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* ELTON JOHN CLAIMS JESUS WAS HOMOSEXUAL - 1 messages, 1 author
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* why aus is so violent - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* UK RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS FORCED TO PROMOTE ABORTION, HOMOSEXUALITY UNDER SEX-ED
BILL - 9 messages, 6 authors
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* Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam -
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* PAKISTAN CAN BLOW UP BHARAT, CLAIMS A. Q. KHAN - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: ELTON JOHN CLAIMS JESUS WAS HOMOSEXUAL
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:34 pm
From: Hunter

Seon Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hm0avd$o21$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:hlv5o4$btu$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)"
>>>>> wrote in message news:20100220Rfd90u9cqQanSG0XI41maP5@HeZ01...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57=A0pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>>>> > their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>>>> > negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>>>> > one's bedroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your just as bad as the church that you claim to be fighting
>>>>> against. You'd make an excellent Muslim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now now, you're stereotyping again. Militant Christians and Hindus
>>>> are every bit as much against poofs as militant Muslims. Shit, the
>>>> bloke you're replying to, doc jai, is a well known Hindu extremist
>>>> terrorist American for example. Strangely though I think he
>>>> protesteth too loudeth considering a while back him and harmony were
>>>> out'ed as lifelong rectum rangers who are completely devoted to one
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I couldn't give a fuck what someone else does in the
>>>> privacy of their own home as long as I don't have to see it or hear
>>>> about it. It's fucking disgusting, but each to their own as long as
>>>> they're not bothering anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Exactly. Plus I can think of a few disgusting things straight couples
>>> do but if both parties are adults and it's concessional and in the
>>> privacy of their own bedroom I don't give a fuck about them as well.
>>> It's non of my business.
>>>
>>> I guess I just thought Hindus were tolerant and didn't hate gay
>>> people like Militant Christians and Muslims (I know some Christians
>>> who don't hate gay people but the fundies sure do). But I used to
>>> think Bahais were tolerant until I found out practicing homosexuals
>>> were shunned. So maybe the other religions are not as tolerant as I
>>> thought.
>>
>>
>> Hindu's tolerant? Shit, read a newspaper from India one day.... Makes
>> Australia look like Disneyland.
>>
> Well if that usenet guy is anything like the majority of Hindus you were
> right.

jai and harmony aren't Indian, jai has been a yank for most of his life,
and harmony doesn't know what he is, just a stateless parasite.

There are plenty of very good people in India, but unfortunately many
areas still lack decent education and are at the mercy of local
primitive "leaders" who preach hatred over race/religion/whatever-else.

It's been the same all over the world at different times, people who
don't have communication with the rest of the world (ala Internet,
travel and so on) and don't have a real education, and live in insular
communities, perpetuate ancient and primitive hatreds and tabboos.

As education and communication spreads people get to see the much bigger
picture and slowly but surely reject the teachings of these fuckwits.
India will get there, but with a population of their size it's a very
difficult task to root out and repair this sort of thing but as time
goes on things will sort themselves out.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:32 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223Lh4B3evr6rwI23R624x34rb@Fb5lp...
> In article <4b7edb7f$0$12447$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g9idnYwupc-TxePWnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>> >
>> >
>> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4b7d59a3$0$12455$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others killed.
>> >>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
>> >>>> canbera
>> >>>> and straighten out the mess.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> What about India? Your racist government believes they are superior
>> >>> just
>> >>> because they lie and say they have had more lives. The racist
>> >>> barbaric
>> >>> caste system is even worse then our system. Hypocrite.
>> >>
>> >> lookie here, dear. no opposition political party in india is makin an
>> >> issue of things you are cookin up in well known predictable kirastani
>> >> style. but we all know for a fact that the aus opposition is making an
>> >> issue of religion there. there.
>> >>
>> > Your freaking government believes in the caste system! Why is it ok for
>> > one government to advocate a religion but bad for another government to
>> > advocate another? All religion is a bunch of made up fairy tales that
>> > brainwash children and try to control us.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> "govt believes in caste system"? what the heck does that mean?
>>
>> caste sytem is not religion, ok?
>> speaking of brainwashing, you got a whole bunch of unlearning to do about
>> caste. the church has done a number on ya - so, what else is new?
>
> Most people don't know that the word "caste" is foreign to Bharat.
>
Even though you are a hater I will point out that Brittan was the one who
introduced the caste system so they could use it to control people. It has
as much to do with Hinduism and Binladen has to do with Islam.

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:56 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <nKudnQbeCZa6-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4b7edb7f$0$12447$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >>
> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:g9idnYwupc-TxePWnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:4b7d59a3$0$12455$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> >> >>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they have
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others killed.
> >> >>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
> >> >>>> canbera
> >> >>>> and straighten out the mess.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> What about India? Your racist government believes they are superior
> >> >>> just
> >> >>> because they lie and say they have had more lives. The racist
> >> >>> barbaric
> >> >>> caste system is even worse then our system. Hypocrite.
> >> >>
> >> >> lookie here, dear. no opposition political party in india is makin an
> >> >> issue of things you are cookin up in well known predictable kirastani
> >> >> style. but we all know for a fact that the aus opposition is making an
> >> >> issue of religion there. there.
> >> >>
> >> > Your freaking government believes in the caste system! Why is it ok for
> >> > one government to advocate a religion but bad for another government to
> >> > advocate another? All religion is a bunch of made up fairy tales that
> >> > brainwash children and try to control us.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> "govt believes in caste system"? what the heck does that mean?
> >>
> >> caste sytem is not religion, ok?
> >> speaking of brainwashing, you got a whole bunch of unlearning to do about
> >> caste. the church has done a number on ya - so, what else is new?

> > Most people don't know that the word "caste" is foreign to Bharat.
> > - Jai Maharaj

> Even though you are a hater . . .

I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or Christian.
I am a Hindu.

> I will point out that Brittan was the one who
> introduced the caste system so they could use it to control people. It has
> as much to do with Hinduism and Binladen has to do with Islam.

My post from last year:

HINDUISM IS NOT TO BLAME FOR TYRANNY OF CASTE SYSTEM

By Dr. Vidya Bhushan Gupta

The vast majority of Westerners believe that Hinduism ranks its
followers according to caste.

Missionaries have used caste to convert Hindus, and politicians
throughout the world have used it to chastise India for social ills
ranging from poverty to nuclear explosions. Hindus have been tarred
with labels such as "Homo hierarchical." And Hinduism has been
characterized as a religion that teaches indifference to the plight
of fellow human beings.

Is the doctrine of caste rooted in revealed Hindu scriptures? Or
did victorious invaders insert it into secondary scriptures in
order to maintain their dominance?

