Tuesday, February 23, 2010

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* AVATAR'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/87e3f3820ce4e518?hl=en
* MNIK is arguably SRK's biggest flop - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/d512d4b602be22a9?hl=en
* ELTON JOHN CLAIMS JESUS WAS HOMOSEXUAL - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/f8d1787073a65751?hl=en
* Really great site for Legal Unlimited Movie Downloads!!! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/5f600dc1f8f15b1e?hl=en
* why aus is so violent - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/436365a0f203d495?hl=en
* BEHEADED SIKH'S COUSIN WANTS BHARATIYA CITIZENSHIP - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/f3d1d3ace160055d?hl=en
* Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam -
8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/5fa5bad4439908b4?hl=en
* VICTORY TO THE GODS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/c2ec6ba0a3f817bd?hl=en
* A DIABOLICAL PLOY - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/c97b88ff99dbf541?hl=en
* CANARD AS COMMENT *** Jai Maharaj posts - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/5239fae240fb47f1?hl=en

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TOPIC: AVATAR'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/87e3f3820ce4e518?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 12:08 am
From: LIBERATOR


On Feb 21, 11:58 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Avatar's Dirty Little Secret
>
> The SP Sula Review
> Wednesday, February 10, 2010
>
> Aaah Avatar. The epic saga of evil colonialists savaging the peaceful
> indigenous inhabitants of...oh hell, does it really matter? It's
> white Americans and we should all feel guilty for the brutality
> wrought upon the Native Americans, Mexicans, and/or slaves. And yes,
> this includes all white people, even if your ancestors were not here
> during any of those periods. You're guilty no matter what. You're
> white. You're automatically a bigot.
>
> Or if you don't like the racist approach, you can go with the
> plundering nature theme. That works just as well. The earth is
> warming after all. Or is it cooling? That's right, it's cooling.
> Wait. Can I use a lifeline for that one? Because honestly, I think
> that's a trick question. Uh, you know what, I'm gonna go with the
> earth is...spinning?
>
> The problem is, it's all about as real as that stick figure you're
> looking at.
>
> I'm going to tell you a secret. A truth that James Cameron may come
> to regret having unleashed into the world. But a truth nonetheless.
> The secret? This film is not Dances with Wolves in space and the
> imperialistic thematic underpinning is just window dressing; a hoax
> to distract you from what this film really is.
>
> While perusing review sites online, I found something astonishingly
> disturbing. Cameron spent 17 million dollars on one single aspect of
> the film. No, it wasn't creating Pandora. No, it wasn't designing all
> of the military technology. 17 million dollars was spent on
> developing his alien's breasts. Now why would the man spend the
> budget of a small city's government on the non-mammary glands of a
> glorified CGI muppet? Because in his own words:
>
> "These breasts, they need to make every 13-to-17-year-old kid who
> buys a ticket to this thing want to run home, still chubbed up from
> having them bounce around his zit-pocked face for two hours in three
> glorious dimensions, and touch himself with furious abandon. Then
> come back the next day for another go-around." (Playboy Interview,
> Nov 2009) [1]
>
> And that, my friends, is what this movie was really about. Selling
> sex to children.
>
> To put it bluntly: Cameron wants your male child to spend the entire
> film becoming aroused, go home with an erection, masturbate and then
> come back to the theater and spend your money on another ticket so
> that he can have another "go-around". Cameron was banking on these
> sex organs to bring in repeat business. Does Cameron seriously intend
> to turn theaters into the equivalent of under-aged strip joints? That
> may be pushing it a little, but even he would tell you that 17
> million was a small price to pay, considering this film has already
> made 2 billion. Much of it, the very repeat business from the
> children he spoke of and the result of his 17 million dollar
> investment.
>
> Now, I know what some are thinking. I'm taking this quote out of
> context (if that's possible). I'm twisting this whole situation so it
> will fit into some convoluted narrative. Unfortunately, I'm not. In
> this part of the interview, he openly admitted to giving his
> imaginary aliens human sex organs, [2] ones that serve no legitimate
> biological function. His sole purpose for doing this was titillation.
> This, along with other wanton sexist declarations have become quite a
> controversy across the web. Not to mention, there was the notorious
> sex scene which was edited out. Cameron readily confessed he did this
> so he wouldn't lose his PG-13 rating and that under-aged crowd he was
> so ardently targeting. However, if this film was intended to be kid-
> friendly, why was a sex scene [3] written into the script in the
> first place? Unless he had planned to market sex to kids from the
> very beginning.
>
> Avatar wasn't about slavery or Native Americans or the earth or
> anything noble. It was about using those things as cover so that
> James Cameron could make money off of the sexual arousal of children.
> This is at best patently grotesque and at worst depraved and
> perverse. When looking at this objectively, one must consider that
> Cameron does, in fact, believe in the message of the film. And that,
> perhaps, he took a horribly wrong turn in the selling of it. But, in
> weighing the cavalier manner of his admissions, the calculation of
> spending such an obscene amount of money for something so arbitrary,
> and the intricate planning of sexual content, I concluded this was no
> "wrong turn". I truly believe this man fully intended to do what he
> did, because he saw a profit in doing so. I believe he didn't
> consider that it was abusive because he is completely removed from
> the accepted psychology that children are not, in fact, sexual
> objects. And I believe that if confronted about his statements, he
> will either lie, or simply won't care.
>
> Now, it's not that I'm naive or that I haven't noticed our children
> are being targeted by these people in so many ways. But I have
> nephews and I suppose this one hit home. Hard. I see men like James
> Cameron and Roman Polanski profiting, while our children are
> sexualized. Hollywood rails about global warming, while under the
> table, they're hooks sink even deeper into our kids. And we still
> haven't been able to change the dialog to a subject that actually
> matters; like child trafficking or sexual predators. Of course, our
> children don't actually rate concern in Hollywood unless a director
> can make a buck off them.
>
> Maybe if parents started demanding refunds for their children's
> tickets to this film, Hollywood might get the message. Although, I'm
> guessing they will only raise their proverbial middle finger at us
> and give Cameron the Oscar. After all, they did it for Polanski.
>
> Beth Haper
> Editor
>
> Posted by The SP Sula Review on Wednesday, February 10, 2010
>
> [1]  http://www.movieline.com/2009/11/movieline-explores-james-camerons-ex...
> [2]  http://www.globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avat...
> [3]  http://gawker.com/5445955/if-avatars-sex-scene-was-cut-for-its-pg+13-...
>
> More at:http://thespsulareview.blogspot.com/2010/02/avatars-dirty-little-secr...
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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I disagree Avatar did not do these things, but other movies do.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 1:33 am
From: Tambi Dude


"The film is not a Dulha Mil Gaya but in the end, My Name Is Khan has
been rejected across the vast preponderance of India and is a major
commercial loser; arguably Shahrukh Khan's biggest flop."

http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=22050&z=4

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IMHO by passing those insensitive remarks about great neighbor SRK
lost a sizable chunk
of his fans. Until now he was an all india star (though personally I
stopped liking him more than
10 yrs ago). now he is liked by only one community of India. From now
onwards, whatever he
does, it is going to be downhill for him.


