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Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 10:30 pm
From: kangarooistan

On Jan 29, 3:20 pm, and/or (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
> Forwarded message from "Vera Pai" <>
> [ Subject: How many have died since biblical times?
> [ From: "Vera Pai" <>
> [ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004
> How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
> Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church
> Authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
> Ancient Pagans
> As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples
> were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. Between 315
> and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
> Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
> Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
> Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
> famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] Pagan services became punishable
> by death in 356. [DA468]
> Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
> because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
> According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all
> Christian teachings..." In 6th century pagans were declared void of all
> rights. In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
> demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
> The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
> pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
> Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.[DO19-25]
> Mission
> Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert
> to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
> Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
> taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, wome and children slain 5/27/1234 near
> Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
> Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
> 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
> Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
> 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
> Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived
> without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods,
> cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more
> successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter
> Raleigh, ordered that "the heads of all those (of whatsoever they were)
> which were killed in the die, should be cut off from their bodies... and
> should bee laid on the ground by each side of the waie", which effort to
> civilize the Irish indeed caused "great terror to the people when they
> saw the heads of their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolk, and
> friends on the ground". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim
> to the carnage. [SH99,
> 225] Crusades (1095-1291) First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban
> II. [WW11-41]
> Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
> thousands. [WW23] .9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish),
> thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
> Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
> (Number of slain unknown) [WW30] fter 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish)
> conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl.
> women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
> Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the
> Enemy's] tents -- save that they ran their lance hrough their bellies,"
> according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
> Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
> subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by
> the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
> Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
> men, women, and children). [WW3 0] In the words of one witness: "there
> [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were
> wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily
> and crying for joy our people
> Marched to our Savior's tomb, to honor it and to pay off our debt of
> gratitude"). e Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible
> to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere
> lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the
> blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies
> and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
> all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the
> victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous
> Sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that
> within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished."
> [TG79]
> Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following
> summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
> decomposition. One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]Battle of
> Askalon, /12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our
> Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
> Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
> unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
> Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably
> 20 million victims (in the Holy Land and Arab/Turkish areas alone).
> [WW224]
> Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
> Heretics
> Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and
> six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
> Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice
> birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was
> exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372
> C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
> Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians.
> [DO29]
> The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely
> sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman
> Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
> Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single
> pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
> destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including
> Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends)
> 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
> Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
> subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
> population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were
> Exterminated. [WW183]
> After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search
> and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake
> 1324. [WW183]. Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy
> alone), [WW183] Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians,
> Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe
> some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of
> persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the
> Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
> Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220
> burnings. [DO28]
> John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned
> at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]. University professor B.Hubmaier
> burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
> Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for
> seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori
> (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
> Witches
> From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
> thousand. In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern
> scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake
> or Hanged. [WV]incomplete list of documented cases:The Burning of
> Witches -- A Chronicle of the Burning Times
> Religious Wars
> 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
> 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
> English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into
> action). [DO31]
> 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million
> rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
> [DO31]
> 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
> Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
> 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader.
> After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off
> his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the
> river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for
> the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ...
> to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and
> Crows'." [SH191]
> 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly
> 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found
> beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking
> the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
> 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
> population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
> Jews
> Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by
> Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
> In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed
> on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first
> synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on
> command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
> 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property
> confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
> The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would
> not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
> First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total.
> Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons),
> Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund,
> Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany
> except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
> Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
> Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
> Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
> Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
> 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
> Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
> 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
> 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51
> towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
> 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
> burned. [DO41]
> 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
> alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200
> years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
> 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
> 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were
> slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy
> by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age
> of ten had been forced to wear.
> 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
> 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way:
> 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
> 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
> [DO43]
> (I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right
> into the kilns of Auschwitz.
> Native Peoples
> Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy
> Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means
> to propagate Christianity.
> Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered
> in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who,
> he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made
> Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion."
> [SH200]
> While Columbus described the Indians as "idolaters" and "slaves, as
> many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian
> nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are
> hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
> On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
> declarations that are required" -- the equerimiento -- to claim the
> ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If
> the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding),
> the requerimiento continued:
> "I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter
> in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject
> you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all
> mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive
> their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]
> Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts
> Bay Colony: "justifying the undertakers of the intended Plantation in
> New England ... to carry the Gospel into those parts of the world, ...
> and to raise a Bulwark against the kingdom of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
> In average two thirds of the native population were killed by
> colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the
> marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course,
> e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as
> "for the natives, they are near all dead of
> the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
> possess." [SH109,238]
> On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population
> (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant
> natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000
> Dead. [SH204]
> The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and
> Spanish raids.
> As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not
> be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The
> stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
> The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and
> burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged
> him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven,
> rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the
> Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
> What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
> "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties
>  They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the
> ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in
> honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was
> wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."
> [SH72]
> Or, on another occasion:
> "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and
> from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and
> mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain
> like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn
> to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
> The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
> Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half
> before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were
> exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other
> Caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus
> "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively
> liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than
> the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of
> millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been
> exterminated." [SH75]
> "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico
> and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city
> of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
> Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors
> likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
> Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida). ."When the 16th century ended, some
> 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more
> than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]
> Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
> America.
> Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native
> help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare
> among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to
> European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer
> land. In the words of some of the Pilgrim Fathers:
> "Their Wars are far less bloody..." so that there usually was "no great
> slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven years and not
> kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and
> children. [SH111]
> In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
> (generally friendly and generous) natives ttractive enough to leave
> Jamestown -- "being idle ... did run away unto the Indians," -- to live among
> them (that probably solved a sex problem).
> "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'some he
> appointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheels,
> others to be staked and some shot to death'." [SH105] Of course these
> elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the
> treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
> choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia"
> methods were ifferent: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of
> stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack
> the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
> On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the
> colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the
> "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees
> from resection in their own home country England.
> When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by
> Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian
> chief's pledge they attacked.
> Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after,
> because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the
> Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned
> their villages.
> The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote:
> "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their
> Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames,
> where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies
> and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ...
> Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen,
> filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
> So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and
> to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111]. Because of his
> readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to
> quote the words that immediately follow:
> "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
> destroy them..." (Deut 20)
> Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the
> bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers
> that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish
> with their parents". [SH114]
> Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The
> colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour
> children from their mother's breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood
> Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was
> inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
> In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was
> near. [SH107-119]
> The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in
> servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a
> share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girl and a boy if
> you think good'." [SH115]
> Other tribes were to follow the same path.
> Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last
> give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his
> Beauty!" "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to
> lick the
> Dust!" [TA]
> Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were
> signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure
> upon (sic) the treatise', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we
> shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cut down their
> Corn'." [SH106]
> In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
> men, women and children. [SH107]
> In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
> Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Matter, revered pastor of
> the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a
> 'barbecue'." [SH115]
> To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki
> people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a
> century later about 250 remained alive -- a destruction rate of 98%. The
> ocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they
> were down to 920 -- 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had
> numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 -- 95%
> destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years
> later barely 6000 were alive -- 81% destroyed.
> [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living
> before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this
> was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the
> carnage was not over then.
> All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it
> was before the frontier age actually had begun. A total of maybe more
> than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period
> of 1500 to 900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other
> epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad
> treatment and slavery. In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this
> continues even today.
> More Glorious events in US history
> Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
> leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to he Massachusetts Governor that
> the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train
> large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
> Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
> former Methodist ministers and still elder in the church ("I long to be
> wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and
> children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag:
> 400-500 killed.
> From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
> collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six
> years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few
> steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were
> afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
> More gory details.
> By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the
> carnage that by then had reduced those slands' native population by 90
> percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total
> die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary
> said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased
> members of the body'." [SH244]
> 20th Century Church Atrocities
> Catholic extermination camps
> Surpassingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II
> were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years
> 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by
> Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing
> Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration
> camps exclusively for children!
> In these camps -- the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a
> Franciscan friar -- orthodox-Christian Serbian (and a substantial number of
> Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their
> victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims
> gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or
> shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and
> 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan
> friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the
> Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to
> Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
> nothing to prevent them. [MV]
> Catholic terror in Vietnam
> In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters -- the Viet Minh -- had finally
> defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had
> been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion.
> Although the coteries assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist
> Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns
> many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in
> Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S.
> politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of
> Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which
> could have brought the communist
> Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo
> Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
> Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance
> was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were
> ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for
> free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman
> Catholicism.
> The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
> counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
> "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
> security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
> Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and
> monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of
> Buddhist teachers -- male and female -- and monks poured gasoline over
> themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in
> comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison
> camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even
> Catholic rotesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is
> estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000
> were wounded -- mostly in street riots -- 80,000 people were executed,
> 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to
> concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
> To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of
> American GI's lost their life.
> Christianity kills the cat
> On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
> college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she
> had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two
> Catholic priests -- with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of
> Würzburg -- additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl
> with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital --
> her body was littered with wounds -- her parents, both of them fanatical
> Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
> medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss
> Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of
> similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was
> notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
> This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and
> has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
> Rwanda Massacres
> In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months
> several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict
> of the Hutu and Tootsie ethnic groups. For quite some time I heard only
> rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda
> massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic Church
> journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
> Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany -- a station not
> at all critical to Christianity -- the following was stated:
> "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
> actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
> Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital
> Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and
> allegedly murdered Tootsies in the most brutal manner. He is reported to
> have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact
> there has been a bloody laughter of Tootsies seeking shelter in his
> parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set
> foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation
> of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established.
> There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees -- women,
> children, old -- being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
> According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tootsies and
> turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia. In connection with
> these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of
> whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid
> prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and
> led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her
> monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were
> murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other
> one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of
> the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched
> the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response.
> She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to
> set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
> As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never
> come to an end.
> References:
> [DA] K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
> [DO]K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
> [EC] P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
> [EJ]S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
> [LI]H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
> [MM M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
> [MV] A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
> See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo
> NY, 1992.
> [NC] J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the
> Catholic
> Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
> [S2] Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.
> [SH]D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
> [SP]German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
> [TA]A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have
> Hapned
> in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England,
> London 1676.
> [TG] F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
> [WW]H.Wollschläger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich
> 1973.
> (This is in German and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is
> The best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of
> Original medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).
> [WV]Estimates on the number of executed witches:
> N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch
> Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
> R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York
> 1959, 180.
> J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
> H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.
> End of forwarded message from "Vera Pai" <>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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100 times MORE than all other religions COMBINED