The Vedas, Hinduism's only revealed scriptures, mention varna (from
Sanskrit root vri, meaning "to choose"), a fourfold classification
of chosen vocations. According to the allegory of cosmic Purusha in
the Vedas, all people are created from the same God. The
intellectuals are Brahmins who, like the brain of the cosmic
Purusha, think and speak; the warriors, like the arms, defend;
vaisyas (traders and farmers), like the thighs and the abdomen,
produce and consume; and the shudras (untouchables), like the feet,
do physical labor.

A text in the great Indian epic "Mahabharata" categorically states
that originally there were no classes; all people were Brahmanic to
begin with. The existing distribution arose from character and
occupation. Those given to sensual pleasures and violence became
warriors; those who subsisted by agriculture became vaisyas, and so
on. Thus, group membership was determined by aptitude and attitude,
not by birth.

In ancient times, there were examples of people who moved from one
class to another because of the vocation they chose. For example,
Valmiki, who was an untouchable, became a Brahmin, author, and a
sage after he changed his wild ways and wrote the Hindu epic
"Raamaayan."

Caste or jati as we see today, the hierarchical division of society
into about 2,000 rigid professional groups, is not mentioned in the
Vedas; however, the word "jati" is mentioned once as a group of
people born from a common progenitor. Caste seems to have been
juxtaposed on the concept of varna in secondary Hindu scriptures
such as the Puranas and Manusmriti at a later date. According to
one of the Puranas, in the beginning of time the whole human race
was of uniform perfection and happiness. Separation into castes did
not take place until a later time, when human behavior
deteriorated.

We can only speculate about the reasons for the corruption of these
secondary scriptures. Was it done to maintain the dominance of the
victorious Aryans over the dark-skinned Dravidians (another meaning
of the word "varna" is color)? Was it done to maintain a constant
supply of skilled and semiskilled laborers?

Assigning a specific role to every individual helped India maintain
social order in the face of the barbarian attacks in medieval
times, according to Abbe Dubois, a Christian missionary who worked
in India in the last century. A similar order was also prevalent in
ancient Egypt.

Although this rigid division of labor helped Indian villages
survive political upheavals, it became an instrument of
exploitation and oppression. People who were born from a union of
higher and lower castes and those who did not belong to any caste
became pariahs or untouchables, living on the fringes of society.

Caste is a sociocultural phenomenon in South Asia, not an article
of Hindu faith. Even the most conservative Muslims of Pakistan and
Sikhs of Punjab are caste-conscious. A 27-year-old Pakistani man
attending an American university was prohibited by his conservative
Muslim father from marrying a woman out of his caste. High-caste
Sikhs do not marry among low-caste Sikhs.

Such distinctions are not unusual in societies that have a long
history of colonialism. Catholics were treated as belonging to a
lower caste during the heyday of British rule in Ireland. The
British treated Indians of all castes as pariahs during the days of
the Raj. Slavery existed among the Hebrews in ancient Israel. St.
Paul regarded slavery as legal. "Let every man remain in the
calling in whch he was called. Wast thou a slave when called? Let
it not trouble thee" (1 Corinthians 7:2O-21).

St. Augustine considered slavery an expression of divine order, as
a punishment for sins. Thus the Hindu scriptures cannot be faulted
for caste any more than the Bible can be faulted for slavery.
Social evils are a product of the time, and scriptures should be
interpreted in their historical context.

Though the injustice of the caste system lingers in sections of
Indian society, Hindus and the Indian government have made great
efforts to eliminate this evil. Two reformers of the 19th century,
Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Swami Dayananda, worked tirelessly to argue
the case against casteism.

Dayananda correctly interpreted the Vedas to prove that varna does
not refer to color but to choice, to choose a profession according
to one's aptitude and attitude. Mahatma Gandhi embraced the
untouchables as children of God, lived among them, and died among
them.

India's founding fathers abolished untouchability in 1949 and
incorporated an affirmative-action plan in the constitution. The
Indian constitution guarantees 22.5 percent of the seats for
untouchables and people of lower castes. Affirmative action has
increased to the extent of 50 percent in a few states. India's
current president is from a lower class.

Short of a revolution followed by authoritarian rule, this is the
best Hindus could have done to redeem themselves from the social
sin of caste. Let's not disregard Hinduism's positive aspects:
seeing the world as one family; looking at the virtues in others,
not at their color or caste; and recognizing that God of one color
has produced people of different colors for beauty's sake.
Meanwhile, we must maintain the reform that began more than 50
years ago.

- - -

DR. VIDYA BHUSHAN GUPTA of Closter specializes in
developmental-behavioral pediatrics. He teaches at
two hospitals affiliated with the New York Medical
College and holds a research appointment at Columbia
University. He has written a handbook of developmental-
behavioral pediatrics and has published widely in
scientific journals and in the lay press. A native of
India who came to the United States in 1984, he edited
the newsletter of the Arya Samaj of Bergen County from
1991-1992 and translated Sandhya, the daily prayer of
the Hindus, into English.

* * *

"There is no superior caste. The Universe is the work of the
Immense Being. The beings created by him were only divided into
castes according to their aptitude."
- Mahaabharat, Shanti Parva 188

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Jai Maharaj
Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer
Om Shanti

