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* muslims are screwed - only if they could looke within - 4 messages, 2
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* mohamaidsm 101 for kafirs - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "AVATAR" may soon become the best known Sanskrit-Hindi word in the world ***
Jai Maharaj posts - 5 messages, 4 authors
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* 'AVATAR' IS HEAVEN FOR AMERICA HATERS *** Jai Maharaj posts - 2 messages, 2
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* Saudis protest against suppression of Muslim human rights in Europe - 1
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* Christians massacred millions of Hindus (Was: Re: Indian pogroms against
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* THE TALIBAN'S SECRET PHOTOS *** Jai Maharaj posts - 1 messages, 1 author
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* May Allah Punish USA for terrorising devout muslims - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Thank God we did not fall pray to Gandhigiri - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* SAY NO TO SACHAR AND RANGANATH. SAY YES TO HINDUSTHAN - 1 messages, 1 author
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* openness and honesty in arindam's bengal - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* 'CRIMES AGAINST INDIA' - A bold new book by Stephen Knapp *** Jai Maharaj
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* brown hindus attacked again in the oz - 1 messages, 1 author
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* NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY CHRISTIANS SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES *** Jai Maharaj
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TOPIC: muslims are screwed - only if they could looke within
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:11 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Usually they can only look up to the very experienced and used 72 "virgins".
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b61ed5b$0$12450$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> it may be against looking within in mohamadism, is it? if yes, muslims are
> screwed worse than i thought.
>
> http://faithfreedom.org/islam/islam-muslim-umma%E2%80%99s-worst-enemy
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 4:01 pm
From: "harmony"
beer belly hunter is now in depression. he would return to paganism if you
help him get accepted in a good caste.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100128Hg7gR1FMzspk256lZ5PduWH@LePCK...
> Usually they can only look up to the very experienced and used 72
> "virgins".
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b61ed5b$0$12450$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> it may be against looking within in mohamadism, is it? if yes, muslims
>> are
>> screwed worse than i thought.
>>
>> http://faithfreedom.org/islam/islam-muslim-umma%E2%80%99s-worst-enemy
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 4:19 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
His gotr, etc. can be determined using Jyotish but first he needs
to study the material here:
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/basics/
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b622554$0$12464$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> beer belly hunter is now in depression. he would return to paganism if you
> help him get accepted in a good caste.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Usually they can only look up to the very experienced and used 72
> > "virgins".
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b61ed5b$0$12450$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> it may be against looking within in mohamadism, is it? if yes, muslims
> >> are
> >> screwed worse than i thought.
> >>
> >> http://faithfreedom.org/islam/islam-muslim-umma%E2%80%99s-worst-enemy
>
>
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 5:07 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <93874f21-3f0c-4724-91e8-449ea746a45d@f12g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Jan 28, 3:02=A0pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > it may be against looking within in mohamadism, is it? if yes, muslims ar=
> e
> > screwed worse than i thought.
> >
> > http://faithfreedom.org/islam/islam-muslim-umma%E2%80%99s-worst-enemy
>
> Hindus (also Sikhs) pray by closing their eyes and hands together near
> the chest saluting the divine outside and inside. They focus on the
> unity of what is inside and outside and worship that to realize that.
> We look within and without.
>
> Muslims while praying look at the bum in front. They cannot look
> within
>
> Christians kneel and look up, they cannot see within.
So Muslims try to look from behind inside the guy in front of them,
and Christians look into the sky to see if their god is watching them
committing sins. That's about right.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: mohamaidsm 101 for kafirs
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:14 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
> all muslims are not bad
When they aren't bad they've ditched Islam.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b61cbb3$0$12425$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> if you are a kafir, here is a red color alert for your security:
>
> according to koran and prophet of mohamdism, whose authority are recognized
> as final in the legal constitution of mommedan countries:
>
> alla wants you killed.
> he wants your children recrutied into mohamdism after you are killed.
> if you are a female kafir, imagine the very worst.
>
> taquiya is a mommedan doctrine of fooling kafirs and keeping them off-guard.
> there have been many tauiyas but the one making the round today is:
>
> all muslims are not bad.
>
> now, i can give you all the links till the cows come home, but you don't
> need all that.
>
>
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TOPIC: "AVATAR" may soon become the best known Sanskrit-Hindi word in the
world *** Jai Maharaj posts
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:14 pm
From: "benlizro@ihug.co.nz"
On Jan 28, 5:09 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <48644b6f-62a8-4fc5-b608-2734a09e2...@a17g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> posted:
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> > > In article <97a388da-c6d7-4d04-a6fe-cce400ea6...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups=
> > > ..com>, =A0Yusuf B Gursey <y...@theworld.com> posted:
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > > >> "AVATAR" may soon become the best known Sanskrit-Hindi word in the world.
> > > >> Of course, westerners are pronouncing it incorrectly. - Jai Maharaj,
> > > >> Jyotishi
> > > > the word has already entered into the english language, and as such it
> > > > is pronounced "correctly".
> > > If you were/are a native speaker of English, and if certain English words
> > > have "entered" another language, and if you encounter English words being
> > > mispronounced then you would be okay with that usage?
> > Of course. Would you expect me to run around lecturing them on
> > "correct" pronunciation? How stupid would that be? . . .
>
> Are you a proxy for Yusuf B Gursey?
Since Yusuf has not seen fit to answer your "what if" question, I was
offering my views as an actual native speaker of English.
In any case, if you wanted
> to correct them, then you'd be free to do so.
One is "free" to engage in all kinds of stupid behaviour, as you
regularly demonstrate.
You haven't let
> looking stupid stop you from being stupid in the past, have you?
> > If they are
> > speaking Czech, or Bengali, or Samoan, they are free to do what they
> > like with words copied from English. Pronounce them as they see fit,
> > use them to mean whatever they like. This is just what languages do,
> > and fortunately there is no international authority to waste time and
> > money trying to stop it. Ross Clark
>
> This isn't about authority. This is about becoming target of
> ridicule because of the way one speaks in a language, or worse, being
> the victim of language- or pronunciation-based prejudice. Such
> prejudice is rampant in the world, especially in the West.
Your comment about the golfers indicates that you are confusing two
quite different situations:
(1) Japanese people speaking English with an accent and (2) Japanese
people speaking Japanese which includes words copied from English. In
case (1) I suppose one might feel some sympathy if stupid people
laughed at the Japanese, though offering impromptu language tutorials
on the golf course would probably not be very helpful. In case (2)
(which is what I was talking about above) most of the stupid people
would not even realize what was going on. One would have to be
exceptionally, agressively stupid to ridicule them in this situation.
Are you suggesting that millions of Japanese people should change
their pronunciation of thousands of words just to avoid being laughed
at by a few idiots?
Ross Clark
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 3:16 pm
From: hari.kumar@indero.com
Now why would jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. go offon a squealing and
kicking fit in a series of posts with his good old buddy in texas?
Because he has been exposed for the enlightened and much elevated person
he is. Read the post again that started this entire thread and judge
for yourself:
This is the reason for jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. to make this post.
The person in the subjectline came to jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc.
seeking help for some matter in india.
Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. almost wet his pants with joy for getting
some attention. Soon the real indian learned that jay stevens,aka dr.
jai etc. was only pretending to be indian and claims about a life in
india a complete fraud.
Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. turned on him like a mad dog for having
discovered this. The campaigne to attack continues even to this day and
this post. It even included an attack on the real indian's wife with
slander and libel.
What did the real indian discover?
Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. is not an indian. He is and has always
been an american and a lifelong resident and citizen of that country.
He speaks no language of india but english. He refuses a call from a
real indian least his false claims be known.
His "dr." and indian sounding name are self given to attract real
indians and gullible others to his astrology business.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 4:13 pm
From: "harmony"
i know how you feel.
we need a dharma sansad meeting between the uttare and dakshinee sankrit
scholars. as far as i know sri adi shakaracharya ji spoke closer to uttaree
istyle.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100128H3U7d0382GtAx52Cz5HQM27@XDKdy...
> harmony ji, our meeting was short but dhanyavaad for your kind words.
> Now, I used to teach Sanskrit and Hindi to westerners and I must
> admit that I was successful with only a handful when it came to
> correct pronunciation. By "correct" I mean the pronunciation I
> learned from my teachers at home and in school in Uttar Pradesh and
> Indraprasth (Dillee). Later, that system of pronunciation was
> authenticated by other pundits in uttaree Bharat. We all know that
> it is the dakshinee pronunciation that has mostly made it to the West
> Anyhow, these folks are uneducable, as you put it, only if their ego
> or financial grants get in their way.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b61c327$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> quite right jai maharaj ji.
>> you are a gyata of sankrit. i figured that out when we met. your hindi is
>> immaculate.
>>
>> however, you are trying to educate many uneducables.
>>
>> bungal mein bandarji nacha, kisine na dekha
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Westerners are pronouncing it as aavataar, but the correct
>> > pronunciation is uvutaar (u as the u in "but", aa as the a in "star").
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>> >
>> > I wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "AVATAR" may soon become the best known Sanskrit-Hindi word in the
>> >> world.
>> >> Of course, westerners are pronouncing it incorrectly.
>> >>
>> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> >> Om Shanti
>> >>
>> >> [Posted in:
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> rec.arts.movies.local.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,alt.language.hindi,sci.lang,
>> >> misc.writing.screenplays,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.movies.current-films
>> >> ]
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 4:33 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
That is an excellent suggestion, harmony ji. The sansad can be a
permanent one as an institution so that it can exists for the
generations to come. You know that I approach Sanskrit from the
sanskar-pooja perspective, Jyotish-Tantr inclusive, so the
pronunciations have to be consistent with the proper sound frequency
ranges. I am convinced that the north-south-east-west differences
fall well within these ranges, so there really isn't the major
problem that some in these newsgroups make it out to be.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b622846$0$12454$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> i know how you feel.
> we need a dharma sansad meeting between the uttare and dakshinee sankrit
> scholars. as far as i know sri adi shakaracharya ji spoke closer to uttaree
> istyle.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > harmony ji, our meeting was short but dhanyavaad for your kind words.
> > Now, I used to teach Sanskrit and Hindi to westerners and I must
> > admit that I was successful with only a handful when it came to
> > correct pronunciation. By "correct" I mean the pronunciation I
> > learned from my teachers at home and in school in Uttar Pradesh and
> > Indraprasth (Dillee). Later, that system of pronunciation was
> > authenticated by other pundits in uttaree Bharat. We all know that
> > it is the dakshinee pronunciation that has mostly made it to the West
> > Anyhow, these folks are uneducable, as you put it, only if their ego
> > or financial grants get in their way.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b61c327$0$12440$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> quite right jai maharaj ji.
> >> you are a gyata of sankrit. i figured that out when we met. your hindi is
> >> immaculate.
> >>
> >> however, you are trying to educate many uneducables.
> >>
> >> bungal mein bandarji nacha, kisine na dekha
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>
> >> > Westerners are pronouncing it as aavataar, but the correct
> >> > pronunciation is uvutaar (u as the u in "but", aa as the a in "star").
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >> >
> >> > I wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "AVATAR" may soon become the best known Sanskrit-Hindi word in the
> >> >> world.
> >> >> Of course, westerners are pronouncing it incorrectly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> >> Om Shanti
> >> >>
> >> >> [Posted in:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> rec.arts.movies.local.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,alt.language.hindi,sci.lang,
> >> >>
> misc.writing.screenplays,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.movies.current-films
> >> >> ]
>
>
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 5:13 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Arindam continues claim that Einstein was wrong, but can't prove it.
His claims are usually bogus. Just as Basu ran Bengal into the
ground, Arindam Bannerji has run his credibility into the ground.
This is why I did not send any money to his father when he begged me
to do so. If his father writes to me and convinces me that he runs
a Hindu charity, then I will reconsider.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b61d5b5$0$12465$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> arindam is to physics what basu, his hero, was for bengal's development: the
> more they "try" the worse it gets.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > [IIT-D had an attendance requirement when Arindam attended it.
> > Perhaps it still does. He has confessed to violating it. He
> > obtained his degree fraudulently. A disciplinary committee, headed
> > by the director, used to meet regularly -- I was on its panel and
> > would have recommended action against Arindam, but I was there before
> > his time. By his own admission even his wife was surprised by it.
