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== 1 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 8:51 pm
From: "HD"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>>
>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>> reason
>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex? circumsision?
>>
>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever since
>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>
> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight sex.
> So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.

They are not.
Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is the
cause of AIDS.
In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people have
aids.
But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
They are Catholics.

== 2 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 8:58 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
news:4b80bc08$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>> With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>> their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>> negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>> one's bedroom.
>>>
>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>
>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>
> You should read
>
> http://christiananswers.net/bible/gen1.html
>
> then you might have a different perspective and achieve
> better understanding if you were to read
>
> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
>
> How does one explain the timeline issues
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>
> how does it all fit together
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
>
> or /and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
>
>
>
>
More evidence that religion causes hatred.

== 3 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 9:00 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>>
>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>>> reason
>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex? circumsision?
>>>
>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever since
>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>
>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight sex.
>> So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>
> They are not.
> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is the
> cause of AIDS.
> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people
> have aids.
> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
> They are Catholics.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
Arabia.

== 4 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 9:00 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

You are full of hate <plonk>

== 5 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 9:51 pm
From: "HD"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>>>> reason
>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex? circumsision?
>>>>
>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever since
>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>
>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight sex.
>>> So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>
>> They are not.
>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is the
>> cause of AIDS.
>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people
>> have aids.
>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>> They are Catholics.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
> Arabia.
>

If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally sick
nation.
You didn't reply to my other post:
Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own bedroom
provided you use condoms?

== 6 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:03 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>>>>> reason
>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex? circumsision?
>>>>>
>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever since
>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>
>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight
>>>> sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>>
>>> They are not.
>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is the
>>> cause of AIDS.
>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people
>>> have aids.
>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>> They are Catholics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
>> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
>> Arabia.
>>
>
> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally sick
> nation.
> You didn't reply to my other post:
> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
> brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own bedroom
> provided you use condoms?
>
>
>
>
>
I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I realised
why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.

== 7 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:24 pm
From: "HD"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex? circumsision?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight
>>>>> sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>>>
>>>> They are not.
>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is the
>>>> cause of AIDS.
>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people
>>>> have aids.
>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
>>> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
>>> Arabia.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally
>> sick nation.
>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
>> brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own bedroom
>> provided you use condoms?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I realised
> why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.
You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians care for you
with Christian love and without prejustice.

== 8 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:36 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Lk4gn.8976$pv.6768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then the
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex?
>>>>>>> circumsision?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight
>>>>>> sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not.
>>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is
>>>>> the cause of AIDS.
>>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000 people
>>>>> have aids.
>>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
>>>> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
>>>> Arabia.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally
>>> sick nation.
>>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
>>> brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own
>>> bedroom provided you use condoms?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I
>> realised why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.
> You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians care for you
> with Christian love and without prejustice.
When I'm with a woman I will make sure I wear protection so that will not
happen. If you really want to fight aids you should encourage safe sex, not
say it is only spread through gay sex.

== 9 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:49 pm
From: "regn.pickfod"

Seon Ferguson wrote:
> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote
> in message news:20100220ADYbB24W5628qwjlW9X736v@IgT7A...
>> In article <lp-dnWLH3dh7NB3WnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:61f92c6e-9a1a-4430-9ea8-2f6628e87ed0@c10g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>> ?
>>>> On Feb 20, 6:34 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>
>>>>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>>
>>>> You do not have to worship God at all, let alone repent! All you
>>>> have to know is that the penis gets erect only to be able to
>>>> deposit the sperm so deep so it has a better chance to meet the
>>>> ovum. Poor sperm will never expect to meet shit! It is an insult
>>>> to 300 million living sperms!
>>>>
>>>> It is like eating through the anus. Is that an alternate life
>>>> style?
>>
>>> Yes and while we may think that act is disgusting as well if it is
>>> done in
>>> the privacy of their own bedroom people should have every right to
>>> do whatever perverted crap they want. As long as two adults agree
>>> to perform the act and no one is forced into it who cares?
>>> Seriously?
>>
>> Everyone cares.
>>
> Only ignorant hateful assholes like you. Your just as bad as the
> Christian fundies.

Have you discovered you are a faggot?

