agni go to the
gods through Agni. He represents the power that digests the food. In
art Agni is represented as red and two-faced, suggesting his
destructive and beneficent qualities.

Soorya (Sun) is the chief solar deity and the center point of our
solar system. He is the God who can be seen and is regulating almost
every thing that affects life on our planet.

The Vayu (Wind) is a very early wind god.

Varun is the master of water, the most essential commodity in the
Universe.

Yum is the god of Death. Without him life would be miserable on
earth. If Death was not there Chingez Khan, Babur, Aurangzeb, Nadir
Shah and many of the past characters would have been around us.

Kuber is the god of wealth. He bears the image of present day's money
lander and finance advisers.

Mitra appears the god of honesty, friendship, and contracts, a fore
runner of public administration.

Kaam is the god of love. With wife Rati the couple can surpass all
the fantasies of modern generation, and has been a source of
inspiration to saints like Valentine!

Aditi (limitless) is a goddess of consciousness, the past, the future
and fertility.

All the attributes associated with the gallery of gods can be
rationalized separately in detail, but here only a glimpses of
portfolios has been mentioned for the sake of brevity.

In Hindu mythology, importance of women has never been over looked.
It signifies the importance of married life of all species of the
world. It also underlines the division of responsibilities and status
of males and females. The power of granting boons and curses is
equally available to the spouse of gods and they are more or less on
equal footing. The gods do respect their wives and are never alone.
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are married to goddesses Sarsawati
(Knowledge), Lakshmi (wealth) and Durga (Power) respectively. Their
relationship with spouse God is based on rationality. Creativity
requires knowledge, preservation requires material wealth and
destructive-ness requires physical force. The positive and negative
aspects of knowledge, wealth and Power are depicted by the flowers
and weapons carried by the goddesses.

Some other ever living mythological heroes are:-

Ganesh is the god of Wisdom. He is worshiped first in any prayers as
without wisdom you shall have hurdles all around in every activity.
Wisdom is a pre-requisite to every action. Therefore Ganesh's
mantras are repeated first before every auspicious work is begun.
Ganesh has a human body, an elephant's head and a mouse as His
vehicle. Riding on a mouse, one of nature's smallest creatures and
having the head of an elephant, the biggest of all animals, denotes
that Ganesh is the creator of all creatures. It also denotes the
process of evolution. The mouse gradually evolves into an elephant
and finally becomes a man.

Kartikeya is the god of masculinity and war, and leader of the armies
of the gods. He rides a peacock.

Narada Rishi is the Sage of the gods and is ever living. He moves
about in the three worlds and can be rightly called as the patron of
media-men and a moving data bank. He is supposed to know everything
that is happening at any place and keeps the Almighty informed. He
can appear at any place and at any time. It is very unfortunate that
he is often sarcastically depicted as a comic character in films and
literature. Hindus possess a sharp sense of humor even to laugh at
oneself.

Hanuman is the living embodiment of an ideal selfless worker, and a
true Karma Yogi (Man of Action). He lived to serve Rama. He was
humble, brave, and wise and possessed all the divine virtues. He
never boasted of his bravery and intelligence.

The Hindu mythology developed side by side of abstract philosophy as
a training aid for visualization of the concept. It was continuously
updated to keep pace with the developing thought process. Source of
Hindu mythology can be traced in Vedic, Puranic and Epic literature.
It is the most fascinating animation of various personified traits
depicting the richness of imagination, closer to reality.

Chand K Sharma

End of forwarded message from Chand K Sharma

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 5:59 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded article from Shri Nandanandana das (Stephen Knapp)

Giving Vedic Culture to the Next Generation

Friday, February 12, 2010

Namaste,

An issue that seems to be increasing both in India and the USA is how
to give Vedic culture to the next generation. They do not take up the
culture just because their parents and grandparents do it, but they
want more.

So what to do about it?

Giving Vedic Culture to the Next Generation

By Sri Nandanandana dasa (Stephen Knapp)
http://www.stephen-knapp.com

When I was growing up as a teenager and became interested in the
Vedic teachings, I had to research it on my own. I was not like the
Indian youth who naturally grow up with it in their own families, and
who may also take it for granted as if it is nothing special. I had
to struggle and almost fight to acquire access to the books and
information I needed. There was so little around where I grew up. In
other words, there was no way I was going to take this Vedic
knowledge cheaply once I got it.

The fact of the matter was that I was raised in a Christian family,
which was nice, but gradually I was not totally satisfied with the
spiritual teachings within the faith. I had more questions about life
than it had answers. I found it rather shallow and wanted something
deeper. So I looked at all kinds of religions and spiritual
teachings, but with the question that is typical of most Westerners
when growing up, "What's in it for me?" Plus, "How is it going to
help me, and which spiritual path is going to do the most for me? How
can it make a difference to my growth and understanding."

This is a basic attitude of most Westerners and is spreading to most
of the youth around the world.

With that premise as the basis of my exploration, when I finally
arrived at the Vedic tradition, I was convinced of the depth of its
spiritual knowledge and its comprehensiveness, but from the view of
"What's in it for me?"

Because of having this background, typical of Americans, I can also
understand the position of other young people today, especially those
of Indian descent, who may be asking the same questions regarding
their own culture. Therefore, if they do not get the right answers to
their questions, or the proper guidance to understand the purpose and
meaning of its philosophy and practices, it will not make enough
sense to them to seriously take up the path or fully accept it.
Therefore, I realize how important it is to teach them correctly, and
in a way in which they will find interest in it.

Indian youngsters of today have adopted the American or western
approach to accepting their parent's tradition, which is called
"What's in it for me?

