Monday, February 15, 2010

rec.arts.movies.local.indian - 25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

rec.arts.movies.local.indian
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Today's topics:

* sociopath Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3897db98b99a798e?hl=en
* Factbox - CHRISTIAN CHURCH SEX SCANDALS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3230deb4129bd7f6?hl=en
* BISHOPS SUMMONED OVER SEX CRIMES BY CHRISTIAN CLERGY - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3fae9c5dbca9b8b3?hl=en
* Khans have just terrorised Pune! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/8c403b94fd4f1604?hl=en
* hey oz, how well you know your precious Indians before other Indians beat
them up/kill them/burn them - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/5a457b6d7f48271f?hl=en
* VALENTINE'S DAY 'LEADS TO FREE SEX' - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a37fa0b2ea96aaaf?hl=en
* Student attacks hit Australian education industry - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/d53bcd84907314bc?hl=en
* oz redneck country beyond repair, so say oz democrats - 7 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/d708c4352ff51053?hl=en
* Sexy stories fr women - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/188a59af2d10815b?hl=en
* CHRISTIAN TERRORISM - CHRISTIANS TARGET HINDU PRIESTS AND YOG - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a8c0abeb81e3ac11?hl=en
* PRESIDENT'S KIN USURPED LAND, SAYS COURT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/6dcc5bc335bd5a91?hl=en
* Manu Smriti should be decreed as Apocryphal - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a4b29337ca57dfdc?hl=en
* MUSLIMS AND PEOPLE WITH HINDU-SOUNDING NAMES TO CELEBRATE MOHAMMED'S BIRTH
ANNIVERSARY - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/cc17c9b34d7b2df3?hl=en
* to cornjulio - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/b8901f6a51ad63fe?hl=en

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TOPIC: sociopath Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3897db98b99a798e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 11:22 pm
From: Franz Gnaedinger

> The abuse of sci.lang by the sociopath of the false
> name and false title and false engagement encourages
> others to abuse our forum for commercial purposes,
> see the many sex threads started yesterday.
>
> > Seven messages in crying titles yesterday. Does the
> > sociopath now feel a martyr because I maintain this thread,
> > allowing him to post ever more messages, making ever
> > more money?
>
> > > Dusan, where are you?
>
> > > > Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
> > > > rid of Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
> > > > call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
> > > > on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
> > > > Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
> > > > his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
> > > > community, his pretended compassion for abused
> > > > children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
> > > > pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
> > > > and he coldly calculates that he can find them
> > > > among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
> > > > to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
> > > > he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
> > > > and find out what he really has in mind.
>
> > > > > Jay Stevens who calls himself Jai Maharaj and
> > > > > adorns his false name with a false title pretends
> > > > > to engage himself for the Hindu community
> > > > > while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
> > > > > of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
> > > > > prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
> > > > > in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
> > > > > scheme of turning the misery of other people into
> > > > > money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
> > > > > gives him the right to ruin sci.lang. Jay Stevens
> > > > > aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
> > > > > and a cancer combined.
>
> > > > > > That sociopath Jay Stevens who calls himself
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
> > > > > > title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
> > > > > > threads presently on the first page of the topics list
> > > > > > 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
> > > > > > say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
> > > > > > My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
> > > > > > community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
> > > > > > mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
> > > > > > I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
> > > > > > to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
> > > > > > Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
> > > > > > felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
> > > > > > Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
> > > > > > years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
> > > > > > of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
> > > > > > that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
> > > > > > of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
> > > > > > in these matters, my messages will be read again,
> > > > > > and I can tell for sure that Jay Steves who is at present
> > > > > > carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
> > > > > > sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
> > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
> > > > > > superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
> > > > > > business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
> > > > > > but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
> > > > > > a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
> > > > > > is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
> > > > > > and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
> > > > > > and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
> > > > > > No, that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
> > > > > > care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
> > > > > > from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>
> > > > > > > A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
> > > > > > > particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
> > > > > > > using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
> > > > > > > pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
> > > > > > > while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
> > > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
> > > > > > > an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
> > > > > > > sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
> > > > > > > namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
> > > > > > > Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
> > > > > > > Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
> > > > > > > own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
> > > > > > > alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
> > > > > > > stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
> > > > > > > alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
> > > > > > > alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
> > > > > > > discovered the origin of language alias he himself
> > > > > > > as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>
> > > > > > > > > That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
> > > > > > > > > trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
> > > > > > > > > his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
> > > > > > > > > around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
> > > > > > > > > the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
> > > > > > > > > calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
> > > > > > > > > ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
> > > > > > > > > a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
> > > > > > > > > creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
> > > > > > > > > sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > > > > sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
> > > > > > > > > for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
> > > > > > > > > the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
> > > > > > > > > among those people he apparently believes are especially
> > > > > > > > > prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
> > > > > > > > > target of his astrological enterprise.
>
> > > > > > > > On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
> > > > > > > > abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
> > > > > > > > often with messages on child abuse by Christian
> > > > > > > > missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
> > > > > > > > and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
> > > > > > > > against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
> > > > > > > > against his spamming you are revealed as someone
> > > > > > > > who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
> > > > > > > > nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
> > > > > > > > instead, belonging to the accused western world,
> > > > > > > > we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
> > > > > > > > allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
> > > > > > > > forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
> > > > > > > > against every religious propaganda in here, also
> > > > > > > > Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
> > > > > > > > quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
> > > > > > > > by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
> > > > > > > > people do, how they live, what example they give.
> > > > > > > > And most of all I write against child abuse and child
> > > > > > > > pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
> > > > > > > > based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
> > > > > > > > A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
> > > > > > > > top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
> > > > > > > > that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
> > > > > > > > these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
> > > > > > > > accusations of that false doctor of the false name
> > > > > > > > and his cynic calculation that he can make money
> > > > > > > > out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
> > > > > > > > community while all he has in mind is to catch
> > > > > > > > new customers for his astrological enteprise.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:12 am
From: Franz Gnaedinger


The sociopath goes on and on and on abusing sci.lang.
I will take measures soon.

> The abuse of sci.lang by the sociopath of the false
> name and false title and false engagement encourages
> others to abuse our forum for commercial purposes,
> see the many sex threads started yesterday.
>
> > Seven messages in crying titles yesterday. Does the
> > sociopath now feel a martyr because I maintain this thread,
> > allowing him to post ever more messages, making ever
> > more money?
>
> > > Dusan, where are you?
>
> > > > Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
> > > > rid of Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
> > > > call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
> > > > on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
> > > > Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
> > > > his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
> > > > community, his pretended compassion for abused
> > > > children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
> > > > pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
> > > > and he coldly calculates that he can find them
> > > > among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
> > > > to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
> > > > he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
> > > > and find out what he really has in mind.
>
> > > > > Jay Stevens who calls himself Jai Maharaj and
> > > > > adorns his false name with a false title pretends
> > > > > to engage himself for the Hindu community
> > > > > while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
> > > > > of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
> > > > > prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
> > > > > in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
> > > > > scheme of turning the misery of other people into
> > > > > money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
> > > > > gives him the right to ruin sci.lang. Jay Stevens
> > > > > aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
> > > > > and a cancer combined.
>
> > > > > > That sociopath Jay Stevens who calls himself
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
> > > > > > title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
> > > > > > threads presently on the first page of the topics list
> > > > > > 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
> > > > > > say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
> > > > > > My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
> > > > > > community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
> > > > > > mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
> > > > > > I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
> > > > > > to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
> > > > > > Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
> > > > > > felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
> > > > > > Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
> > > > > > years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
> > > > > > of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
> > > > > > that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
> > > > > > of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
> > > > > > in these matters, my messages will be read again,
> > > > > > and I can tell for sure that Jay Steves who is at present
> > > > > > carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
> > > > > > sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
> > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
> > > > > > superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
> > > > > > business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
> > > > > > but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
> > > > > > a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
> > > > > > is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
> > > > > > and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
> > > > > > and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
> > > > > > No, that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
> > > > > > care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
> > > > > > from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>
> > > > > > > A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
> > > > > > > particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
> > > > > > > using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
> > > > > > > pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
> > > > > > > while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
> > > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
> > > > > > > an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
> > > > > > > sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
> > > > > > > namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
> > > > > > > Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
> > > > > > > Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
> > > > > > > own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
> > > > > > > alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
> > > > > > > stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
> > > > > > > alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
> > > > > > > alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
> > > > > > > discovered the origin of language alias he himself
> > > > > > > as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>
> > > > > > > > > That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
> > > > > > > > > trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
> > > > > > > > > his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
> > > > > > > > > around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
> > > > > > > > > the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
> > > > > > > > > calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
> > > > > > > > > ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
> > > > > > > > > a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
> > > > > > > > > creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
> > > > > > > > > sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > > > > sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
> > > > > > > > > for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
> > > > > > > > > the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
> > > > > > > > > among those people he apparently believes are especially
> > > > > > > > > prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
> > > > > > > > > target of his astrological enterprise.
>
> > > > > > > > On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
> > > > > > > > abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
> > > > > > > > often with messages on child abuse by Christian
> > > > > > > > missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
> > > > > > > > and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
> > > > > > > > against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
> > > > > > > > against his spamming you are revealed as someone
> > > > > > > > who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
> > > > > > > > nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
> > > > > > > > instead, belonging to the accused western world,
> > > > > > > > we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
> > > > > > > > allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
> > > > > > > > forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
> > > > > > > > against every religious propaganda in here, also
> > > > > > > > Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
> > > > > > > > quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
> > > > > > > > by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
> > > > > > > > people do, how they live, what example they give.
> > > > > > > > And most of all I write against child abuse and child
> > > > > > > > pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
> > > > > > > > based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
> > > > > > > > A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
> > > > > > > > top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
> > > > > > > > that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
> > > > > > > > these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
> > > > > > > > accusations of that false doctor of the false name
> > > > > > > > and his cynic calculation that he can make money
> > > > > > > > out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
> > > > > > > > community while all he has in mind is to catch
> > > > > > > > new customers for his astrological enteprise.