== 10 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:53 pm
From: "regn.pickfod"

Seon Ferguson wrote:
> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
> news:4b80bc08$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>> their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>> negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>> one's bedroom.
>>>>
>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>
>>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>>
>> You should read
>>
>> http://christiananswers.net/bible/gen1.html
>>
>> then you might have a different perspective and achieve
>> better understanding if you were to read
>>
>> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
>>
>> How does one explain the timeline issues
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>>
>> how does it all fit together
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
>>
>> or /and
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
>>
>>
>>
>>
> More evidence that religion causes hatred.

IT was probably much easier when your Athiest,Lesbian
teachers were explaining it `matter of factly' while you were
half asleep in class. Bit difficukt now when people say
`please explain' isn't it?

== 11 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 10:56 pm
From: "HD"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5fydnalWIpIOSR3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:Lk4gn.8976$pv.6768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then
>>>>>>>> the reason
>>>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex?
>>>>>>>> circumsision?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight
>>>>>>> sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is
>>>>>> the cause of AIDS.
>>>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000
>>>>>> people have aids.
>>>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
>>>>> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
>>>>> Arabia.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally
>>>> sick nation.
>>>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>>>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
>>>> brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own
>>>> bedroom provided you use condoms?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I
>>> realised why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.
>> You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians care for you
>> with Christian love and without prejustice.
> When I'm with a woman I will make sure I wear protection so that will not
> happen. If you really want to fight aids you should encourage safe sex,
> not say it is only spread through gay sex.
>
It is spread through immorality. ( The things people do in the privacy of
their bedrooms)

== 12 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:16 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
news:4b80d75c$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote
>> in message news:20100220ADYbB24W5628qwjlW9X736v@IgT7A...
>>> In article <lp-dnWLH3dh7NB3WnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>,
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> posted:
>>>
>>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:61f92c6e-9a1a-4430-9ea8-2f6628e87ed0@c10g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>> ?
>>>>> On Feb 20, 6:34 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>
>>>>>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>>>
>>>>> You do not have to worship God at all, let alone repent! All you
>>>>> have to know is that the penis gets erect only to be able to
>>>>> deposit the sperm so deep so it has a better chance to meet the
>>>>> ovum. Poor sperm will never expect to meet shit! It is an insult
>>>>> to 300 million living sperms!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is like eating through the anus. Is that an alternate life
>>>>> style?
>>>
>>>> Yes and while we may think that act is disgusting as well if it is
>>>> done in
>>>> the privacy of their own bedroom people should have every right to
>>>> do whatever perverted crap they want. As long as two adults agree
>>>> to perform the act and no one is forced into it who cares?
>>>> Seriously?
>>>
>>> Everyone cares.
>>>
>> Only ignorant hateful assholes like you. Your just as bad as the
>> Christian fundies.
>
> Have you discovered you are a faggot?
>
Have you discovered you are an arsehole?

== 13 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:17 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
news:4b80d84b@news.comindico.com.au...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>> news:4b80bc08$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>>> their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>>> negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>>> one's bedroom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>
>>>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>>>
>>> You should read
>>>
>>> http://christiananswers.net/bible/gen1.html
>>>
>>> then you might have a different perspective and achieve
>>> better understanding if you were to read
>>>
>>> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
>>>
>>> How does one explain the timeline issues
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>>>
>>> how does it all fit together
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
>>>
>>> or /and
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> More evidence that religion causes hatred.
>
> IT was probably much easier when your Athiest,Lesbian
> teachers were explaining it `matter of factly' while you were
> half asleep in class. Bit difficukt now when people say
> `please explain' isn't it?
>
You say atheist/lesbian teachers like it's a bad thing.

== 14 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:17 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"

"HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:6O4gn.8978$pv.7300@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5fydnalWIpIOSR3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lk4gn.8976$pv.6768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then
>>>>>>>>> the reason
>>>>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex?
>>>>>>>>> circumsision?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and straight
>>>>>>>> sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the only cause.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is
>>>>>>> the cause of AIDS.
>>>>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000
>>>>>>> people have aids.
>>>>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their own
>>>>>> bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or Saudi
>>>>>> Arabia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally
>>>>> sick nation.
>>>>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>>>>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister and
>>>>> brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own
>>>>> bedroom provided you use condoms?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I
>>>> realised why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.
>>> You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians care for
>>> you with Christian love and without prejustice.
>> When I'm with a woman I will make sure I wear protection so that will not
>> happen. If you really want to fight aids you should encourage safe sex,
>> not say it is only spread through gay sex.
>>
> It is spread through immorality. ( The things people do in the privacy of
> their bedrooms)
>
>
And banning gay sex will end the spread of aids, right?