> > - Jai Maharaj]
> >
> > Arindam Banerjee, a fraud and the Shame of IIT
> >
> > Forwarded message:
> > [
> > [ From: Richard Herring (junk@[127.0.0.1])
> > [ Subject: Re: Really Cold Fusion
> > [ Newsgroups: sci.physics
> > [ Date: 2005-05-13 02:02:37 PST
> > [
> > [
> > [ In message <1115941772.198114.64...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > [ Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> writes
> > [ >
> > [ > If the second law of thermodynamics is true,
> > [ > that is, things cooled with passing of time,
> > [
> > [ "That is" is not. You would need to find out what the second law really
> > [ says before you are in any position to disprove it.
> > [
> > [ --
> > [ Richard Herring
> > [
> > End of forwarded message
> >
> > Arindam Banerjee is a fraud, obviously.
> >
> >
> >> Arindam Banerjee "a blowhard fraud"
> >>
> >> -From: Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid>
> >> -Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
> >> -Subject: Re: The Widowmaker, Re: Grisly
> >> -Date: 9 Jan 2003 01:16:15 -0600
> >>
> >> In <890e65ea.0301082253.1adae...@posting.google.com>,
> >> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> >> |
> >> | Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >> | news:<o89p1vchi9u07t5ijv85oe288bd6476bv5@4ax.com>...
> >> |> In <890e65ea.0301081419.551c1...@posting.google.com>,
> >> |> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> >> |>| Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >> |>| news:<c27n1v0rq69brnjttt2b7550r9j9fshj5b@4ax.com>...
> >>
> >> |>|> Care to give a sample from these first 100 odd?
> >> |>|
> >> |>| As a general rule I do not care to repost my work on Internet.
> >>
> >> It's pretty clear that there is no such "work".
> >>
> >> |>| If you are really interested, [...]
> >>
> >> About the only thing interesting now is exactly how much
> >> of a blowhard fraud you are.
> >> [...]
> >> End of forwarded message
> >>
> >>
> >>> HOW ARINDAM BANERJEE DECEIVED THE IIT
> >>>
> >>> There's an attendance rule at the IITs, which
> >>> Arindam Banerjee obviously violated by his own
> >>> confession below. He likely also had his friends
> >>> act as a proxy for him during roll calls, sit for
> >>> him in exams and cheat the IIT in other ways:
> >>>
> >>> ". . . I tried to attend as few classes as I could;
> >>> mainly it was a matter of making friends with the really
> >>> great guys who let me photocopy their lecture notes, and
> >>> tell me which assessment was due when. Still, I had to
> >>> miss quite a few exams, when I had too much work
> >>> pressure, and that reflected upon my grades. Now I
> >>> wonder, how did I manage to do it all! My wife never
> >>> understood how I managed to pass and get my degree, for
> >>> she hardly ever saw me studying. But all's well that
> >>> ends well . . ."
> >>> - "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
> >>> on June 6, 2005 about his IIT degree.
> >>>
> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>> Om Shanti
> >>>
> >>>> Exposed - Arindam Banerjee's tactics of abuse
> >>>>
> >>>> Forwarded message
> >>>>
> >>>> [ Subject: Re: Fw: Astrology is a Science
> >>>> [ From: chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk)
> >>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.astrology . . .
> >>>> [ Message-ID: <c743abb.0308251714.3afca...@posting.google.com>
> >>>> [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.99.13.253
> >>>> [ Date: 25 Aug 2003 18:14:14 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee)
> >>>> wrote in message
> >> <news:890e65ea.0308251356.359a21e9@posting.google.com>...
> >>>>> chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk) wrote in
> >>>>> message <news:c743abb.0308250629.4a293d89@posting.google.com>...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my point, you worthless lot's capable only of giving abuse (and
> >>>>> that too, of a remarkably unoriginal quality) not reasoned argument.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, please. Pot, Kettle, Black. As in:
> >>>>
> >>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311313.71a6cc2b@posting.google.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>True. Use your head, read my book, and then try to sort it out. I
> >> believe
> >>>
> >>>>>that my main problem is that I am a brown Hindu, and that the modern
> >>>>>scientific establishment is composed of Eurocentric racists. Which is
> >> why,
> >>>
> >>>>>they are not even deigning to acknowledge the existence of my work.
> >>>>
> >>>> followed up by
> >>>>
> >>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311314.63a9c62@posting.google.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>My, what mumbo-jumbo! Makes less sense than any witch-doctor in
> >>>>>darkest Africa.
> >>>>
> >>>> or howzabout
> >>>>
> >>>> <890e65ea.0204112309.120ff...@posting.google.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Why should I not? A Jew almost made it to Vice President, and they
> >>>>>run all the key positions in govt., finance, academic, media,
> >>>>>entertainment, publishing, etc., or allow their wannabes to do so. If
> >>>>>you run foul of a Jew in USA, you are labelled a Nazi, and you have no
> >>>>>chance at all for recognition or promotion, for then you become
> >>>>>morally responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews in WW2. This, by
> >>>>>the way, has just happened to me in an interchange in the newsgroup
> >>>>>rec.art.books. Some Jew named Zeleny called me a wog Nazi because he
> >>>>>did not appreciate some of my views relating to US foreign policies.
> >>>>>I was also described as a Nazi earlier when I said that Einstein could
> >>>>>be wrong so far as his theory of relativity was concerned.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nice change in tactics, Ari. First you accuse others of
> >>>> racism in a discussion in which you brought up the subject
> >>>> yourself. Then you post something quite racist yourself.
> >>>> Then, in an unrelated post, you post something incredibly
> >>>> antisemitic largely because you were feeling sorry for
> >>>> yourself and were honked off because they didn't like
> >>>> your "scientific theory" contradicting Einstein.
> >>>>
> >>>> And somehow you see fit to lecture others on
> >>>> "reasoned argument"? Don't make me laugh.
> >>>>
> >>>>> And as I said, you are a proven gutless scumbag,
> >>>>
> >>>> In your eyes, Ari. That's not much of a
> >>>> recommendation now, is it?
> >>>>
> >>>>> incapable of decency,
> >>>>
> >>>> "Decency"? Heh.
> >>>>
> >>>> -From <news:890e65ea.0204142212.57b736e9@posting.google.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks for your interest in me, and I appreciate being the object of
> >>>>>so much attention, though I wish a lot of money came from it. I am
> >>>>>most kindly disposed towards Jews - despite their negative attitude
> >>>>>towards me, but that is understandable, for if my theories are right,
> >>>>>their beloved Einstein will be shown wrong - and so I have suggested
> >>>>>that they all leave the Middle East and get for themselves a Zionist
> >>>>>state in Florida, where they should be much loved and respected by the
> >>>>>USAns who worship their one true god.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some "decency" there, huh?
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt Giwer would be proud.
> >>>>
> >>>>> content to make snide attacks from the safety of other newsgroups.
> >>>>
> >>>> Like you did to Michael Zeleny on soc.culture.india in the third
> >>>> post I referenced, eh?
> >>>>
> >>>> Physician, heal thyself.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Abuse is, thus, what you deserve.
> >>>>
> >>>> Self-abuse is, as proven, what you post.
> >>>>
> >>>> (Remainder of Ari's wankery deleted - why is it that kooks
> >>>> always gravitate to Einstein's dead ass like flies when
> >>>> everything else they rant about runs dry?)
> >>>>
> >>>> -Chris Krolczyk
> >>>>
> >>>> End of forwarded message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Forwarded message
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ Subject: What is this Junk?
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ Is this what they teach at IIT-Kharagpur? Not only is our
> >>>>> [ crazy scientist violating the First Law of Motion, he is
> >>>>> [ also casting doubt on the validity of the Law of
> >>>>> [ Conservation of Energy.
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ Perpetual Motion Machines? Our esteemed IIT guy has been
> >>>>> [ reading HG Wells and all kinds of science fiction books.
> >>>>> [ No friction? Has he never heard of the concept of matter?
> >>>>> [ That matter is composed of molecules.......
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ I bet that none of this is, or can be experimentally
> >>>>> [ proven!
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ It is certainly commendable to follow the far reaches of
> >>>>> [ one's imagination, but to confuse imagination with
> >>>>> [ reality? One can of course argue that reality is
> >>>>> [ imagination and imagination is reality. But I would
> >>>>> [ rather not get into a philosophical discussion.
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> [ Posted by Ramani on 04-JUN-03
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Forwarded message
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> [ Subject: Perpetuum mobile
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> [ Another attempt to foil Conservation-of-energy
> >>>>>> [ principle ... this time by a Indian [Arindam Banerjee]
> >>>>>> [ and that too somebody from IIT. We should better check
> >>>>>> [ whether this guy really hails from IIT, bringing a bad
> >>>>>> [ name for India and IIT both.
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> [ Rediff should also check authenticity of these pseudo
> >>>>>> [ scientific results before publishing .. this is playing
> >>>>>> [ into the hands of cheap publicity gimmickers. I would
> >>>>>> [ advise rediff to refrain from these things ...
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> [ BTW, I would advise the readers to read the book
> >>>>>> [ "Voodoo Science" by Robert Park. Plz check details on
> >>>>>> [ Amazon.
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> [ Posted by niraj on 04-JUN-03
> >>>>>> [
> >>>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How 'Shame of IIT' Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Newton's Second Law states that the change
> >>>>>>> in velocity (acceleration) with which an object
> >>>>>>> moves is directly proportional to the magnitude
> >>>>>>> of the force applied to the object and inversely
> >>>>>>> proportional to the mass of the object.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
> >>>>>>> others by posting the following:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Copy begins
> >>>>>>> [
> >>>>>>> [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>
> >>>>>>> [ Subject: Re: E=MCsquared is wrong
> >>>>>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.philosophy
> >>>>>>> [ Message-ID: <890e65ea.0301281239.5a872...@posting.google.com>
> >>>>>>> [ Date: 28 Jan 2003
> >>>>>>> [
> >>>>>>> [ . . . Newton's second law of motion says
> >>>>>>> [ that the rate of change of momentum of a body
> >>>>>>> [ is quantitatively equal to the external force
> >>>>>>> [ applied upon it.
> >>>>>>> [
> >>>>>>> Copy ends
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In other words, "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to
> >>>>>>> deceive others by stating that "quantitatively equal" is
> >>>>>>> the same as "inversely proportional".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But wait, there's another possibility, even the
> >>>>>>> likelihood, that Banerjee does not understand physics.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj. Jyotishi
> >>>>>>> Om Shanti
>
>
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TOPIC: 'AVATAR' IS HEAVEN FOR AMERICA HATERS *** Jai Maharaj posts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/2db19becd8689d89?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:38 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Avatar Is Heaven for America Haters
James Cameron's depiction of Americans as vile oppressors practically
invites terrorists to take up arms against the U.S.
By Carol Gould
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/author/carolgould/
pajamasmedia.com
Thursday, January 28, 2010
Much has been written about the movie Avatar [1], but I think I have
a unique perspective, inasmuch as I write from the region of the
world Bat Ye'or calls "Eurabia" [2] and the city Melanie Phillips has
dubbed "Londonistan [3]."
I have seen the film twice now and can categorically report that it
is a vicious polemic against the United States and a blatant hate-
fest against the brave men and women who serve in the United States
Marine Corps. It is also an invitation to worldwide terrorists -- not
just Muslim radicals but anyone and everyone who hates that "Great
Satan," the USA -- to take up arms and defeat America at all costs.
Am I overreacting? Well, here is why I have come to this conclusion:
Right from the start the figure of the commander is a stereotype of
the ruthless Marine who will eat his grandmother for breakfast. He
has no regard for the Na'vi people depicted in the movie and cares
not a jot if they are annihilated and their habitat is destroyed.
What I find objectionable about this scenario is that it generates an
atmosphere throughout the film of bias: that the graceful, simple
Na'vi are the victims of a brutal American assault and that they
ought to try to kill every last one of the Marines. You may say,
"Well, can you blame them if their habitat is being napalmed?" Many
will say they cannot be blamed. But what disturbs me about James
Cameron's scenario [4] is that his depictions of most Americans are
of a species of humanity so extreme and so vile that other nations
and peoples should take up arms against them.