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TOPIC: Factbox - CHRISTIAN CHURCH SEX SCANDALS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3230deb4129bd7f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:07 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


FACTBOX - Roman Catholic Church sex scandals

Reuters
Sunday, February 14, 2010

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict and Irish bishops will hold two days of
meeting on Monday and Tuesday over the vast paedophilia scandal that
has rocked the Church in devoutly Roman Catholic Ireland.

Following are details of some of the major abuse scandals that have
rocked the Roman Catholic Church around the world.

* IRELAND - April 2002 - Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Ferns, one of
Ireland's best-known clerics, resigned over his handling of charges
against a priest of his diocese who committed suicide in 1999 while
facing 66 charges of sexual abuse.

-- March 2009 - Bishop John Magee of Cloyne, under fire for his
handling of reports of sexual abuse, quit his daily duties to deal
with the inquiry.

-- May 2009 - The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a
harrowing five-volume report that took nine years to compile. It said
priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-
run institutions.

-- Nov. 2009 - A government-commissioned inquiry into abuse in Dublin
from 1975 to 2004 released on Nov. 26 said church authorities covered
up widespread cases of child sexual abuse until the mid-1990s.

-- Dec. 2009 - After meeting two Irish Church leaders, Pope Benedict
says he shares the "outrage, betrayal and shame" over the scandal in
their country.

* UNITED STATES - Dec. 2002 - Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law resigned
over charges he transferred clerical abusers to other parishes to
cover up the scandal.

-- June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops directed
dioceses to investigate all charges of sexual abuse.

-- Feb. 2004 - Independent researchers commissioned by the U.S.
Conference of Catholic Bishops said a total of 10,667 people accused
U.S. priests of child sexual abuse from 1950 through 2002. More than
17 percent of accusers had siblings who were also allegedly abused.
Among accusers, 47 percent said they had been abused numerous times.

-- July 2007, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay $660
million to 500 victims of sexual abuse dating as far back as the
1940s in the largest compensation deal of its kind.

-- April 2008 Pope Benedict met victims of sexual abuse by priests
during his visit to the United States in an effort to heal the scars.
The U.S. Church has paid some $2 billion in settlements to victims
since the scandal first broke in 1992.

-- Oct. 2009 - The diocese of Wilmington, Delaware filed for
bankruptcy protection. It later agreed to provide documents to
alleged sex abuse victims to postpone the start of about 80 civil
cases. Since 2002, the Wilmington diocese has settled eight cases for
an average of about $780,000 each.

* AUSTRALIA - July 2008 - On a visit to Australia, Pope Benedict
apologised for sexual abuse by clergy, condemning it as "evil" and
saying abusers should be brought to justice. At that time there had
been 107 convictions for sexual abuse in the Catholic Church there.

* AUSTRIA - July 2004 - Austrian News magazine Profil ran pictures of
priests kissing and groping seminarians at a Roman Catholic seminary
in the St. Poelten diocese.

* BRITAIN - July 2000 - London Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor
acknowledged making a mistake in a previous post in the 1980s by
allowing a paedophile priest to continue working. The priest was
jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.

* CANADA - Oct 2009 - Bishop Raymond Lahey of Antigonish in Nova
Scotia was charged with possession and importation of child
pornography. Earlier this year, he had overseen a C$13 million ($12
million) settlement with clerical abuse victims in the Antigonish
diocese in a case dating back to 1950.

* MEXICO - March 2009 - Pope Benedict ordered a probe of the Legion
of Christ priestly order whose founder was discovered to be a sexual
molester. In 2006, Pope Benedict told the founder, Father Marcial
Maciel, to retire to a life of "prayer and penitence". Maciel died in
2008.

Sources: Reuters/United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

More at:
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-46157620100214?sp=true

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: BISHOPS SUMMONED OVER SEX CRIMES BY CHRISTIAN CLERGY
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3fae9c5dbca9b8b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:57 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


The Paki Habshi, formerly "Mo", would probably like to see the
Internet shut down because people such as myself expose the truth about
Islam and Christianity here. The wisdom, knowledge, information and
current news becomes available to more and more people each day.
USENET newsgroups are making a comeback because not much can be
discussed in detail by SMS and Twitter, or on Facebook and MySpace.
Perhaps Google Wave and Buzz are the future or something else is to
come, but USENET is here to stay. Google buying the newsgroup
archives from Deja was a good thing, even if Google likes to refer to
USENET as "Google Groups".