== 15 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:18 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded messages:

The Homosexual Agenda Reposted

Posted on 01/07/2000 16:54:53 PST by Jmouse007

This is a repost of the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA clearly
articulated by a homosexual. God's Word clearly states
that homosexuality is an abomination. Read the following
and you will understand for yourself why godly men and
women must continue to stand with God in opposition to
this sexual immorality.

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble
masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We
shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories,
in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports
arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your
movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your
truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of
Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons
shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be
recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore
us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer
satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We,
connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine
physique, shall take your men from you then. We will
amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them
when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each
other instead of with men. Then go and be with each
other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never
known because we are foremost men too, and only one man
knows how to truly please another man; only one man can
understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of
another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked.
Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love
between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must
be united artistically, philosophically, socially,
politically and financially. We will triumph only when we
present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will
stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead,
puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall
stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall
make films about the love between heroic men which will
replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid,
juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating
your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful
young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your
parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the
world will be filled only with paintings of graceful,
naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men
fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because
we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate
heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit
and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as
heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when
you find that your presidents and their sons, your
industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your
generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television
personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not
the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you
assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have
infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of
homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be
sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in
the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class
weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural
aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded
aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us
will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to
defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors
inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and
honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals,
mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished.
The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs
free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be
conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will
be bonded together in communal setting, under the control
and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods
are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty,
moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal
will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-
class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our
lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination.
For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an
elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major
requirements for a position of power in the new society
of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion.
Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be
automatically barred from a position of influence. All
males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will
be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become
invisible men.

We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with
your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray
the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who
have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that
homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are
inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a
requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the
ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been
forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb,
heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are
capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the
ultimate revolution.

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without
our masks."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Posted on 01/07/2000 16:54:53 PST by Jmouse007

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I've always loved this one...

Posted on 01/07/2000 16:58:42 PST by Interesting Times

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I would like to know the name of the person who wrote or
said this.

5.56mm

Posted on 01/07/2000 17:12:22 PST by M Kehoe

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> Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you
> without our masks."

Didn't the author die from AIDS? That's what I've been
told, but that may be urban legend.

Posted on 01/07/2000 17:15:23 PST by Kevin Curry

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Reads like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". As long as
the majority of people stay tuned out, the gays will
continue to make progress. God help us that our children
are being indoctrinated at an early age to accept them as
normal.

Posted on 01/07/2000 17:22:13 PST by TheLion

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End of forwarded messages.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 16 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:37 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

CHRISTIAN PRIESTS 5-10 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE HOMOSEXUAL

Asia Times
Sunday, September 21, 2003

SPENGLER

Catholicism - isn't that a gay thing?

In 1506, the Venetian prostitutes' guild lodged a
complaint with the Signoria that homosexuality had become
so prevalent as to threaten its livelihood. Civilizations
in decline typically take on the characteristics of
Bonobo monkeys, Nero's Rome being the most lurid example.
No precedent exists to my knowledge, though, for the
priesthood to become the homosexual vanguard.

American Catholic priests are five or 10 times as likely
to be homosexual as ordinary American men. In 1990, an
American Franciscan priest mailed a survey to 500 priests
selected at random. Forty-five percent of 398 respondents
identified themselves as homosexual. "Studies suggest
that perhaps 30-50 percent of priests (especially those
under 50) are homosexual in orientation, compared with
about 5 percent in the population at large," writes
Professor Donald Cozzens of John Carroll University.

Homosexuality in the US Church drew attention after an
avalanche of lawsuits for alleged sexual abuse of minor
children landed atop St Peter's throne. The New York
Times estimates that 1,200 American priests were accused
of sex abuse as of the end of 2002. No comparable
estimates exist for the European priesthood, although the
proportion almost certainly will be smaller than in the
United States. In most Catholic European countries, such
as Ireland and Poland, the proportion of homosexual
priests is quite low, as it is in the Latin American and
African wings of the Catholic Church.