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:24 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223I1cZBam5Tl0DBFPgKfM3aLJ@E897Z...
> In article <nKudnQbeCZa6-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > In article <4b7edb7f$0$12447$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
>> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:g9idnYwupc-TxePWnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:4b7d59a3$0$12455$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >> >>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others
>> >> >>>> killed.
>> >> >>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
>> >> >>>> canbera
>> >> >>>> and straighten out the mess.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> What about India? Your racist government believes they are
>> >> >>> superior
>> >> >>> just
>> >> >>> because they lie and say they have had more lives. The racist
>> >> >>> barbaric
>> >> >>> caste system is even worse then our system. Hypocrite.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> lookie here, dear. no opposition political party in india is makin
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> issue of things you are cookin up in well known predictable
>> >> >> kirastani
>> >> >> style. but we all know for a fact that the aus opposition is making
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> issue of religion there. there.
>> >> >>
>> >> > Your freaking government believes in the caste system! Why is it ok
>> >> > for
>> >> > one government to advocate a religion but bad for another government
>> >> > to
>> >> > advocate another? All religion is a bunch of made up fairy tales
>> >> > that
>> >> > brainwash children and try to control us.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> "govt believes in caste system"? what the heck does that mean?
>> >>
>> >> caste sytem is not religion, ok?
>> >> speaking of brainwashing, you got a whole bunch of unlearning to do
>> >> about
>> >> caste. the church has done a number on ya - so, what else is new?
>
>> > Most people don't know that the word "caste" is foreign to Bharat.
>> > - Jai Maharaj
>
>> Even though you are a hater . . .
>
> I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or Christian.
> I am a Hindu.
>
>> I will point out that Brittan was the one who
>> introduced the caste system so they could use it to control people. It
>> has
>> as much to do with Hinduism and Binladen has to do with Islam.
>
> My post from last year:
>
> HINDUISM IS NOT TO BLAME FOR TYRANNY OF CASTE SYSTEM
>
> By Dr. Vidya Bhushan Gupta
>
> The vast majority of Westerners believe that Hinduism ranks its
> followers according to caste.
>
> Missionaries have used caste to convert Hindus, and politicians
> throughout the world have used it to chastise India for social ills
> ranging from poverty to nuclear explosions. Hindus have been tarred
> with labels such as "Homo hierarchical." And Hinduism has been
> characterized as a religion that teaches indifference to the plight
> of fellow human beings.
>
> Is the doctrine of caste rooted in revealed Hindu scriptures? Or
> did victorious invaders insert it into secondary scriptures in
> order to maintain their dominance?
>
> The Vedas, Hinduism's only revealed scriptures, mention varna (from
> Sanskrit root vri, meaning "to choose"), a fourfold classification
> of chosen vocations. According to the allegory of cosmic Purusha in
> the Vedas, all people are created from the same God. The
> intellectuals are Brahmins who, like the brain of the cosmic
> Purusha, think and speak; the warriors, like the arms, defend;
> vaisyas (traders and farmers), like the thighs and the abdomen,
> produce and consume; and the shudras (untouchables), like the feet,
> do physical labor.
>
> A text in the great Indian epic "Mahabharata" categorically states
> that originally there were no classes; all people were Brahmanic to
> begin with. The existing distribution arose from character and
> occupation. Those given to sensual pleasures and violence became
> warriors; those who subsisted by agriculture became vaisyas, and so
> on. Thus, group membership was determined by aptitude and attitude,
> not by birth.
>
> In ancient times, there were examples of people who moved from one
> class to another because of the vocation they chose. For example,
> Valmiki, who was an untouchable, became a Brahmin, author, and a
> sage after he changed his wild ways and wrote the Hindu epic
> "Raamaayan."
>
> Caste or jati as we see today, the hierarchical division of society
> into about 2,000 rigid professional groups, is not mentioned in the
> Vedas; however, the word "jati" is mentioned once as a group of
> people born from a common progenitor. Caste seems to have been
> juxtaposed on the concept of varna in secondary Hindu scriptures
> such as the Puranas and Manusmriti at a later date. According to
> one of the Puranas, in the beginning of time the whole human race
> was of uniform perfection and happiness. Separation into castes did
> not take place until a later time, when human behavior
> deteriorated.
>
> We can only speculate about the reasons for the corruption of these
> secondary scriptures. Was it done to maintain the dominance of the
> victorious Aryans over the dark-skinned Dravidians (another meaning
> of the word "varna" is color)? Was it done to maintain a constant
> supply of skilled and semiskilled laborers?
>
> Assigning a specific role to every individual helped India maintain
> social order in the face of the barbarian attacks in medieval
> times, according to Abbe Dubois, a Christian missionary who worked
> in India in the last century. A similar order was also prevalent in
> ancient Egypt.
>
> Although this rigid division of labor helped Indian villages
> survive political upheavals, it became an instrument of
> exploitation and oppression. People who were born from a union of
> higher and lower castes and those who did not belong to any caste
> became pariahs or untouchables, living on the fringes of society.
>
> Caste is a sociocultural phenomenon in South Asia, not an article
> of Hindu faith. Even the most conservative Muslims of Pakistan and
> Sikhs of Punjab are caste-conscious. A 27-year-old Pakistani man
> attending an American university was prohibited by his conservative
> Muslim father from marrying a woman out of his caste. High-caste
> Sikhs do not marry among low-caste Sikhs.
>
> Such distinctions are not unusual in societies that have a long
> history of colonialism. Catholics were treated as belonging to a
> lower caste during the heyday of British rule in Ireland. The
> British treated Indians of all castes as pariahs during the days of
> the Raj. Slavery existed among the Hebrews in ancient Israel. St.
> Paul regarded slavery as legal. "Let every man remain in the
> calling in whch he was called. Wast thou a slave when called? Let
> it not trouble thee" (1 Corinthians 7:2O-21).
>
> St. Augustine considered slavery an expression of divine order, as
> a punishment for sins. Thus the Hindu scriptures cannot be faulted
> for caste any more than the Bible can be faulted for slavery.
> Social evils are a product of the time, and scriptures should be
> interpreted in their historical context.
>
> Though the injustice of the caste system lingers in sections of
> Indian society, Hindus and the Indian government have made great
> efforts to eliminate this evil. Two reformers of the 19th century,
> Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Swami Dayananda, worked tirelessly to argue
> the case against casteism.
>
> Dayananda correctly interpreted the Vedas to prove that varna does
> not refer to color but to choice, to choose a profession according
> to one's aptitude and attitude. Mahatma Gandhi embraced the
> untouchables as children of God, lived among them, and died among
> them.
>
> India's founding fathers abolished untouchability in 1949 and
> incorporated an affirmative-action plan in the constitution. The
> Indian constitution guarantees 22.5 percent of the seats for
> untouchables and people of lower castes. Affirmative action has
> increased to the extent of 50 percent in a few states. India's
> current president is from a lower class.
>
> Short of a revolution followed by authoritarian rule, this is the
> best Hindus could have done to redeem themselves from the social
> sin of caste. Let's not disregard Hinduism's positive aspects:
> seeing the world as one family; looking at the virtues in others,
> not at their color or caste; and recognizing that God of one color
> has produced people of different colors for beauty's sake.
> Meanwhile, we must maintain the reform that began more than 50
> years ago.
>
> - - -
>
> DR. VIDYA BHUSHAN GUPTA of Closter specializes in
> developmental-behavioral pediatrics. He teaches at
> two hospitals affiliated with the New York Medical
> College and holds a research appointment at Columbia
> University. He has written a handbook of developmental-
> behavioral pediatrics and has published widely in
> scientific journals and in the lay press. A native of
> India who came to the United States in 1984, he edited
> the newsletter of the Arya Samaj of Bergen County from
> 1991-1992 and translated Sandhya, the daily prayer of
> the Hindus, into English.
>
> * * *
>
> "There is no superior caste. The Universe is the work of the
> Immense Being. The beings created by him were only divided into
> castes according to their aptitude."
> - Mahaabharat, Shanti Parva 188
>
> [ Subject: Hinduism is not to blame for tyranny of caste system
> [ Newsgroups:soc.culture.punjab,soc.culture.indian,
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>
> Jai Maharaj
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> Om Shanti
>
> "A king, though endowed with little prowess,
> starting on an expedition at the proper time, in
> view of the good positions of the planets, achieves
> greatness that is eulogised in the scriptures."
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I'm even more confused now. What is a aptitude and why is one group more
superior than the other? Obviously the British tried to use it for their own
advantage.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:32 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:61d55abe-8eaf-4da9-9f5d-a1a3d0c044b0@q2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 19, 4:18 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:yZkfn.8556$pv.5147@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Chris Diesel" <die...@noaddress.com.au> wrote in message
>> >news:4b7dce1b$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:Jyifn.8513$pv.6275@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> >>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
>> >>>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they
>> >>>>> have a
>> >>>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others
>> >>>>> killed.
>> >>>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
>> >>>>> canbera
>> >>>>> and straighten out the mess.
>>
>> >>>>>http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>>
>> >>>> What about India?
>>
>> >>> It is a rotten state ruled by a mediocre foreign (and white) woman
>> >>> with
>> >>> very many corrupted or stupid sycophants in her tow. She is voted to
>> >>> power because the population thinks that the right-wing alternative
>> >>> (harmony-class bundurrHindus supported by jBm-class bundurrJews and
>> >>> their
>> >>> rich and unscrupulous WASP slaves) is worse.
>>
>> >>>> Your racist government believes they are superior just because they
>> >>>> lie
>> >>>> and say they have had more lives.
>>
>> >>> The government of India has had nothing good or useful to do with
>> >>> genuine
>> >>> Indians for nearly a thousand years. Because India has been enslaved
>> >>> for
>> >>> nearly a thousand years, and the process continues.
>>
>> It sounds like politicians in Australia. Most of us don't want an ETS but
>> the government is still pushing it. I am willing to admit that the
>> government uses Hinduism as an excuse to maintain their control. That's
>> what
>> governments do.
>
> I don't know what you mean. Does the Aus govt use Hinduism as an
> excuse to maintain control - like, do they say sotto voce that if you
> don't do this or that we will all turn Hindus and look at what the
> Hindus are like in India?
>
No in Australia all religious groups have equal rights and can practice
their own religion. While some politicians may be devoutly Christian that
doesn't mean it is run on religious principles (despite what the liar Petzl
may tell you) we are a secular country.