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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 1:52 am
From: "regn.pickfod"


Hunter wrote:
> regn.pickfod wrote:
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>> More evidence that religion causes hatred.
>>
>> IT was probably much easier when your Athiest,Lesbian
>> teachers were explaining it `matter of factly' while you were
>> half asleep in class. Bit difficukt now when people say
>> `please explain' isn't it?
>
>
> Atheist lesbian? Actually looking at the track record of Christian
> priests in Australia and looking at the Devadasi in India, it seems
> much more likely that people will be poofs and/or child molestors if
> they are religious.

I can understand and sympathise with a Homosexual or Pedophile
who is deeply religious turning to a religious role of self denial and
abstinance.
I can accept a Christian forgiveness if that person falls from grace and
seeks
a _sincere_ foregiveness.

Such forgivness should never be considered `automatic` as in each
situation there is more to consider than just an individual's need
for forgiveness, the damage they have caused and the recompense they offer
to alleviate any suffering

An Athiest has no God to answer to, their actions and impact need only
the justification of their self centered social policy lifestyles Vs the
cost of
being caught and paying the legal dues.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 1:56 am
From: "regn.pickfod"


Seon Ferguson wrote:
> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
> news:4b80d84b@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>> news:4b80bc08$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> "uNmaiviLambi" <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>>>> their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>>>> negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>>>> one's bedroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me guess we should all repent to your Gawd right?
>>>>
>>>> You should read
>>>>
>>>> http://christiananswers.net/bible/gen1.html
>>>>
>>>> then you might have a different perspective and achieve
>>>> better understanding if you were to read
>>>>
>>>> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
>>>>
>>>> How does one explain the timeline issues
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>>>>
>>>> how does it all fit together
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
>>>>
>>>> or /and
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> More evidence that religion causes hatred.
>>
>> IT was probably much easier when your Athiest,Lesbian
>> teachers were explaining it `matter of factly' while you were
>> half asleep in class. Bit difficukt now when people say
>> `please explain' isn't it?
>>
> You say atheist/lesbian teachers like it's a bad thing.

Not bad as in Evil but bad as in rckless speeding. They are not aware or
maybe they don't care about the damage they do to innnocents
in the pursuit of their own self interests.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:34 am
From: Hunter


Seon Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hlv5o4$btu$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote
>>> in message news:20100220Rfd90u9cqQanSG0XI41maP5@HeZ01...
>>>> In article
>>>> <bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57=A0pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>> > Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>> > their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>> > negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>> > one's bedroom.
>>>>
>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed.
>>>>
>>> Your just as bad as the church that you claim to be fighting against.
>>> You'd make an excellent Muslim.
>>
>>
>> Now now, you're stereotyping again. Militant Christians and Hindus are
>> every bit as much against poofs as militant Muslims. Shit, the bloke
>> you're replying to, doc jai, is a well known Hindu extremist terrorist
>> American for example. Strangely though I think he protesteth too
>> loudeth considering a while back him and harmony were out'ed as
>> lifelong rectum rangers who are completely devoted to one another.
>>
>> Personally I couldn't give a fuck what someone else does in the
>> privacy of their own home as long as I don't have to see it or hear
>> about it. It's fucking disgusting, but each to their own as long as
>> they're not bothering anyone else.
>>
>>
> Exactly. Plus I can think of a few disgusting things straight couples do
> but if both parties are adults and it's concessional and in the privacy
> of their own bedroom I don't give a fuck about them as well. It's non of
> my business.
>
> I guess I just thought Hindus were tolerant and didn't hate gay people
> like Militant Christians and Muslims (I know some Christians who don't
> hate gay people but the fundies sure do). But I used to think Bahais
> were tolerant until I found out practicing homosexuals were shunned. So
> maybe the other religions are not as tolerant as I thought.


Hindu's tolerant? Shit, read a newspaper from India one day.... Makes
Australia look like Disneyland.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:39 am
From: Hunter


regn.pickfod wrote:
> Hunter wrote:
>> regn.pickfod wrote:
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> More evidence that religion causes hatred.
>>> IT was probably much easier when your Athiest,Lesbian
>>> teachers were explaining it `matter of factly' while you were
>>> half asleep in class. Bit difficukt now when people say
>>> `please explain' isn't it?
>>
>> Atheist lesbian? Actually looking at the track record of Christian
>> priests in Australia and looking at the Devadasi in India, it seems
>> much more likely that people will be poofs and/or child molestors if
>> they are religious.
>
> I can understand and sympathise with a Homosexual or Pedophile
> who is deeply religious turning to a religious role of self denial and
> abstinance.
> I can accept a Christian forgiveness if that person falls from grace and
> seeks
> a _sincere_ foregiveness.


I can't and don't. A pedophile is a fucking scumbag, and needs to be
shot in the head. Period. Being a Christian does not make it ok.

As for being a poof, that's their problem. Up to them if they're that
messed up, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, regardless of religion.


> Such forgivness should never be considered `automatic` as in each
> situation there is more to consider than just an individual's need
> for forgiveness, the damage they have caused and the recompense they offer
> to alleviate any suffering
>
> An Athiest has no God to answer to, their actions and impact need only
> the justification of their self centered social policy lifestyles Vs the
> cost of being caught and paying the legal dues.


Sorry, despite the fact so many Christian clergy seem to end up becoming
pedophiles, they don't get any special consideration merely because of
the fairy tale they follow, they're low life scum and I would personally
put a bullet in each and every one of their heads with a smile on my
face and feel that I've done my good deed for the day if I were allowed
to do so.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:15 am
From: "Seon Ferguson"


"Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:hm0avd$o21$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:hlv5o4$btu$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote
>>>> in message news:20100220Rfd90u9cqQanSG0XI41maP5@HeZ01...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57=A0pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>> > Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>>> > their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>>> > negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>>> > one's bedroom.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes indeed.
>>>>>
>>>> Your just as bad as the church that you claim to be fighting against.
>>>> You'd make an excellent Muslim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now now, you're stereotyping again. Militant Christians and Hindus are
>>> every bit as much against poofs as militant Muslims. Shit, the bloke
>>> you're replying to, doc jai, is a well known Hindu extremist terrorist
>>> American for example. Strangely though I think he protesteth too loudeth
>>> considering a while back him and harmony were out'ed as lifelong rectum
>>> rangers who are completely devoted to one another.
>>>
>>> Personally I couldn't give a fuck what someone else does in the privacy
>>> of their own home as long as I don't have to see it or hear about it.
>>> It's fucking disgusting, but each to their own as long as they're not
>>> bothering anyone else.
>>>
>>>
>> Exactly. Plus I can think of a few disgusting things straight couples do
>> but if both parties are adults and it's concessional and in the privacy
>> of their own bedroom I don't give a fuck about them as well. It's non of
>> my business.
>>
>> I guess I just thought Hindus were tolerant and didn't hate gay people
>> like Militant Christians and Muslims (I know some Christians who don't
>> hate gay people but the fundies sure do). But I used to think Bahais were
>> tolerant until I found out practicing homosexuals were shunned. So maybe
>> the other religions are not as tolerant as I thought.
>
>
> Hindu's tolerant? Shit, read a newspaper from India one day.... Makes
> Australia look like Disneyland.
>
Well if that usenet guy is anything like the majority of Hindus you were
right.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:34 pm
From: Hunter