Why do American homosexuals gravitate toward the
priesthood, but not Irishmen or Poles? Priestly celibacy
cannot be the only explanation, as it applies to Poles as
well as to Americans. For that matter, the US branch of
the Anglican Church appears quite as gay as the
Catholics, having just elected an openly gay bishop in
the state of New Hampshire. Anglican priests may marry.

The answer lies instead in the motives that bring
Americans to the priesthood. Traditionally the priesthood
represented a step up the social ladder for poor boys. In
poor countries, the Catholic Church offered the only
meritocracy willing to promote clever boys from
impecunious families. Polish boys would aspire to the
priesthood for the same reason that Turkish boys would
aspire to the military.

Few American boys, however, are so poor as to consider
the Church a vehicle for social advancement. Americans
become priests out of conviction -- but conviction about
what? Eighty percent of American Catholics do not believe
in transubstantiation (the transformation of wafer and
wine into the body and blood of Christ during the Mass).
They are religious in a general sort of way, but no
longer can believe in the mysteries of the Church.

In the United States, priests no longer are the mediators
of the great mysteries of death and rebirth, of sin and
forgiveness, of damnation and salvation. The priesthood
has become what Americans quaintly call one of the
"helping professions", such as psychology, social work,
nursing and so forth. "Blessed are those who preach the
gospel of peace," said Jesus, but the gospel has changed
a bit. Having joined the ranks of the helpers, American
priests have adopted the secular gospel of St Freud.

All traditional religious dogma is tragic; man suffers in
this life because of sin, and through great struggle can
achieve redemption despite his sinful nature. Religion
does not expect life to be pleasant; it exists precisely
because life is unpleasant (at least to the extent that
it leads to the unpleasantness of death).

Inspired by psychiatry, the "helping professions" take a
more cheerful view of life. Therapy, Prozac, and
conflict-avoidance can solve all problems, provided that
the "helpers" can extirpate the root of aggressive
behavior, namely sexual frustration.

Civilization requires repression of the libido, Sigmund
Freud argued (in Civilization and Its Discontents). Its
foundation is the paternal family in which the father
employs the threat of violence to suppress the sexuality
of other family members:

If civilization requires such sacrifices, not only of
sexuality but also of the aggressive tendencies in
mankind, we can better understand why it should be so
hard for men to feel happy in it. In actual fact,
primitive man was better off in this respect, for he knew
nothing of any restrictions on his instincts. As a set-
off against this, his prospects of enjoying his happiness
for any length of time were very slight. Civilized man
has exchanged some part of his chances of happiness for a
measure of security. We will not forget, however, that in
the primal family only the head of it enjoyed this
instinctual freedom; the other members lived in slavish
thraldom. Many Catholic priests are not traditional
Christians, but Utopian radicals whose goal is to
eliminate conflict by purging humanity of its aggressive
instincts (Freud to his credit did not believe this could
be done). In other words, they are homosexuals out of
principle. They share with the radical feminists the idea
that man's aggressive instincts supposedly arise from
sexual repression, whose source is the patriarchal
family. The combination of an all-male fraternity with a
Utopian agenda provides a magnet for male homosexuals.

For the same reason, issues such as gay marriage, legal
protection of homosexuals and the sponsorship of
alternative sexual subcultures stand at the top of the
Utopian agenda. No respectable US university lacks a
"gay, lesbian and transgender studies" department, and
the elite schools compete with one another to define the
cutting edge of social experimentation. The University of
Michigan now offers a course called "How to Be Gay: Male
Homosexuality and Initiation". A number of states, with
Vermont in the lead, now are proposing to formalize same-
sex "civil unions", that is, marriage.

As usual, provincial America lags enlightened,
sophisticated Europe. In June, the Swedish parliament
passed a law forbidding speech or writing critical of
alternative sexual lifestyles. No criticism will be
forthcoming from the rest of Europe, whose male
population sincerely hopes that all Swedish men (but not
women) will become homosexual.