>> >>>> The racist barbaric caste system is even worse then our system.
>>
>> >>> heh-heh, why do oz racists have issues with the Indian caste system?
>> >>> Caste is not racist at all - it is endogamous and very useful. For
>> >>> it
>> >>> allows the retention of skills, group values and unity, in an
>> >>> atmosphere
>> >>> of personal freedom, and quite irrespective of state authority.
>>
>> Why do Indian racists have a problem with aus racists? Lol
>
> They are of different colours, and experience competition. One lot
> tries to gain a footing, the other lot tries to dislodge.
>
>> Holly crap while researching it I came across this wikipedia article
>>
>> Faced with a bewildering array of thousands of autonomous and
>> hierarchically
>> fluid communities (Jatis), the late 19th century British colonial
>> administration decided to categorise and rank the entire Hindu population
>> of
>> India by placing each of the Jatis within the theoretical Varna scheme
>> for
>> the purposes of the decennial Census, and ostensibly for eventual
>> administrative convenience.[citation needed] The 1901 Census was led by
>> Herbert Hope Risley, an ICS officer with strong pet racial beliefs about
>> the
>> Indian population. Simultaneous with this first ever codification into
>> secular law of Varna-based caste identities during the British empire,
>> communities (Jatis) sought to place themselves on higher levels of Varna
>> categories. On the other hand, most of the Jatis grouped into the lower
>> caste categories rejected the Varna categories as they found this
>> arbitrary
>> classification unreasonable, unfair and unacceptable, as it did not
>> reflect
>> the reality. This newly frozen materialization of caste created a growing
>> resentment firstly against the system itself and secondly against the
>> Brahmins, who were seen to be the beneficiaries of the arrangement which
>> now
>> officially anointed their place at the top of the social hierarchy. The
>> revolt of the Justice Party and Periyar in the south, by the Maharaja of
>> Kolhapur and the outstanding scholar Dr Ambedkar in western India against
>> this, in the early decades of the twentieth century, has had a profound,
>> long-lasting impact on the Indian society and politics, which continues
>> to
>> this date.
>>
>> Dude the Caste system was started by British racists! Why the hell do you
>> still have it in place! That's fucked up man.
>
> I don't think you understood what you yourself quoted. The quote was
> very useful, by the way, so thanks. There has always been enormous
> competition among the jatis in India, just as there is competition
> between the white and non-white racists in Australia now. Two
> different castes, see?
>
Yeah I re read it and now get it. They existed in India at the time but the
British turned it racist, right? And there is competition but we don't
exclude any group based on skin color.

>> >> You accuses Australians of being racist
>>
>> > When I say "oz racists" I mean just that. I don't accuse all
>> > Australians
>> > of being racist, I say that there are such things as oz racists. It
>> > does
>> > NOT mean that all Australians are racists. You have comprehension
>> > issues,
>> > I am afraid.
>> > There are most certainly horrible racists in Australia, and the
>> > Herald-Sun
>> > has just published the photos of two white racists who beat a sweet
>> > harmless black Sudanese boy to death just because he was black and they
>> > wanted a beat him to death simply because he was black. Since these
>> > two
>> > racists are now in jail, put there by decent Australians who form the
>> > majority that is, there is no question of this majority supporting the
>> > racist murderers.
>> > Life here in Australia is rather less violent on the whole. Going by
>> > my
>> > own experience, that is. But then, I have led a comparatively
>> > privileged
>> > life here, and the new immigrants are facing much more hardship than I
>> > had
>> > to.
>> > Of course, any non-white can be murdered by the racists, as this guy
>> > was.
>> > But in India, too, you could be shot or blown up by Sikh terrorists,
>> > Muslim fanatics, ideologically driven Naxals, police shootings,
>> > religious
>> > riots, wars, etc. Then there are the ordinary criminals, who while
>> > comparatively non-violent are nevertheless not exactly peaceful. Then
>> > there are diseases, famines, floods, strikes, gheraos, processions,
>> > snakes... no end to excitement of a perilous nature in India.
>> > Just the luck of the draw - if you get the short straw, you are up for
>> > it!
>>
>> See the majority of Australians are against those racist thugs. But where
>> is
>> the evidence that attack was racially motivated? Is that what the police
>> said?
>
> In this case, it definitely was racially motivated and the Herald-Sun
> gave a front-page report. The judge thought the attack was racially
> motivated. The defendant said that he had once helped a black guy,
> but that was not extenuating.
>
Ok maybe that one was but why is it whenever there is an attack the Indian
media says it is racist? Sure they are racist morons in Australia who give
this great country a bad name. But not every crime committed is racist.