"In other words, if they do not understand something, or if they
cannot relate to it, or if it makes no sense or seems to have little
relevancy to their lives, they will not take it. Gone are the days
when sons and daughters accept something mainly because their parents
or grandparents did. Now they have to be able to see the purpose of
it. They need to understand the meaning and usefulness behind the
tradition.

This is not only the way the next generation of Indians and Hindus
are viewing things in America, but I've seen this same attitude in
the youth in India as well. This is also happening in other cultures
too. So this is a challenge to the parents everywhere. But in some
ways this is good because if the children really understand the
customs and traditions, if they are truly educated in the meaning of
them, then if they embrace them they will sincerely follow them for
life.

So it is up to the parents, teachers and gurus to find the ways in
which the Indian youth of today can understand and learn about the
customs and history of the Vedic tradition in a way that makes sense
to them. They cannot be bored with it. It has to have meaning and be
relevant to their lives.

They can't see it merely as myths, but as legends and history. They
should not see it as mere rituals, but as ceremonies and practices
that uplift and purify the consciousness. They need to recognize the
benefits of it. They should not see the images in the temple as mere
idols, but as Deities that can reciprocate with the devotee to the
degree of sincerity and surrender in which the devotee approaches the
Deity. They need to see that Vedic culture is a dynamic and living
tradition that holds eternal spiritual truths that are as relevant
today as they were thousands of years ago. They need to see that many
of the technological advancements that we take for granted today are
made possible by many of the developments that had been given by the
ancient Vedic tradition.

The youth of today cannot be pushed or forced into something. But
they need to be introduced to the Vedic tradition through methods
that involve their own interests, whether it is technology and
computers, or whether it is through ways of self-expression like
music, dance, art, or even martial arts. All of these avenues have
strong roots in the Vedic tradition and were used in ways of
discipline that would also lead one to higher awareness and refined
realizations.

We need to make the youth aware of the possibilities that can be
attained or learned from the ancient Vedic tradition as it is applied
to the modern age. I recently got a letter from South Africa in which
they explained how they were using an approach from an article I
wrote on how various frequencies can allow a person to kill, heal or
transcend. In it I explained that the numerous frequencies which
exist around us can affect us in various ways, both beneficially or
destructively. It also showed how Russians had been broadcasting
radio frequencies that could control behavioral patterns in people or
even kill them, as well as how the ancients of Vedic culture used the
sound vibrations in mantras to perceive and reach the spiritual
strata and change social cooperation for the better.

When this was presented to the youth in a class, no one was bored,
but they could see how ancient knowledge could be applied for
purposes that could be used today. In this way, children that
displayed no interest in spirituality suddenly had their curiosity
piqued. So we need to know how to develop these kinds of methods.

Furthermore, Hindu temples, being the center of cultural
preservation, also need to find the ways for the youth to get
involved in all age levels.

Even if it is only through association with other youngsters for fun,
games, and youthful activities like camping, boating, swimming,
musical sing-alongs, etc., that can be incorporated to bring them
together. Then stories of the ancient histories can be told wherein
they learn moral values and also the characters and traits of the
Vedic personalities, both old and contemporary. This can be done in a
way that can also explain the history of India and its development.
Or they can learn songs and bhajans as played with modern instruments
like guitars and electric keyboards. The point is to use any avenue
in which their interest can be aroused. It also has to be fun.

Thereafter, classes that teach the more orthodox ways of the culture
can also be introduced, such as the traditional forms of dance, art,
yoga, and philosophy with a modern bent to it. By this I mean how it
has influenced great thinkers of the West, such as Emerson, Thoreau,
and others. Or how in America yoga has become a three billion dollar
business that now has over 16 million people who practice it. Plus,
we can show them how Westerners and people all over the world are
adopting such views as reincarnation and karma, which are thoroughly
rooted in the Vedic tradition. In essence, the youth should feel
proud of their culture, its global acceptance, and how it is
providing upliftment for increasing numbers of people.

So how best can we relate to our children? Using the approach of
emotion or entertainment is one way. Whenever children become bored
with something, such as too much philosophy or intellectualism, what
do they usually do? They go relate with their friends, or put on some
music in their Ipod, play competitive sports, or something like that.
Thus, they go and engage in one of the most basic activities that
there are, which are things on the emotional level. So we need to
perceive that. Find out what activities they would like to do in the
temple. Or what areas of interest in their tradition do they have. Do
they have interest in the heroes or freedom fighters of India?
Chances are the children do not even know of them. But many of the
boys would certainly have their interest piqued if they began to hear
the stories and adventures about the heroes in the Puranic epics, or
the more modern heroes during India's efforts for independence. These
would include the struggles, fights, challenges, sacrifices, all for
the improvement of society and the people of India. There are also
many strong women in Indian history who have worked and even fought
in such a way, which could then also be of interest and provide
inspiration to the girls. So, we have to open ourselves up and find
out how else to reach our children.

Many of these ways of teaching and numerous other techniques are
already being done quite successfully, but they need to be set up and
documented in a way in which they can be duplicated by others who are
also in need of them. When a solution is found, when there is
something that works, it should be made available through the proper
channels to others who could also use it. There are some networks for
this purpose already functioning, but they need to increase their
exposure and cooperation with other Hindu organizations. This lack of
cooperation between various organizations and sects is indeed a prime
issue in the global Hindu community.

Another point is that if parents are going to convey Vedic culture
and Dharma to their children, then the parents also must know what to
say and how to explain things properly to them. And if they don't
know how, then they need to learn. It is not enough to merely send
the children off to someone else to get the necessary information and
guidance. The parents, being our first teachers, must also be
exemplary, enthusiastic, and provide the proper instructions. They
must be educated in their own culture so they can explain it to their
children, and also use it as the basis of their actions.