Evidently Canadian Cameron is a liberal who does not wish to take
into account the good the United States does in the world. He wants
only to see the worst of the nation. He reminds me of the British
journalist Polly Toynbee [5], who on a recent BBC television
broadcast condemned the American Constitution as a "disaster." She
portrayed the current American Congress and Senate as a kind of mass
dictatorship, which was bizarre coming from her, as she is such a
left-winger. Getting back to Cameron: he sees the United States as an
agent of pure evil, and except for the characters of the scientist
(Sigourney Weaver) and the Marine (Sam Worthington) who falls in love
with a Na'vi lady, they are all despicable murderers.
Screen International [6] noted in its December 18 issue the banal
dialogue and storyline, reminding readers that the plot involves an
effort in the year 2154 by humans to mine a rare mineral on far-off
planet Pandora in order to save the world from death by global
warming. (Natch.) I am grateful to Screen International for this
explanation because, despite twice viewing the film in comfortable
and well-projected circumstances, I had no idea what the story was
about. That is the sign of a mediocre screenplay. I do know that I
watched lots of brave Marines being slaughtered in the stereotypical,
liberal cant that tells young audiences that America is the Great
Satan.
Some will feel my interpretation of this film borders on the
paranoid, but as I was committing these thoughts to paper I received
a telephone call from a neighbor who related a significant anecdote.
He told me that a couple of his acquaintance -- educated young
professionals -- had just returned from a visit to the cinema to see
Avatar and that the film had upset them so much that they had fallen
to the floor to pray. I asked him why and he said they felt they had
just seen the work of the Devil and that the message of hatred of
America is so sinister that they felt they had to say a prayer for
the health and long life of the United States. My neighbor also
reported that he had been following the demographics of Avatar and
that it is apparent that cinemagoers from emerging countries in the
remotest corners of the earth are flocking to this motion picture.
Is it possible that the spike in terror attacks and attempted ones --
the Danish cartoonist [7], the CIA assassinations in Afghanistan, the
Detroit bomber [8] -- is at least partially a result of a passion
inspired by the worldwide Avatar mania? I would venture to say that
the message of the film is so overwhelming -- that America can and
should be quashed for good -- that it cannot but powerfully influence
impressionable minds, most particularly in the Muslim and third
world. At the second screening I attended there was applause near the
end of the film and, from snippets of conversation I clocked on the
way out of the cinema, I heard comments about the way white Americans
treated the Native Americans, slaves, Vietnamese, and Iraqis. It is
rare to see observant followers of Islam at concerts, opera,
musicals, theater, or movies (I do not mean this in a disparaging way
-- it is not de rigeur, as my veiled Pakistani neighbor tells me, to
attend such events when I invited her to My Fair Lady), so I did
register that there were groups of young Muslims (I know because the
females wore head coverings) who seemed to be having an enormously
joyous time at Avatar.
This motion picture is a disturbing epic that in my view instills in
audiences a deep hatred of America. As I finish this piece the United
Kingdom has raised its terror alert level [9]. Is Jim Cameron the
reason? How long is a piece of string? My view? His childish polemic
against the U.S. is dangerous and I truly believe the rise in
worldwide incidents may be in direct correlation with the wide
proliferation of this film. It will be loved by many but I still
think it is pure evil.
- - -
Carol Gould is the Philadelphia-born author of Don't Tread on Me:
Anti-Americanism Abroad [10], Spitfire Girls [11], and A Room at Camp
Pickett, a play about her mother's experiences as a WAC in World War
II; she has just completed films about black GIs and GI babies. Carol
has been a panelist on BBC's Any Questions?, hosted by Jonathan
Dimbleby, and is a commentator on Sky News, Press TV, the BBC World
Service, and Five Live.
[1] http://www.screendaily.com/awards/avatar/5009278.article
[2] http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-Arab-Axis-Bat-YeOr/dp/083864077X
[3] http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/1594031444
[4] http://tomshone.blogspot.com/2010/01/james-cameron-and-politics-of.html
[5] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/dec/18/gutless-planet-future-copenhagen-leaders
[6] http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/avatar/5008859.article
[7] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/04/danish-cartoonist-axe-attack
[8] http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/disconnected-dots/
[9] http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/22/terror-threat-raised-uk-severe
[10] http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDont-Tread-Me-Anti-Americanism-Abroad%2Fdp%2F1594032394&tag=pajamasmedia-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325
[11] http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FSpitfire-Girls-Carol-Gould%2Fdp%2F0099534673&tag=pajamasmedia-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325
More at:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/avatar-is-heaven-for-america-haters/
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 9:32 pm
From: RichA
On Jan 28, 5:38 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Avatar Is Heaven for America Haters
>
> James Cameron's depiction of Americans as vile oppressors practically
> invites terrorists to take up arms against the U.S.
>
> By Carol Gouldhttp://pajamasmedia.com/blog/author/carolgould/
> pajamasmedia.com
> Thursday, January 28, 2010
>
> Much has been written about the movie Avatar [1], but I think I have
> a unique perspective, inasmuch as I write from the region of the
> world Bat Ye'or calls "Eurabia" [2] and the city Melanie Phillips has
> dubbed "Londonistan [3]."
>
> I have seen the film twice now and can categorically report that it
> is a vicious polemic against the United States and a blatant hate-
> fest against the brave men and women who serve in the United States
> Marine Corps. It is also an invitation to worldwide terrorists -- not
> just Muslim radicals but anyone and everyone who hates that "Great
> Satan," the USA -- to take up arms and defeat America at all costs.
Except that the peace-loving Na'vi who live in harmony with their
environment (I know, it's an old, pure B.S. way of looking at the
American Indian) are NOTHING like the radical Muslims or the weak-
minded teens to whom an anti-American film like this might appeal.
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TOPIC: Saudis protest against suppression of Muslim human rights in Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/dc2afe7e8ff2c68f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:42 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <22c1c5d4-7f1e-4a25-965b-82a96fae61ba@l24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Mirza Ghalib <mghalib01@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> http://dotsub.com/view/84f5c72d-b0ba-408c-ace3-8cc40995e011
>
> Of all people, the Saudi royal family has protested about lack
> of human rights for Muslims in Europe. This British commentator
> gives a witty reply.
>
> Of course, I am tempted to say, human rights are for humans only,
> not Muslims. But these are the days of political correctness. So
> pretend I did not write it.
When will Saudis protest against zero human rights for non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: Christians massacred millions of Hindus (Was: Re: Indian pogroms
against Christians)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3b2e45a7f7918960?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 2:46 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <4b621058$0$12419$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
>
> "netvegetable" <notrealemail@all.com> wrote in message
> news:rrm8n.801$4N4.62@newsfe24.iad...
> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:17:15 -0600, harmony wrote:
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>> In article
> >>> <8d6daaf6-4700-43b0-839f-c70c4c84e075@h12g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
> >>>>
> >>>> Christians killed and oppressed Hindus for 2000 years. Christianity is
> >>>> not a religion but is a cult based on the bastard son of Mary and Ben
> >>>> Panthera. Jeezuz also advocated killing those who did not follow him
> >>>> asking his followers to buy swords and slay them ( Luke 19-27, John
> >>>> 15-6). He also promised to kill them and roast them. His followers
> >>>> advised killing them- acts 3 -23. He was a crazy nut case. Churches
> >>>> are antinational places.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your time
> >>> Somewhere there are pretty good statistics about the millions of Hindus
> >>> massacred by Christians and Muslims. The number is a lot larger than
> >>> the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.
> >>>
> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>> Om Shanti
> >> millions of killed by the states, specially since that roman emperor's
> >> conversion to kirastanism.
> >> pope whips himself, naturally feels motivated to do worse on others if
> >> he can have his way, which his predecessors surely did.
> > And Indians accuse Australians of bigotry.
> you aren't trying to outcompete those crusaders, now are ya?
Isn't it true that Australia is soon to be renamed "Oustralia"?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: THE TALIBAN'S SECRET PHOTOS *** Jai Maharaj posts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/c36e07e3bbd4d090?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 3:20 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay "the jumpin' jackass jyotishit" Maharaj wrote:
> The Taliban's Secret Photos
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/taliban_secret_photos.html
What do you and your buddies do when the sun goes down, Jay?
http://www.indiadivine.org/content_images/1/1/nagas-0002.jpg
http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2008/m07/y175892232687591.jpg
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TOPIC: May Allah Punish USA for terrorising devout muslims
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/18818a676181db6c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 3:37 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <4b61d0cf$0$12421$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4b316786$0$5320$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> > In article <pbjki5hl9urdhoi3sgiblss746ejmbivje@4ax.com>,
> >> > "Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut" <rizvioct@optonline.net> posted:
> >
> >> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> >> >> >> >On Dec 12, 2:28?am, "Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut"
> >> >> >> >> ><rizvi...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:20:43 -0800 (PST),
> >> >> >> >> >> "naureen...@aol.com"
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> What have you done that any American would think was
> >> >> >> >> >> subversive?
> >> >> >> >> >> One more point, ?I have better claim to being here than the
> >> >> >> >> >> Baboon
> >> >> now
> >> >> >> >> >> living in the White House.- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> How USA is going to distinguish between patriot Americans like
> >> >> >> >>> myself
> >> >> >> >>> and the likes who were captured in Pakistan. USA have to get
> >> >> >> >>> rid
> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >>> everyone than. These muslim traitors are bringing a bad name
> >> >> >> >>> for
> >> >> >> >>> all
> >> >> >> >>> of us. I have not done anything that I feel ashamed of myself.
> >> >> >> >>> God
> >> >> >> >>> Knows how I fight with everyone and anyone who is living here
> >> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >> >>> exploiting resources but can't stop themselves thinking for
> >> >> >> >>> shit
> >> >> >> >>> holes
> >> >> >> >>> they left for this great country.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Then you need to do as I do,, distance yourself from everything
> >> >> >> >> Paki.
> >> >> >> >> Especially their religion and their way of looking at life.
> >> >> >> >> If you did everything opposite of what Pakis do, I can guarantee
> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> >> one here will think of you as a misfit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> So you've abandoned everything Paki, Islamic, Muslim, etc., but
> >> >> >>> what about your name? It gives you away. If you have truly
> >> >> >>> ditched Islam and Pakistan, how about legally changing your name?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> >> >>> Om Shanti
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> [Removed soc.culture.pakistan from distribution]
> >> >
> >> >> >> Come on Jyotishi Ji, we have known each others for over 15 years.
> >> >
> >> >> >Not really. We have read each other's posts during a period of time.
> >> >
> >> >> Is this not what I wrote above or do you just want to be belligerent.
> >> >
> >> > I maintain that we have not known each other for 15 years, as you claim
> >> > above.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Do you still think I am a faker who says one thing and espouses
> >> >> >> something
> >> >> >> else altogether?
> >> >
> >> >> >I don't know; if you say that you aren't and are concerned about
> >> >> >people believing that then perhaps some actions could demonstrate
> >> >> >that. The name change I suggested would be one such but not entirely
> >> >> >conclusive, of course.
> >> >
> >> >> Can you make your reply lucid, I have no idea what you are talking
> >> >> about.
> >> >
> >> > Demonstrate by your actions, not in mere words, what you are
> >> > claiming (that you have abandoned Islam and Pakistan). Is this
> >> > clearer to you?
> >> >
> >> >> >> Have you any idea the kind of hassle it is to change ones name, . .
> >> >> >> .
> >> >
> >> >> >All I know is that people do it all the time. You read and hear
> >> >> >about them. I would imagine that some paperwork is involved.
> >> >
> >> >> I am not going to go thru this hassle just to placate you.
> >> >
> >> > By asking me, "Do you still think I am a faker who says one thing
> >> > and espouses something else altogether?" you showed an interest in
> >> > convincing me of your claim that you have abandoned Islam and Pakistan.
> >> >
> >> >> >> and what about my kids and other family members. Imagine the kinds
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> questions you will have to answer if your name is different from
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> family members.