>> Why is it when white people commit a crime against a minority they are
>> racist but when a minority commits a crime against a white person the
>> crime
>> is not racially motivated?
>
> It may be that the white guy does it for sport/fun (as in this
> instance) whereas the black guy does it out of criminality (for
> robbery, etc.) If the black guy says he did it for sport/fun then
> yes it is racially motivated.
>
But what happens if the white guy does it because of a robbery and would
have targeted the student no matter what his or her skin color is? Is that
racist?

>> >> and them claim the Indian Caste
>> >> system is not racist.
>>
>> > It is not racist, as I said. It is however endogamous, meaning that
>> > one
>> > marries within the caste. Within the caste you may have black, brown,
>> > yellow, white complexions - these complexions corresponding ot various
>> > races are all acceptable in principle but the fairer the colouring the
>> > higher the chances of appreciation. So the caste system is not
>> > racist -
>> > but if the racists want to maintain their racism, caste is a useful
>> > system
>> > to follow. That way, a white caste could remain white, by being
>> > endogamous
>> > (whites only marrying whites). Thus, oz racists (did I mean you?) need
>> > not knock the caste system, as it should suit them. In other words,
>> > caste
>> > is not racist but racists could use caste to maintain their racism. Do
>> > you understand? This is an important point.
>>
>> It was started by the British. Of course it's racist!!!
>
> No, the jati system existed for millenia. The British tried to put the
> jatis under the varna system, and the different varnas they renamed as
> castes. I don't think you understand, but never mind.
>>
>> >> Now I've heard it all, that would have to be one of
>> >> the most stupid statements I've ever heard!
>>
>> > Please read what I have written a bit more carefully, if you can.
>>
>> I didn't write the other stuff.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:41 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

U.K. Religious Schools Forced to Promote Abortion, Homosexuality under Sex-Ed Bill

By Hilary White
lifesitenews.com
Monday, February 22, 2010

London, February 23, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Britain's Labour
government clarified this week that an amendment to the Children,
Schools and Families bill, that says faith schools may teach the
mandatory Personal Social and Health Education (PSHE) program "in a
way that reflects the school's religious character," does not, in
fact, give the schools freedom to oppose abortion, contraception and
homosexual activity on moral grounds.

The clarification has been hailed by a local pro-life and pro-family
group as evidence that the spectre of "totalitarianism" has
reappeared in Britain.

A recent statement [1] from the Department for Children, Schools and
Families (DCSF), made in response to protests from homosexualist
groups against the government amendment, said, "Faith schools cannot
opt out of statutory [sex and relationships education] lessons when
it comes into effect in September 2011."

"All maintained schools and academies will be required to teach the
full programmes of study in line with the principles outlined in the
Bill including promoting equality and encouraging acceptance of
diversity. Schools with a religious character will be free, as they
are now, to express the views of their faith and reflect the ethos of
their school, but what they cannot do is suggest that their views are
the only ones."

The statement quotes Minister Ed Balls telling the Daily Telegraph
that religious schools should indeed be "forced" to teach pupils that
homosexuality is "normal and harmless."

Balls said, "If their faith has a view in scripture, they can inform
pupils of that. What they must not do is teach discrimination. They
must be absolutely clear about the importance of civil partnerships
[and that] bullying of homosexuals is wrong." This is in line with
previous statements [2] from Labour ministers that religious schools
will not be allowed to teach their religious tenets "as if they are
true."

On Tuesday, Balls told BBC Radio 4's Today program that in addition
to promoting homosexuality, religious schools will also be required
to promote abortion as a solution to unplanned pregnancy.

Until the passage of this bill, religious schools had the option to
teach children that homosexual activity, abortion and contraception
are wrong. But that situation, he said, "changes radically with this
bill."

"What this changes is that for the first time these schools cannot
just ignore these issues or teach only one side of the argument. They
also have to teach that there are different views on homosexuality.
They cannot teach homophobia. They must explain civil partnership.

"They must give a balanced view on abortion, they must give both
sides of the argument, they must explain how to access an abortion,
the same is true on contraception as well," Balls said. Balls backed
up [3] his insistence that faith schools will be forced to abandon
their religious beliefs, in a letter to the London Times.

Balls went on to thank Archbishop Vincent Nichols, the head of the
English Catholic Bishops' Conference of England and Wales, and the
Catholic Education Service (CES) for their support of the bill. It
was revealed [4] by the government last week that the CES had
actually assisted in drafting the legislation.

Balls said, "To have the support of the Catholic Church and
Archbishop Nichols in these changes is, I think, very, very
important, is a huge step forward. . . The Catholic Church, which I
really welcome, is supporting, for the first time, compulsory sex
education with an opt out at 15 [years]."

Anthony Ozimic, communications manager for the Society for the
Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC), told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN),
"People outside the UK must know that the British government's
ideologues are just as radical but even more cunning than the French
Revolutionaries."

SPUC is lobbying against the passage of the bill, and accuses CES of
collaborating with a radically secularist, anti-Christian government
that is bent on expanding abortion and homosexuality and suppressing
freedom of religious expression.

After the Catholic Education Service took credit for the government's
amendment implying that faith schools will be allowed to teach their
religious tenets, SPUC responded, "The only people likely to be
pleased with the press reports about the misinterpretation of this
amendment are the Catholic Education Service (CES), who want Catholic
parents and Catholic schools to think they are sticking up for them,
when in fact they are betraying their principles."

Paul Tully, SPUC's political manager, said that CES has only helped
the bill to pass by pursuing the amendment. "SPUC condemns the action
of the Catholic Education Service (CES) . . . The CES does not
represent Catholic teaching on sex education, and its betrayal of
Catholic families is widely lamented within the Catholic Church."

Anthony Ozimic said, "Compromise and accommodation with this
government will result, not in government concessions, but in
increased persecution of those who stand up for life and family.

"Catholics in particular have been placed in this grave situation by
an unholy alliance, forged by the fake Catholic Tony Blair, between
the English bishops and the Labour government. The spectre of
totalitarianism, which was seen from Britain in Eastern Europe during
the Cold War, has reappeared, this time in Britain itself."

[1] http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/news/index.cfm?event=news.item&id=response_to_comments_by_the_accord_coalition_about_the_children_schools_and_families_bill
[2] http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/mar/07030504.html
[3] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article7036662.ece
[4] http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10021203.html

More at:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10022306.html

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 6:36 pm
From: "W.T.S."