Seon Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hm0avd$o21$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hunter" <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:hlv5o4$btu$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)"
>>>>> wrote in message news:20100220Rfd90u9cqQanSG0XI41maP5@HeZ01...
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <bb43ba83-bc04-4157-bef0-a1c39562cd38@l1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 12:57=A0pm, "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > With a third of Homosexuals claiming 1000+ partners in
>>>>>>> > their lifetime it is not as you foolishly believe and have been
>>>>>>> > negligently taught to believe, harmless _or_ happening within
>>>>>>> > one's bedroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a perversion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your just as bad as the church that you claim to be fighting
>>>>> against. You'd make an excellent Muslim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now now, you're stereotyping again. Militant Christians and Hindus
>>>> are every bit as much against poofs as militant Muslims. Shit, the
>>>> bloke you're replying to, doc jai, is a well known Hindu extremist
>>>> terrorist American for example. Strangely though I think he
>>>> protesteth too loudeth considering a while back him and harmony were
>>>> out'ed as lifelong rectum rangers who are completely devoted to one
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I couldn't give a fuck what someone else does in the
>>>> privacy of their own home as long as I don't have to see it or hear
>>>> about it. It's fucking disgusting, but each to their own as long as
>>>> they're not bothering anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Exactly. Plus I can think of a few disgusting things straight couples
>>> do but if both parties are adults and it's concessional and in the
>>> privacy of their own bedroom I don't give a fuck about them as well.
>>> It's non of my business.
>>>
>>> I guess I just thought Hindus were tolerant and didn't hate gay
>>> people like Militant Christians and Muslims (I know some Christians
>>> who don't hate gay people but the fundies sure do). But I used to
>>> think Bahais were tolerant until I found out practicing homosexuals
>>> were shunned. So maybe the other religions are not as tolerant as I
>>> thought.
>>
>>
>> Hindu's tolerant? Shit, read a newspaper from India one day.... Makes
>> Australia look like Disneyland.
>>
> Well if that usenet guy is anything like the majority of Hindus you were
> right.


jai and harmony aren't Indian, jai has been a yank for most of his life,
and harmony doesn't know what he is, just a stateless parasite.

There are plenty of very good people in India, but unfortunately many
areas still lack decent education and are at the mercy of local
primitive "leaders" who preach hatred over race/religion/whatever-else.

It's been the same all over the world at different times, people who
don't have communication with the rest of the world (ala Internet,
travel and so on) and don't have a real education, and live in insular
communities, perpetuate ancient and primitive hatreds and tabboos.

As education and communication spreads people get to see the much bigger
picture and slowly but surely reject the teachings of these fuckwits.
India will get there, but with a population of their size it's a very
difficult task to root out and repair this sort of thing but as time
goes on things will sort themselves out.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:28 am
From: tomer houja


see it here
http://tinyurl.com/yc8ohf8

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 4:29 am
From: Arindam Banerjee


On Feb 19, 3:14 pm, scientific <victorfran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 5:31 am, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chris Diesel" <die...@noaddress.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:4b7dce1b$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > > "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > >news:Jyifn.8513$pv.6275@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > >> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>
> > >>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> > >>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they have a
> > >>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others killed.
> > >>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in canbera
> > >>>> and straighten out the mess.
>
> > >>>>http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>
> > >>> What about India?
>
> > >> It is a rotten state ruled by a mediocre foreign (and white) woman with
> > >> very many corrupted or stupid sycophants in her tow.  She is voted to
> > >> power because the population thinks that the right-wing alternative
> > >> (harmony-class bundurrHindus supported by jBm-class bundurrJews and their
> > >> rich and unscrupulous WASP slaves) is worse.
>
> > >>> Your racist government believes they are superior just because they lie
> > >>> and say they have had more lives.
>
> > >> The government of India has had nothing good or useful to do with genuine
> > >> Indians for nearly a thousand years.  Because India has been enslaved for
> > >> nearly a thousand years, and the process continues.
>
> > >>> The racist barbaric caste system is even worse then our system.
>
> > >> heh-heh, why do oz racists have issues with the Indian caste system?
> > >> Caste is not racist at all - it is endogamous and very useful.  For it
> > >> allows the retention of skills, group values and unity, in an atmosphere
> > >> of personal freedom, and quite irrespective of state authority.
>
> > > You accuses Australians of being racist
>
> > When I say "oz racists" I mean just that. I don't accuse all Australians of
> > being racist, I say that there are such things as oz racists. It does NOT
> > mean that all Australians are racists. You have comprehension issues, I am
> > afraid.
> > There are most certainly horrible racists in Australia, and the Herald-Sun
> > has just published the photos of two white racists who beat a sweet harmless
> > black Sudanese boy to death just because he was black and they wanted a beat
> > him to death simply because he was black.  Since these two racists are now
> > in jail, put there by decent Australians who form the majority that is,
> > there is no question of this majority supporting the racist murderers.
> > Life here in Australia is rather less violent on the whole.  Going by my own
> > experience, that is.  But then, I have led a comparatively privileged life
> > here, and the new immigrants are facing much more hardship than I had to.
> > Of course, any non-white can be murdered by the racists, as this guy was.
> > But in India, too, you could be shot or blown up by Sikh terrorists, Muslim
> > fanatics, ideologically driven Naxals, police shootings, religious riots,
> > wars, etc.  Then there are the ordinary criminals, who while comparatively
> > non-violent are nevertheless not exactly peaceful. Then there are diseases,
> > famines, floods, strikes, gheraos, processions, snakes... no end to
> > excitement of a perilous nature in India.
> > Just the luck of the draw - if you get the short straw, you are up for it!
>
> > > and them claim the Indian Caste
> > > system is not racist.
>
> > It is not racist, as I said.  It is however endogamous, meaning that one
> > marries within the caste.  Within the caste you may have black, brown,
> > yellow, white complexions - these complexions corresponding ot various races
> > are all acceptable in principle but the fairer the colouring the higher the
> > chances of appreciation.  So the caste system is not racist - but if the
> > racists want to maintain their racism, caste is a useful system to follow.
> > That way, a white caste could remain white, by being endogamous (whites only
> > marrying whites).  Thus, oz racists (did I mean you?) need not knock the
> > caste system, as it should suit them.  In other words, caste is not racist
> > but racists could use caste to maintain their racism.  Do you understand?
> > This is an important point.
>
> > > Now I've heard it all, that would have to be one of
> > > the most stupid statements I've ever heard!
>
> > Please read what I have written a bit more carefully, if you can.
>
> > > Presumably, maintaining India's
> > > child work force,
>
> > No one maintains that.  The child work force exists because they would
> > starve to death if they did not work.  India has not been free for a
> > thousand years, and there are many evils that result from such a lack of
> > freedom.
>
> > >  killing your wife over a dowry dispute,
>
> > Not all Indians do that.  The foreign racists-bigots would not be screaming
> > about India's huge population if wives got murdered over dowry disputes!
> > Anyway, dowry has vanished in those areas where it was strong, thanks to the
> > killing of females fetuses.  Now it is difficult to get girls, around Delhi!
> > Your thinking is dated.  Technological advances have had a vast impact upon
> > social norms.
>
> > > throwing a wife
> > > onto her husband funeral pyre
>
> > In the rare cases of satidaaha (the VOLUNTARY self-immolation of a pure and
> > noble woman) there was no question of throwing the wife on the funeral pyre.
> > She would ascend the pyre, in full wedding finery, and perish with the head
> > of her husband in her lap, in the ultimate display of love and sprituality,
> > seeking reunion in the afterlife.  Only the most noble women were allowed
> > this privilege.  The high quality of family life that Indians enjoy, comes
> > as a direct consequence of such feminine self-sacrifice.
>
> > > and killing female babies are all ok with you
> > > too?
>
> > Not okay with me, for I have two daughters who are now independent and
> > happy.  Yes the Delhi and female doctor told us that we could have them
> > killed, but we were shocked instead.  But why should racist-bigots object to
> > Indians killing female babies, there will surely be less brown and pagan
> > Indians as a result?  Evidently, emotion beats self-interest! :) :)
>
> > >> What exactly is the oz system?  As far as I can see, it is based upon a
> > >> bunch of cynical clowns on TV or radio making wisecracks.
>
> > > I can see you just plan stupid and ignorant.
>
> > I am the greatest genius of all time.  Proofs below:
>
> >http://adda-enterprises.com/MMInt/MMInt.htmhttp://adda-enterprises.co...
>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Arindam Banerjee
>
> This is one of the best replies in a long time.
>
> Brilliant!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks!
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 4:42 am
From: Arindam Banerjee