Otherwise, how will the children understand the purpose of the
ceremonies, or the holidays and customs that are observed? And if
this is the case, why would it make sense to the children to adopt
the Vedic standards and traditions when the answers to the primary
question, "What is in it for me?" has not been answered. And how
inspiring would it be when it seems that their own parents do not
know the purpose behind the traditions, or do not take them
seriously? On the other hand, when the parents regularly bring their
young children to the temple and they join together with other
families and youngsters to joyously observe the eventful holidays, or
the colorful worship or special classes, it can create fond memories
in the minds of the children that will last their whole lives. They
remember their family taking special care and lovingly doing such
things together, and devotedly going to the temple for special
observances, and the uplifting feeling they would get from that.

These are like samskaras or impressions which create memories that
can motivate the children to continue partaking in such aspects of
the Vedic Hindu traditions long after they reach adulthood. And then
they partake of the same traditions and observances with their own
children.

In essence, the youth of today have to know that the practice of the
Vedic tradition is going to improve and enhance their life. They have
to know how it is going to help them reach their higher potential in
today's world, both materially and spiritually. And how it is going
to give them the fulfillment that everyone is looking for. And we
have to provide those answers and insights to them in some way or
other.

Even if the children engage in less activity at school, such as in
sports or various social clubs, there can be an increase in the time
they have for learning about their Indian heritage and culture. After
all, Sanatana-dharma is not only the root of the identity of children
of Indian descent, but it is the foundation for the balance and
guidance and character that everyone can use throughout life.
Children may learn all about and play baseball, basketball, or other
social and sports activities, but how much will they really use such
things later on? So what is the loss in learning about the traditions
and heritage of India, except in not learning it at all? That would
be the greatest loss.

By training our children in the principles of Santana-dharma, they
also learn about the greatness of the Indian identity. Thus, if they
have a difficult time in figuring out whether they are American or
Indian, especially if they are Indian-born but now being raised in
America, this would help them understand their great and
distinguishing ethnic identity. They may still relate to things in
the West, but understanding their heritage, especially the universal,
spiritual standards of Sanatan-dharm, will help them have a balanced
view of life and their real uniqueness than anything else. It would
become the foundation of who they are, and also provide the wisdom
for the decisions that they make long after they have left school.

It has been said that if you ever want to destroy a generation, or
create the demise of a culture, then cause a distancing between the
youth and their previous generations. Then in time, the previous
traditions will be forgotten and will cease to exist. Therefore, it
is imperative that temples need Balavihars, or a school or special
programs to train all children in the ways and meaning of the Vedic
tradition.

They can also engage in fun mock debates on various points of the
Vedic culture in group discussions on why certain things are done in
the temple, or on certain aspects of the philosophy and knowledge
about the Vedic epics.

This way they can understand, remember, and even defend their culture
and be proud of following Sanatana-dharma. This can help remove any
misconception that they have. There may be a time when they know more
than their parents.

As the youth become more enthusiastic and develop with age, they can
also become united through networks that join with other youth groups
from various mandirs and temples from across the country. Then they
can also plan great festivals and get-togethers with a large number
of other youth for engagement in all kinds of fun activities,
culturally oriented traditions, discussions on life and challenges,
resolutions to develop for the future of their culture, and so on.
The youth can also share the experiences with each other that they
have on the spiritual path. Everyone wants to be on a winning team,
and when other youth from the same background see how they are
assisting, encouraging, and relating to each other in a positive and
exciting way, more of the youth will want to join. When they have the
enthusiasm and independence to progress in this way on their own,
there will be no stopping them. They will also become the inspiration
for future generations.

For me, I write books and articles like this one. Admittedly this is
only one of many ways that have to be utilized. But I view books as
tools, not only for educating Westerners, but also for Indian youth
and adults alike.

For example, not long ago I put together a book called "Vedic
Culture: The Difference It Can Make In Your Life." By working with
some of the top writers in different fields of Vedic study today and
letting them write on their main topics of interest, I was able to
produce a book that covers the important ways that Vedic knowledge
can be utilized for assisting a person to reach their highest
potential. The book covers not only the spiritual paths of the Vedic
tradition, as in yoga, but it also covers Vedic science, Ayurved,
Vastu Shastra, Jyotish, Vedic gemology, Vedic environmentalism, etc.
The purpose of this is to clearly show the different ways the Vedic
tradition can help a person sort out various problems or enhance
one's life for reaching one's highest potential and state of
fulfillment. So it is an educational tool for anyone to understand
the wide scope of applications available in the Vedic tradition that
can be used to make a difference in one's life.

This certainly is to help answer the question, "What's in it for me?"
Such a book is meant to assist all Hindus to utilize and to know how
to present the validity of the Vedic tradition to others, even to
one's own children, and shows the value in learning how important the
Vedic knowledge can be.

This is just one aspect of preserving and presenting the great
tradition known as Vedic culture for the benefit of all others.

Another article to read in this connection is:

Vedic Culture: As Relevant Today As Ever

vedic_culture_as_relevant_today_as_ever.htm as found on my website
at: _www.stephen-knapp.com_
( http://www.stephen-knapp.com/ ).

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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: GOVERNMENT MOVE OVER GAUTAM BUDDH RELICS RAKES UP ROW
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 6:22 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded message from Y. M.

Govt move over Buddha relics rakes up row

Panel says give them to Zee chief's pagoda; experts put up resistance

Aditi Tandon
Tribune News Service
Wednesday, February 10, 2010

New Delhi, February 10 - Over 2,550 years after Buddha attained
'parinirvana', India is debating whether to give up control over His
relics --- housed in museums under the Ministry of Culture -- and
move them into the community's hands.