"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223R64P5W39ZSeqbWFs1qy705M@K9rI5...
> U.K. Religious Schools Forced to Promote Abortion, Homosexuality under
> Sex-Ed Bill
> By Hilary White
> lifesitenews.com
> Monday, February 22, 2010
"lifesitenews", Please, let us control your life! Why, because we always
know better, that's why.
Thank God! A government wise enough to tell religious schools what they can
and can't teach!
When will the U.S.A. catch up to the U.K.
Religion, bad. Sex education, a blessing from god .
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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:28 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted, they
are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
bashers like you.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted, they
> are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
> bashers like you.

No, I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
I am a Hindu. And if you publish your false accusation again, and if I
see it, I'll deny it again.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:07 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted, they
>> are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
>> bashers like you.
>
>No, I am not a hater;

Yes, you most certainly are.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:29 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223F19lK6MTw2ia2n2u00g2b7v@ED41E...
> In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted, they
>> are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
>> bashers like you.
>
> No, I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> I am a Hindu. And if you publish your false accusation again, and if I
> see it, I'll deny it again.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>

> Homosexuality is a perversion

Yes indeed.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

Sounds like hate to me. That is what Christians and Muslims think as well.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:27 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4b84a5e7$0$1620$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>>In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>>
>>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted,
>>> they
>>> are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
>>> bashers like you.
>>
>>No, I am not a hater;
>
> Yes, you most certainly are.
>
Haters always deny they are haters. Why can't they just accept they are
haters?

> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfischer@sonic.net
>

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:40 pm
From: "P. Rajah"

Ray Fischer wrote:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>> In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted, they
>>> are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't matter to gay
>>> bashers like you.
>> No, I am not a hater;
>
> Yes, you most certainly are.

A partial list of Jay Stevens Maharaj's hatreds can be found here:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jai_Maharaj

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 9:02 pm
From: " Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""malcum.fabian.isagutless.wanker\"@
kangarooistan.com.au is a stupid arselifting troll .
">

P. Rajah wrote:
> Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>>> In article <sYWdnTFAUN9LARnWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, "Seon
>>> Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>>> Need any more evidence you are a hater? They are not being promoted,
>>>> they are being taught nto to hate gay people. But that doesn't
>>>> matter to gay bashers like you.
>>> No, I am not a hater;
>>
>> Yes, you most certainly are.
>
> A partial list of Jay Stevens Maharaj's hatreds can be found here:
> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jai_Maharaj

Thank you for that link. Very informative.

I wonder how he would react if someone else started socking him by posting with
his ID?

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TOPIC: Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:48 pm
From: "P. Rajah"

Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead wrote:

> In article <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>>
>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
> Dhanyavaad for your post.
> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?

Not in Kashmir and all along the Indo-Pak border, they won't. But
hopefully, the bloodsucking jyotishitheads will soon be neutralized as
Indians become more globally aware.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 4:02 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <htudnaLM_tmc-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>
>
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
>
> > In article
> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> >>
> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html

> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti

> Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would like to
> join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate gay
> people.

I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
I am a Hindu.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 5:33 pm
From: fanabba

On Feb 23, 3:31�pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> �fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>
>
>
> > Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>
> >http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
>
> Dhanyavaad for your post.
> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

You are welcome !
It sure looks like that !

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 6:27 pm
From: "Doug"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100223E0o446EFHYU7C2FHKMuKbKn@Swa7U...
> In article <hm1fc7$2km$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>> > In article
>> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
>> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>> >>
>> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
>> >> Islam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
>> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
>> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
>> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
>> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>
>> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
>> Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>
>
> Read about the history of Bharat. Also read about the forced conversions
> by Christians.
>

I'd like to see proof of these "forced conversions". BTW, I'm not really
interested in
hearing about evernts that occured 300 years ago or more.

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:14 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223Izz822qIZ7A7Vt3USk2Ya04@VwUBJ...
> In article <htudnaLM_tmc-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
>>
>> > In article
>> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
>> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>> >>
>> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
>> >> Islam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
>> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
>> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
>> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
>> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>
>> Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would like
>> to
>> join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate gay
>> people.
>
> I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> I am a Hindu.
>
But you hate gay people. Your previous posts clearly show that.

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:20 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <6tydncjryI_jBBnWnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <htudnaLM_tmc-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> > "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
> >>
> >> > In article
> >> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> >> >>
> >> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
> >> >> Islam
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
> >
> >> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> >> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> >> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> >> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would like
> >> to
> >> join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate gay
> >> people.
> >
> > I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> > I am a Hindu.

> But you hate gay people. Your previous posts clearly show that.

No, I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
I am a Hindu. And if you publish your false accusation again, and if I
see it, I'll deny it again.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 7:58 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <hm22qb$gqc$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <hm1fc7$2km$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> > In article
> >> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> >> >>
> >> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
> >> >> Islam
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
> >
> >> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> >> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> >> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> >> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti

> >> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> >> Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>

> > Read about the history of Bharat. Also read about the forced conversions
> > by Christians. - Jai Maharaj

> I'd like to see proof of these "forced conversions". BTW, I'm not really
> interested in
> hearing about evernts that occured 300 years ago or more.

Why, is there a 300-year statute of limitations? There are
numerous instances of forced conversions by Christians in this
day and age also. Here's a news item from http://christianaggression.com
that I posted four years ago:

[ Subject: CHRISTIAN AGGRESSION - 2 arrested for forcing woman to convert
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006

Two arrested for forcing woman to convert

Posted January 19, 2006
Kendrapada, Orissa
January 18, 2006 8:15:06 PM IST
webindia123.com

At least two persons have been arrested for allegedly
assaulting a Hindu woman and setting her house on fire in
Orissa after she refused to change her religion, police
said Wednesday.

The woman Kabita Mallik, a resident of Matiapada village
in the coastal district of Jajpur with two children to
support was eking out a meagre living doing household
work at nearby houses, ever since her husband disappeared
five years ago.

Her husband Purnachandra Mallick had gone to New Delhi to
work as a plumber, but did not return.

Three villagers Gunanidhi Mallick, Tikan Mallick and
Kulmani Mallick, recent converts to Christianity, were
persuading her to adopt a similar step, which she was
resisting, a senior district police official told IANS
citing the complaint lodged by the woman.

The trio Tuesday allegedly assaulted her and set afire
her thatched house as she refused to convert, according
to the complaint.

The fire also engulfed five nearby houses.

"Acting on the complaint, we have arrested Kulamani
Mallick and Gunanidhi Mallick on charges of attempting
forced conversion, assault on the woman and torching of
her house," the police official said.

Another culprit Tikan Mallick is absconding, he added.

The arrested persons were produced before the local sub-
divisional judicial magistrate's court Wednesday. The
court rejected their bail applications and remanded them
in judicial custody.