On Feb 19, 4:18 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> news:yZkfn.8556$pv.5147@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chris Diesel" <die...@noaddress.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:4b7dce1b$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >>news:Jyifn.8513$pv.6275@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> >>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
>
> >>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> >>>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they have a
> >>>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others killed.
> >>>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in
> >>>>> canbera
> >>>>> and straighten out the mess.
>
> >>>>>http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
>
> >>>> What about India?
>
> >>> It is a rotten state ruled by a mediocre foreign (and white) woman with
> >>> very many corrupted or stupid sycophants in her tow.  She is voted to
> >>> power because the population thinks that the right-wing alternative
> >>> (harmony-class bundurrHindus supported by jBm-class bundurrJews and
> >>> their
> >>> rich and unscrupulous WASP slaves) is worse.
>
> >>>> Your racist government believes they are superior just because they lie
> >>>> and say they have had more lives.
>
> >>> The government of India has had nothing good or useful to do with
> >>> genuine
> >>> Indians for nearly a thousand years.  Because India has been enslaved
> >>> for
> >>> nearly a thousand years, and the process continues.
>
> It sounds like politicians in Australia. Most of us don't want an ETS but
> the government is still pushing it. I am willing to admit that the
> government uses Hinduism as an excuse to maintain their control. That's what
> governments do.

I don't know what you mean. Does the Aus govt use Hinduism as an
excuse to maintain control - like, do they say sotto voce that if you
don't do this or that we will all turn Hindus and look at what the
Hindus are like in India?

> >>>> The racist barbaric caste system is even worse then our system.
>
> >>> heh-heh, why do oz racists have issues with the Indian caste system?
> >>> Caste is not racist at all - it is endogamous and very useful.  For it
> >>> allows the retention of skills, group values and unity, in an atmosphere
> >>> of personal freedom, and quite irrespective of state authority.
>
> Why do Indian racists have a problem with aus racists? Lol

They are of different colours, and experience competition. One lot
tries to gain a footing, the other lot tries to dislodge.

> Holly crap while researching it I came across this wikipedia article
>
> Faced with a bewildering array of thousands of autonomous and hierarchically
> fluid communities (Jatis), the late 19th century British colonial
> administration decided to categorise and rank the entire Hindu population of
> India by placing each of the Jatis within the theoretical Varna scheme for
> the purposes of the decennial Census, and ostensibly for eventual
> administrative convenience.[citation needed] The 1901 Census was led by
> Herbert Hope Risley, an ICS officer with strong pet racial beliefs about the
> Indian population. Simultaneous with this first ever codification into
> secular law of Varna-based caste identities during the British empire,
> communities (Jatis) sought to place themselves on higher levels of Varna
> categories. On the other hand, most of the Jatis grouped into the lower
> caste categories rejected the Varna categories as they found this arbitrary
> classification unreasonable, unfair and unacceptable, as it did not reflect
> the reality. This newly frozen materialization of caste created a growing
> resentment firstly against the system itself and secondly against the
> Brahmins, who were seen to be the beneficiaries of the arrangement which now
> officially anointed their place at the top of the social hierarchy. The
> revolt of the Justice Party and Periyar in the south, by the Maharaja of
> Kolhapur and the outstanding scholar Dr Ambedkar in western India against
> this, in the early decades of the twentieth century, has had a profound,
> long-lasting impact on the Indian society and politics, which continues to
> this date.
>
> Dude the Caste system was started by British racists! Why the hell do you
> still have it in place! That's fucked up man.

I don't think you understood what you yourself quoted. The quote was
very useful, by the way, so thanks. There has always been enormous
competition among the jatis in India, just as there is competition
between the white and non-white racists in Australia now. Two
different castes, see?