A government panel has recommended shifting of the revered remains.
The biggest beneficiary of the move would be the Global Vipassana
Foundation and Pagoda in Mumbai, whose president Subhash Chandra,
also Zee Entertainment Enterprises chief, is a member of the
committee the government constituted two years ago to examine the
existing system of upkeep of Buddhist relics and recommend changes.

The 62 Buddhist relics excavated by ASI at 12 places are currently
housed in museums and 'viharas' where they were found in UP, Bihar,
West Bengal, Andhra, Tamil Nadu, MP, Gujarat, Maharashtra and Delhi.
These are in the nature of whole or part of skeletons, bones or
teeth, ashes and hair.

Now after eight heated sittings since October 3, 2008, the committee,
headed by former Planning Commission member Bhalchandra Mungekar, in
its final draft report, ignores much of the criticism in the panel of
moving Buddha's relics to Vipassana Foundation and recommends: "It
could be desirable to seek a few relics to the Global Pagoda in
Mumbai as it would be according to the wishes of Lord Buddha and;
secondly, due to the durability of the Pagoda's structure and
ambience".

The justification is that the existing system of preservation of
relics in various museums under the Ministry of Culture is not in
consonance with the wishes of Lord Buddha, who wanted the relics
preserved in separate 'stupas'.

Strangely, the draft report which saw stormy discussions hinting at a
lack of consensus on the issue today, failed to include dissenting
notes by two experts on the panel -- Shantam Seth of Ahimsa Trust, a
Buddhist institution, and Mridula Mukherjee, director, Nehru Memorial
Museum and Library. Both reportedly sought that their dissension to
the movement of relics -- in whole or part to Vipassana foundation
(located next to Essel World in Mumbai) -- be recorded in the final
report to be submitted to the government for consideration.

Chandra for his part kept citing Buddha's "wishes" to say that His
relics be given to Vipassana for safety and durability. "Around 51
organisations of Buddhist culture have given the consent to hand over
relics to the Pagoda," Chandra told the committee.

Documents with The Tribune further show that panel chairperson
Mungekar was often supportive of Chandra, saying at one point that
the "Centre might have taken a wrong decision in keeping the relics
in museums… These can't be kept in museums perpetually as it was
against Buddha's own direction in the matter."

Most experts, however, want status quo on relics until the government
makes an alternative arrangement to house them in 'stupas'. Seth is
opposing the movement of shifting them to Global Pagoda saying it
would open the Pandora's Box of competing claims. "Moreover, museums
are neutral places for Buddha's divine remains," he noted before the
panel.

Mukherjee argued that removing relics from their contact would be
incorrect. In panel meetings, she even countered Chandra's claim of
accessibility, saying: "Concentrating relics at one place won't solve
the purpose of easy accessibility to people in a vast country like
ours."

Documents further reveal how even DG, ASI KN Shrivastava opposed the
handing over of relics to Pagoda, saying the move was against the
Cabinet Committee of Political Affairs' decision of 1991 barring
religious use of centrally protected monuments. "Removing relics from
site of recovery is against international standards. Also, relics
need close chemical monitoring and controlled atmospheric conditions
which exist only in museums," he said. But Chandra and his supporter
Seema Aggarwal, another Vipassana representative on the panel, kept
arguing that they only wanted to preserve the relics and not the
ownership.

Entire relics in possession of the government should be given to the
Vipassana Foundation as it this is the biggest organisation in the
world which preserves Vipassana, the ancient technique which is the
quintessence of Buddhist teaching, they said. In one pro-Vipassana
argument, Agarwal even said there was no building in India as
appropriate as the Global Vipassana Pagoda. "We don't see any being
built - in magnificence, in stature (it is 325 feet high), in
longevity (will last over 2000 years). Therefore, Global Pagoda
should be, indisputably, the choice for enshrinement of the relics,"
she said while clarifying to an unfavourable note of Culture
Ministry.

On its part, the government appears wary of any recommendation to
move the relics to a single body. "The very idea of moving the relics
out of government custody to an institution built by millions of US
dollars is to me vague. Also, how do we correctly interpret in modern
times what Buddha said 2550 years ago," said a government officer.
The final committee report is expected shortly.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100211/main7.htm

Indigenous tribute to the Buddha

Rahi Gaikwad

- Photo: Vivek Bendre

Work in progress: The world's largest stone dome, Global Vipassana
Pagoda, near Mumbai.

Mumbai: Your eyes struggle to grasp the sense of vastness that greets
you on stepping inside the dome. Sounds of hammer and chisel echo
around in layers. Outside, away from the riotous sounds and smells of
Mumbai, many pairs of hands are at work. Towering above them,
ensconced in scaffolding, is the Global Vipassana Pagoda. One of the
largest stone monuments in Asia is in its final stages of completion.

Modelled on the lines of the Shwe Dagon Pagoda in Yangon, the Indian
version aspires to pay homage to the Buddha and his teachings. It
also stands as a tribute to Myanmar, which has through history
cherished Buddhist secularist traditions and thought.

The structure stands at an imposing 325 feet. Its dome, with a
diameter of 280 feet, is the world's largest stone dome. There are no
supporting pillars.

Located on the green peninsular landscape of Gorai, the pagoda is an
ambitious undertaking. It is a pinkish structure of sandstone brought
from Jodhpur, cut and dressed.

The stone blocks were assembled in Mumbai using the technique of
interlocking, thus making it an indigenous architectural marvel in
its own right.

"We have used only stone and limewater. No cement or steel. We want
the structure to last for at least a thousand years," says Madan
Mutha, who supervises the project.

Many heads have come together to conceptualise, plan and erect the
pagoda. A team of Sompuras experts in ornate stone were engaged for
their know-how. The Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Mumbai was
one of the consultants. IIT Chennai is working to improve the
acoustics inside the dome.