Meanwhile, tension mounted in the village and nearby
areas after this incident. Senior police officials rushed
to take stock of the situation.

While state Christian leaders described the charge as
false, leaders of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, who visited
the village, alleged that some people were forcing people
to convert, which was in gross violation of the Orissa
Hindu Religion Freedom Act.

More at:
http://christianaggression.com/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1137701056

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:07 pm
From: "P. Rajah"

Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead wrote:

> In article <htudnaLM_tmc-xnWnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted
>>
>>> In article
>>> <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>>>> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
>>> Dhanyavaad for your post.
>>> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
>>> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
>>> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>
>> Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would like to
>> join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate gay
>> people.
>
> I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> I am a Hindu.

No, you're not. You're a jyotishithead, which means you are the
embodiment of hatred, discrimination and every evil to be found in humanity.

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishithead

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:16 pm
From: "P. Rajah"

Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead wrote:

> In article <6tydncjryI_jBBnWnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>>[....]
>>> I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
>>> I am a Hindu.
>
>> But you hate gay people. Your previous posts clearly show that.
>
> No, I am not a hater; I was not brought up as a Muslim or a Christian.
> I am a Hindu. And if you publish your false accusation again, and if I
> see it, I'll deny it again.

Well, Jay, you have clearly established that you hate Christians,
Muslims, the western way of life, western philosophy, etc. Keeping that
in mind:

"One trusts that religions, philosophies and ways of life that are
enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of efficiency,
their mutual destruction is preferred."
Jay Stevens Maharaj, 1/12/10

Thus you have not only expressed hatred of most of the world, but also a
desire to "destroy" them. You have exposed yourself as a terrorist.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 8:35 pm
From: "P. Rajah"

Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead wrote:

> In article <hm22qb$gqc$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:
>> Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>>> In article <hm1fc7$2km$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:
>>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>>>>>> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
>>>>>> Islam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>>>>> Dhanyavaad for your post.
>>>>> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
>>>>> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
>>>>> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishithead
>>>>>
>
>>>> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
>>>> Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>
>
>>> Read about the history of Bharat. Also read about the forced conversions
>>> by Christians. - Jai Maharaj
>
>> I'd like to see proof of these "forced conversions". BTW, I'm not really
>> interested in
>> hearing about evernts that occured 300 years ago or more.
>
> Why, is there a 300-year statute of limitations? There are
> numerous instances of forced conversions by Christians in this
> day and age also. Here's a news item from http://christianaggression.com
> that I posted four years ago:
>
> [ Subject: CHRISTIAN AGGRESSION - 2 arrested for forcing woman to convert
> [ From: Jai Maharaj
> [ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006
>
> Two arrested for forcing woman to convert
>
> Posted January 19, 2006
> Kendrapada, Orissa
> January 18, 2006 8:15:06 PM IST
> webindia123.com
>
> At least two persons have been arrested for allegedly
> assaulting a Hindu woman and setting her house on fire in
> Orissa after she refused to change her religion, police
> said Wednesday.

Violence against Christians in the eastern India state of Orissa is the
worst ever to occur, claims a report from the All India Christian
Council (AICC).

Two reports published by the AICC asserts, Dalits - formerly known as
'Untouchables' - were the main group to be affected by the violence.

AICC sent four of their leaders to the area on a fact-finding mission
and says more than 95 churches were either vandalised or destroyed, 730
homes belonging to Christians being burned down.

The team revealed that the VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad) instigated the
attacks and carefully targeted Christians throughout Kandhamal District,
Orissa

"We are saddened to acknowledge the violence in Orissa will go into the
history books as an unprecedented attack on Christians in India. The
tragedy is deepened by proof that the violence was avoidable if the
authorities had enforced the rule of law," said Dr Joseph D'souza, AICC
President.

"Many have expressed outrage with the authorities and Hindutva
extremists whose actions hurt innocent people during Christmas - a
season of peace across the world.

"But we must express our anger and frustration in a peaceful manner,"
said D'souza.

National church bodies in India have demanded access to the troubled
Kandhamal region of Orissa state to distribute relief and visit the
families affected.

---------------------------------------------------

A Catholic nun was burnt alive by a group of Hindu fundamentalists who
stormed the orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh (Orissa), this
according to Police Superintendent Ashok Biswall. A priest who was at
the orphanage was also badly hurt and is now being treated in hospital
for multiple burns. Another nun from Bubaneshwarï¿½s Social Centre was
gang raped by groups of Hindu extremists before the building housing the
facility was set on fire. Sources also told AsiaNews that elsewhere one
priest was wounded and two other were abducted. The list of violent
anti-Christian acts is thus getting longer.

For the past two days the state of Orissa (north-east India) has been
racked by violence following the assassination of radical Hindu leader
Swami Laxanananda Saraswati.

Churches, community and pastoral centres, convents and orphanages have
been attacked yesterday and today by mobs shouting ï¿½Kill the Christians;
destroy their institutions.ï¿½

Tensions in the state are in fact still running high. The Vishwa Hindu
Parishad (VHP) has planned demonstrations for today and tomorrow. Gangs
of Hindu fanatics from the VHP as well as Sangh Parivar are roaming
roads and villages, setting up road blocks, sending their own members on
raids of plunder and violence.

According to firsthand accounts the archdioceseï¿½s social centre was
attacked and torched. Before that the attackers raped Sister Meena, a
nun working at the centre.

The local pastoral centre, which has escaped destruction in last
Decemberï¿½s violence, is now a total wreck. Father Thomas, who ran the
facility, is in hospital with serious head injuries.

Speaking to AsiaNews Fr Ajay Singh also said that a nun was burnt alive
in an orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh.

Elsewhere Sisters of Mother Teresa have been attacked by stone-throwing
Hindu militants with one seriously injured.

All Christian institutions are now in danger because mobs of Hindu
radicals are roaming the streets, breaking down doors and smashing
windows, including in some cases Christian homes. Many priests and nuns
have had to escape.

In Bubaneshwar Hindu militants stoned the Archbishopï¿½s residence, but
did not dare invade the place because of police presence.

In Phulbani the parish church and the home of local clergy were attacked
and set on fire. All local priests fled and found refuge in the homes of
some of members of the local congregation.

The youth hostel that houses students who study in Phulbani has also
been torched.

Some missionaries of Charity who were attending a health course in
Brahamanigoan were blocked for hours in the village.

Elsewhere nuns left their convent finding shelter in some school buildings.
----------------------------------------------------

Christians: The Sangh Parivar's new target

20 Sep 2008, 0908 hrs IST, IANS

Although Christians were described as internal enemies in Guru
Golwalkar's catechism of hate, "Bunch of Thoughts", they were not
targeted by the
Sangh Parivar - the right-wing Hindu nationalist political grouping - as
systematically as at present.