> >> You accuses Australians of being racist
>
> > When I say "oz racists" I mean just that. I don't accuse all Australians
> > of being racist, I say that there are such things as oz racists. It does
> > NOT mean that all Australians are racists. You have comprehension issues,
> > I am afraid.
> > There are most certainly horrible racists in Australia, and the Herald-Sun
> > has just published the photos of two white racists who beat a sweet
> > harmless black Sudanese boy to death just because he was black and they
> > wanted a beat him to death simply because he was black.  Since these two
> > racists are now in jail, put there by decent Australians who form the
> > majority that is, there is no question of this majority supporting the
> > racist murderers.
> > Life here in Australia is rather less violent on the whole.  Going by my
> > own experience, that is.  But then, I have led a comparatively privileged
> > life here, and the new immigrants are facing much more hardship than I had
> > to.
> > Of course, any non-white can be murdered by the racists, as this guy was.
> > But in India, too, you could be shot or blown up by Sikh terrorists,
> > Muslim fanatics, ideologically driven Naxals, police shootings, religious
> > riots, wars, etc.  Then there are the ordinary criminals, who while
> > comparatively non-violent are nevertheless not exactly peaceful. Then
> > there are diseases, famines, floods, strikes, gheraos, processions,
> > snakes... no end to excitement of a perilous nature in India.
> > Just the luck of the draw - if you get the short straw, you are up for it!
>
> See the majority of Australians are against those racist thugs. But where is
> the evidence that attack was racially motivated? Is that what the police
> said?

In this case, it definitely was racially motivated and the Herald-Sun
gave a front-page report. The judge thought the attack was racially
motivated. The defendant said that he had once helped a black guy,
but that was not extenuating.

> Why is it when white people commit a crime against a minority they are
> racist but when a minority commits a crime against a white person the crime
> is not racially motivated?

It may be that the white guy does it for sport/fun (as in this
instance) whereas the black guy does it out of criminality (for
robbery, etc.) If the black guy says he did it for sport/fun then
yes it is racially motivated.

> >> and them claim the Indian Caste
> >> system is not racist.
>
> > It is not racist, as I said.  It is however endogamous, meaning that one
> > marries within the caste.  Within the caste you may have black, brown,
> > yellow, white complexions - these complexions corresponding ot various
> > races are all acceptable in principle but the fairer the colouring the
> > higher the chances of appreciation.  So the caste system is not racist -
> > but if the racists want to maintain their racism, caste is a useful system
> > to follow. That way, a white caste could remain white, by being endogamous
> > (whites only marrying whites).  Thus, oz racists (did I mean you?) need
> > not knock the caste system, as it should suit them.  In other words, caste
> > is not racist but racists could use caste to maintain their racism.  Do
> > you understand? This is an important point.
>
> It was started by the British. Of course it's racist!!!

No, the jati system existed for millenia. The British tried to put the
jatis under the varna system, and the different varnas they renamed as
castes. I don't think you understand, but never mind.
>
> >> Now I've heard it all, that would have to be one of
> >> the most stupid statements I've ever heard!
>
> > Please read what I have written a bit more carefully, if you can.
>
> I didn't write the other stuff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 6:50 am
From: Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times


On Feb 23, 1:29 pm, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:

Anyone has an answer to such question


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 1:51 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <4b7edb7f$0$12447$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>
> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g9idnYwupc-TxePWnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
> >
> >
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b7d59a3$0$12455$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> >>
> >> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:78adnZPymp1F5-HWnZ2dnUVZ_jkAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:4b7c691f$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> >>>> it is because the oz govt is super religious - which means they have a
> >>>> mono partisan thingy - they call it god - which wants others killed.
> >>>> as they say, like leaders like people. time for u.n. to step in canbera
> >>>> and straighten out the mess.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/separation_of_church_and_state/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> What about India? Your racist government believes they are superior just
> >>> because they lie and say they have had more lives. The racist barbaric
> >>> caste system is even worse then our system. Hypocrite.
> >>
> >> lookie here, dear. no opposition political party in india is makin an
> >> issue of things you are cookin up in well known predictable kirastani
> >> style. but we all know for a fact that the aus opposition is making an
> >> issue of religion there. there.
> >>
> > Your freaking government believes in the caste system! Why is it ok for
> > one government to advocate a religion but bad for another government to
> > advocate another? All religion is a bunch of made up fairy tales that
> > brainwash children and try to control us.
> >
> >
>
> "govt believes in caste system"? what the heck does that mean?
>
> caste sytem is not religion, ok?
> speaking of brainwashing, you got a whole bunch of unlearning to do about
> caste. the church has done a number on ya - so, what else is new?

Most people don't know that the word "caste" is foreign to Bharat.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

==============================================================================
TOPIC: BEHEADED SIKH'S COUSIN WANTS BHARATIYA CITIZENSHIP
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/f3d1d3ace160055d?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 9:18 am
From: "harmony"


i am not sure if the first amendment can take that kinda abuse.


<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100222HL0RO7V6bTWKLac9W765LHh@HkyMx...
> Arvinder could try to come to the US.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b8312ad$0$12424$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> sorry, india's resources belong to mommedans first; so says india's pm ss
>> singh.
>> so, get in line behind some 100 millions of people with burqa or ugly
>> beard.
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Forwarded message from M. W.
>> >
>> > Monday, February 22, 2010
>> >
>> > Beheaded Sikh's cousin wants Indian citizenship
>> >
>> > NDTV Correspondent
>> > Monday, February 22, 2010
>> >
>> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - On Monday morning, there were special
>> > prayers in Gurudwaras across Punjab. And outrage at the abduction and
>> > brutal beheading of Sikh youths in Pakistan's Peshawar by the
>> > Taliban. (Read & Watch: Taliban behead Sikhs: India to talk to Pak)
>> >
>> > Arvinder Singh, whose cousin Jaspal Singh was beheaded in Pakistan,
>> > and who is currently visiting India on his way back to Pakistan, told
>> > NDTV that the conditions in Pakistan were not very good for Sikhs.
>> > "Sikhs are not treated well...one who was killed, he is my
>> > cousin...we want Indian citizenship," he said.
>> >
>> > The Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandak Committee (SGPC) has appealed to
>> > the Government of India to take up the matter with Pakistan saying
>> > they will not tolerate any more incidents like this in future. The
>> > SGPC is trying to establish contact with Sikhs in Pakistan to find
>> > out more about their condition.
>> >
>> > "A delegation of the SGPC should be given permission to go there and
>> > find out what exactly happened. The Indian government should take up
>> > the matter," said Avtar Singh Makkar, SGPC chief. (Read: Taliban
>> > behead Sikh youth in Pakistan)
>> >
>> > Punjab Chief Minister Prakash Singh Badal has promised to take the
>> > matter up with the Central government.
>> >
>> > "There are certain people who do not want peace in Punjab, though
>> > three people have been kidnapped, one was killed. We will investigate
>> > the case," he said.
>> >
>> > For many years there has not been much migration of Sikhs from
>> > Pakistan. But this incident may well force the community to
>> > reconsider its options.
>> >
>> > End of forwarded message from M. W.
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>> >
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 10:44 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