> >> >
> >> >> >If you recall, I made this suggestion many years ago -- perhaps
> >> >> >before
> >> >> >you
> >> >> >had kids. In any event, it is not people who already know you that
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >be in the area of concern but those who don't. Do you want their
> >> >> >first
> >> >> >impression to be, "Oh, here comes another Muslim. Be careful."? That
> >> >> >is
> >> >> >the prevailing general attitude in most of the world today. It could
> >> >> >work against you when you expect it the least.
> >> >
> >> >> My kids are all grown and gone, so that is not a big concern anymore.
> >> >
> >> > But you also wrote above, "...and what about my kids..."
> >> > Evidently they were a concern to you a day ago.
> >> >
> >> >> I have about 35 intimate American/European friends who know me well
> >> >> and accept me for what I am. Most do agree with my views on Islam
> >> >> even though some find my suggestion of nuking Mecca a bit
> >> >> deranged., as this may contaminate the worlds oil supply.
> >> >
> >> > I can agree with eradicating Islam, but do you really think
> >> > that nuking Mecca would do it?
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> i will tell you what i have seen in our own setting. the fact that mr.
> >> nusrat has travelled as far as he has is indeed commendable. there are
> >> several "muslim" gentlemen in houston who would make nusrat look like he
> >> still has ways to go. and yet, these muslims too have not changed their
> >> names!!!
> >> i too asked them about their names. the reply i got was that changing
> >> names
> >> would put their lives at great risk. and also they felt they would not be
> >> quite as effective in their campaign against mummudism if they were to
> >> change their names (i did not understand this last part). a lot of white
> >> people, however, are not fully convinced about them and remain on their
> >> guard which irks these "muslims" and those who understand their pain. it
> >> is
> >> amazing to me how comfortable and pally pally the whites are with hindus
> >> though after they can be certain they are dealing with the hindus. a lot
> >> of
> >> whites are still on the learning curve on this.
> > About the issue of ex-Muslims not changing their name after they
> > abandon Islam and campaigning against it, it is likely that they
> > feel that their anti-Islam stance appears more authentic to others.
> > - Jai Maharaj
> what you say is logical - from the perspective of the people on this side of
> the divide. but look at mr. ali sina. he hasn't changed his name either. or
> anwar sheikh or suleiman rushdie.
They are believed more thus, although in the case of Rushdie I
haven't read or heard much anti-Islam from him after his famous book.
I think that he is just a rebel, not exactly an ex-Muslim.
> i have one "muslim" guy here who has become a sorta darling of many white
> people. he once observed to the whites:
> a terrorist is one who will kill you, a moderate muslim is one who will hold
> your feet to ground for terrorist to do his bit. now, theis guy too has not
> changed his mommedan name and when i asked him, he gave me the above reply.
Heh, I know a couple similar to him too. One of them owns a
restaurant -- has given it a Hindi name to make it look authentic
Bharatiya -- and depends on a western clientele. The other is a
campus critter for life, considers himself an intellectual, and
agrees with anyone about anything for the sake of the social moment.
> changing the subject a little, and yet it is deeply connected, a lot of
> these "transitioning muslims", after they are done doing their bit against
> islam, also seem to have an unfriendly to don't-care attitude to hindusim as
> well - which makes them congressi, and readily become a part of 3mc*2. thus,
> they end up ultimately as a bigger liability than if they had stayed put
> into mohamadism.
>
> now, i am not suggesting that in case mr. nusrat but it is something he may
> want to guard himself against: alternative to mohamdism is not
> anti-hinduism. on this point habshi gets good marks.
Your caution to Nusrat is right on. But, habshi (formerly Mo, etc.)
has claimed to be a Jew and implied being a Hindu, and an ex pat Paki
Muslim, lives in London, has visited Bharat once only recently as a
tourist, has published the lie that I have died . . . the list goes
on. Habshi's credibility is less than zero.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 3:42 pm
From: "harmony"
kya kaha jaye jai maharaj ji. sharm ki baat hai ye arindam ke liye.
na to raag ka pata hai, na chhand ka.
lowg kaha kaha se tapak padte hai is pavitra sci pe.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100127Dlzjw9rXclNOadWm8hd0n3L@J64y9...
> is besharm arindam ko na aataa hai gaanaa, na bajaanaa |
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b60ad8e$0$12456$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> ye soor kidhar jee, besoor bandarjee?
>>
>>
>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:156c13b8-5496-46e3-babb-c2b8b978e7c4@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 26, 6:29 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:5a1ba2be-b258-430b-975f-9bf0b1c2930e@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jan 23, 3:41 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > >news:1da27dad-ba0c-4808-b76e-0042b73a730a@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Jan 21, 4:06 pm, TheKeral <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > On 1/20/2010 12:22 AM, Mirza Ghalib wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > All the above writing is fine, but what did he do to save
>> > > > > the Czechs from subjugation by Germany?
>> >
>> > > > That question is a bit unfair. Was Gandhi supposed to liberate all.
>> > > > His
>> > > > writings show a single purpose - to make Indians their own masters
>> > > > in
>> > > > India, nothing more, nothing less. Gandhi's "bizarre" [your word]
>> > > > idea
>> > > > was to achieve that aim through non-violent means. As with all
>> > > > people,
>> > > > he did get the news from around the world and did have definite
>> > > > opinions
>> > > > on the goings on. But, other than proffer a prescription or two, I
>> > > > don't
>> > > > believe he wanted to embark on "jihad" worldwide.
>> >
>> > > > > Also how many Chechs read this article in "The Harijan."
>> > > > > All I know there were underground operations by
>> > > > > these vanquished people throughout the war. In that
>> > > > > they did not use Ahinsak techniques as Gandhi wished.
>> >
>> > > > It does not matter whether or not the Czechs read the "Harijan,"
>> > > > and I
>> > > > don't think Gandhi went off the deep end to "convince" Czechs to
>> > > > follow
>> > > > his views/philosophy.
>> >
>> > > > The whole point of my posting the correspondence is to put paid on
>> > > > the
>> > > > falsehood that he was some sort of closet Hitler admirer, or some
>> > > > sort
>> > > > of coward to advocate that Britain capitulate to the Nazis. What is
>> > > > pretty clear is that he distrusted (not hated) Hitler, Mussolini,
>> > > > Stalin, Churchill, _and_ Roosevelt [the first three particularly
>> > > > so].
>> >
>> > > > > I have no animosity towards Gandhi. None. But I think
>> > > > > his thinking was bizarre. You seem to differ. That
>> > > > > is the beauty of free minds in a free society.
>> >
>> > > > It is not all that boolean (as in "you are with us, or you are
>> > > > against
>> > > > us" :-) ). There are some qualities of Gandhi that are truly
>> > > > admirable,
>> > > > and some just plain silly/childish. He lived his life openly and
>> > > > honestly, which no one can emulate these days, IMO.
>> >
>> > > The last bit is rubbish - there are very many people who live their
>> > > lives not only openly and honestly, but also decently, without
>> > > megalomania and hypocrisy.
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Arindam Banerjee
>> >
>> > > lol. jyoti basu comes to mind readily.
>> > > yes, of course he lived openly and honestly.
>> > > basu was openly and honestly a commie violent crook.
>> > > commies are violent by definition -as are the other two m.
>> > > ha hhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> > Stupid bundree, did I every praise Jyoti Basu? The only good thing I
>> > can thnk about him was that he graduated from Presidency College with
>> > English as his major subject.
>> >
>> > I was talking about my family, my friends and relatives, my bosses, my
>> > neighbours - each and every one of them is far more moral, decent and
>> > productive than your disastrous and most incredibly indecent great-
>> > unca gandi - traitor to Hindus.
>> >
>> > Cheers, bundree. Up your tail, swing in joy, go eat a banana.
>> >
>> > Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee
>> > ------------
>> >
>> > bengal mein bandarjee nacha, kisine na dekha.
>> > tum to keral ki peke nache, hai re kisne na dekha
>>
>> Bad effort, bundree. See below for something far better (though I am
>> hardly proud of it, needless to add)
>>
>> - Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Pesh hai:
>>
>> uchcchee bundree pyaree bundree rooTha-rooThee chhore day
>> jhat-pat chh-laang lugakar tu phat-a-phat foot lay
>> doom ooThkar kayla khakar tu jungle-o may jhoom
>> jhoom barabar jhoom ray bundurr yay raha humaara hukoom
>>
>>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 4:05 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
aapanay suchch kahaa, harmony ji |
yeh arindam kehataa hai ki naatak-vaatak jaanataa hai . . . kaisay
jaanataa hogaa jub sangeet kaa to usko koi pataa hee nahee(n)?
bungaal say baahar aakar sab kuchchh bhool gayaa bundaa, aur sci ko
bhee apavitr banaataa hai |
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b6220d1$0$12438$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> kya kaha jaye jai maharaj ji. sharm ki baat hai ye arindam ke liye.
> na to raag ka pata hai, na chhand ka.
> lowg kaha kaha se tapak padte hai is pavitra sci pe.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > is besharm arindam ko na aataa hai gaanaa, na bajaanaa |
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b60ad8e$0$12456$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> ye soor kidhar jee, besoor bandarjee?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> news:156c13b8-5496-46e3-babb-c2b8b978e7c4@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jan 26, 6:29 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > news:5a1ba2be-b258-430b-975f-9bf0b1c2930e@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Jan 23, 3:41 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> >
> >news:1da27dad-ba0c-4808-b76e-0042b73a730a@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> >> > > On Jan 21, 4:06 pm, TheKeral <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > On 1/20/2010 12:22 AM, Mirza Ghalib wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > > All the above writing is fine, but what did he do to save
> >> > > > > the Czechs from subjugation by Germany?
> >> >
> >> > > > That question is a bit unfair. Was Gandhi supposed to liberate all.
> >> > > > His
> >> > > > writings show a single purpose - to make Indians their own masters
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > India, nothing more, nothing less. Gandhi's "bizarre" [your word]
> >> > > > idea
> >> > > > was to achieve that aim through non-violent means. As with all
> >> > > > people,
> >> > > > he did get the news from around the world and did have definite
> >> > > > opinions
> >> > > > on the goings on. But, other than proffer a prescription or two, I
> >> > > > don't
> >> > > > believe he wanted to embark on "jihad" worldwide.
> >> >
> >> > > > > Also how many Chechs read this article in "The Harijan."
> >> > > > > All I know there were underground operations by
> >> > > > > these vanquished people throughout the war. In that
> >> > > > > they did not use Ahinsak techniques as Gandhi wished.
> >> >
> >> > > > It does not matter whether or not the Czechs read the "Harijan,"
> >> > > > and I
> >> > > > don't think Gandhi went off the deep end to "convince" Czechs to
> >> > > > follow
> >> > > > his views/philosophy.
> >> >
> >> > > > The whole point of my posting the correspondence is to put paid on
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > falsehood that he was some sort of closet Hitler admirer, or some
> >> > > > sort
> >> > > > of coward to advocate that Britain capitulate to the Nazis. What is
> >> > > > pretty clear is that he distrusted (not hated) Hitler, Mussolini,
> >> > > > Stalin, Churchill, _and_ Roosevelt [the first three particularly
> >> > > > so].
> >> >
> >> > > > > I have no animosity towards Gandhi. None. But I think
> >> > > > > his thinking was bizarre. You seem to differ. That
> >> > > > > is the beauty of free minds in a free society.
> >> >
> >> > > > It is not all that boolean (as in "you are with us, or you are
> >> > > > against
> >> > > > us" :-) ). There are some qualities of Gandhi that are truly
> >> > > > admirable,
> >> > > > and some just plain silly/childish. He lived his life openly and
> >> > > > honestly, which no one can emulate these days, IMO.
> >> >
> >> > > The last bit is rubbish - there are very many people who live their
> >> > > lives not only openly and honestly, but also decently, without
> >> > > megalomania and hypocrisy.
> >> >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Arindam Banerjee
> >> >
> >> > > lol. jyoti basu comes to mind readily.
> >> > > yes, of course he lived openly and honestly.
> >> > > basu was openly and honestly a commie violent crook.
> >> > > commies are violent by definition -as are the other two m.
> >> > > ha hhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > > - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > Stupid bundree, did I every praise Jyoti Basu? The only good thing I
> >> > can thnk about him was that he graduated from Presidency College with
> >> > English as his major subject.