The Parivar's primary enemies were always the Muslims. They were accused
of having invaded the country from the eighth century onwards, destroyed
temples during the medieval period and finally partitioned the country
in 1947. Islamic terrorism is the latest addition to this list of sins.

Now, however, the wrath of the saffron brotherhood, led by the Rashtriya
Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS), has turned on the Christians with attacks
against them by the Hindutva warriors in states ranging from Orissa to
Karnataka to Kerala.

About a decade ago, Gujarat also saw such depredations by the saffron
activists, mainly in the Dangs area. The state is mercifully quiet now,
presumably because Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Chief Minister Narendra
Modi has realised that murder and mayhem directed against the
minorities, as in the 2002 riots, can hinder the state's economic
development - apart from depriving him of a visa to visit the US.

At the time of the outbreak in the Dangs, Orissa too saw the beginnings
of violence against Christians. The most heinous incident was the
burning alive of the Australian missionary, Graham Staines, and his two
young sons in 1999.

For the RSS the work of the missionaries has always been like a red rag
to a bull. It regards religious conversions as an assault on Hindu
belief and culture and has, therefore, started its own drive to
reconvert the Christians back into their original faith.

The violence in the Kandhamal area of Orissa has followed the
assassination of a head of one such RSS mission, allegedly by Maoists,
although an RSS pamphlet has ascribed it to Christian "terrorists". The
burning of churches and attacks on isolated villagers have since spread
to Mangalore in Karnataka and also to Kasaragod in Kerala.

It is worth noting that the BJP is in power in two of these states -
Orissa and Karnataka. Clearly, the rampaging Hindutva cadres expect the
police to be less enthusiastic in checking them in Orissa and Karnataka
than in any other state.

The murder of Staines and his sons, for instance, was conveniently
ascribed by George Fernandes, convener of the BJP-led National
Democratic Alliance (NDA) to an "international conspiracy" although
subsequently a local saffron sympathiser was convicted for the crime.

The issue of conversions in Kandhamal has been complicated by the fact
that the converts from the Scheduled Caste or Dalit communities have
been demanding the Scheduled Tribe (ST) or Adivasi (original inhabitant)
status to avail themselves of the reservations in jobs and educational
institutions to which STs are entitled.

While such violence relating to reservations is not uncommon in India,
as the confrontation between the Rajasthan government and the Gujjars
not long ago showed, the objective of the Hindutva brigade is different
as it is motivated by the idea of converting India into a Hindu rashtra.

Although Christians are a far smaller minority group than the Muslims -
a mere 2.3 per cent of the total population against the 13.4 per cent of
the Muslims - there are a number of reasons why the RSS is more worried
about them.

One is that the Muslims suffer at present from the worldwide taint of
terrorism, which evokes little sympathy for their plight. Moreover,
their depressed condition is ascribed to a ghettoized existence, the
veiling of women and the generally poor educational standards because of
the community's dependence on madrassas or religion-oriented schools.

In contrast, Christians are seen as forward-looking while their
educational institutions at all levels are highly regarded. So are their
medical services. Historically, too, there is no record of conflicts
between Hindus and Christians as there is between Hindus and Muslims.

It will be a mistake, of course, to refer to the saffron activists
belonging to the RSS, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Bajrang
Dal as the true representatives of Hindus since they are mainly lumpen
elements who have been instigated by local politicians for partisan
purposes. But their capacity for mischief is obvious, especially in the
states run by their soulmates in the BJP.

The saffron hardliners also like to present inflated percentages of the
Christian and Muslim populations, evidently to create a fear psychosis
among the gullible about Hindus being swamped by such "aliens".

The unconvincing explanation for the discrepancy between their figures
and those of the official census is the presence of "crypto-Christians"
who do not disclose their real religious identity.

However, it is doubtful if the BJP can make any major political gains
from the targeting of Christians, for most Indians will tend to agree
with U R Anantha Murthy, the noted man of letters of Karnataka, that the
parivar is "destroying Hindu civilisation".

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TOPIC: PAKISTAN CAN BLOW UP BHARAT, CLAIMS A. Q. KHAN
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Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 4:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Pak can blow up India: A.Q. Khan

By DC Correspondent
The Deccan Chronicle
Sunday, February 21, 2010

Islamabad, Feb. 20 - Pakistan's disgraced nuclear scientist Dr Abdul
Qadeer Khan has said that in the event of a nuclear war, Pakistan can
inflict irreparable damage to India.

"Neither India can inflict any loss to Pakistan nor destroy Lahore.
However, Pakistan can inflict irreparable loss on India (in case of a
nuclear war)," Dr Khan said.

He, however, said, "Neither we can conquer New Delhi and Agra, nor
India can destroy Lahore and dare to inflict loss on Pakistan."

Talking to this newspaper, he said, "We are Muslims and India is a
Hindu state and an isolated country. But we (the Muslims) talk more
and work very less."

About giving civil nuclear technology to India by the US, he said
that the Americans do not like to extend such generosity to the
Muslim countries.

"The worries of the Western countries about falling of Pakistani
nuclear arsenal into the hands of militants are unfounded. The US
does not trust Pakistan but has confidence in India," Dr Khan said.

The scientist rejected that he exported nuclear secrets to any
country including Iran.

"This was a drama created (former military ruler) Mr Pervez
Musharraf. He is a liar and tried to falsely implicate me," the
scientist said.

"He should be tried under treason charges for levelling allegations
on me," he added.

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Submitted by human on Sun, 21/02/2010 - 11:05pm.

I dare say that A.Q. Khan is a rogue of the worst kind that mankind
has ever seen. He should just shut up. Time will tell what is the
power of India and what India can do. He and scores of his ideology
followers should realize that in spite of India's supremacy in every
field, India leads a peaceful life, including with the neighbours,
while the history shows that India never moved any aggressive step
towards any weaker nations including the kid Pakistan, which has come
from the Mother India. Pak has the credit to give its reins to a
criminal - a well known 10%, while India is ruled by team of scholars
with clean record. Don't provoke India. Don't misread India's
tolerance to your umpteen terror attacks, as weakness, as India has
better sense and thinks of those innocent civilians that include
children and women.

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Submitted by Zafar Iqbal, PhD on Sun, 21/02/2010 - 9:46pm.

For a long time I had considered Dr. Khan an educated and a
visionary. However, some recent statements coming with his name have
forced me to think that he is having senior moments. This recent
statement, "Pak can blow up India" is just an example of his out of
line thinking.

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Tags: destroy, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, India, irreparable damage,
Lahore, nuclear war, Pakistan, Pakistan inflict, Pakistan's scientist

More at:
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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