- at the Statue of Liberty.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b840dde$0$12420$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> i am not sure if the first amendment can take that kinda abuse.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Arvinder could try to come to the US.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b8312ad$0$12424$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> sorry, india's resources belong to mommedans first; so says india's pm ss
> >> singh.
> >> so, get in line behind some 100 millions of people with burqa or ugly
> >> beard.
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>
> >> > Forwarded message from M. W.
> >> >
> >> > Monday, February 22, 2010
> >> >
> >> > Beheaded Sikh's cousin wants Indian citizenship
> >> >
> >> > NDTV Correspondent
> >> > Monday, February 22, 2010
> >> >
> >> > Indraprasth aka New Delhi - On Monday morning, there were special
> >> > prayers in Gurudwaras across Punjab. And outrage at the abduction and
> >> > brutal beheading of Sikh youths in Pakistan's Peshawar by the
> >> > Taliban. (Read & Watch: Taliban behead Sikhs: India to talk to Pak)
> >> >
> >> > Arvinder Singh, whose cousin Jaspal Singh was beheaded in Pakistan,
> >> > and who is currently visiting India on his way back to Pakistan, told
> >> > NDTV that the conditions in Pakistan were not very good for Sikhs.
> >> > "Sikhs are not treated well...one who was killed, he is my
> >> > cousin...we want Indian citizenship," he said.
> >> >
> >> > The Shiromani Gurudwara Parbandak Committee (SGPC) has appealed to
> >> > the Government of India to take up the matter with Pakistan saying
> >> > they will not tolerate any more incidents like this in future. The
> >> > SGPC is trying to establish contact with Sikhs in Pakistan to find
> >> > out more about their condition.
> >> >
> >> > "A delegation of the SGPC should be given permission to go there and
> >> > find out what exactly happened. The Indian government should take up
> >> > the matter," said Avtar Singh Makkar, SGPC chief. (Read: Taliban
> >> > behead Sikh youth in Pakistan)
> >> >
> >> > Punjab Chief Minister Prakash Singh Badal has promised to take the
> >> > matter up with the Central government.
> >> >
> >> > "There are certain people who do not want peace in Punjab, though
> >> > three people have been kidnapped, one was killed. We will investigate
> >> > the case," he said.
> >> >
> >> > For many years there has not been much migration of Sikhs from
> >> > Pakistan. But this incident may well force the community to
> >> > reconsider its options.
> >> >
> >> > End of forwarded message from M. W.
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >> >
> >> > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> >> > educational
> >> > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may
> >> > not
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> >> > the
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TOPIC: Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 12:31 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>
> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>
>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html

Dhanyavaad for your post.
Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 12:55 pm
From: "Doug"


<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
> In article
> <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>>
>> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>>
>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
> Dhanyavaad for your post.
> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>

Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
Hindus"?

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 1:33 pm
From: carole


On Feb 24, 7:55 am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> <use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> messagenews:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
>
> > In article
> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>
> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>
> >>http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
>
> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>
> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> Hindus"?
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>

What's your point?
That all muslims are evil because of one incident?

carole
www.conspiracee.com

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:53 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <hm1fc7$2km$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

> > In article
> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> >>
> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html

> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti

> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>

Read about the history of Bharat. Also read about the forced conversions by Christians.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:56 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <be1c87fd-3d97-498c-a68d-de1f1cf76f1d@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> posted:

> On Feb 24, 7:55=A0am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:

> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

> > > In article
> > > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
> >
> > >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
> >
> > >> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri..=

> > > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti

> > Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> > Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>

> What's your point?
> That all muslims are evil because of one incident?
>
> carole

Islam instructs Muslims to commit terrorism.
(If a Muslim doesn't follow Islam, then he or she is not really a Muslim.)

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:31 pm
From: "Bob Hawke"

"carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:be1c87fd-3d97-498c-a68d-de1f1cf76f1d@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 24, 7:55 am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> <use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> messagenews:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
>
> > In article
> > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>
> >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
> >> Islam
>
> >>http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri...
>
> > Dhanyavaad for your post.
> > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>
> Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
> Hindus"?
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>

What's your point?
That all muslims are evil because of one incident?

carole
www.conspiracee.com

One INCIDENT! Read the contents of this web site which has been collated.
It only documents just a few instances. ISLAM is a SICK CULT NOT A
RELIGION.

No religion in the modern world has allowed or promoted TERRORISM - Islam
has.

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/islam.htm

The bottom line is that 80% of Australians don't want any more of this SHIT
coming here and those who arrived here by false pretenses deported.


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:26 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"


"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223C97h1QmT4VzQY4iZejd6bVv@Tj8Zc...
> In article
> <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe2f5@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>>
>> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to Islam
>>
>>
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-christian-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html
>
> Dhanyavaad for your post.
> Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
> is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
> Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Hey hater if they were beating up a gay person I will bet you would like to
join in. You would make an excellent Muslim as Muslims and you hate gay
people.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 3:27 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"


"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100223J5IRNwDJguyez764dLWxp4C@AeM5y...
> In article
> <be1c87fd-3d97-498c-a68d-de1f1cf76f1d@t31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> posted:
>
>> On Feb 24, 7:55=A0am, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>> > > In article
>> > > <878830fe-92e1-460e-bc32-1a004d9fe...@j6g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>> >
>> > >> Muslim brothers beat Pakistani Christian for refusing to convert to
>> > >> Islam
>> >
>> > >> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/muslim-brothers-beat-pakistani-chri..=
>
>> > > Dhanyavaad for your post.
>> > > Islam is trying to eradicate Christianity, Christianity
>> > > is trying to wipe out Islam, and both are against Hindus.
>> > > Will Islam and Christianity neutralize each other soon?
>> > >
>> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > > Om Shanti
>
>> > Huh? I don't know any Christians who are "against
>> > Hindus"? - "Doug" <andxornot@gmail.com>
>
>> What's your point?
>> That all muslims are evil because of one incident?
>>
>> carole
>
> Islam instructs Muslims to commit terrorism.
> (If a Muslim doesn't follow Islam, then he or she is not really a Muslim.)
>
No really? And if a Christian doesn't follow the teachings of Yeshua then he
or she isn't really a Christian. Oh the horror.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:35 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Victory to the gods

By Claude Arpi
Editorial
The Pioneer
Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Just a couple of days after the 'historic' meeting between US
President Barack Obama and the Dalai Lama (I don't consider it as
truly historic as previous American Presidents have also met the
Tibetan leader), a photo appeared on the Internet. It was taken by an
AFP photographer and was apparently released by the White House. One
sees a smiling Dalai Lama coming out from what is said to be the
kitchen door of the White House, with piles of garbage on the side. A
pro-Tibetan group based in India commented, "Orphans of the Cold
War!"

I don't know about the Cold War, but the Tibetans are certainly
'orphans' today. Even nations and leaders who pretend to stand for
human rights, democracy or free speech are panicky about China's new
might. As a result, these countries only pay lip service to human
values.