We are white Christians and we want to HELP save you ,
were the last words most Tasmanian Aboriginals ever heard

will Afghans and Iraqis fall for the same TRAP ?

We all KNOW what happened when Palestinians accepted western HELP in
1915 same as Tasmania in 1815 , who will be their 2015 victims??

Having been unable to defeat the afghan and Iraqi resistance freedom
fighters , the western colonial occupiers have chosen to trick the
Afghans into a trap exactly like they did to the Tasmanian
Aboriginals , its the only option left as the western military have
been ground to a halt and thoroughly defeated humiliated and

the Australians suggested the "TASMANIAN solution" is now the only
hope of defeating the Iraqi and afghan resistance , trick them into
surrendering then disarm and wipe them out with disease and poison

Fortunatly some Tasmanian aboriginals descendants in south australia
married men from Afghanistan and Baluchistan and their children will
WARN the Afghans what to expect from the White christian colonial

Prior to British colonisation in 1803, there were an estimated up to
8,000 tasmanian Aboriginals A number of historians point to introduced
disease as the major cause of the destruction of the full-blooded
Aboriginal population.[1][2][3][4] Geoffrey Blainey wrote that by 1830
in Tasmania: "Disease had killed most of them but warfare and private
violence had also been devastating."[5]

Other historians regard the Black War, as one of the earliest recorded
modern genocides.[6]