In the United States, the most likely outcome will be the
strengthening of the heterosexual (that is, Evangelical)
wing of US Christianity at the expense of the Catholics
and other liberal Christians. Republican strategists view
the issue of gay marriage as a gift for the 2004
elections. Democratic pre-candidates for the presidency
require the support of the Utopian wing of the party to
mobilize activists and money for the primary elections,
which puts them under enormous pressure to support the
sexual political agenda of the left. In the general
election, though, support for alternative lifestyles will
be a liability. The net result probably will be to
continue the rightward shift in US politics.
- Asia Times

End of forwarded message

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 17 of 18 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:54 pm
From: "HD"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rqidnSsDVPCLQx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>
> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:6O4gn.8978$pv.7300@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5fydnalWIpIOSR3WnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Lk4gn.8976$pv.6768@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:aa-dnYwjyZIzUR3WnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:JR3gn.8974$pv.1639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:JvedncLpd8ZnIB3WnZ2dnUVZ_sQAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "HD" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:tZ2gn.8963$pv.6463@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:-Oydnf27L8YELx3WnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it spreads readily through Heterosexual Effrikahn Blecks then
>>>>>>>>>> the reason
>>>>>>>>>> is something other than Heterosexuality?Rapes?Anal sex?
>>>>>>>>>> circumsision?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That aside, if Aids originated in Africa and has been these ever
>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>> why is it _now_ a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it spread through UNPROTECTED SEX both gay sex and
>>>>>>>>> straight sex. So there goes your theory that homosexuals are the
>>>>>>>>> only cause.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>>>> Your idea that it is okay for adult people to whatever they want is
>>>>>>>> the cause of AIDS.
>>>>>>>> In Thailand, 700.000 people have aids.
>>>>>>>> In the Philippines which has a similar population, about 12.000
>>>>>>>> people have aids.
>>>>>>>> But the Philippines have something that you don't like.
>>>>>>>> They are Catholics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to control what two adults do in the privacy of their
>>>>>>> own bedroom then you are a facist and just as bad as the Taliban or
>>>>>>> Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't control it you have a diseased nation and a very morally
>>>>>> sick nation.
>>>>>> You didn't reply to my other post:
>>>>>> Is it okay for you to have sex with your mother, your adult sister
>>>>>> and brother or your adult daughter and son in the privacy of your own
>>>>>> bedroom provided you use condoms?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I did reply. I was going to ask why are you so full of hate but I
>>>>> realised why: Your a Christian. Thank God I'm not a Christian.
>>>> You may become a Christian when you have AIDS and Christians care for
>>>> you with Christian love and without prejustice.
>>> When I'm with a woman I will make sure I wear protection so that will
>>> not happen. If you really want to fight aids you should encourage safe
>>> sex, not say it is only spread through gay sex.
>>>
>> It is spread through immorality. ( The things people do in the privacy of
>> their bedrooms)
>>
>>
> And banning gay sex will end the spread of aids, right?
>

It's only part of the problem. All promiscuity is responsible for Aids.
Of course, you believe that the individual should have all rights while
society should not have the right to protect itself from the damage caused
by induvidual behaviour.

== 18 of 18 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 21 2010 12:01 am
From: "HD"

you get married and be faithful.
But of course we can't have that. It is religious teaching.

you should encourage safe sex, not
> say it is only spread through gay sex.
>
>

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TOPIC: HAWALA AND LOOTED MONEY STASHED AWAY IN TAX HAVENS (e.g. SWISS ACCOUNTS)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:34 pm
From: bademiyansubhanallah