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b78cf39$0$12437$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> habshi of course won't learn anything, he has a closed mind.
> instead of thanking you educating him, of which he is clearly incapable of,
> he gets mad at you - like a blinkered monotheist.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Irish bishops summoned over abuse
> >
> > Al Jazeera
> > Monday, February 15, 2010
> >
> > Pope Benedict is to meet with Ireland's 24 bishops during a
> > two-day summit at the Vatican [AFP]
> >
> > Rome - The Vatican has summoned all 24 of Ireland's Roman Catholic
> > bishops for talks with the pope following revelations of widespread
> > child abuse among the Irish priesthood.
> >
> > The meetings with Pope Benedict XVI are due to take place on Monday
> > and Tuesday and are to include an accounting of the bishops' views,
> > actions or knowledge about decades of sexual abuse by members of the
> > clergy.
> >
> > Greg Watts, a Catholic writer and author, said the purpose of the
> > meeting is to stress the seriousness of the issue.
> >
> > "Calling all the bishops is quite unprecedented. It happened in 2002,
> > when Pope John Paul II summoned the US bishops to Rome, again over
> > the issue of sexual abuse," he told Al Jazeera.
> >
> > "The pope will be reminding the bishops of their duty to ordinary
> > Catholics. One of the problems is that the Church has become very
> > much driven by power and cover-ups.
> >
> > "The pope will be saying 'This can't happen again, you must remember
> > what your role is as a spiritual leader'."
> >
> > Rekindling the faith
> >
> > But Watts said the pope must also work to rekindle the faith of
> > ordinary Catholics.
> >
> > "Many Catholics in Ireland are disillusioned. Somehow he's got to re-
> > inspire those Catholics to think that most priests haven't been
> > involved in sexual abuse, it's a small number."
> >
> > The meetings come three months after the release of a damning report
> > into child sex abuse by priests, released by Judge Yvonne Murphy.
> >
> > "A casualty of all this has been the truth. The fullness of the
> > truth must come out, everything must be laid on the table"
> >
> > -Bishop Joseph Duffy,
> > Irish Bishops Conference spokesman
> >
> > Issued on November 26, 2009 the Murphy Commission report found the
> > church had "obsessively" hidden child abuse from 1975 to 2004.
> >
> > It said that of the 13 auxiliary [assistant] bishops in the
> > archdiocese who knew about complaints of child sexual abuse over that
> > period, four "dealt particularly badly with complaints".
> >
> > The archdiocese had been more preoccupied with protecting the
> > church's reputation than safeguarding children, it said.
> >
> > Among the 24 bishops expected at the summit is Martin Drennan of
> > Galway, who was named in the report's investigation.
> >
> > But he has refused calls to step down, saying that he did nothing to
> > endanger children.
> >
> > Graphic abuse reports
> >
> > The report came six months after the release of an even more graphic
> > report about floggings, slave labour and gang rape in Ireland's now
> > defunct church-run industrial and reform schools in the 20th century.
> >
> > That report documented decades of sexual, physical and psychological
> > abuse in Catholic-run schools and orphanages.
> >
> > "A casualty of all this has been the truth," The Associated Press
> > news agency cited Clogher Bishop Joseph Duffy, a spokesman for the
> > Irish Bishops Conference, as saying on the eve of the summit in the
> > Vatican.
> >
> > "The fullness of the truth must come out, everything must be laid on
> > the table."
> >
> > But he said the church was "admittedly slower than in needs to be" in
> > dealing with a "culture of concealment."
> >
> > The church's moral authority in Ireland has been eroded in recent
> > years following a string of clerical sex abuse scandals, many of them
> > involving priests molesting young boys.
> >
> > Similar charges of covering up cases of abuse have dogged the
> > Catholic church in other countries, especially the United States.
> >
> > Seven dioceses there have filed for bankruptcy protection to shield
> > themselves from lawsuits by abuse victims.
> >
> > More at:
> > http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/02/201021420236176854.html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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TOPIC: Khans have just terrorised Pune!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/8c403b94fd4f1604?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:46 am
From: trotsky


On 2/14/10 8:48 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Feb 14, 3:55 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>> In article<f61c9de4-3faa-416c-9952-e52cfbe5f...@z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Moorthy<morta...@hotmail.co.uk> posted:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Slap on like of ToI, NDTV and Indian idiots. This is alo timely
>>> comment on MNIK
>>
>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/8-confirmed-dead-33-inju...
>>
>> The mainstream media will try to spin the act of Muslim terrorism in
>> order to either dilute or totally deny it.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> Seems like the Hindu's


Why the random apostrophe, Rich?

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TOPIC: hey oz, how well you know your precious Indians before other Indians
beat them up/kill them/burn them
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/5a457b6d7f48271f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 3:43 pm
From: Hunter


<correcting harmony's topic>


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TOPIC: VALENTINE'S DAY 'LEADS TO FREE SEX'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/a37fa0b2ea96aaaf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 8:49 am
From: Kopral Johnny


DM <d-moss@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:e23d68f5-2ead-4ebd-
a3cd-d1d03e84ee94@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 14, 6:08 pm, Kopral Johnny <kopral_joh...
@ggmail.com> wrote:
>> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:b60273ee-951a-
434e-
>> 8c61-09bc7346a...@p13g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > My sex has always been free.
>>
>> of course, since you wank all the time ! LOL
>
> Studies show that 90% of men masturbate, and that 10% of
men lie in
> surveys.
> You'd be one of the 10% I'd wager.
>
> DM
>

dont push your luck , LOL


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 2:14 pm
From: DM


On Feb 16, 2:49 am, Kopral Johnny <kopral_joh...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:e23d68f5-2ead-4ebd-
> a3cd-d1d03e84e...@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 6:08 pm, Kopral Johnny <kopral_joh...
> @ggmail.com> wrote:
> >> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:b60273ee-951a-
> 434e-
> >> 8c61-09bc7346a...@p13g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > My sex has always been free.
>
> >> of course, since you wank all the time ! LOL
>
> > Studies show that 90% of men masturbate, and that 10% of
> men lie in
> > surveys.
> > You'd be one of the 10% I'd wager.
>
> > DM
>
> dont push your luck , LOL

Don't tell me you are one of the 10% of blokes who prefer having sex
with other blokes?
No wonder you have to pay women for it. Why do you bother?

DM


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:42 pm
From: Kopral Johnny


DM <d-moss@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:e96e755f-e601-4bf9-
9312-453af8e01ff9@v20g2000prb.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 16, 2:49 am, Kopral Johnny <kopral_joh...
@ggmail.com> wrote:
>> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:e23d68f5-2ead-
4ebd-
>> a3cd-d1d03e84e...@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 14, 6:08 pm, Kopral Johnny <kopral_joh...
>> @ggmail.com> wrote:
>> >> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in news:b60273ee-951a-
>> 434e-
>> >> 8c61-09bc7346a...@p13g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > My sex has always been free.
>>
>> >> of course, since you wank all the time ! LOL
>>
>> > Studies show that 90% of men masturbate, and that 10%
of
>> men lie in
>> > surveys.
>> > You'd be one of the 10% I'd wager.
>>
>> > DM
>>
>> dont push your luck , LOL
>
> Don't tell me you are one of the 10% of blokes who
prefer having sex
> with other blokes?
> No wonder you have to pay women for it. Why do you
bother?
>
> DM
>

there's no free lunch , back to square one


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Student attacks hit Australian education industry
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/d53bcd84907314bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 10:10 am
From: "harmony"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100214Y7Y9qDx84NY5az59aV50mYJ@NJBKo...
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article
> <361f910a-fc09-4f56-a585-a1ef3aa4580d@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> kangarooistan <kangarooistan9@gmail.com> posted:
>
>> On Feb 14, 2:02=A0pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Torpedo" <gu...@unknown.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:hl5tc8$8f3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> >
>> > >http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/13/2818697.htm?section=3Djust=
>> in
>> >
>> > > Student attacks hit education industry
>> >
>> > > By Emily Bourke for AM
>> > > Posted 8 hours 57 minutes ago
>> >
>> > > Australia's private education sector says overseas student enrolments
>> > > h=
>> ave
>> > > taken a serious dive following the spate of attacks on Indian
>> > > students.
>> >
>> > > The most recent violent incident emerged in Western Australia
>> > > yesterday
>> > > with
>> > > the deaths of two Indian students who were allegedly killed by
>> > > another
>> > > Indian student after an argument over money.
>> >
>> > > Industry experts say the Government's recently announced changes to
>> > > the
>> > > migration program have also shaken the overseas student market.
>> >
>> > > And there are now calls for a body to represent the interests of the
>> > > entire
>> > > sector to help repair the damage.
>> >
>> > > Andrew Smith, from the Australian Council for Private Education and
>> > > Training, says there has been a drop of between 40 and 50 per cent in
>> > > applications from South Asian countries, particularly India.
>> >
>> > > "We've seen some fall away from the China market which is another key
>> > > market
>> > > but we are also seeing some increases in other markets and we
>> > > expected
>> > > over
>> > > the course of this year, numbers overall will actually probably hold
>> > > ab=
>> out
>> > > the same," he said.
>> >
>> > > "There just won't be anything like the rates of growth we've
>> > > experience=
>> d
>> > > in
>> > > recent years."
>> >
>> > > But he says the Government's changes to the skilled migration program
>> > > a=
>> re
>> > > likely stunt growth in the education market.
>> >
>> > > "There was a further suite of changes announced last week," he said.
>> >
>> > > "The disappointing thing from our point of view was that those
>> > > changes
>> > > rely
>> > > on a specialised occupation list being developing and that list is
>> > > stil=
>> l
>> > > several months away from being developed and released, which makes it
>> > > v=
>> ery
>> > > hard for businesses to plan, makes it very hard for prospective
>> > > student=
>> s
>> > > to
>> > > know what their options might be."
>> >
>> > > Industry and government are desperate to restore confidence in
>> > > Australi=
>> a
>> > > as
>> > > a safe place for quality education.
>> >
>> > > Rod Jones from the Navitas education provider says while there is
>> > > plent=
>> y
>> > > of
>> > > goodwill, he fears the effort to repair Australia's reputation is
>> > > uncoordinated and he says a new umbrella body should be set up.
>> >
>> > > "It is the third or fourth largest export industry for this country
>> > > and=
>> it
>> > > seems really quite amazing that there is not a body that's looking to
>> > > t=
>> ry
>> > > and coordinate from a government perspective, the best possible
>> > > outcome
>> > > for
>> > > this country in terms of delivering both additional export dollars
>> > > but
>> > > taking a view about the long-term future and strategy of how we
>> > > should
>> > > best
>> > > manage this industry as we move forward," he said.
>> >
>> > > Mr Smith says it could be something along the lines of Tourism
>> > > Australi=
>> a.
>> >
>> > > "This is a significant industry - it needs the support and it needs
>> > > the
>> > > strategic approach that will see us take this industry to the next
>> > > step=
>> ,"
>> > > he
>> > > said.
>> >
>> > > The news of two Indian student deaths in Western Australia is
>> > > unlikely =
>> to
>> > > go
>> > > unnoticed in India. The task of restoring confidence could be about
>> > > to =
>> get
>> > > more difficult.
>
>> > u.n. should declare oz as an incomptentent nation, and send u.n.
>> > peacekeeping mission there, taking over the oz.
>
>> Australia is far more racist than the average aussie actually knows
>>
>> Most dont see it , most would not worry too much if they DID see it
>> But the STATS prove the FACT that Australia STILL has a VERY VERY long
>> way to go
>>
>> When they REMOVE the RACISTS from the police and legal and political
>> systems we MAY overcome most of the problems
>>
>> To ASK most white if they think Australia is a raciat country is a
>> JOKE
>>
>> Of COURSE they wont answer YES
>>
>> MOST racists crimes are not EVEN reported
>>
>> most brown people KNOW there is no point asking the police or the
>> courts to uphold the LAW
>>
>> Most police and most politicians and MOST judges are WHITE RACISTS
>>
>> BUT it is slowly getting BETTER
>>
>> Another 100 years should see it improve
>>
>> kanga
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Folks planning to visit Australia need to reconsider their plans, and
> investors, too, need to look elsewhere.
>