The interior of the dome is a large meditation hall, a seamless
expanse designed to accommodate 8,000 meditators. A giant golden
wheel or the Dhamma Chakra is set in the centre from the inside. A
four-tonne keystone bears Buddha relics. Two small pagodas outside
the main one will also serve as meditation centres.

Large quantities of stone and much human effort have gone into the
making of the pagoda. The foundation itself took 3,000 truckloads of
stone, 1,000 truckloads of sand and 40,000 person-hours.

The estimated cost of construction is Rs. 80 crore, raised through
donations. The site, which will be open to the public by the second
week of February, covers an area of 11 acres.

The land was donated by a Vipassana student. The project has been
spearheaded by the Global Vipassana Foundation.

Apart from being a wonder in stone, the pagoda is set to be an
embodiment of the "non-sectarian, rational process of mental
purification thorough self-observation" that is Vipassana.

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Om Shanti

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TOPIC: SOME POINTS ON RAJDEEP SARDESAI'S OPEN LETTER TO UDDHAV THACKERAY
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule

Some points on Rajdeep Sardesai's open letter to Uddhav Thackeray

Friday, February 12, 2010

In an open letter to Uddhav Thackeray, on the Shiv Sena severe
criticism of Shahrukh Khan, Rajdeep Sardesai writes: "Sharukh is no
surprise since the Sena has always been uncomfortable with the Indian
Muslim identity."

Clearly the secularists cannot view ANY issue except on communal
terms. There are some Muslims who are members of the Shiv Sena and
also who support the Shiv Sena. I guess, accoroding to Rajdeepji,
they are really not true Muslims. And what about Muslims who have
also criticised Shahrukhji on this issue? I guess, they too are not
true Muslims.

Rajdeepji also writes: "You've called Sharukh a traitor for wishing
to choose Pakistani cricketers in the IPL. "

This is an utter and blatant lie. But then to show one's so-called
secular credentials it is necessary to resort to lies. Without which
one cannot make any case.

Rajdeepji knows (or should know) that Shahrukh was termed a traitor
by Shiv Sena because he said that Pakistan is a GREAT neighbour.
Now, one can say that Shiv Sena is wrong on this issue. But bring
out his statement out in the public, rather than tell les.
Furthermore, Shajrukhji should be asked why he did not choose any
Paksitani players himself.

Rajdeepji would like Uddahvji to focus on some important issues. For
example, he writes: "Farmer suicides still continue, the after-
effects of drought are still being faced in several districts, but
the focus is now squarely on finding high profile hate figures."

I am sure if Rajdeepji devotes the resources of his channel on these
important issues, instead of giving a minute-by-minute report on the
travel programme of Rahul Gandhi in Mumbai, the people of this
country would be eternally grateful to him.

Rajdeepji writes: "The Congress-NCP government in the state has been
thoroughly incompetent: the last decade has seen Maharashtra decline
on most social and economic parameters."

I do not watch Rajdeepji's channel. Has he highlighted this issue of
incompetence in any meaningful manner?

A general question. Has Rajdeepji written an open letter to Digvijay
Singh on the latter's visit to Azamgarh in UP, which is well-known to
be a hotbed of creators of terrorists in India? He will probably
write a letter in open praise of Digvijayji.

The open letter is available at:

http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/61523/an-open-letter-to-uddhav-thackeray.html

Namaste
Ashok Chowgule

End of forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:28 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded message from H. K.

Rajdeep Sardesai is a known Hindu hater and is paid by some agencies
to write against Hindus.

It is a very valid question to Rajdeep ......" Has Rajdeepji written
an open letter to Digvijay Singh on the latter's visit to Azamgarh
in UP, which is well-known to be a hotbed of creators of terrorists
in India? He will probably write a letter in open praise of
Digvijayji."

Despite my negative comments about Thackerays regarding their Marathi
Manoos campaign against Biharis and UP people, I must say that they
were quite right in saying that Shah Rukh Khan was anti- National in
trying to teach his fans that "Pakistan is a GREAT Neighbour"

In fact Shah Rukh Khan did manage to teach this untruth to lot of his
young but stupid fans. There is nothing wrong if Shiv Sena objects to
this statement and subsequent actions of Shah Rukh Khan. He must
apologise for his foolish comment.

Hindus would do well to remember the true credentials of a Muslim
despite his cleverly chocolate coated exterior.

End of forwarded message from H. K.

> Forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule
>
> Some points on Rajdeep Sardesai's open letter to Uddhav Thackeray
>
> Friday, February 12, 2010
>
> In an open letter to Uddhav Thackeray, on the Shiv Sena severe
> criticism of Shahrukh Khan, Rajdeep Sardesai writes: "Sharukh is no
> surprise since the Sena has always been uncomfortable with the Indian
> Muslim identity."
>
> Clearly the secularists cannot view ANY issue except on communal
> terms. There are some Muslims who are members of the Shiv Sena and
> also who support the Shiv Sena. I guess, accoroding to Rajdeepji,
> they are really not true Muslims. And what about Muslims who have
> also criticised Shahrukhji on this issue? I guess, they too are not
> true Muslims.
>
> Rajdeepji also writes: "You've called Sharukh a traitor for wishing
> to choose Pakistani cricketers in the IPL. "
>
> This is an utter and blatant lie. But then to show one's so-called
> secular credentials it is necessary to resort to lies. Without which
> one cannot make any case.
>
> Rajdeepji knows (or should know) that Shahrukh was termed a traitor
> by Shiv Sena because he said that Pakistan is a GREAT neighbour.
> Now, one can say that Shiv Sena is wrong on this issue. But bring
> out his statement out in the public, rather than tell les.
> Furthermore, Shajrukhji should be asked why he did not choose any
> Paksitani players himself.
>
> Rajdeepji would like Uddahvji to focus on some important issues. For
> example, he writes: "Farmer suicides still continue, the after-
> effects of drought are still being faced in several districts, but
> the focus is now squarely on finding high profile hate figures."
>
> I am sure if Rajdeepji devotes the resources of his channel on these
> important issues, instead of giving a minute-by-minute report on the
> travel programme of Rahul Gandhi in Mumbai, the people of this
> country would be eternally grateful to him.
>
> Rajdeepji writes: "The Congress-NCP government in the state has been
> thoroughly incompetent: the last decade has seen Maharashtra decline
> on most social and economic parameters."
>
> I do not watch Rajdeepji's channel. Has he highlighted this issue of
> incompetence in any meaningful manner?
>
> A general question. Has Rajdeepji written an open letter to Digvijay
> Singh on the latter's visit to Azamgarh in UP, which is well-known to
> be a hotbed of creators of terrorists in India? He will probably
> write a letter in open praise of Digvijayji.
>
> The open letter is available at:
>
> http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/61523/an-open-letter-to-uddhav-t
> hackeray.html
>
> Namaste
> Ashok Chowgule
>
> End of forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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TOPIC: BUDDHISM MAKES A COMEBACK IN BHARAT by Francois Gautier *** Jai Maharaj
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Buddhism makes a comeback in India

By Francois Gautier
December 1, 2000

There is little doubt that Buddha came at a time where Hinduism had
got bogged down in too much philosophical talk, rituals and casteism
-- it would need much later a Shankaracharya to give it again a new
impetus -- and Buddhism offered a simple way out of human misery to
anybody, whatever their caste and social status. This may explain why
at the beginning of our era, the entire northern and eastern India
was practicing Buddhism.

Unfortunately, after Buddha's death, his followers and disciples
gradually made of Buddhism a religion of rigid tenets, dos and
don'ts, which not only diminished Buddhism's popular appeal, but also
may have harmed India. This harm has two facets: Non-violence and
Maya.

Many Buddhists like to believe that Buddhism disappeared from India,
because it was slowly "swallowed" back by Hinduism at the hands of
the vengeful Brahmins, who had lost their principal source of income
with the self-liberation methods of Buddha. But the truth could be
entirely different. Hinduism of the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita
always held ahinsa as one of its highest spiritual values, but at the
same time understood that violence can sometimes be necessary to
defend one's border's, women and children, in a word that Might has
to protect Dharma.

Which is why, until Buddhism made of non-violence an uncompromising,
inflexible dogma, India's borders were not only secure, but extended
from Afghanistan to Kanyakumari. But when Ashoka embraced Buddhism,
India's great protecting armor, which had worked for millennia, had
been breached. Buddhist thought also indirectly influenced great
figures such as Mahatma Gandhi, whose sincere but rigid adherence to
non-violence may have indirectly precipitated Partition.

Today, unobtrusively, Buddhism seems to be making a great comeback in
India through the Vipassana movement of Shri Goenka, who learnt the
technique in Burma from a great Master and brought it back to India
in the late sixties.

The remarkable Vipassana meditation is originally a Vedic technique,
which had been lost and which Buddha rediscovered again. In the hands
of Siddartha Gautama, it became a simple, self-liberation method,
accessible to all, regardless of their caste, religion, or social
status. Hence its immense success in Buddha's time, when Hinduism had
lost some of its appeal because of too much philosophical talk,
casteism and rituals.

Shri Goenka keeps emphasising today that his Vipassana movement is
still non-sectarian, open to all, whatever their religion and
nationality. But it appears not to have lost some of the anti-Hindu
slant that post-Buddha sects adopted (as evident in today's Sinhalese
Buddhism). At every sentence of his discourses (meditators usually
attend ten days' courses, where at the end of each day, they watch a
video tape of Goenkaji, commenting on the technique), Goenka takes a
subtle potshot at Hinduism, whether it is the "rites, rituals, Gods,
images", or the "priests" (Brahmins), who tried to malign Buddha, or
the sadhus "with their beads, matted hair, Shiva marks etc", or
Varanasi, "a holy city full of hashish and bhang." Or else, he riles
contemporary Hindu gurus and movements (without naming them openly,
but they are easily recognised): Sai Baba "with all these hospitals,
schools, etc, with his name inscribed on them"; or Rajneesh/Osho
"with this fleet of Rolls Royces"; or the Hare Krishna movement
"dancing Hare Krishna this and Hare Krishna that". . .

It is rarely mentioned today that Buddhism, like Islam and
Christianity has been a proselytising religion, even if it was done
peacefully: Emperor Ashok's missionaries went all over Asia and
converted huge chunks of territory. But Buddhism came out of Hinduism
and ultimately went back to it, as the millions of Indian Buddhists
of the beginning of our era, eventually reverted to Hinduism. This is
why Buddhists may have kept a certain resentment against Hinduism.

Shri Goenka's Vipassana meditation technique is today practiced by
millions in India, because it is such a simple and effective
procedure. But Shri Goenka's greatest fear is, that like after
Buddha's demise, when Hinduism started eating back into the core of
Buddhism, after his death (Goenkaji is nearing 80), the same thing
will happen to the Vipassana movement.

Hence, at every step, he warns his practitioners, that if they liked
the technique, they should, when they go back to the world, use it
exclusively "and not revert to rites, rituals, etc" -- meaning that
they should become Buddhists (even if he does not say so in so many
words) and shun Hinduism. But what Shri Goenka fails to see is that
on the one hand, he is promoting conversion, even if it is not in a
blatant manner; and two, that once more, someone is taking advantage
of Hinduism's great tolerance and openness.