On Feb 20, 9:01 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Hawala and looted money stashed away in tax havens (e.g. Swiss accounts)
>
> Saturday, February 20, 2010
>
> Shouldn't the recovery of looted wealth be a matter of concern for RBI?
>
> S. Kalyanaraman
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/hindunew/recovering-looted-wealth
>
> I-T officer is off Koda probe just before hitting paydirt
>
> Pradeep Thakur & Sonali Das, TNN, Feb 21, 2010, 12.44am IST
>
> New Delhi/Ranchi: Ujjawal Chaudhary, senior Income Tax (I-T) officer,
> who led the probe into the multi-crore Madhu Koda scam, may have been
> on the verge of unravelling the link between politicians and hawala
> traders when he was abruptly shifted this week.
>
> Sources said the team led by Chaudhary, who has been taken off the
> Koda probe and moved to the assessment wing, had gathered strong
> evidence linking politicians and others to hawala operators engaged
> in laundering black money abroad. Chaudhary was transferred when
> raids were still continuing at Chaibasa in Jharkhand.
>
> The official and his colleagues are learnt to have hit a `jackpot'
> during their raids on Pune-based businessman Ajay Bafna, who was
> under surveillance since October last year when the first indication
> of his dealings with Sanjay Chaudhary, close associate of the former
> Jharkhand chief minister Madhu Koda, surfaced.
>
> The team struck gold also while raiding two hawala traders in Delhi.
> The search of the business premises of one Vipin Kapoor, a hawala
> operator based in Karol Bagh, yielded details of accounts of banks in
> Switzerland and other countries which seem to belong to politicians.
>
> Kapoor is a familiar face for tax authorities, having been convicted
> for gold smuggling earlier. But evidence seized from him surprised
> the raiding team given the likely connections with influential
> accounts.
>
> Within Jharkhand, raids by I-T personnel led by Chaudhary over three
> days beginning February 16, reveaked disclosures of hundreds of
> crores in concealed incomes of bureaucrats and businessmen. Those
> targeted included Manohar Lal Pal, personal aide to current Jharkhand
> chief minister Shibu Soren.
>
> A former employee of Coal India Limited who was sacked for allegedly
> forging his educational qualifications, Pal, faced with evidence,
> declared assets and investments totalling up to Rs 65 crore.
> Similarly, two businessmen engaged in mining -- much of it allegedly
> illegal -- have also admitted to having concealed Rs 30 crore from
> the tax authorities. A similar admission from a Kolkata-based
> chartered accountant, accused of helping the scamsters fudge accounts
> and who was confronted with papers showing he had not declared income
> worth Rs 12 crore, had appeared to be on the cards when Chaudhary was
> called off.
>
> The findings of the investigation have generated a sensation in
> Jharkhand and other places like Delhi and Mumbai as slueths unearthed
> sordid details of the brazen loot of public money. Those who are
> facing charges include officials as well as engineers working in the
> mining and electricity departments.
>
> In one particular instance, the team stumbled upon payment of Rs 4.6
> crore allegedly made by cheque to functionaries of the Koda
> administration by an Andhra Pradesh-based construction company. In
> return, the company was allegedly allowed to inflate the cost of the
> project it was assigned under the Rajiv Gandhi Gramin Vidyutikaran
> Yojana.
>
> The explanation offered by the tax authorities makes Chaudhary's
> transfer seem innocuous. "He will be based in Patna and his
> jurisdictions will include both Bihar and Jharkhand. He has just been
> shifted to the assessment wing because he is best placed to assess
> the value of whatever the accused in the Koda scam and others have
> been found to possess," it was said.
>
> This does not wash with many because officers are seldom transferred
> mid-way through an investigation. Chaudhary, having spent just seven
> months at the last station, was not due for a transfer either. He
> took charge of the investigation on July 14, 2009.
>
> What is puzzling political circles is that the I-T's investigation is
> all against politicians who, with the exception of NCP's Kamlesh
> Singh, former colleague of Koda, are not part of the UPA. In fact,
> many in Congress would be relishing the discomfiture of Shibu Soren
> over the raid on Pal, considering that he preferred the BJP for an
> alliance.
>
> Chaudhary's transfer has been taken to the judiciary, with a group of
> lawyers seeking the intervention of the Jharkhand High Court which is
> hearing the PIL against Koda.
>
> But members of his team remain wary of more transfers. It is learnt
> that even during the course of investigation, Chaudhary and his team
> mates did not get enough cooperation while probing business dealings
> of Koda and his associates in Mumbai and elsewhere.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-T-officer-is-off-Koda-prob...
>
> End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 11:36 pm
From: bademiyansubhanallah