oz badly needs a civilizing influence. the oz churches teach a lot of hate.


> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 2:05 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b798e04$0$12417$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> >
> > In article
> > <361f910a-fc09-4f56-a585-a1ef3aa4580d@m35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> > kangarooistan <kangarooistan9@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> >> On Feb 14, 2:02=A0pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Torpedo" <gu...@unknown.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > news:hl5tc8$8f3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> >> >
> >> >
> >http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/13/2818697.htm?section=3Djust=
> >> in
> >> >
> >> > > Student attacks hit education industry
> >> >
> >> > > By Emily Bourke for AM
> >> > > Posted 8 hours 57 minutes ago
> >> >
> >> > > Australia's private education sector says overseas student enrolments
> >> > > h=
> >> ave
> >> > > taken a serious dive following the spate of attacks on Indian
> >> > > students.
> >> >
> >> > > The most recent violent incident emerged in Western Australia
> >> > > yesterday
> >> > > with
> >> > > the deaths of two Indian students who were allegedly killed by
> >> > > another
> >> > > Indian student after an argument over money.
> >> >
> >> > > Industry experts say the Government's recently announced changes to
> >> > > the
> >> > > migration program have also shaken the overseas student market.
> >> >
> >> > > And there are now calls for a body to represent the interests of the
> >> > > entire
> >> > > sector to help repair the damage.
> >> >
> >> > > Andrew Smith, from the Australian Council for Private Education and
> >> > > Training, says there has been a drop of between 40 and 50 per cent in
> >> > > applications from South Asian countries, particularly India.
> >> >
> >> > > "We've seen some fall away from the China market which is another key
> >> > > market
> >> > > but we are also seeing some increases in other markets and we
> >> > > expected
> >> > > over
> >> > > the course of this year, numbers overall will actually probably hold
> >> > > ab=
> >> out
> >> > > the same," he said.
> >> >
> >> > > "There just won't be anything like the rates of growth we've
> >> > > experience=
> >> d
> >> > > in
> >> > > recent years."
> >> >
> >> > > But he says the Government's changes to the skilled migration program
> >> > > a=
> >> re
> >> > > likely stunt growth in the education market.
> >> >
> >> > > "There was a further suite of changes announced last week," he said.
> >> >
> >> > > "The disappointing thing from our point of view was that those
> >> > > changes
> >> > > rely
> >> > > on a specialised occupation list being developing and that list is
> >> > > stil=
> >> l
> >> > > several months away from being developed and released, which makes it
> >> > > v=
> >> ery
> >> > > hard for businesses to plan, makes it very hard for prospective
> >> > > student=
> >> s
> >> > > to
> >> > > know what their options might be."
> >> >
> >> > > Industry and government are desperate to restore confidence in
> >> > > Australi=
> >> a
> >> > > as
> >> > > a safe place for quality education.
> >> >
> >> > > Rod Jones from the Navitas education provider says while there is
> >> > > plent=
> >> y
> >> > > of
> >> > > goodwill, he fears the effort to repair Australia's reputation is
> >> > > uncoordinated and he says a new umbrella body should be set up.
> >> >
> >> > > "It is the third or fourth largest export industry for this country
> >> > > and=
> >> it
> >> > > seems really quite amazing that there is not a body that's looking to
> >> > > t=
> >> ry
> >> > > and coordinate from a government perspective, the best possible
> >> > > outcome
> >> > > for
> >> > > this country in terms of delivering both additional export dollars
> >> > > but
> >> > > taking a view about the long-term future and strategy of how we
> >> > > should
> >> > > best
> >> > > manage this industry as we move forward," he said.
> >> >
> >> > > Mr Smith says it could be something along the lines of Tourism
> >> > > Australi=
> >> a.
> >> >
> >> > > "This is a significant industry - it needs the support and it needs
> >> > > the
> >> > > strategic approach that will see us take this industry to the next
> >> > > step=
> >> ,"
> >> > > he
> >> > > said.
> >> >
> >> > > The news of two Indian student deaths in Western Australia is
> >> > > unlikely =
> >> to
> >> > > go
> >> > > unnoticed in India. The task of restoring confidence could be about
> >> > > to =
> >> get
> >> > > more difficult.
> >
> >> > u.n. should declare oz as an incomptentent nation, and send u.n.
> >> > peacekeeping mission there, taking over the oz.
> >
> >> Australia is far more racist than the average aussie actually knows
> >>
> >> Most dont see it , most would not worry too much if they DID see it
> >> But the STATS prove the FACT that Australia STILL has a VERY VERY long
> >> way to go
> >>
> >> When they REMOVE the RACISTS from the police and legal and political
> >> systems we MAY overcome most of the problems
> >>
> >> To ASK most white if they think Australia is a raciat country is a
> >> JOKE
> >>
> >> Of COURSE they wont answer YES
> >>
> >> MOST racists crimes are not EVEN reported
> >>
> >> most brown people KNOW there is no point asking the police or the
> >> courts to uphold the LAW
> >>
> >> Most police and most politicians and MOST judges are WHITE RACISTS
> >>
> >> BUT it is slowly getting BETTER
> >>
> >> Another 100 years should see it improve
> >>
> >> kanga
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> > Folks planning to visit Australia need to reconsider their plans, and
> > investors, too, need to look elsewhere. - Jai Maharaj

> oz badly needs a civilizing influence. the oz churches teach a lot of hate.

Christian priests rape children; shut down Christian churches, arrest the clergy!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


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TOPIC: oz redneck country beyond repair, so say oz democrats
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/d708c4352ff51053?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 10:29 am
From: "harmony"


as i have said it is time for u.n. peacekeeping forces to march down
canbera.

http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/

The line between religion and government in Australia has become blurred.