Even if Mr Obama had planned for a low-key encounter, the Dalai Lama
should have been given a decent exit. Sadly, the most powerful nation
of the world chooses today to bow to the economic rise of the Middle
Kingdom. Even before seeing this picture, my first reaction to the
long-awaited meeting was: It is only good for Obama's karma.

Will it have positive results for the Tibetans? I am not sure.
Several friends told me that it is better to meet the US President
than not to meet him; they are probably right, however, at the same
time, I don't think one can expect miracles from the Dalai Lama's
Washington visit.

Most of the media covering the event emphasised on Mr Obama's
courage: He dared to defy Chinese anger (or diktats?) to meet the
Tibetan leader. Well, it is probably the minimum that the new Nobel
Laureate could do. How could he refuse to receive the Tibetan leader
when his predecessors have met him?

Before the event, Lodi Gyari, the Dalai Lama's special envoy had set
a conciliatory tone: "His Holiness will be asking the President to
help find a solution in resolving the Tibet issue that would be
mutually beneficial to the Tibetan and Chinese people."

On their side the Chinese Government had as usual requested
Washington to cancel the meeting which would 'damage' Sino-American
relations. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu declared:
"China resolutely opposes the visit by the Dalai Lama to the United
States, and resolutely opposes US leaders having contact with the
Dalai Lama."

So, Mr Obama 'discretely' met the Dalai Lama in the Map Room of the
White House where American Presidents usually stage hush-hush
meetings.

The Obama Administration termed the encounter as a "private call" and
though White House spokesman Robert Gibb declared that the President
supported "the preservation of Tibet's unique religious, cultural and
linguistic identity and the protection of human rights for Tibetans
in China", it is not clear how the US will practically translate this
on the ground for the Tibetans.

The meeting was certainly good for Mr Obama's image since his
popularity is tumbling fast (mainly due to domestic policies and his
position on Afghanistan). A recent survey pointed that about 52 per
cent Americans believe that Mr Obama does not deserve a second term
in office. In another CNN opinion poll, released on the eve of the
meeting in the Map Room, nearly three-quarters of the Americans said
that Tibet should be an independent country, (even if the Dalai Lama
does not ask for independence anymore).

The strong feeling of Americans was an important factor in the
decision by the Obama Administration to brave Beijing's ire. But what
will it bring to the Tibetans? The Chinese leaders today are too
arrogant to listen to anything coming out of Washington. In fact,
they strongly resent any advice from the West. Moreover, the US is
deep in debt. What can a country with such a huge debt towards China
impose on the Rising Dragon?

The Tibetan issue is extremely complex and the present leadership in
Beijing does not possess the courage or the charisma to take the
plunge and offer a genuine solution acceptable to the Tibetan people.
This is a pity because the Dalai Lama is the only person who could
help sort out the present contradictions of China. It is, however,
true that a genuine solution would bring about tremendous changes
inside China and perhaps the collapse of the present system under a
totalitarian Communist regime.

Another aspect of the problem appeared in an event which took place
in north-eastern Tibet (outside the Tibetan Autonomous Region).
Thousands of Tibetans demonstrated in Ngaba County of Amdo Province.
It was not like in March 2008 to express their anger against the
Chinese, but to show their joy: Their leader had met the most
powerful man in the world.

The website Phayul.com reported: "The mournful atmosphere of the
Tibetan New Year was replaced by jubilation with people bursting
firecrackers in the streets and celebrating." Crowds from nearby
villages gathered near Ngaba Kirti monastery for a purification
ritual; they burned incense and erected wind-horse prayer flags.
Thousands marched in the streets and shouted "ki ki so so lha gyalo"
(victory to the gods) while throwing tsampa (barley flour) in the
air. Apparently the Chinese security forces did not know how to react
to the incense-burning. The Chinese police eventually confiscated the
firecrackers from the Tibetans and extinguished the ritual fires.

The day after Mr Obama met the Dalai Lama, I happened to attend a
dance performance by a group of Tibetan students who were perhaps 13
to 14 years old; they were not professional dancers, just students
who, during their holidays, had learned some steps and songs. But
they were really good. Their eagerness to preserve their ancient
culture was quite touching. Interestingly, most of the youngsters
were born in Tibet and had only come recently to India to learn about
their own tradition.

I believe this is one of the greatest achievements of the Dalai Lama:
More than 50 years after having fled his country, the culture of the
Roof of the World is still very much alive in India. The preservation
of the age-old culture will certainly one day make a difference. In
the meantime, if you visit China, do a Google search for Tibet -- you
will get a blank screen. Let us hope that Mr Obama will do something
to change this. Half of the Dalai Lama's problem would then be
solved.

http://dailypioneer.com/238252/Victory-to-the-gods.html

More at:
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:41 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


A diabolical ploy

By Chandan Mitra
Op-Ed
The Pioneer
Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Those with separatist sympathies have deliberately distorted what is
an unambiguous denunciation of appeasement-peddlers who want India to
concede Pakistan's unacceptable demands on J&K

I am aghast at the diabolical attempt by certain persons with obvious
separatist sympathies to distort my article "A 'moth-eaten' India?"
which appeared in The Pioneer on Sunday, February 21, 2010. A canard
is being spread by a Kashmiri commentator Iftikhar Gilani, who writes
for the Kashmir Times, that I have argued against the BJP's stand on
Jammu & Kashmir and advocated "free Kashmir or joint sovereignty" for
the State. I am truly appalled by the deliberate and motivated
distortion of my beliefs by Mr Gilani and his ilk.

In my article, I had strongly denounced the views of a "small but
influential section of public opinion in India", which often argues
that New Delhi should think out of the box and consider options such
as "joint sovereignty" and even consider "giving up" the State in
view of the mounting loss of lives. Having summarised their utterly
ridiculous suggestions, which are now being mischievously attributed
to me, I went on to describe these people as "appeasement-peddlers".
I accused them of overlooking the bloodthirsty diatribe of jihadi
leaders like Abdur Rehman Makki and other "luminaries of the Rogue's
Gallery of terror", namely, leaders of Jamaat-ud-Dawa'h which I
described as a euphemism for Lashkar-e-Tayyeba.

The entire thrust of my article was that there cannot be any
compromise with jihadi elements who have vowed to dismember Jammu &
Kashmir from India. I sharply criticised the UPA Government's
ambivalent stand with reference to India's capitulation before
Pakistan at Sharm el-Sheikh. I concluded by warning the nation
against the jihadi and Pakistani plot to wage a 1,000-year war on
India to make it a moth-eaten entity.