For of course, 99 per cent of Vipassana meditators in India are
Hindus -- I have attended more than a dozen ten days' courses and I
have seen only one or two Christian nuns and never a single Muslim.
Only Hindus recognise Buddha as an avatar, Muslims consider him as an
infidel and indeed erased all traces of Him in India; and Christians
tend to think that only Jesus is the true Son of God.

We notice also the embryo of the erstwhile errors of Buddhism, which
cost India so much: a rigid and unbending non-violence -- it is for
instance forbidden to kill even a mosquito in the Vipassana ashram
premises; it is true too, that Vipassana, however efficient, is a
joyless technique, with a very strict mental set-up: segregation
between men and women is pushed sometimes to absurd limits and
everything is timed to the second, leaving very little space for
laughter and the imagination.

Again, there is an emphasis on withdrawal from this world, as Shri
Goenka keeps saying at every step that everything is "misery,
misery", "craving and aversion" and that "we are dying at every
moment." And this may again lead India towards self-neglect, at a
moment where She needs all her enthusiasm and energies.

Finally, there is no doubt that Shri Goenka is bent -- if not on
establishing a new religion -- at least on starting an irreversible
movement; the huge Vipassana temple being now built in Bombay is
proof of that.

Is he going to succeed? While the Vipassana technique is a wonderful
instrument, it should not be used to promote a new religion, at a
time when the world is trying to move away from religions towards
spirituality. And once more, we see that India is coming under
threat. Will Goenka's meditators slowly come into positions of power
and give again to India the passive, weak, non-violent turn of mind
which already in the past did so much harm to Her ?

Francois Gautier
http://www.rediff.com/news/franc.htm

More at:
http://getahead.rediff.com/news/2000/dec/01franc.htm

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:46 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Open letter to Mr. Shahrukh Khan

By Bandyopadhyay Arindam
ivarta.com
January 31, 2010

Your name is a household phenomenon in Indian and even beyond her
borders. Your fame has put you in the Newsweek "most powerful people
list" recently. However, as you may recall from your recent
experience in New Jersey Airport, real life is a little different --
it does not always follow the path predicted by a scriptwriter or
director.

Of late, we have been reading about your opinions and statements on
matters beyond the celluloid world. Nothing is wrong in it. You live
in a free, democratic country and are entirely entitled to your
opinion. But as a common man, also from the same soil, I think I have
the right too to raise a few points that may not conform to your
views of the real world.

I hope you will read it out.

When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL,
it was almost predictable that NDTV, the award-winning, mouthpiece of
our Indian liberal media select you for your views and you certified
that "It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We (India and
Pakistan) are great neighbours. They are good neighbours."

I have a few words to say about those statements.

One may recall your effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain,
Shoaib Malik"s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for
failing to win the final T20 match against India, likely much to the
embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin
Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more
embarrassing was your effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent
interview, "I don't think he meant to segregate Muslims and
Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and
Hinduism. I don't think that..."

I doubt whether Shoaib talked to you personally about his thought
process at that time. You did not really have to respond for somebody
else but perhaps you could not resist the temptation to show your
brotherhood and solidarity.

This reminds us again of Dr Ambedkar's observation that, "The
brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is
brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only.

Partition of India was what Pakistan wanted and got. It was painful
to millions but many more millions in present India have been spared.
Since then Pakistan has offered us only hatred. It has imposed on us
three major wars, the Kargil insurgency, the Kashmir conflict, the
series of serial blasts, the routine violation of border ceasefires,
attacks on the Parliament House and the recent Mumbai 26/11attack.

Did you have these in mind when you talked about them being good
neighbours?

In another interview you had tried to explain the concept of Islamic
Jihad. "I think one needs to understand the meaning of jihad .. I've
understood the essence that jihad is not about killing other people;
jihad is about killing the badness in you."

May be you understand jihad better and deeper than the superficial
meaning of what we, the rest of the mortal mankind, overburdened and
terrorized by the inter-religious, intra-religious and sectarian
violence that is plaguing the world in the name of Islam today, do.
For we, the less educated, cannot really make a difference between
Jihad and Qatl, between Jihad by heart / soul, Jihad by pen and Jihad
by sword or between lesser and greater jihad.

We wonder, whatever its meaning may be, does it minimize the
significance of the mindless killings that we see today in the name
of Islam, across borders, all over the world? Does it change the
nature of the killers whether you call them holy warriors,
mujahidins, fedayeens or plane suicide bombers?

We agree with you that terrorism has no religion. But hopefully you
will also agree with the people who perceive that most terrorist in
the world today happen to believe in the scriptures of Islam. They
actually believe that they themselves are the true Islamists.

The so called "moderate" Islamist, perhaps does not want to
contradict them or may be does not dare to speak out against them.
You have probably not forgotten the FIR against you for listing
Prophet Mohammed as one of the most unimpressive personalities in
history, the threats from which you had to skillfully wriggle out.
Others who are not so fortunate, famous or flexible are suffering
lifetime, as Tasleema Nasreen or Salman Rushdie would testify. For
blasphemy in Islam is punishable with death, even for a believer.

Do I have to spell out the fate if it is a non-believer?

It is due to the inherent intolerance and exclusivity of Islam itself
despite your effort to convince us that there is an Islam from Allah
and very unfortunately, there is an Islam from the Mullahs

Here is an historical insight from writer Irfan Hussain, "The Muslim
heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed
some dreadful crimes..all have blood-stained hands that the passage
of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians
on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds
will live long after they were buried...Seen through Hindu eyes, the
Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster."

So why should the "non-believers" care to accept them? Why should the
majority of Indians like to welcome back such disasters again?

Since partition, India has come a long way in progress and
development to her current status and is projected as an economic
superpower in coming decades while Pakistan is perceived as a failed
state on the verge of disintegration.