The churches now run more publicly funded schools and universities and
public hospitals, aged care and employment services on behalf of government
and can use these services to proselytise or to exclude those with other
beliefs. This relationship with government can compromise the social justice
function of the traditional churches in speaking out about the treatment of
refugees, the attack on Iraq, on industrial relations and on poverty and
indeed these churches in particular have been attacked by government for
doing so.

Churches enjoy tax exempt status, even for business enterprises, but there
is little accountability for this financial advantage and no obligation for
the public revenue foregone be spent in the public interest rather than
those of particular churches.

Conservative religious organisations appear more influential in the major
political parties and are investing their considerable resources into
electing their own candidates, viz the Family First party. Federal ministers
have reacted with divisive arguments to debates over euthanasia, abortion,
gay marriage and Christian values. Political leaders and would-be leaders
have publicly declared their religious faith and courted Hillsong,
Ministries of Fire and other new evangelical churches.

So have Australians become more religious or is it just their politicians?
Do Australians wish to see religion having more say in government and, if so
what this mean for democracy?

The Australian Democrats say the neo-conservative religious right - much of
it with roots in the US - is having a disproportionate influence on public
policy.

The Australian Democrats stand for a fair society that values justice,
democracy, individual freedom and diversity. We support freedom of religion
and the right of citizens to practice, or not practice, a religious faith.
But while we support freedom of religious observance, we do not consider
that religion should have undue influence on the governance of Australian
citizens and nor do we support the exploitation of religion and religious
difference for political purposes.

We will explore the relationship between religion and politics in Australia
and campaign for clearer separation of Church and State as some other
countries have done.


What we are doing

Media statements, speeches and other work in the Parliament. You can also
sign up receive email updates on this issue - just click on the link and put
"sign up to god and government updates" in the subject line.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 2:01 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
Christian priests rape children and promote hate.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b799278$0$12417$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> as i have said it is time for u.n. peacekeeping forces to march down
> canbera.
>
> http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>
> The line between religion and government in Australia has become blurred.
>
> The churches now run more publicly funded schools and universities and
> public hospitals, aged care and employment services on behalf of government
> and can use these services to proselytise or to exclude those with other
> beliefs. This relationship with government can compromise the social justice
> function of the traditional churches in speaking out about the treatment of
> refugees, the attack on Iraq, on industrial relations and on poverty and
> indeed these churches in particular have been attacked by government for
> doing so.
>
> Churches enjoy tax exempt status, even for business enterprises, but there
> is little accountability for this financial advantage and no obligation for
> the public revenue foregone be spent in the public interest rather than
> those of particular churches.
>
> Conservative religious organisations appear more influential in the major
> political parties and are investing their considerable resources into
> electing their own candidates, viz the Family First party. Federal ministers
> have reacted with divisive arguments to debates over euthanasia, abortion,
> gay marriage and Christian values. Political leaders and would-be leaders
> have publicly declared their religious faith and courted Hillsong,
> Ministries of Fire and other new evangelical churches.
>
> So have Australians become more religious or is it just their politicians?
> Do Australians wish to see religion having more say in government and, if so
> what this mean for democracy?
>
> The Australian Democrats say the neo-conservative religious right - much of
> it with roots in the US - is having a disproportionate influence on public
> policy.
>
> The Australian Democrats stand for a fair society that values justice,
> democracy, individual freedom and diversity. We support freedom of religion
> and the right of citizens to practice, or not practice, a religious faith.
> But while we support freedom of religious observance, we do not consider
> that religion should have undue influence on the governance of Australian
> citizens and nor do we support the exploitation of religion and religious
> difference for political purposes.
>
> We will explore the relationship between religion and politics in Australia
> and campaign for clearer separation of Church and State as some other
> countries have done.
>
>
> What we are doing
>
> Media statements, speeches and other work in the Parliament. You can also
> sign up receive email updates on this issue - just click on the link and put
> "sign up to god and government updates" in the subject line.
>
>
>


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 3:44 pm
From: "HD"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100215ZSGnmJknxULiq51KH9lxD12@VwA0H...
> Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
> Christian priests rape children and promote hate.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti


Comments like that are the reason an increasing number of Australians want
to stop non christian migrants to come here to OUR Country. They are also
the reason why some take it on themself to bash up foreigners.
Sow some hate, receive some hate.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:29 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <Q%ken.7945$pv.1679@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
> > Christian priests rape children and promote hate.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti

> Comments like that are the reason an increasing number of Australians want
> to stop non christian migrants to come here to OUR Country. They are also
> the reason why some take it on themself to bash up foreigners.
> Sow some hate, receive some hate.

Do you approve of Christian clergy sexually assaulting children?
And if you want migrants to leave, others can stand behind
the Europeans in the exit line because this is how they took over
Australia:

Brits exterminated entire societies of people

Excerpt

"Australia

"British settlement began in 1788, with the landing
party of transported convicts. Australia remained a
penal colony. during the first half of the 19th
century,during which time the continent was explored and
separate colonies were established in the various states.
Aboriginal populations were displaced and decimated' in
some areas (e.g., Tasmania), they were totally exterminated...."

Source - The Universal Almanac; Andrews and McMeel;
ISBN: 0-8362-7977-8.

So shut down the Christian churches and learn to live peacefully
with others or YOU get out of Australia!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:31 pm
From: "harmony"

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Q%ken.7945$pv.1679@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> message news:20100215ZSGnmJknxULiq51KH9lxD12@VwA0H...
>> Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
>> Christian priests rape children and promote hate.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
>
> Comments like that are the reason an increasing number of Australians want
> to stop non christian migrants to come here to OUR Country. They are also
> the reason why some take it on themself to bash up foreigners.
> Sow some hate, receive some hate.
>

a few things here:

to equate the informed criticism of the misdeeds of the folks associated
with a controversial mideast deity with national interests seems a little
bizzare, no? think, would you be a christian today if your forebears
somewhere up the line weren't forced - most likely against their better
judgement - to join in by xtian crusaders?
btw, the real critics of the church folks are your own white democrats in
your country, many of are elected by your own people.


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:55 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <4b79f58a$0$12429$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:Q%ken.7945$pv.1679@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >>
> >> Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
> >> Christian priests rape children and promote hate.
> >>
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti

> > Comments like that are the reason an increasing number of Australians want
> > to stop non christian migrants to come here to OUR Country. They are also
> > the reason why some take it on themself to bash up foreigners.
> > Sow some hate, receive some hate. "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com>

> a few things here:
>
> to equate the informed criticism of the misdeeds of the folks associated
> with a controversial mideast deity with national interests seems a little
> bizzare, no? think, would you be a christian today if your forebears
> somewhere up the line weren't forced - most likely against their better
> judgement - to join in by xtian crusaders?
> btw, the real critics of the church folks are your own white democrats in
> your country, many of are elected by your own people.

Valid points!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 6:09 pm
From: "HD"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100215JuOpa0slKU3502o83UCt09r@Xazz7...
> In article <Q%ken.7945$pv.1679@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Shut down Christian churches to solvemost of the problems.
>> > Christian priests rape children and promote hate.
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>
>> Comments like that are the reason an increasing number of Australians
>> want
>> to stop non christian migrants to come here to OUR Country. They are also
>> the reason why some take it on themself to bash up foreigners.
>> Sow some hate, receive some hate.
>
> Do you approve of Christian clergy sexually assaulting children?

No, and neither Muslim Clergy or Hindu clergy or any doctors or policemen or
anyone else.

> And if you want migrants to leave,

Only those idiots who try to tell us what to do.


others can stand behind
> the Europeans in the exit line because this is how they took over
> Australia:

That is how every country was taken over ever since man came out of Africa.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 11:51 am
From: Pollianna


Read these sexy stories especially for the ladies at

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 2:13 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Fundamentalist Christians Target Hindu 'Clerics' - Christian Terrorism?

http://bigotblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/fundamentalist-christians/

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: PRESIDENT'S KIN USURPED LAND, SAYS COURT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:43 pm
From: "harmony"


now do something about the congress party president having usurped great
deal of national wealth.