Benjamin Madley wrote: "Despite over 170 years of debate over who or
what was responsible for this near-extinction, no consensus exists on
its origins, process, or whether or not it was genocide." [7]

In February 1830, the government offered a bounty of £5 per adult and
£2 per child, for Aborigines captured alive.[11] On 20 August 1830,
Governor Arthur's office issued a clarification that rewards were only
for Aborigines caught whilst engaged in aggression in the settled
districts, and that settlers or convicts who went out and captured
"inoffensive Natives in the remote of the remote and unsettled parts
of the territory" would not receive a reward.

During the same year, Governor Arthur called upon every able-bodied
male colonist, convict or free, to form a human chain, later known as
the Black Line, to perform a sweep of the area. As in game hunting,
the men swept across the settled districts, moving south and east for
several weeks, in an attempt to corral the Aborigines on the Tasman
Peninsula by closing off Eaglehawk Neck, the isthmus connecting the
Tasman peninsula to the rest of the island. Arthur intended to have
the Aborigines live together on the peninsula where they could
maintain their culture and language.

During the Beagle survey expedition, Charles Darwin visited Tasmania
in February 1836 and noted in his diary that "The Aboriginal blacks
are all removed & kept (in reality as prisoners) in a Promontory, the
neck of which is guarded. I believe it was not possible to avoid this
cruel step; although without doubt the misconduct of the Whites first
led to the Necessity."[13]

By 1833, George Augustus Robinson persuaded the approximately 200
Tasmanian Aborigines survivors to surrender themselves with assurances
that they would be protected and provided for.

They were moved to Wybalenna Aboriginal Establishment on Flinders
Island, where diseases continued to reduce their numbers even further.
In 1847, the last 47 living inhabitants of Wybalenna were transferred
to Oyster Cove, south of Hobart, on the main island of Tasmania.
There, the very last of the full blooded Tasmanian alive in Tasmania ,
a woman called Trugernanner (often rendered as Truganini), died in

Truganini sister out survived Truganini by hiding on kangaroo Island
and refuse HELP from Robinson many times

All of the Indigenous Tasmanian languages have been lost. Currently
there are some efforts to reconstruct a language from the available
wordlists. Today, some thousands of people living in Tasmania and
elsewhere can trace part of their ancestry to the Palawa, since a
number of Palawa women were abducted, most commonly by the sealers
living on smaller islands in Bass Strait; some women were traded or
bartered for; and a number voluntarily associated themselves with
European sealers and settlers and bore children.

According to a report in The Times Truganini later married a
Tasmanian known as "King Billy" who died in March 1871?/ 1869 ??.[7]

By 1873, Trugernanner was the sole survivor of the Oyster Cove group,
and was again moved to Hobart.

She died three years later, having requested that her ashes be
scattered in the D'Entrecasteaux Channel; she was, however, buried at
Cascades, a suburb of Hobart.fora short time then put on public

But until the late 1870s, three Tasmanian Aboriginal women – Sal,
Sukey and Betty – remained on kangaroo island . They continued to live
traditionally, clearing the land with fire and hunting with dogs. All
three women outlived Trukanini.their children mostly moving to live on
nearby South australia to this day , even surviving 7 nuclear bomb
blasts at maralinga in the 1950s , to be able to WARN the world what
white christians are really like

Truganinis skeleton was exhumed by the Royal Society of Tasmania and
later placed on Tasmanian museum[8]

Only in April 1976, approaching the centenary of her death, were
Trugernanner's remains finally cremated and scattered according to her

Trugernanner is considered to be the last speaker of the Tasmanian
language,[11] though others consider Fanny Cochrane Smith, a half-
white woman who lived into the twentieth century, to be the last
speaker of Tasmanian.[citation needed]

In 1997 the Royal Albert Memorial Museum, Exeter, returned
Trugernini's necklace and bracelet to Tasmania.