What does India have to gain by offering neighbourly friendship to
such a hostile and failed state?

India has never been an invader and is not in conflict of any other
Muslim country. None of the wars and conflicts with Pakistan was
instigated by India. In the current geopolitical situation, one can
argue for the Muslim world's grudge and anger against Israel or the
west and USA but one fail to fathom why India should also be at the
receiving end and why Indians should be the second largest group of
people to die from terrorists attacks. Indian majorities do not have
anything to do with the Danish cartoon or the death of Saddam
Hussain; so why should they suffer from Islamic havoc on those
occasions.

In almost all occasions of terrorism, questions are raised about
possible role of Pakistan, its terror bases and its terrorist
organizations, as either directly or indirectly involved. Be it state
sponsored (as recently admitted by President Zardari) or by non-state
actors, Pakistan or Pakistani born are prime suspect in terrorist
activities all over the world. ISI has been accused of playing a role
in major terrorist attacks including 9/11 in the USA, terrorism in
Kashmir, Mumbai Train Bombings, London Bombings, Indian Parliament
Attack, Varanasi bombings, Hyderabad bombings, Mumbai terror attacks
or the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Do you believe these are marks of a good neighbour? Then what is the
reason for your preaching of love towards Pakistan?

Perhaps, as you said, because it is your ancestor's homeland, you
have a soft feeling for Pakistan and cannot see the difference. On
the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university,
we heard you say, "I really believe we are the same ..when you come
away from India or Pakistan you realize there is no Indian or
Pakistani -- we're all together. We are -- culturally, as human
beings, as friends"

Which Pakistanis are you referring to?

The Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of
global terrorism, not just by India or USA but even by its friendly
allies like Iran or China.

Or is it the self-created, Talibanic Pakistan, who still imposes
Jijya on the non believers or finds pleasure in blowing up girl's
schools.

Are you talking about its President class like the current Mr.
Zardari, vowed to wage a 1,000-year war with India or the late Mrs.
Bhutto who started Jihad in Kashmiri that lead to the exodus of Hindu
minorities from the Muslim majority state of India, as refugees in
their own country?

Are you referring to Pakistanis loyal to the ISI and the military who
train their soldiers with only one objective, i.e. to fight Hindu
India?

If your mind is concerned about the faceless mass of Pakistanis, does
it also include the dwindling minorities?

Or are you just concerned about the celebrities and the social
elites?

It is true SRK that we belong to the same human species but it is
hard to stretch the similarities much further between "us" and
"them".

We from the same original land of Bharat but we want to keep her
intact, they want to break it into thousand pieces.

Our ancestors happen to be the same. We acknowledge and adore the
heritage but they abhor and decimate whoever is available in an
attempt to wipe out the link.

We are culturally the same. We have created the culture over
centuries what they dream to destroy in moments.

Ours is a 10,000 year old civilization, theirs is a 62 years old
country undoing whole human civilization.

We extend our hands repeatedly to promote friendship and amity; they
give us ISI, Lashkar, Harkat, Kashmir, Kargil and 26/11 in exchange.

Do you think that the Indians nationals who died in all the above
wars, the Indian soldiers who lost their lives in cross-border
ceasefire violations or the Indian civilians who are killed by the
ISI trained Islamic terrorists and their affiliates, in all those
serial blasts, all over the country, willfully sacrificed their lives
as a friendly neighbourhood gesture?

Can you face the families of the victims of Chhatrapati Shivaji
Terminus or the martyrs of the Kargil war and try to explain to them
that "They are good neighbours. Let us love each other."

Can you explain why the two gunmen at Cama hospital, during the
Mumbai carnage, asked the man who gave them water, what his religion
was, and shot him dead when he said he was a Hindu?

If you cannot, then perhaps you understand why the majority of India
does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have.

Perhaps you believe that the peaceful religious co-existence that you
created in your home (and we appreciate that) can be extended to the
large world outside. As you rightly said, we Indians trust and do
accept everybody but what you did fail to mention was that it is the
Indic tradition, essentially coming out of its pre-Islamic Hindu
ethos.

If you think otherwise, show us a single Islamic country where the
non-believers enjoy the same equality as the believers. Since
partition, the Hindus left over in Pakistan and Bangladesh has
suffered terribly. Strictly Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, do
not allow any other religions to exist. Hindus working in the Gulf
countries are not allowed to practice their religion in public. Saudi
Arabia insists that India sends only a Muslim ambassador. Hindu
Muslim unity by and large has generally been a matter of Hindus
trying to please or accommodate Muslims. One cannot forget when
Vajpayee was extending his hand for peace Musharraf was planning the
Kargil insurgency.

Let us remind you, your own statement "I am a Muslim in a country
called India. We've never been made to feel this is a Hindu country."

Can you find me a Hindu in Pakistan who can reciprocate that
sentiment?

Some years ago, another Mr. Khan, first name Feroze, from your
fraternity was banned from entering Pakistan for saying, "India is
secular unlike Pakistan".

That is the basic difference of the land of "Hindu" India from the
Islamic "pure land" of Pakistan.

So please do not ask us to love Pakistan.

Please do not lump the people of India and Pakistan together. We
Indians are proud to preserve our separate identity.

And please do not insult the land that gave you your life, name and
fame, by claiming that her worst enemy, who wants to break her into
1000 pieces, is a great neighbour.

Otherwise it would be sad if somebody accuses you of putting your
religion ahead of your country.

Please give it a thought.

Regards,

Arindam Bandyopadhyay.
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/blog-columns-BandyopadhyayArindam-1.htm

More at:
http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Open-letter-Mr-Shahrukh-Khan-SRK/blog-348.htm

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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