<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100211BLruoO0ZPBpfK18FPTKt54V@XU1lB...
> President's kin usurped land, says court
>
> Vaibhav Ganjapure & Vaidehi More, TNN
> The Times of India
> Thursday, February 11, 2010
>
> Nagpur - A local court in Maharashtra has upheld a farmer's plea that
> India's first family had fraudulently usurped a little more than one
> hectare of his farmland. Surprisingly, the order was made last
> December 7 but never made public since the order wasn't given to
> either party until Tuesday.
>
> In the order, the court of Daryapur subdivisional officer Ashok
> Amankar directed striking off the names of President Pratibha Patil
> Shekhawat's family from the records and upheld Kishor Bansod's claim
> that the transfer of ownership was done using fraudulent means.
>
> The SDO, while partly allowing an appeal filed by the aggrieved
> farmer, cancelled a mutation entry of October 5, 2007, which named,
> apart from the president's husband Devisingh Shekhawat, family
> members Siddheshwar, Raghusingh, Bhawarsingh, Kishorsingh and Omsingh
> Shekhawat.
>
> Devisingh told TOI on Wednesday the allegation was baseless and
> nothing but a publicity gimmick by the appellant. "The total land of
> 1.02 hectare was jointly held by Bansod and Siddheshwar Shekhawat and
> five others," he said.
>
> Devisingh clarified that the court has only partially allowed the
> appeal while directing revenue officials to measure the land afresh
> and restore ownership to the original joint owners. Devisingh claimed
> that Bansod had been illegally cultivating on their piece of land and
> since he was also working as part-time journalist, was seeking undue
> publicity. "It might be an error committed by the officials who
> measured it. I have only one acre of land in my name which I would
> have donated to any of my family members," he said.
>
> Congress party also rushed to his defence, saying it would be
> premature to judge him guilty. "It would be wrong to jump to
> conclusions on the basis of one-sided facts," said party spokesman
> Abhishek Singhvi.
>
> The SDO also directed superintendent of town planning in Daryapur in
> Amravati district to measure the disputed tract and asked the
> Shekhawat family to bear the cost of the exercise.
>
> According to the appellant's counsel Sunil Gajbhiye, Shekhwat
> family's land was adjacent Bansod's land measuring 1.02 hectares in
> Chandrapur Khallar village and Shekhawat's wanted Bansod to sell it
> to them.
>
> Later, revenue officials got the ownership entry in the name of
> Shekawat family members and it was made official on October 5, 2007
> without informing the appellant, Bansod alleged.
>
> Bansod filed an application under Section 247 of Maharashtra Land
> Ownership Act 1966 before Daryapur SDO's court, demanding immediate
> stay on the alleged illegal transfer of his land by the Shekhawat
> family. He contended that after his refusal to sell his land,
> Shekhawat family members connived with local officials and
> transferred his land in their names on the key documents.
>
> Only a small bit was left with Bansod as per records.
>
> More at:
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Presidents-kin-usurped-land-says-court/articleshow/5558105.cms
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:53 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <822ea2e1-3a04-4732-b801-b17a8131058a@w31g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
anon246813579 <anon246813579@gmail.com> posted:
>
> The Manu Smriti should be decreed as Apocryphal. To many it is
> the Law Book of the Hindus which is the most advertised. Yet few know
> that the Many Smriti is considered to be Apocryphal.
> The propaganda of the Marxists and Christians to portray the Manu
> Smriti as a valid and well followed Hindu document must be met with an
> adequate response. Hindu scholars need to come out in the open and
> teach people the apocryphal nature of the Manu Smriti. Hindus need to
> make a stand and unify themselves against constant misrepresentations
> of their religion.
> One of the key points of contention for many Hindus revolves
> around the Manu Smriti and very little is being done by the Hindus to
> educate the public about the apocryphal nature of the Manu Smriti.
> This just should not be. Hindus need to really represent themselves
> in a positive light so that they can dismantle the negativity and
> hatred that is out there against them.
>
> Om shanti.
>
> P.S.
> If you have any information or website which educates people about the
> apocryphal nature of the Manu Smriti, please post it as a reply to
> this thread.

Here is my follow-up to the above post -- this is a related article
published 9 years ago from Hinduism Today: :

Manu and the Brits

Hindu Law

Manu and the Brits

He is regarded as the father of HIndu religious law,
but did Manu intend his writ to a rigid rule book?
Madhu Kishwar declares "He did not."

Madhu Kishwar, Delhi

Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com
January/February 2001

Madhu Kishwar, editor of Manushi magazine and a champion of the
oppressed in India, offers an astute commentary on the persistent
objections and controversies centering on Manusmriti, or Manu Dharma
Shastra, the historical Indian text which is widely regarded as
Hinduism's most authoritative law book. Kishwar claims that the
uncontestable status given to Manusmriti was actually imposed by the
British. She goes on to suggest that Manu himself had never intended
such dogmatic and static interpretations of his wide-ranging work.

In March 25 of year 2000, copies of Manusmriti were burnt by
reformers protesting against the ill-conceived installation of the
statue of Manu in the precincts of the Rajasthan High Court. The
protesters believed that the ancient text is the defining document of
Brahmanical Hinduism, and also the key source of gender and caste
oppression in India. In the ensuing controversy, defenders of
Manusmriti projected it as a pivotal canonical source of religious
law for Hindus. In a somewhat similar fashion, Deepa Mehta's film,
Water, revived an ongoing controversy about whether those who exploit
and downgrade women are following shastric injunctions. In the course
of trying to explain why this debate amounts to a misunderstanding of
the role of the shastras in Hindu religious life, I commented in a
recent TV interview that Manusmriti (and other shastric texts) have
as much or as little authority for Hindus as have Madhusmriti (my
writings) -- or for that matter the pages of my magazine, Manushi,
for its subscribers.

This perfectly serious statement was dismissed as facetious by many
feminists. Others, claiming to speak on behalf of Hindu culture, took
my comment as an insult to the great shastrakar himself. These
diverse responses indicate that there is a serious misconception
among the modern educated elite over the actual status and role of
the shastras in our religious life and cultural traditions.

The confusion is not theirs alone; these common misrepresentations
are an unfortunate by-product of our colonial education, which we
slavishly cling to, even though it is more than five decades since we
declared our Independence. We keep defending or attacking the same
hackneyed quotations from the shastras and the epics which,
incidentally, colonizers used for the purpose of creating a new
discourse about these writings. Their inaccurate and biased
interpretations have continued to inspire major misreadings of our
religious tenets.

The Englishmen who came as traders in the 17th century were befuddled
at the vast diversity and complexity of Indian society. Having come
from a culture where many aspects of family and community affairs
came under the jurisdiction of canonical law, they looked for similar
sources of authority in India. They assumed, for example, that just
as the European marriage laws were based in part on systematic
constructions derived from church interpretations of Biblical tenets,
so must the personal laws of various Indian communities similarly
draw their legitimacy from some priestly interpretations of
fundamental religious texts.

In the late 18th century, the British began to study the ancient
shastras to develop a set of legal principles that would assist them
in adjudicating disputes within Indian civil society. In fact, they
found there was no single body of canonical law, no Hindu Pope to
legitimize a uniform legal code for all the diverse communities of
India, no Shankaracharya whose writ reigned all over the country.
Even religious interpretations of popular epics like the Ramayana
failed to fit the bill because every community and every age
exercized the freedom to recite and write its own version. We have
inherited hundreds of recognized and respected versions of this text,
and many are still being created. The flourishing of such variation
and diversity, however, did not prevent the British from searching
for a definitive canon of Hindu law.

Perhaps more egregiously, in their search the British took no steps
to understand local or jati-based customary law or the way in which
every community -- no matter how wealthy or poor -- regulated its own
internal affairs through jati or biradari panchayats (community's
council of five), without seeking permission or validation from any
higher authority. The power to introduce a new custom, or change
existing practices, rested in large part within each community. Any
individual or group respected within that community could initiate
reforms. This tradition of self-governance is what accounts for the
vast diversity of cultural practices within the subcontinent. For
example, some communities observe strict purdah (keeping face and
body covered) for women, whereas others have inherited matrilineal
family structures in which women exercize a great deal of freedom and
social clout. Some disapprove of widow remarriage, while others
attach no stigma to widowhood and allow women recourse to easy
divorce and remarriage.