> >> >
> >> > I was talking about my family, my friends and relatives, my bosses, my
> >> > neighbours - each and every one of them is far more moral, decent and
> >> > productive than your disastrous and most incredibly indecent great-
> >> > unca gandi - traitor to Hindus.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, bundree. Up your tail, swing in joy, go eat a banana.
> >> >
> >> > Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee
> >> > ------------
> >> >
> >> > bengal mein bandarjee nacha, kisine na dekha.
> >> > tum to keral ki peke nache, hai re kisne na dekha
> >>
> >> Bad effort, bundree. See below for something far better (though I am
> >> hardly proud of it, needless to add)
> >>
> >> - Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>
> >> Pesh hai:
> >>
> >> uchcchee bundree pyaree bundree rooTha-rooThee chhore day
> >> jhat-pat chh-laang lugakar tu phat-a-phat foot lay
> >> doom ooThkar kayla khakar tu jungle-o may jhoom
> >> jhoom barabar jhoom ray bundurr yay raha humaara hukoom
> >>
> >>
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TOPIC: SAY NO TO SACHAR AND RANGANATH. SAY YES TO HINDUSTHAN
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Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 5:54 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
Say NO to Sachar and Ranganath. Say yes to Hindusthan.
- Organiser, 2010 Republic Day Special
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Say NO to Sachar and Ranganath. Say yes to Hindusthan.
The Republic Day Special of Organiser is titled: Shrinking E3 Space
of the Hindu -- Sachar to Ranganath. The articles in this Republic Day
special should be read by every citizen. These constitute an
effective alternative to the Sachar and Ranganath Reports and should
be studied carefully by the Legislative and Executive branches of the
Govt. of Hindustan, for implementing the recommendations made
therein.
S. Kalyanaraman
January 31, 2010
Editorial
Hindus: Deprived, Discriminated and Robbed
By R Balashankar
The Panchatantr is replete with stories in the deception of
appearance. The tale of the cuckoo is particularly fascinating in
this context. In the season of love the male and female cuckoo locate
a crow's nest just after mating and they time it in such a way as to
coincide it with that of the crows. Once they find the crow's nest,
the female cuckoo hides behind the green bushes while the male cuckoo
creates a diversion causing the unsuspecting crow to leave its nest
chasing the trouble-maker. The wily female cuckoo then pushes the
crow's eggs out of the nest and lays as many eggs of its own in the
nest and leaves the scene. When the eggs are hatched by the
unsuspecting crow, it cannot distinguish between its own black
fledglings and the black cuckoo chicks. Once they grow the parasitic
cuckoos cheerfully sing, snooking at the crow and leave the nest to
the everlasting angst of the poor crow as it realises its folly. But
the helpless crow is ever condemned to suffer the slight.
There is a lesson in this for the patriotic people of this country as
we celebrate yet another Republic Day in the shadow of the
shenanigans of Sonia Gandhi and her lackeys to divide and destroy the
Indian nation.
Sachar and Ranganath Reports are just the tools. To keep the Muslims
alienated from the national mainstream, separatist Muslim fringe
groups in the late eighties used to raise these demands. All the
nationalist parties then had frowned at such fundamentalist
assertions. Even the Congress Party under the late Rajiv Gandhi had
criticised them. But Sonia Congress has now adopted that divisive
Muslim charter of demands wholesale. This is a carbon copy of the
demands of pre-Partition Muslim League of Mohammad Ali Jinnah.
Arif Mohammed Khan, who left the Congress after his memorable speech
in the Lok Sabha on the Shah Banu issue, where he eloquently defended
the right of a Muslim widow, much to the chagrin of the fanatic lot
before whom his leader Rajiv Gandhi kowtowed, has succinctly
summarised the tragedy confronting India in his article in this
Republic Day Special. Where he advocates the theory of "One nation,
One people" as he opposes the idea of religious reservation, even as
he questions our assertions on the shrinking E 3 space of the Hindus.
He is right. We are not happy with the title we have given. But truth
is stranger than fiction.
How the Hindus feel deprived, how they are becoming aliens in their
own land, how a bunch of minority politicians disguising both their
name and intent, how the Republic is being wreaked from within by the
usurper gang, which has no love for this land is laid bare in great
detail in the opening piece by OP Gupta. He says, he is worried about
the future of his grandchild. Most Hindu parents are. If the present
trend is not arrested in a few decades India will become unliveable
for those who believe in the one nation concept. Most Hindu
youngsters find it more sensible to migrate to the West in search of
opportunities for education and career. A catalogue of the actions of
the UPA in the last six years will show that all its schemes smack of
a pathological hatred for the Hindu. It seems its whole agenda is to
erase the Hindu character of this country. Special affirmative
actions in the name of religions have a justification if India is a
constitutional Hindu theocracy. In a secular state such selective,
segmented approach violates the Constitution. Here opportunities must
visit equally, and equitably.
Poverty has no religion. To see religion in poverty is a sin. A crime
that no recourse to political expediency can hide. We have no doubt
that the UPA is out to create a class war in the country. Like the
British, the UPA is smelling its chance in a divided, weakened and
shattered India. One should not think, the Ranganath Misra Report
presented in Parliament during the winter session is the last in a
series of duplicitous vote bank ploy. That of course is the theme of
this Special. The UPA, however, is not stopping there. Its Minority
Affairs Minister, last week disclosed that the Union Finance Ministry
will soon write to the Kerala High Court, supporting the proposal to
introduce Islamic Banking in India. The court recently responding to
a petition of Dr Subramanian Swamy stayed a Kerala Government
proposal to set up Islamic Banks.
Addressing the social Editors' Conference in Delhi on January 19 the
UPA Rural Development Minister announced that all Muslims in India
will be included in the Below Poverty Line (BPL) list. This will
accrue them extra benefits, he said. The Minister says, this is
necessary so that the automatic inclusion in the BPL list would
ensure all benefits of central and state-sponsored schemes like
Indira Awas Yojna, NREGS, old-age pension, special loans etc. These
are over and above Sachar and Ranganath. In the normal course one
would have thought the fellow had gone crazy. And that he was either
out of his senses or had gone mad. No, in the milieu in which we live
such are the kind of pronouncements we hear from ministers whose only
reason for their being there is that they enjoy Sonia Gandhi's
patronage. Have not we heard a few years ago India's selected Prime
Minister pompously bragging that Muslims have the first right on
India's resources? This is the man who lost his sleep thinking of the
agony of the mother of a terror plot accused in Australia. Sad, that
he is yet to come out with a decent reaction to hundreds of racial
attacks on Indian students and taxi drivers in Australia in recent
months in which about a score of Indians have lost their lives. This
is the kind of selective amnesia and charlatan hypocrisy guiding this
regime. They are not interested in the progress of India or the
welfare of minorities.
What they want to do for the Muslims, these days they cloak under the
subtitle 'minority', so as to camouflage and deceive the Hindus. The
Muslims should be protesting for characterising all of them as living
below poverty line. No self-respecting community would accept that
sobriquet.
The UPA appointed committees on poverty have estimated the number of
poor people in the country at 700 million. The Saxena Committee
Report submitted to the Rural Development Ministry has estimated that
37 per cent of Indians are living below poverty line. There is no
need here to elaborate the point we made at the beginning of this
piece that the UPA's priority is not welfare and development of this
country. If that was the case it would not have been looking at
poverty from a purely religious paradigm. If all its schemes are
channelised to uplift only the 15 per cent minority will it let the
rest 22 per cent below the poverty line rot in poverty and disgrace?
Does it want 22 per cent of the Indian Hindus to go begging? And if
we accept Sonia Gandhi's Rural Development Minister's logic of all
the 15 per cent minority being categorised as BPL, only the Hindus
pay tax and their contribution is being looted by the UPA to make 22
per cent of Hindu brethren beggars. This is the atrocity, deprivation
we are discussing in this Republic Day Special. Time to expose the
cuckoo perched in crow's nest.
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=329&page=2
January 31, 2010
An attempt to promote segmented loyalties
By Dr S Kalyanaraman
Sachar and Ranganath Misra have done a signal disservice to the
integrity and unity of the nation by promoting a sectarian view,
which will not achieve an integrally developed Bharat with equal
opportunities for everyone to realise his or her full potential.
If perverted reports like those of Justices like Sachar and Ranganath
Misra indulge in travesty of justice, who will save the law of the
motherland? Ours is a nation governed by the will of the people.
These justices may come and go, the nation is inexorably an essential
unity, adhering to only one global ethic- dharm. The people of
Hindusthan, Hindu and Muslims in particular, should reject both
Sachar and Ranganath Misra reports.
S GOLWALKAR was once asked: "Given the acute degree of social
disintegration present in today's India, how to promote unity and
integration?"
MHe replied: "Appeasing minorities by conferring upon them special
rights and privileges in order to promote social peace or harmony is
really paying the price for disintegration. Our politicians have
engaged in this unwelcome practice for long. The pashmina variety of
expensive shawl, for instance, is not produced by stitching fifty
different pieces together. It has to be carefully woven from one
fabric with much care. India's integration is only possible when it
has been attained organically and when Indians do not betray a
feeling of separate identity." (Golwalkar MS, 2005, Shri Guruji
Samagra Darshan, New Delhi, Suruchi Prakashan, Vol. 9: 173)
Sachar and Ranganath Misra have done a signal disservice to the
integrity and unity of the nation by promoting a sectarian view,
which will not achieve an integrally developed Bharat with equal
opportunities for everyone to realise his or her full potential.
While the Constitution of India enacted for Independent India was a
continuation of the 1935 Government of India Act, recognising
scheduled castes and tribes as sections of the samajam requiring
special attention for social advancement, the founding fathers were
clear that the nation should not be founded on religious lines. The
use of the term, 'minority' in Sachar and Ranganath Misra reports, is
thus an aberration and an attempt to divide the nation by religious
denominations.
Thus, the most dangerous foundations of the Sachar and Ranaganath
Misra reports are founded on treating the state as composed of
religious groupings.
Recommendations such as the ones to provide for 15 per cent
reservation in educational institutions and public/private sector
jobs to Muslims will cut into the quotas prescribed for SC's and ST's
and OBC's and will lead to unimaginable social upheaval, social
disintegration, pitting as they do, the Muslims against the SC's,
ST's and OBC's for the available educational and job opportunities.
This is hardly the way to provide for the nation's abhyudayam.
Economic criteria provide for an alternative, equitable basis for
making special provisions for the deprived sections of the samajam.
Muslims have to realise that they are citizens of the nation of
Hindusthan and should have absolute allegiance to the nation and get
involved in her abhyudayam. Shedding their have aloofness, they have
to join the mainstream of the samajam as equal partners in the
development enterprise. This calls for the spirit of camaraderie,
comradeship evidenced by Sitaram Sharma: "Sitaram Sharma, a primary
organiser of the local RSS, joins his family at the side of a (Sufi)
saint's tomb near Singhpur...There they place a garland or orange
flowers atop embroidered sheets draped on the concrete-surfaced
barrow of the tomb...One of the elder family members explains that
.. his family does this puja once a year in honour of this man who
once helped them." (Gottschalk, Peter, 2000, Beyond Hindu and Muslim,
London, Oxford University Press, p. 49)
Will the Muslim community reciprocate the spontaneous gesture of
citizens like Sitaram Sharma? This is the test for the Hindu Muslims
to reiterate their patriotism to the nation. Their religious beliefs
should not be a bar to this reiteration of patriotism in defence of
the motherland, this punyabhumi Bharatam.
Lessons of history are profound. The nation has to internalise the
lessons of history; in particular, the unique Islamic institution of
jihadi war, dhimmitude and destruction of Hindu temples, Buddhist
educational institutions as in Nalanda and Takshashila by some
barbaric rulers of the medieval times. The examples of Islamic states
in many parts of the world do not provide the confidence that non-
Muslims in such states are not treated as a depressed class, but are
given equal rights and treated humanely and with dignity. Hindu
Muslims have an extra burden to atone for these excesses of the
medieval barbarians. The acts of a Muslim majority state, Jammu &
Kashmir following the tenets of falsely interpreted Islamic doctrines
of governance do not give the confidence that Hindu Muslims whose
ancestors were Hindu have realised that their first allegiance should
be to the nation of Hindusthan and not allow religious fanatics to
dictate patterns of behaviour to the ordinary Hindu Muslims.