Anybody with rudimentary knowledge of the English language could not
have misunderstood my argument. Therefore, to pick out my summary of
the views of separatists and their closet sympathisers in India
smacks of a wily, premeditated ploy to mislead and confuse the
people. It is also aimed at embarrassing the BJP for I am a member of
its National Executive and speak in its support at various public
forums, including television channels.

I strongly denounce this pre-planned mischief-making. There is no
question of my having ever supported the separatists' argument. Jammu
& Kashmir is an integral part of India and the country will not
countenance the diabolical attempt by jihadi groups, assisted by a
handful of home-grown separatists and sections of the Pakistani
establishment, to tear India apart -- whether by force or fanciful
formulas like "joint sovereignty".

http://dailypioneer.com/238278/A-diabolical-ploy.html

More at:
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 23 2010 2:50 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Canard as comment

By Hari Om
Op-Ed
The Pioneer
Wednesday, February 24, 2010

By falsely attributing to Chandan Mitra the separatists' demand that
India must surrender Kashmir Valley to Pakistan, Kashmir Times has
chosen to play a sinister game

A Delhi-based Kashmiri commentator on Jammu & Kashmir affairs,
Iftikhar Gilani, who is a close relative of the pro-Pakistani
separatist Syed Ali Shah Geelani and also writes for a local English
daily, The Kashmir Times, has expressed surprise over the "views" as,
according to him, expressed by Chandan Mitra in his article "A 'moth-
eaten' India?" published in The Pioneer on Sunday, February 21.
Actually, Iftikhar Gilani has distorted everything and shamelessly
put his own words in the mouth of Chandan Mitra to create confusion
and mislead public opinion.

A former member of the Rajya Sabha, Chandan Mitra is a member of the
BJP National Executive and editor of The Pioneer, which is perhaps
the only national English language newspaper whose concept of India
is what it should be. The extent of the ill-motivated 'surprise'
expressed by Iftikhar Gilani can be gauged from the fact that he has
described the "views of the BJP think-tank as a sharp U-turn".

It would be appropriate to quote verbatim those portions of his
front-page story, "Free Kashmir or joint sovereignty is BJP think-
tank's new mantra", published in the Kashmir Times on Tuesday,
February 23, which have, according to him, sprung a 'surprise' on
him. The relevant portions of story read: "A sharp U-turn of the
Bharatiya Janata Party on Kashmir was taken by one of its top think-
tank members suggesting India give up its claim on the Valley or go
for the joint-sovereignty. . . The BJP may wriggle out (by)
describing it as a personal view of Mitra and not that of the party
as it did in the wake of a series of articles by former Union
Minister Arun Shourie, but still such views coming from one of its
think-tanks are surprising. . .".

It would be no exaggeration if it is said that Iftikhar Gilani has
violated all the cardinal principles of journalism by putting his own
words in the mouth of Chandan Mitra.

What exactly did Chandan Mitra write in his Sunday column? He, among
other things, wrote: "A small but influential section of public
opinion in India has been pleading for 'flexibility' in the
Government's approach to the Kashmir issue. Some important opinion-
makers have, in fact, gone on record to suggest that India will gain,
not lose, stature if it gives up the Kashmir Valley in order to buy
peace with Pakistan. At any rate, we will stop bleeding in the Valley
and the world would look upon us as a mature, self-assured, emerging
global power once the 'thorn' of Kashmir is removed. . . They argue
that none other than Jawaharlal Nehru internationalised the issue by
scurrying to the UN in 1948 and pledged India to conduct a plebiscite
in the State."

Quoting whom he described as "appeasement-peddlers", Chandan Mitra
further wrote: "After losing nearly 1,00,000 lives in 22 years of
insurgency, isn't it high time that Delhi considered this 'out-of-
the-box' solution? And if that is not quite practical yet, what about
joint sovereignty? Why can't undivided Jammu & Kashmir have a united
quasi-Parliament thereby abolishing borders and giving equal say to
India, Pakistan and the 'people' of the State over its destiny?
Washington, which loves such complex arrangements that facilitate a
permanent foothold for itself in strategic regions, (erstwhile
Yugoslavia being a case in point) has privately pushed this line for
long. There may not be too many takers for such abject capitulation,
but the fact that these views are increasingly aired in public
appears to have put the Government on the defensive. Under pressure
from Washington, New Delhi stonewalled the legitimate demand to call
off the proposed Foreign Secretary-level talks despite last week's
blast in Pune."

That Chandan Mitra nowhere endorsed these controversial views,
barring the views on the American pressure, becomes clear from what
he wrote in the following paragraph: "This section of appeasement-
peddlers are, therefore, certain to overlook the menacing threat
conveyed earlier this month by Jamaat-ud-Dawa'h (euphemism for
Laskhar-e-Tayyeba) deputy chief Abdur Rehman Makki. Speaking at a
Kashmir Day rally in Islamabad on February 5, the fire-spewing Makki
not only let slip that Pune was on their radar, but also declared
that jihad was also to be waged against the alleged denial of river
water to Pakistan. This is a very significant addition to Pakistan's
agenda, doubly important because it is a 'secular' inter-governmental
matter rather than emotional or Islamist. The annexation of Kashmir
on grounds of its denominational character is a declared jihadi
objective. But Talibani/jihadi forces had so far refrained from
dovetailing this issue with other disputed matters between India and
Pakistan."

And, what is the operative part of Chandan Mitra's article? It reads:
"Who knows what more will be added to the jihadi wish-list in the
years to come? Hyderabad, Junagadh, Assam, Kolkata? Jinnah complained
in 1947 that he had been tricked into accepting a 'moth-eaten
Pakistan'. The jihadis are carrying forward the promised 1,000-year
war to reduce India to a moth-eaten entity, within and without."

The meaning of what he wrote is clear: Even if you hand over Kashmir
to Pakistan on a platter or even if India goes in for supra-state
measures in order to empower Islamabad to exercise co-equal powers
with New Delhi in the Indian State, Pakistan would continue to bleed
India with a thousand cuts.

Even a naïve person would agree that what Chandan Mitra has written
is nothing but a scathing attack on the Congress-led UPA Government
and its foreign policy which has enabled Pakistan to score diplomatic
victories and humble and harm India.

His whole refrain, which is quite visible in his entire article, is
that the authorities in New Delhi are pandering to jihadis, thus
emboldening them further to expand their anti-India agenda. His
comments on the July 16, 2009 Sharm el-Sheikh India-Pakistan joint
statement, the Pakistani designs on Indus waters, the future of the
Pakistani state and possibility of the jihadis taking over the
Pakistani political and military establishments and nuclear
installations, India's humiliation at the London Conference and the
conclave in Turkey, exclusion of India from the core group on
Afghanistan, resumption of talks with a "rogue" Pakistan and so on,
all indicate Chandan Mitra's grave concern over what has been
happening for quite sometime now.

- The writer is Dean of Social Sciences, University of Jammu, and
former member of Indian Council of Historical Research.

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