The multiplicity of codes was a major reason for the wide divergence
in judgments, interpretations and reports provided by the pandits
appointed to assist British judges presiding over the newly
established colonial courts. Often the same pandits even gave
different opinions on seemingly similar matters, confounding the
judges of the East India Company. The British began to mistrust the
pandits and became impatient with having to deal with such a range of
customs that had no apparent legal authority to back them, since that
made it difficult for them to pose as genuine adjudicators of Hindu
law. The British were even more nonplussed because they had a history
of using the common law system, based on precedent. However, given
the myriad opinions of the Indian pandits, they couldn't depend on
uniform precedents to make their judgments.

Anglo-Brahaminism: In order to arrive at a definitive version of the
Indian legal system that would mainly be useful for them, the East
India Company began to recruit and train pandits for its own service.
In 1772, Warren Hastings hired a group of eleven pandits to cooperate
with the Company in the creation of a new digest of Hindu law that
would govern civil disputes in the British courts. The Sanskrit
pandits hired to translate and sanction this new interpretation of
customary laws created a curious Anglo-Brahmanical hybrid. The
resulting document, printed in London under the title A Code of
Gentoo Laws, or, Ordinations of the Pandits was a made-to-order text,
in which the pandits dutifully followed the demands made by their
paymasters. Though it was the first serious attempt at codification
of Hindu law, the text was far from accurate in its references to the
original sources, or to their varied traditional interpretations.

The very idea of "Hindu" law, in fact, was as much a novelty as the
idea of a pan-Indian Hindu community. In the pre-British era, people
of this subcontinent used a whole range of markers based on region,
jati, language and sect to claim and define their identities. Hardly
anybody identified themselves as "Hindu" -- a term first introduced
by foreigners to refer to people living across the Indus River. The
British lent new zeal in bringing actual substance to the new
identity markers imposed by Europeans on the diverse non-Muslim
inhabitants of the subcontinent. The codification of their so-called
"personal laws" became an important instrument in that endeavor.

This codification still could not put an end to the conflicts of
opinion. The British mistrust of the pandits increased, along with
their frustration at the way they thought they were misleading the
court primarily by favoring the interests of their own caste, and
dealing with a spectrum of customs that were not certified by any
apparent shastric source. The resulting confusions and reports of
corruption led William Jones to work on a more definitive code of
Hindu law as a reference work for Europeans in India. Jones'
statement says it all: "I can no longer bear to be at the mercy of
our pandits who deal out Hindu law as they please, and make it at
reasonable rates, when they cannot find it ready made."

He was determined that the British should administer to the Indian
people the best shastric law that could be discovered. Jones went on
to translate Manusmriti. It became one of the most favored texts of
the British. A policy decision was taken at the highest levels in the
India Office to keep this particular document in circulation and
project it as the fountainhead of Hindu jurisprudence, for the
purpose of perpetuating the illusion that the British were merely
enforcing the shastric injunctions by which Hindus were governed
anyway, and that they had inherited the authority to administer this
law.

Thus Manusmriti came to influence Oriental studies in the West far
more profoundly than it had ever influenced the practices of any
actual living communities in pre-British India. After Jones,
Colebrook tried his hand at a similar compilation. In a few years
time, Colebrook's translations of the Mitakshara and the Dayabhaga
became the two most frequently referenced sources in court judgments.
At the same time, several Sanskrit scholars were also writing legal
treatises, but the work of European authors on shastric law was held
in higher authority than even the Sanskrit shastric works.

The British consistently promoted the myth that Hindus were governed
by their codified versions of shastric injunctions. The modern
educated elite in India, whose knowledge of India comes mainly from
English language sources, were thenceforth systematically brainwashed
into believing that the British were actually administering Hindu
personal laws through the medium of the English courts. This was part
of a larger myth-building exercize whereby the people of the
subcontinent were taught that theirs was a stagnant civilization. The
ignorant assumption of our colonial rulers, that social stability in
India was due to the supposed proclivity of its people to follow the
same old traditions, customs and laws that had allegedly remained
moribund for centuries, slowly came to acquire the force of self-
evident truth over a period of time, both for those supporting as
well as those opposing British rule.

Custom vs. Anglo-shastric law: Since then, the dynamism of customary
law has been in constant conflict with the frozen and artificial
Anglo-Shastric law. Dharmashastras, for instance, were not strictly
religious treatises. Dharma itself means the aggregate of duties and
obligations -- religious, moral, social and legal -- delineated for
every individual and collective performing a specific role in
society. For example, the obligations and duties of a person in his
role as a king (raj-dharma) are different from his obligations as a
husband or son (pati-dharma or putra-dharma). Similarly, guru-dharma
demands specific responsibilities from a teacher, just as shishya-
dharma binds students to their own set of obligations. Even war
demanded a very rigorous code -- yuddha-dharma. The list is endless
and refers mostly to secular duties.

Similarly, the smritis are collections of precepts written by the
rishis, the sages of antiquity. Smritis are presumed to be the
compositions of human authors, not Gods; these authors make it clear
that they are merely anthologizing traditions handed down to them
over generations. They did not hesitate to propose changes and
reforms in their writings. For instance, Apastamba, whose work
embodies the customs of certain regions of southern India, and who
authored one of the most respected sutras, takes care, at the end of
his work, to impress his pupils with the statement: "Some declare
that the remaining duties (which have not been taught here) must be
learned from women and men of all castes." He adds, "the knowledge
which...women possess is the completion of all study."

Neither shastras nor smritis suggest that there exists an immutable,
universal moral doctrine. Rather they emphasize that codes of
morality must be specific to time, person and place, and evolve
according to changing requirements. For example, Narada states,
"Custom is powerful and overrides the sacred law." Manusmriti itself
stresses that the business of the ruler is not to impose laws from
above but that, "A king...must inquire into the law of castes (jati),
of districts (ganapada), of guilds (shreni) and of families (kula),
and settle the peculiar law of each....Thus have the holy sages, well
knowing that law is grounded on immemorial custom, embraced as the
root of all piety good usages long established."

The authority to change or create new customs rests with not just the
biradari but also the kula, or family. Our smritikars (authors)
repeatedly stress the primacy of custom and practice over textual
axioms. Since different smritikars documented the customs of
different communities, there were substantial differences in their
approaches, perspectives and precepts. But characteristically, none
of the smritikars deny the authority of other smritikars or attempt
to prove that theirs is the supreme, most authoritative version of a
code of conduct. They acknowledge that the authority of the king and
the law are derived from the people. Most of the leading smritikars
make explicit statements to this effect. The Smriti of Yajnavalkya,
for instance, lists twenty sages as law givers. The Mitakshara
explains that the enumeration is only illustrative and Dharmasutras
of others are not excluded. Nor is the authority of any shastrakar
assigned hierarchical importance.

The smritikars were not rulers. Nor did they owe their authority to
any sovereign political or military power. The authority of the codes
they enjoined were not enforced by punitive measures. Their influence
depended solely on the voluntary internalization of such value
systems by the groups to which they addressed themselves to and
people's respect for their judgment. Actual enforcement was left in
the hands of the local communities. An oft-repeated maxim was that
reason and justice are to be accorded more regard than mere texts.
Most important of all, a dharmic code, in the rishis' view, was one
that was "agreeable to good conscience."

Gandhi is one of the few modern social reformers to have understood
this principle underlying the shastras. Therefore, he could
unhesitatingly declare: "My belief in the Hindu scriptures does not
require me to accept every word and every verse as divinely
inspired...I decline to be bound by any interpretation, however
learned it may be, if it is repugnant to reason or moral sense." He
goes on to add: "1) I believe in varnashrama of the Vedas, which in
my opinion is based on absolute equality of status, notwithstanding
passages to the contrary in the smritis and elsewhere. 2) Every word
of the printed works passing muster as shastrasâ is not, in my
opinion, a revelation. 3) The interpretation of accepted texts has
undergone evolution and is capable of indefinite evolution, even as
the human intellect and heart are. 4) Nothing in the shastras which
is manifestly contrary to universal truths and morals can stand. 5)
Nothing in the shastras which is capable of being reasoned can stand
if it is in conflict with reason."