A nation has to be woven into a fabric woof by warp and everyone has
a role to play in this nation-building. It is a travesty of justice
that Justices Sachar and Ranganath Misra have failed to recognise the
fundamental requirement of adherence to the Constitution. Their
recommendations violate the basic features of the Constitution of
Hindusthan and should be rejected outrightly.
Sheikh al-Qaradawi, head of the European Fatwa Council, in an
inflammatory sermon on February 3, 2006 in the wake of Danish
cartoons said: "Allah has also made the prophet Muhammad into an
epitome for religious warriors (Mujahideen) since he ordered Muhammed
to fight for religion." Why should there be a fight for religion? In
the context of Hindusthan, if there is a justification for fight for
religion, it is for the Hindus to demand the restoration of every
temple destroyed by the Muslim invaders. Why should the Islamic ulema
indulge in such inflammatory rhetoric poisoning the minds of peace-
loving Muslims the world over? Hindu Muslims should introspect and
decide on the role to be played by the ulema in dictating political
behaviour of ordinary citizens. In his last sermon to his people at
Mount Arafat on 632CE (10 AH), Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) stated: "All
mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-
Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white
has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over
white except by piety and good action."
The terms such as 'minority', or 'religious minority' have no place
within the framework of the Constitution of Hindusthan founded on
dharm. Dharma is that which leads to abhyudayam (development) and
nihshreyas (self-liberation). This is beyond religion, the very
foundation for a just and equitable society in which people of all
faiths can live in harmony and participate in the yajna, the great
yajna for achieving developed Hindusthan.
Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, Chief Minister of West Bengal, observed that
the Sachar Committee report ignores the Muslim peasantry who
benefited from the state's land reforms programme. Both Sachar and
Ranganath Misra have ignored the basic fact of life in Hindusthan
that the artisan and merchant guilds represent the organised private
sector of the nation and there is no need to single out Hindu Muslims
as a particular guild deserving of special attention, be they the
zari workers of Varanasi, braziers of Moradabad, the leather-workers
of Vellore, the glass workers of Ferozabad, or the weavers of
Bhiwandi. Poverty is not religious-denomination specific. Poverty is
endemic result many factors not excluding the social devastation
caused by the colonial regime which excelled in implementing the
divide-and-rule policy. Anecdotes do not make a policy. Can it be
said that Hindu Muslims form an elite group citing Bollywood as the
home of many wealthy actors whose religious affiliation is Hindu
Muslim? This is an example of a misleading statistic. Hindu Muslims
occupy a pride of place in the nation and it is their responsibility,
their dharm to proclaim their allegiance to Hindusthan, first and
foremost and they are certainly entitled to equal treatment under the
law and equality of opportunity enshrined in the Constitution.
Sachar Committee's response to their first term of reference is
unconstitutional and is cited below:
Term of Reference No. 1 (original)
Criteria for identifying socially and economically backward classes
among the religious and linguistic minorities 16.15. We recommend
that in the matter criteria for identifying backward classes there
should be absolutely no discrimination whatsoever between the
majority community and the minorities; and, therefore, the criteria
now applied for this purpose to the majority community -- whatever
that criteria may be - must be unreservedly applied also to all the
minorities.
This in effect is a recommendation to create two sets of citizenships
in the nation and virtually declares Hindus Muslims to be scheduled
castes which violates the very framework of the Constitution which
has clear and unambiguous definitions of the terms: SC and ST.
If perverted reports like those of Justices like Sachar and Ranganath
Misra indulge in travesty of justice, who will save the law of the
motherland? Ours is a nation governed by the will of the people.
These justices may come and go, the nation is inexorably an essential
unity, adhering to only one global ethic-dharm. The people of
Hindusthan, Hindu Muslims in particular, should reject both Sachar
and Ranganath Misra reports.
It is the dharm of Hindu Muslims to preserve and foster the integrity
and unity of the nation of Hindusthan.
(The writer is director of Saraswati Shodh Sansthan.)
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=329&page=17
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 6:14 pm
From: "harmony"
commies are compared for their bull doggish rigidity to a string of jute.
it is said of the jute string that "you can burn it but it won't give up its
twirls".
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100122Kd71MWnM6U4B9C5aT4ODr4R@FH412...
> Well his myopic Marxist boss JB has attained room temperature;
> Australia must rejoice now that their commie poster boy has lost his
> roots.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b5a23ce$0$12460$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article104.html
>>
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 6:43 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
yeh to aapanay ttheek kaha, harmony ji:
rassi jal gayee per bal nahee(n) gaya |
All is lost for a commie but the vanity remains.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b6244a1$0$12450$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> commies are compared for their bull doggish rigidity to a string of jute.
> it is said of the jute string that "you can burn it but it won't give up its
> twirls".
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Well his myopic Marxist boss JB has attained room temperature;
> > Australia must rejoice now that their commie poster boy has lost his
> > roots.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b5a23ce$0$12460$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article104.html
> >>
> >
>
>
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TOPIC: 'CRIMES AGAINST INDIA' - A bold new book by Stephen Knapp *** Jai
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 7:57 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from Stephen Knapp
CRIMES AGAINST INDIA, a bold new book by Stephen Knapp
Crimes Against India
And The Need to Protect its Ancient Vedic Tradition
1000 Years of Attacks Against Hinduism And What to do About it
by Stephen Knapp (Sri Nandanandana dasa)
This is an extremely revealing and important book for
protecting, preserving, and promoting the profound and
ancient Vedic tradition of India. India is a most resilient
country, and is presently becoming a great economic power
in the world. It also has one of the oldest and dynamic
cultures the world has ever known, but few people seem to
understand the many trials and difficulties that the
country has faced, or the present problems India is still
forced to deal with in preserving the culture of the
majority Hindus who live in the country. This is described
in the real history of the country, which a decreasing
number of people seem to recall.
Therefore, this book is to honor the efforts that have been
shown by those in the past who fought and worked to protect
India and its culture, and to help preserve India as the
homeland of a living and dynamic Vedic tradition of
Sanatana-dharm (the eternal path of duty, wisdom, and
spiritual development).
There are also many people who do not know of the many
angles and ways in which this profound heritage is being
attacked and threatened today, and what we can do about it.
There is much to do to protect this culture, and until we
are aware of how it has been assaulted in the past, and how
it is threatened in the present, we will not have the
motivation to take a stand and defend it for its future.
Therefore, we should carefully understand:
o How there is presently a war against Hinduism and its
yoga culture.
o The weaknesses of India that allowed invaders to
conquer her.
o Lessons from India's real history that should not be
forgotten.
o The atrocities committed by the Muslim invaders, and
how they tried to destroy Vedic culture and its many
temples, and slaughtered thousands of Indian Hindus.
o How the British viciously exploited India and its
people for its resources.
o How the cruelest of all Christian Inquisitions in Goa
tortured and killed thousands of Hindus.
o Action plans for preserving and strengthening Vedic
India today.
o How all Hindus and concerned people must stand up and
be strong for protecting the universal spiritual traditions
of Vedic culture.
In the darkest of eras that this world has seen and will
see in the future, the Vedic tradition, the culture of
yoga, will remain India's gift to the people who inhabit
this planet. It is this spiritual culture of Sanatana-
dharm that remains the spiritual guide of humanity. This
is the reason why India is here, and for the contribution
that she makes, and the reason why we must work to protect
it.
Contents
PART ONE
THE WAR AGAINST INDIA'S ANCIENT TRADITIONS
Chapter One:
The Purpose of This Book and Defending Dharma
Chapter Two:
The War Against Hinduism
Chapter Three:
Vedic Culture: The Last Bastion of Deep Spiritual Truth
The Prison of Religion * The Freedom in Vedic Culture
PART TWO
INDIA'S HISTORY AND ITS BATTLES TO PROTECT ITS CULTURE
Chapter Four
Early Invasions and the Weaknesses of India
The First Attacks of Islam * The Main Failure
and Weakness of India * Do Not Miss the Message of the Past
Chapter Five
The Real Intentions of Islamic Invaders
Chapter Six
Historical Episodes in India's History that Should Not be
Forgotten
The Attacks of Mahmoud Ghazni * Mahmoud
Ghazni's Attack on Mathura * The Destruction of Somnath *
Muhammad Ghuri * The Slave (Mamluk) Sultans * The Khaljis *
Warning Signs of Tyranny * The Sacking of Chidambaram and
Sri Rangam * The Tughlaqs * The Plunder of Jagannatha Puri
* Invasion of Kathmandu * Muzaffar Shah's Attack on Somnath
* Amir Timur * The Sayyids * The Lodis * Sikandar Lodi's
Treatment of Mathura * Dwaraka Destroyed by Muhammad Begrha
* The Mughals * The Destruction of the Govindaji Temple in
Vrindavana * The Destruction of the Keshava Temple in
Mathura * The Muslims Burn Lord Jagannatha at Puri * The
Bahamanis * Shivaji and the Marathas * How to Win
Chapter Seven
The Portuguese and the Goan Inquisition
Chapter Eight
The Real Intention of the British in India
The Missionaries * Keeping Indians in Poverty *
Demeaning the Vedic literature * The Real Good that Came
From British India * Interest in Ancient Indian Traditions
in Europe * How European Interest in Hinduism Came Back to
India Through Gandhi * Historical Incidents of the British
in India * The Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 * The "Divide and Rule"
Policy of the British * On the Road to Independence * The
Plague * The Slaughter at Jallianwala Bagh * The Final
Struggles for a Free India -- in Summary * Jinnah and the
Muslim Attitude for Partition
Chapter Nine
The Salt Tax: The Cause of Much Suffering and Many Deaths
The Need for Salt * Death and Dying Under the
British
PART THREE
THE STRUGGLES THAT GO ON TODAY
Chapter Ten
Insidious Ideas
Belittling the Vedic Literature * The Aryan
Invasion Theory * Was There Ever an Aryan Invasion? *
TheTerms "Aryan" and "Dravidian" * The Proto-Indo-European
Language * The Caste System
Chapter Eleven
Casteism: Is It the Scourge of Hinduism, or the Perversion
of a Legitimate Vedic System?