In 2002, some of her hair and skin were found in the collection of the
Royal College of Surgeons of England and returned to Tasmania for

I wonder if the Afghan and Iraqi resistance will FALL into the SAME
colonial TRAP used to steal Tasmania , and most of the USA and
Australia from its owners by pretending to offer help and work and
housing and food , while their real plot was to slowly strangle the
life from their unsuspecting victims , one after another across the

accept white christians ' help " at your childrens peril , we all
know how it ALWAYS ends when christian western colonialists invade
then offer to HELP if the locals cooperate and obey orders from the
new masters , even then they

her skeleton was acquired by the Royal Society of Tasmania in 1878.
This acquisition of her bones was the antithesis of her expressed
wishes. After a lengthy legal battle with the trustees of the
Tasmanian Museum the Aboriginal community in Tasmania were able to
have her bones cremated on the 30th of April 1976

We are white Christians and we want to HELP save you ,
were the last words most Tasmanian Aboriginals ever heard

will Afghans and Iraqis fall for the same TRAP ?

We all KNOW what happened when Palestinians accepted western HELP in
1915 same as Tasmania in 1815 , who will be their 2015 victims??

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 11:57 pm
From: kangarooistan

On Jan 29, 5:16 pm, Krudd the Dud
<> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:20:56 GMT, and/ Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> >How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
> Obviously not enough Muslims.

Muslims learned what white christians were like inthe Crusades mate

Muslims now KNOW what jews are like

Muslims KNOW justice ALWAYS takes time mate

the pictures and statues of JUSTICE show she has a big sword and a set

No clock needed mate

JUSTICE IS INEVITABLE for every last drop of muslim blood EVER shed

its only a matter of time, Muslims simply dont care how long it takes
to bleed western taxpayers to death and remove Israel and punish the
jewish war criminals

it took several centuries to bleed western taxpayers to death/ =dark
ages , during the Crusades , that left 500 years of world peace and
the golden age of sciences arts and civilizations flourished around
the world once western taxpayers ran out of money to fund endless
unwinnable wars

Thank GOD western taxpayers are AGAIN bankrupt and world PEACE is


TOPIC: An oldie by Lata Mangeshkar

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 11:08 pm
From: Mirza Ghalib

On Jan 28, 12:03 am, and/or (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <>,
>  Mirza Ghalib <> posted:
> > "Badi Mushkil hai, Ajab mera Dil hai, na jaane kise chahe, na jaane
> > kise dhoondhey"
> > From the picture "Chingari" (around 1955)
> > After a long search I found this Lata oldie at the following address
> >
> Good find. Allow me to translate it for those who don't
> know the language:
> It is very difficult. Strange is my heart, neither does it
> know how to desire someone, nor does it know how to find someone.
> I have corrected Lata ji's last name in the Subject header.
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Thanks for the correction. There is no reference to this film
at the customary places, such as IMDB. Even a search
under google did not locate it. Perhaps it was a megaflop
or was not released at all. In any case, the cast and
crew were as follows:

Year produced: 1954
Producer: CO. OP. PICS.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 11:26 pm
From: Mirza Ghalib

On Jan 28, 12:03 am, and/or (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <>,
> Om Shanti

And the lyrics were written by the great Shailendra.


== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 11:42 pm
From: Kyle

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:32:09 -0800 (PST), RichA <>

>On Jan 28, 5:38�pm, and/or (Dr.
>Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>> Avatar Is Heaven for America Haters
>> James Cameron's depiction of Americans as vile oppressors practically
>> invites terrorists to take up arms against the U.S.

>Except that the peace-loving Na'vi who live in harmony with their
>environment (I know, it's an old, pure B.S. way of looking at the
>American Indian) are NOTHING like the radical Muslims or the weak-
>minded teens to whom an anti-American film like this might appeal.

Exactly! I don't see the connection and I can't see this film as

The movie is a kind of patriotic themed film and you can see also the
Na'vi as the Americans reclaming their independence from the British.

I'm just saying that the main theme is just Freedom, and it's a value
that can be applied to any culture, Country and Historical event.

It reminded me Bravehart, to be honest.

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