On Feb 21, 2:34 am, bademiyansubhanallah <elcidha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 9:01 pm, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> > Hawala and looted money stashed away in tax havens (e.g. Swiss accounts)
>
> > Saturday, February 20, 2010
>
> > Shouldn't the recovery of looted wealth be a matter of concern for RBI?
>
> > S. Kalyanaraman
>
> >http://sites.google.com/site/hindunew/recovering-looted-wealth
>
> > I-T officer is off Koda probe just before hitting paydirt
>
> > Pradeep Thakur & Sonali Das, TNN, Feb 21, 2010, 12.44am IST
>
> > New Delhi/Ranchi: Ujjawal Chaudhary, senior Income Tax (I-T) officer,
> > who led the probe into the multi-crore Madhu Koda scam, may have been
> > on the verge of unravelling the link between politicians and hawala
> > traders when he was abruptly shifted this week.
>
> > Sources said the team led by Chaudhary, who has been taken off the
> > Koda probe and moved to the assessment wing, had gathered strong
> > evidence linking politicians and others to hawala operators engaged
> > in laundering black money abroad. Chaudhary was transferred when
> > raids were still continuing at Chaibasa in Jharkhand.
>
> > The official and his colleagues are learnt to have hit a `jackpot'
> > during their raids on Pune-based businessman Ajay Bafna, who was
> > under surveillance since October last year when the first indication
> > of his dealings with Sanjay Chaudhary, close associate of the former
> > Jharkhand chief minister Madhu Koda, surfaced.
>
> > The team struck gold also while raiding two hawala traders in Delhi.
> > The search of the business premises of one Vipin Kapoor, a hawala
> > operator based in Karol Bagh, yielded details of accounts of banks in
> > Switzerland and other countries which seem to belong to politicians.
>
> > Kapoor is a familiar face for tax authorities, having been convicted
> > for gold smuggling earlier. But evidence seized from him surprised
> > the raiding team given the likely connections with influential
> > accounts.
>
> > Within Jharkhand, raids by I-T personnel led by Chaudhary over three
> > days beginning February 16, reveaked disclosures of hundreds of
> > crores in concealed incomes of bureaucrats and businessmen. Those
> > targeted included Manohar Lal Pal, personal aide to current Jharkhand
> > chief minister Shibu Soren.
>
> > A former employee of Coal India Limited who was sacked for allegedly
> > forging his educational qualifications, Pal, faced with evidence,
> > declared assets and investments totalling up to Rs 65 crore.
> > Similarly, two businessmen engaged in mining -- much of it allegedly
> > illegal -- have also admitted to having concealed Rs 30 crore from
> > the tax authorities. A similar admission from a Kolkata-based
> > chartered accountant, accused of helping the scamsters fudge accounts
> > and who was confronted with papers showing he had not declared income
> > worth Rs 12 crore, had appeared to be on the cards when Chaudhary was
> > called off.
>
> > The findings of the investigation have generated a sensation in
> > Jharkhand and other places like Delhi and Mumbai as slueths unearthed
> > sordid details of the brazen loot of public money. Those who are
> > facing charges include officials as well as engineers working in the
> > mining and electricity departments.
>
> > In one particular instance, the team stumbled upon payment of Rs 4.6
> > crore allegedly made by cheque to functionaries of the Koda
> > administration by an Andhra Pradesh-based construction company. In
> > return, the company was allegedly allowed to inflate the cost of the
> > project it was assigned under the Rajiv Gandhi Gramin Vidyutikaran
> > Yojana.
>
> > The explanation offered by the tax authorities makes Chaudhary's
> > transfer seem innocuous. "He will be based in Patna and his
> > jurisdictions will include both Bihar and Jharkhand. He has just been
> > shifted to the assessment wing because he is best placed to assess
> > the value of whatever the accused in the Koda scam and others have
> > been found to possess," it was said.
>
> > This does not wash with many because officers are seldom transferred
> > mid-way through an investigation. Chaudhary, having spent just seven
> > months at the last station, was not due for a transfer either. He
> > took charge of the investigation on July 14, 2009.
>
> > What is puzzling political circles is that the I-T's investigation is
> > all against politicians who, with the exception of NCP's Kamlesh
> > Singh, former colleague of Koda, are not part of the UPA. In fact,
> > many in Congress would be relishing the discomfiture of Shibu Soren
> > over the raid on Pal, considering that he preferred the BJP for an
> > alliance.
>
> > Chaudhary's transfer has been taken to the judiciary, with a group of
> > lawyers seeking the intervention of the Jharkhand High Court which is
> > hearing the PIL against Koda.
>
> > But members of his team remain wary of more transfers. It is learnt
> > that even during the course of investigation, Chaudhary and his team
> > mates did not get enough cooperation while probing business dealings
> > of Koda and his associates in Mumbai and elsewhere.
>
> >http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-T-officer-is-off-Koda-prob...
>
> > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
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