What Casteism is Today * What is the Original
Vedic System Called Varnashrama * The Earliest Reference to
the Varnas * How the Present Casteism Developed * The
Dangers of Casteism as we Find it Today * What we can do to
Eliminate the Caste System
Chapter Twelve
Condescending Attitudes of India's Elite
Chapter Thirteen
Cultural Preservation in India's Northeast
Why Bother with the Northeast? * Traveling in
Arunachal Pradesh * The People of Arunachal * The Dangers
in the Northeast * Working to Restore Cultural Balance * My
Lectures * Preventing Loss of Culture in Nagaland *
Christian Conversion Tactics in Other Parts of India *
Denigration of the Vedic Tradition
Chapter Fourteen
The Threat Against Hindu Temples and Vedic Culture by
India's Government
Protecting Vedic Temples
Chapter Fifteen
Some of the Present Threats and Challenges
Hindus Need to Be and Do More * Lack of Unity * The Waning
of Vedic/Hindu Society * Unequal World Press * Terrorism
and the Loss of Hindus Around India * Ridiculous Foreign
Policy * India's Politicians * Bureaucratic Corruption *
The Legal System * The Threat of Pakistan * Kashmir *
Muslim Tactics in Other Areas * China in Tibet
Chapter Sixteen
Social Problems
Cleanliness of India * Saving the Girl Child *
Dowry * Child Labor * Bonded Labor * The Homeless *
Malnutrition * Literacy * Overpopulation
PART FOUR
WHAT WE CAN DO NOW
Chapter Seventeen
Hindus Must Stand Strong for Dharma
What is Vedic Culture
Chapter Eighteen
Sanatana-Dharma: Its Real Meaning
Chapter Nineteen
About the Name "Hindu"
Chapter Twenty
Save Your Culture
Solutions
Chapter Twenty-one
Vedic Culture: As Relevant Today as Ever
Chapter Twenty-two
Giving Vedic Culture to the Next Generation
Monitoring and Reviewing Children's School
Books
Chapter Twenty-three
Creating a Spiritual Revolution in India for Protecting the
Vedic Heritage
Focusing on the Villages * Ways of Reaching Out
to the Villages Doing Padayatras by Swamis and Acharyas *
Organizing and Teaching Villagers * Building Little Temples
in Each Village * Establishing an Open-Door Policy of
Sharing Culture and Traditions * Villages and Conversion *
Providing Spiritual Education and Practice * Book
Distribution * Retraining for Temple Priests in the
Villages * Providing Assistance for Medical Concerns *
Providing Free Food Distribution for Children * Rallies to
Protest Government's Biased Actions * Follow-Up Actions and
Organizing Villages
Chapter Twenty-four
Vedic Temples: Making Them More Effective
It's all in the Presentation * Using the
Universal Language * Temple Classes * Educating the Youth *
Mentoring Programs * Training Temple Members in Service *
Temple Ashramas * Temples Must be Well Kept * Festivals &
Programs for the Local Community * Welcoming Non-Hindus
into the Vedic Fold * Book Distribution * Cultural
Presentations * Outreach Programs * Temple Tours and
Cultural Exhibits for Local Students * Temple Exhibits *
Temple Gift Shops * Spiritual Libraries * Temple
Restaurants * Support Groups * Pilgrimages to the Holy
Places of India * Promotion * Temples Must Share Methods
that Work * Temple Must Help Unify People
Chapter Twenty-five
A Call to be Vedic Ambassadors
Being a Vedic Ambassador
Conclusion
Glossary / References / Index
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TOPIC: brown hindus attacked again in the oz
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 8:47 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
This is how Oustralia was colonized by Euro-terrorists:
Brits exterminated entire societies of people Excerpt
"Australia
"British settlement began in 1788, with the landing party of
transported convicts. Australia remained a penal colony. during the
first half of the 19th century,during which time the continent was
explored and separate colonies were established in the various
states. Aboriginal populations were displaced and decimated' in some
areas (e.g., Tasmania), they were totally exterminated...."
Source - The Universal Almanac; Andrews and McMeel; ISBN: 0-8362-7977-8.
End of excerpt
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b6261fe$0$12455$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> what's up with the oz? looks like they have more hoodlums than afghanistan
> has al quaida.
>
>
>
> In fresh incidents of violence against Indians in Australia [ Images ], four
> community youths, including three cabbies, were attacked in two separate
> incidents in Brisbane [ Images ], a media report said on Thursday.
>
> "Four more attacks on Indians in Brisbane, Queensland, took place," Sky News
> reported without giving out any more information about the victims.
>
> "Three of them have been directed at cab drivers, one who told how he was
> punched and dragged from his taxi," it said.
>
> Indian cabbies are believed to be accounting for over 70 per cent of the cab
> driving jobs thus are said to be more prone to such attacks. The latest
> attacks against Indians tenth such incident this month.
>
> In a separate incident, a 23-year-old pizza delivery youth was bashed up
> with a cricket bat and robbed while making a delivery in Brisbane.
>
> Meanwhile, Brisbane-based Indian consul S D Singh told PTI that police on
> Wednesday informed him about the attacks and also arrested one person
> involved in one of the incident. He said he had no further details of the
> incidents.
>
> "Indian High Commissioner Sujatha Singh will reach Brisbane today and will
> meet community leaders and members of the Queensland police to discuss the
> recent spate of attacks," Singh said. The meeting is expected to be held on
> Friday.
>
> Over 100 incidents of attacks on Indians, particularly students, were
> reported in 2009 and the attacks have continued this year unabated.
>
> The Australian government has given a dossier on these incidents to India
> [ Images ], which reveals that nearly half of the attackers have been
> juveniles.
>
> Under pressure from India, Australia has also set up a high-level
> ministerial working group to comprehensively study the spate of attacks on
> Indians in that country.
>
> The first meeting of the high-level group will take place by the end of this
> week.
>
>
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TOPIC: NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY CHRISTIANS SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES *** Jai
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Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 9:20 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
Forwarded message from "Vera Pai" <verap...@yahoo.com>
[ Subject: How many have died since biblical times?
[ From: "Vera Pai" <verap...@yahoo.com>
[ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004
How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church
Authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples
were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. Between 315
and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] Pagan services became punishable
by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all
Christian teachings..." In 6th century pagans were declared void of all
rights. In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.[DO19-25]
Mission
Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert
to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, wome and children slain 5/27/1234 near
Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived
without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods,
cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more
successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter
Raleigh, ordered that "the heads of all those (of whatsoever they were)
which were killed in the die, should be cut off from their bodies... and
should bee laid on the ground by each side of the waie", which effort to
civilize the Irish indeed caused "great terror to the people when they
saw the heads of their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolk, and
friends on the ground". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim
to the carnage. [SH99,
225] Crusades (1095-1291) First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban
II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23] .9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish),
thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(Number of slain unknown) [WW30] fter 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish)
conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl.
women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the
Enemy's] tents -- save that they ran their lance hrough their bellies,"
according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by
the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
men, women, and children). [WW3 0] In the words of one witness: "there
[in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were
wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily
and crying for joy our people
Marched to our Savior's tomb, to honor it and to pay off our debt of
gratitude"). e Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible
to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere
lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the
blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies
and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the
victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous
Sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that
within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished."
[TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following
summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
decomposition. One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]Battle of
Askalon, /12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our
Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably
20 million victims (in the Holy Land and Arab/Turkish areas alone).
[WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
Heretics
Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and
six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice
birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was
exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372
C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians.
[DO29]
The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely
sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman
Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single
pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including
Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends)
20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were
Exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search
and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake
1324. [WW183]. Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy
alone), [WW183] Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians,
Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe
some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of
persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the
Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220
burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned
at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]. University professor B.Hubmaier
burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for
seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori
(Rome) on 2/17/1600.
Witches
From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand. In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern
scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake
or Hanged. [WV]incomplete list of documented cases:The Burning of
Witches -- A Chronicle of the Burning Times
Religious Wars
15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into
action). [DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million
rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
[DO31]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader.
After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off
his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the
river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for
the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ...
to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and
Crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly
30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found
beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking
the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Jews
Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by
Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed
on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first
synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on
command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property
confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would
not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total.
Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons),
Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund,
Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany
except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51
towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200
years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were
slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy
by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age
of ten had been forced to wear.
1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way:
6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]
(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right
into the kilns of Auschwitz.
Native Peoples
Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy
Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means
to propagate Christianity.
Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered
in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who,
he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made
Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion."
[SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolaters" and "slaves, as
many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian
nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are
hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
declarations that are required" -- the equerimiento -- to claim the
ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If
the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding),
the requerimiento continued:
"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter
in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject
you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all
mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive
their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]
Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts
Bay Colony: "justifying the undertakers of the intended Plantation in
New England ... to carry the Gospel into those parts of the world, ...
and to raise a Bulwark against the kingdom of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
In average two thirds of the native population were killed by
colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the
marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course,
e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as
"for the natives, they are near all dead of
the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
possess." [SH109,238]
On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population
(Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant
natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000
Dead. [SH204]
The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and
Spanish raids.
As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not
be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The
stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and
burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged
him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven,
rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the
Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties
They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the
ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in
honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was
wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."
[SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and
from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and
mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain
like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn
to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half
before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were
exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other
Caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus
"the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively
liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than
the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of
millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been
exterminated." [SH75]
"And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico
and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city
of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors
likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida). ."When the 16th century ended, some
200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more
than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
America.
Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native
help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare
among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to
European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer
land. In the words of some of the Pilgrim Fathers:
"Their Wars are far less bloody..." so that there usually was "no great
slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven years and not
kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and
children. [SH111]
In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
(generally friendly and generous) natives ttractive enough to leave
Jamestown -- "being idle ... did run away unto the Indians," -- to live among
them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'some he
appointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheels,
others to be staked and some shot to death'." [SH105] Of course these
elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the
treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia"
methods were ifferent: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of
stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack
the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the
colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the
"Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees
from resection in their own home country England.
When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by
Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian
chief's pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after,
because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the
Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned
their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote:
"And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their
Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames,
where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies
and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ...
Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen,
filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and
to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111]. Because of his
readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to
quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
destroy them..." (Deut 20)
Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the
bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers
that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish
with their parents". [SH114]
Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The
colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour
children from their mother's breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood
Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was
inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was
near. [SH107-119]
The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in
servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a
share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girl and a boy if
you think good'." [SH115]
Other tribes were to follow the same path.
Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last
give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his
Beauty!" "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to
lick the
Dust!" [TA]
Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were
signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure
upon (sic) the treatise', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we
shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cut down their
Corn'." [SH106]
In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
men, women and children. [SH107]
In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Matter, revered pastor of
the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a
'barbecue'." [SH115]
To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki
people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a
century later about 250 remained alive -- a destruction rate of 98%. The
ocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they
were down to 920 -- 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had
numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 -- 95%
destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years
later barely 6000 were alive -- 81% destroyed.
[SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living
before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this
was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the
carnage was not over then.
All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it
was before the frontier age actually had begun. A total of maybe more
than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period
of 1500 to 900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other
epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad
treatment and slavery. In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this
continues even today.
More Glorious events in US history
Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to he Massachusetts Governor that
the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train
large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
former Methodist ministers and still elder in the church ("I long to be
wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and
children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag:
400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six
years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few
steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were
afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
More gory details.
By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the
carnage that by then had reduced those slands' native population by 90
percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total
die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary
said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased
members of the body'." [SH244]
20th Century Church Atrocities
Catholic extermination camps
Surpassingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II
were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years
1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by
Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing
Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration
camps exclusively for children!
In these camps -- the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a
Franciscan friar -- orthodox-Christian Serbian (and a substantial number of
Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their
victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims
gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or
shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and
600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan
friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the
Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to
Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]
Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters -- the Viet Minh -- had finally
defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had
been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion.
Although the coteries assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist
Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns
many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in
Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S.
politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of
Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which
could have brought the communist
Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo
Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance
was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were
ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for
free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman
Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and
monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of
Buddhist teachers -- male and female -- and monks poured gasoline over
themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in
comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison
camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even
Catholic rotesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is
estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000
were wounded -- mostly in street riots -- 80,000 people were executed,
275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to
concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of
American GI's lost their life.
Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she
had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two
Catholic priests -- with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of
Würzburg -- additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl
with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital --
her body was littered with wounds -- her parents, both of them fanatical
Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss
Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of
similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was
notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and
has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months
several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict
of the Hutu and Tootsie ethnic groups. For quite some time I heard only
rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda
massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic Church
journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany -- a station not
at all critical to Christianity -- the following was stated:
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital
Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and
allegedly murdered Tootsies in the most brutal manner. He is reported to
have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact
there has been a bloody laughter of Tootsies seeking shelter in his
parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set
foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation
of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established.
There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees -- women,
children, old -- being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tootsies and
turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia. In connection with
these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of
whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid
prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and
led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her
monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were
murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other
one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of
the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched
the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response.
She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to
set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never
come to an end.
References:
[DA] K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
[DO]K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
[EC] P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
[EJ]S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
[LI]H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
[MM M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
[MV] A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo
NY, 1992.
[NC] J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the
Catholic
Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
[S2] Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.
[SH]D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
[SP]German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
[TA]A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have
Hapned
in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England,
London 1676.
[TG] F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
[WW]H.Wollschläger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich
1973.
(This is in German and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is
The best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of
Original medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).
[WV]Estimates on the number of executed witches:
N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch
Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York
1959, 180.
J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 10:30 pm
From: kangarooistan
On Jan 29, 3:20 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
>
> Forwarded message from "Vera Pai" <verap...@yahoo.com>
>
> [ Subject: How many have died since biblical times?
> [ From: "Vera Pai" <verap...@yahoo.com>
> [ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004
>
> How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?