Gandhi could present himself as a modern-day sage calling upon people
to overthrow beliefs and practices that did not conform to principles
of equality and justice -- or went against "good conscience" --
because he had inherited a tradition whereby the power to change its
own customary law rested with each community.

People in India have demonstrated time and again that they are
willing to accept changes in their customs, provided those who
propose change take the trouble to win the confidence of the
community, rather than attack or humiliate the community as hostile
outsiders. The success of the 19th century social reformers is
testimony to this inherent flexibility of Hindu communities. In
recent decades, the work of Swadhyaya in parts of western India, the
Radhasoamis in Northern India, and many other reform movements have
carried forward the same tradition.

Thus, the practice of self-governance continues to be a dynamic
tradition in India. Each caste, sub-caste and occupational grouping
continues to assert its right to regulate the inner affairs of its
own community and does not pay much attention to either ancient
textual authorities or to modern parliament-enacted laws. When an
individual or a group in India seeks to defend a particular practice,
the common statement one hears across the country is "hamari biradari
mein to yeh hi chalta hai" (This is how we do things in our
community) -- rather than quotations from the shastras. Those who
insist on attributing our social ills to the shastras repeat the
mistake of our colonial rulers. Just as a doctor can kill a patient
through wrong diagnosis and treatment of the disease -- no matter how
benign the intention -- in the same manner social reformers can wreak
havoc on the people if their understanding of social ills is flawed.

Discrimination against women or Dalits is neither inherently Hindu,
nor is it scripturally mandated. This is not to suggest that such
practices do not exist. Sadly enough, the disgraceful treatment of
Dalits and downgrading of women are among the most shameful aspects
of contemporary Indian society. But they will not disappear by
burning ancient texts because none of the Hindu scriptures have
projected themselves as commandment-giving authorities demanding
unconditional obedience from all those claiming to be Hindus.

For example, oppressive widowhood was and is practiced only in
certain castes and communities in some regions among the Hindus.
According to the 1901 census, the ban on widow remarriage applied to
only ten percent of all the communities in India. And yet, in
colonial critiques, this ban came to be projected as the universal
situation of all widows in India.

If we look closely, we will find that many of the older widows have
ended up in exploitative institutions of Varanasi and Vrindavan not
because of Manu's commands, or any other religious stipulations, or
even the dictates of some contemporary patriarch. They are there
primarily because of the failure of their community to provide secure
rights for women in the family, and many are there even because of
ill-treatment by their daughters-in-law. It is also important to
remember that of all the millions of widows, only a few thousand end
up in places like Vrindavan and Varanasi. True, many may live
oppressed lives within their own homes. But it is also true that many
others live respected lives as honored matriarchs. If all Indian
women are so subordinate, as suggested by a certain kind of feminist
literature, we would not so frequently encounter the phenomenon of
the dominating mothers-in-law who, in many homes, have the power to
make or break their children's marriages. Nor would we witness
innumerable older women putting up with humiliation and neglect
because their daughters-in-law have come to acquire such a powerful
hold over their husbands that they can make them abuse their own
mothers. Those who find this description of the situation far-fetched
should do a survey of their own families. They are likely to find
both these extremes coexisting within their own family circles, along
with instances of fairly balanced and reasonably happy equations.

We are free to rid ourselves of any text that debases women or
certain castes. Let us not imagine that Manu or any other shastrakar
is obstructing our efforts to improve the lot of women or other
oppressed groups. Despite some of the very negative and offensive
things he might have said from our point of view (which many scholars
hold to be later interpolations) Manu did have the proper sense to
pronounce that good karma was more important than biological lineage.
He also emphasized that families and societies which demean women and
make them lead miserable lives inevitably move towards destruction.
He noted that truly prosperous families are only those in which women
are honored and happy.

I believe that Manu bhai would fully endorse my writing a
Madhusmriti, no matter how much I differ with him. He would probably
rejoice in the fact that many people of today prefer Madhusmriti to
Manusmriti, because Manu, like all other smritikars, emphasized that
codes of morality are not fixed by some divine authority, but must
evolve with respect to the changing requirements of generations and
communities.

Madhu Kishwar, New Delhi, is editor of Manushi, India's leading
magazine on human issues, especially women's rights. She is an
erudite activist working effectively to raise the quality of life in
India.

For subscription rates or letters to the editor, write to:

Manushi, c/202 Lajpat Nagar 1, New Delhi, 110024 India, e-mail:
madhu@manushi.unv.enet.in or Manushi, c/o Manavi, PO Box 614,
Bloomfield, New Jersey 07003 USA.

More at:
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=4023

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 5:58 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Is it a case of not being bright, or a case of being too busy with running the world right?

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b79f63e$0$12444$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> many hindus, invariably not bright, take their friendship with mommedans to
> wrong level.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Forwarded message from Narain Kataria
> >
> > Monday, February 15, 2010
> >
> > News Item
> >
> > http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-51258.html
> >
> > Hindu, Muslims to celebrate Prophet's birth anniversary!
> >
> > My Response:
> >
> > It is a matter of great shame and disgrace that some people with
> > Hindu sounding names are celebrating birth anniversary of Prophet
> > Mohammed with Muslims.
> >
> > According to the available information, the followers of Prophet
> > Mohammed have killed more than 80 million Hindus in India. According
> > to Faith Freedom article "In the last 9 years of his life, he
> > [Prophet Mohammed] was involved in an event of violence on the
> > average of every 6 weeks."
> >
> > We should verify the antecedents of those who carry Hindu sounding
> > names to get cheap publicity and fool us. We should also find out
> > whether these people are mentally distraught or suffering from some
> > psychological disorder. These people, in fact, could be wolves in
> > sheep's clothing. It is possible that these traitors may be
> > hobnobbing and colluding with our enemies to destroy us from within.
> > We should also investigate whether they are working for some anti-
> > Indian agency. It is our national duty to expose these fifth
> > columnists and discredit them in public eye.
> >
> > Narain Kataria
> >
> > End of forwarded message from Narain Kataria
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 6:11 pm
From: "harmony"


i don't believe the hindus are running the world - now, hinduism is entirely
a different thing, however.


<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100215MXo6F7Jtttc4Q71HOcG0e17@SES14...
> Is it a case of not being bright, or a case of being too busy with running
> the world right?
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b79f63e$0$12444$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> many hindus, invariably not bright, take their friendship with mommedans
>> to
>> wrong level.
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Forwarded message from Narain Kataria
>> >
>> > Monday, February 15, 2010
>> >
>> > News Item
>> >
>> > http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-51258.html
>> >
>> > Hindu, Muslims to celebrate Prophet's birth anniversary!
>> >
>> > My Response:
>> >
>> > It is a matter of great shame and disgrace that some people with
>> > Hindu sounding names are celebrating birth anniversary of Prophet
>> > Mohammed with Muslims.
>> >
>> > According to the available information, the followers of Prophet
>> > Mohammed have killed more than 80 million Hindus in India. According
>> > to Faith Freedom article "In the last 9 years of his life, he
>> > [Prophet Mohammed] was involved in an event of violence on the
>> > average of every 6 weeks."
>> >
>> > We should verify the antecedents of those who carry Hindu sounding
>> > names to get cheap publicity and fool us. We should also find out
>> > whether these people are mentally distraught or suffering from some
>> > psychological disorder. These people, in fact, could be wolves in
>> > sheep's clothing. It is possible that these traitors may be
>> > hobnobbing and colluding with our enemies to destroy us from within.
>> > We should also investigate whether they are working for some anti-
>> > Indian agency. It is our national duty to expose these fifth
>> > columnists and discredit them in public eye.
>> >
>> > Narain Kataria
>> >
>> > End of forwarded message from Narain Kataria
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>> >
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>> > not
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 6:04 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <4b79fa78$0$12423$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

>> From: "cornholio" <andxornot@gmail.com>
>>
>> When will people of other faiths and races be able
>> to immigrate to India and become citizens thereof?

> you need 2 things:
> - a little cash, ok some cash.
> - be able to speak sanskrit

A few more requirements:

o Not be a racist
o Be of good moral character
o Have no criminal record
o Not be a Christian or Muslim missionary
o Learn and understand Hindu history not written by foreigners

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


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