>
> VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
>
> "WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
>
> Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church
> Authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
>
> Ancient Pagans
>
> As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples
> were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. Between 315
> and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
>
> Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
> Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
>
> Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
> famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] Pagan services became punishable
> by death in 356. [DA468]
>
> Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
> because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
>
> According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all
> Christian teachings..." In 6th century pagans were declared void of all
> rights. In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
> demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
>
> The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
> pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
> Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.[DO19-25]
>
> Mission
>
> Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert
> to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
>
> Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
> taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, wome and children slain 5/27/1234 near
> Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
>
> Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
>
> 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
> Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
>
> 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
> Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived
> without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods,
> cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more
> successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter
> Raleigh, ordered that "the heads of all those (of whatsoever they were)
> which were killed in the die, should be cut off from their bodies... and
> should bee laid on the ground by each side of the waie", which effort to
> civilize the Irish indeed caused "great terror to the people when they
> saw the heads of their dead fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolk, and
> friends on the ground". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim
> to the carnage. [SH99,
>
> 225] Crusades (1095-1291) First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban
> II. [WW11-41]
>
> Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
> thousands. [WW23] .9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish),
> thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
>
> Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
> (Number of slain unknown) [WW30] fter 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish)
> conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl.
> women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
>
> Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the
> Enemy's] tents -- save that they ran their lance hrough their bellies,"
> according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
>
> Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
> subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by
> the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
>
> Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
> men, women, and children). [WW3 0] In the words of one witness: "there
> [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were
> wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily
> and crying for joy our people
>
> Marched to our Savior's tomb, to honor it and to pay off our debt of
> gratitude"). e Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible
> to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere
> lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the
> blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies
> and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
> all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the
> victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous
>
> Sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that
> within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished."
> [TG79]
>
> Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following
> summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
> decomposition. One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]Battle of
> Askalon, /12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our
> Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
>
> Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
> unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
>
> Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably
> 20 million victims (in the Holy Land and Arab/Turkish areas alone).
> [WW224]
>
> Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
>
> Heretics
>
> Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and
> six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
>
> Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice
> birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was
> exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372
> C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
>
> Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians.
>
> [DO29]
>
> The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely
> sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman
> Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
>
> Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single
> pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209
> destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including
>
> Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends)
> 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
>
> Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
> subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
> population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were
>
> Exterminated. [WW183]
>
> After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search
> and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake
> 1324. [WW183]. Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy
>
> alone), [WW183] Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians,
> Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe
> some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of
> persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the
> Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
>
> Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220
> burnings. [DO28]
>
> John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned
> at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]. University professor B.Hubmaier
> burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
>
> Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for
> seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori
> (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
>
> Witches
>
> From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
> thousand. In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern
> scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake
> or Hanged. [WV]incomplete list of documented cases:The Burning of
> Witches -- A Chronicle of the Burning Times
>
> Religious Wars
>
> 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
>
> 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
>
> English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into
> action). [DO31]
>
> 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million
> rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
> [DO31]
>
> 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope
> Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
>
> 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader.
>
> After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off
> his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the
> river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for
> the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ...
> to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and
>
> Crows'." [SH191]
>
> 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly
> 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found
> beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking
> the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
>
> 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
> population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
>
> Jews
>
> Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by
> Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
>
> In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed
> on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first
> synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on
> command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
>
> 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property
> confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
>
> The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would
> not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
>
> First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total.
> Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons),
>
> Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund,
> Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany
> except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
>
> Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
> Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
>
> Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
> Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
>
> 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
> Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
>
> 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
>
> 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51
> towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
>
> 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
> burned. [DO41]
>
> 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
> alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200
> years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
>
> 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
>
> 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were
> slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy
> by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age
> of ten had been forced to wear.
>
> 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
> 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way:
> 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
>
> 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
> [DO43]
>
> (I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right
> into the kilns of Auschwitz.
>
> Native Peoples
>
> Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy
> Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means
> to propagate Christianity.
>
> Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered
> in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who,
> he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made
> Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion."
> [SH200]
>
> While Columbus described the Indians as "idolaters" and "slaves, as
> many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian
> nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are
> hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
>
> On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
> declarations that are required" -- the equerimiento -- to claim the
> ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If
>
> the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding),
>
> the requerimiento continued:
>
> "I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter
> in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject
> you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all
> mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive
> their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]
>
> Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts
> Bay Colony: "justifying the undertakers of the intended Plantation in
> New England ... to carry the Gospel into those parts of the world, ...
> and to raise a Bulwark against the kingdom of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
>
> In average two thirds of the native population were killed by
> colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the
> marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course,
> e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as
> "for the natives, they are near all dead of
>
> the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we
> possess." [SH109,238]
>
> On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population
> (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant
> natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000
>
> Dead. [SH204]
>
> The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and
> Spanish raids.
>
> As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not
> be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The
> stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
>
> The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and
> burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged
> him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven,
> rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the
> Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
>
> What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
>
> "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties
> They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the
> ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in
> honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was
> wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."
>
> [SH72]
>
> Or, on another occasion:
>
> "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and
> from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and
> mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain
> like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn
> to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
>
> The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
> Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half
> before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were
> exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other
> Caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus
>
> "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively
> liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than
> the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of
> millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been
> exterminated." [SH75]
>
> "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico
> and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city
> of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
>
> Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors
> likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
> Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida). ."When the 16th century ended, some
> 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more
> than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]
>
> Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
> America.
>
> Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native
> help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare
> among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to
> European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer
> land. In the words of some of the Pilgrim Fathers:
>
> "Their Wars are far less bloody..." so that there usually was "no great
> slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven years and not
> kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and
> children. [SH111]
>
> In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
> (generally friendly and generous) natives ttractive enough to leave
> Jamestown -- "being idle ... did run away unto the Indians," -- to live among
> them (that probably solved a sex problem).
>
> "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'some he
> appointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheels,
> others to be staked and some shot to death'." [SH105] Of course these
> elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the
> treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no
> choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia"
> methods were ifferent: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of
> stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack
> the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
>
> On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the
> colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the
> "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees
> from resection in their own home country England.
>
> When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by
> Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian
> chief's pledge they attacked.
>
> Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after,
> because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the
> Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned
> their villages.
>
> The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote:
>
> "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their
> Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames,
> where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies
> and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ...
> Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen,
>
> filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
> So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and
> to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111]. Because of his
> readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to
> quote the words that immediately follow:
>
> "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
> destroy them..." (Deut 20)
>
> Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the
> bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers
> that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish
> with their parents". [SH114]
>
> Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The
> colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour
> children from their mother's breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood
> Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was
> inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
>
> In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was
> near. [SH107-119]
>
> The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in
> servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a
> share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girl and a boy if
> you think good'." [SH115]
>
> Other tribes were to follow the same path.
>
> Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last
> give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his
> Beauty!" "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to
> lick the
>
> Dust!" [TA]
>
> Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were
> signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure
> upon (sic) the treatise', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we
> shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cut down their
> Corn'." [SH106]
>
> In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
> men, women and children. [SH107]
>
> In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
> Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Matter, revered pastor of
> the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a
> 'barbecue'." [SH115]
>
> To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki
> people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a
> century later about 250 remained alive -- a destruction rate of 98%. The
> ocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they
> were down to 920 -- 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had
> numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 -- 95%
> destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years
> later barely 6000 were alive -- 81% destroyed.
>
> [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living
> before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this
> was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the
> carnage was not over then.
>
> All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it
> was before the frontier age actually had begun. A total of maybe more
> than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period
> of 1500 to 900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other
> epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad
> treatment and slavery. In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this
> continues even today.
>
> More Glorious events in US history
>
> Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
> leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to he Massachusetts Governor that
> the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train
> large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
>
> Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
> former Methodist ministers and still elder in the church ("I long to be
> wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and
> children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag:
> 400-500 killed.
>
> From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
> collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six
> years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few
> steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were
> afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
>
> More gory details.
>
> By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the
> carnage that by then had reduced those slands' native population by 90
> percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total
> die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary
> said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased
>
> members of the body'." [SH244]
>
> 20th Century Church Atrocities
>
> Catholic extermination camps
>
> Surpassingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II
> were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years
> 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by
>
> Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing
> Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration
> camps exclusively for children!
>
> In these camps -- the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a
> Franciscan friar -- orthodox-Christian Serbian (and a substantial number of
> Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their
> victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims
> gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or
> shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and
> 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan
> friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the
> Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to
> Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
> nothing to prevent them. [MV]
>
> Catholic terror in Vietnam
>
> In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters -- the Viet Minh -- had finally
> defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had
> been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion.
> Although the coteries assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist
> Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns
> many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in
> Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S.
> politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of
> Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which
> could have brought the communist
>
> Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo
> Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
>
> Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance
> was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were
> ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for
> free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman
> Catholicism.
>
> The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
> counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
>
> "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
> security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
>
> Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and
> monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of
> Buddhist teachers -- male and female -- and monks poured gasoline over
> themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in
> comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison
> camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even
> Catholic rotesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is
> estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000
> were wounded -- mostly in street riots -- 80,000 people were executed,
> 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to
> concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
>
> To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of
> American GI's lost their life.
>
> Christianity kills the cat
>
> On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
> college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she
> had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two
> Catholic priests -- with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of
> Würzburg -- additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl
>
> with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital --
> her body was littered with wounds -- her parents, both of them fanatical
> Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
> medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss
> Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of
> similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was
> notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
>
> This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and
> has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
>
> Rwanda Massacres
>
> In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months
> several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict
> of the Hutu and Tootsie ethnic groups. For quite some time I heard only
> rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda
> massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic Church
> journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
>
> Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany -- a station not
> at all critical to Christianity -- the following was stated:
>
> "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
> actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
> Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital
> Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and
> allegedly murdered Tootsies in the most brutal manner. He is reported to
> have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact
> there has been a bloody laughter of Tootsies seeking shelter in his
> parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set
> foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation
> of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established.
> There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees -- women,
> children, old -- being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
>
> According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tootsies and
> turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia. In connection with
> these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of
> whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid
> prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and
> led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her
> monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were
> murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other
> one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of
> the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched
> the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response.
> She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to
> set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
>
> As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never
> come to an end.
>
> References:
>
> [DA] K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
>
> [DO]K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
>
> [EC] P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
>
> [EJ]S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
>
> [LI]H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
>
> [MM M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
>
> [MV] A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
>
> See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo
>
> NY, 1992.
>
> [NC] J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the
> Catholic
>
> Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
>
> [S2] Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.
>
> [SH]D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
>
> [SP]German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
>
> [TA]A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have
> Hapned
>
> in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England,
>
> London 1676.
>
> [TG] F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
>
> [WW]H.Wollschläger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich
> 1973.
>
> (This is in German and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is
> The best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of
> Original medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).
>
> [WV]Estimates on the number of executed witches:
>
> N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch
>
> Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
>
> R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York
> 1959, 180.
>
> J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
>
> H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.
>
> End of forwarded message from "Vera Pai" <verap...@yahoo.com>
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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100 times MORE than all other religions COMBINED
We are white Christians and we want to HELP save you ,
were the last words most Tasmanian Aboriginals ever heard
will Afghans and Iraqis fall for the same TRAP ?
We all KNOW what happened when Palestinians accepted western HELP in
1915 same as Tasmania in 1815 , who will be their 2015 victims??
Having been unable to defeat the afghan and Iraqi resistance freedom
fighters , the western colonial occupiers have chosen to trick the
Afghans into a trap exactly like they did to the Tasmanian
Aboriginals , its the only option left as the western military have
been ground to a halt and thoroughly defeated humiliated and
demoralized
the Australians suggested the "TASMANIAN solution" is now the only
hope of defeating the Iraqi and afghan resistance , trick them into
surrendering then disarm and wipe them out with disease and poison
flour
Fortunatly some Tasmanian aboriginals descendants in south australia
married men from Afghanistan and Baluchistan and their children will
WARN the Afghans what to expect from the White christian colonial
promises
http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/A/Aborigines%20on%20Kangaroo%20Island.htm
Prior to British colonisation in 1803, there were an estimated up to
8,000 tasmanian Aboriginals A number of historians point to introduced
disease as the major cause of the destruction of the full-blooded
Aboriginal population.[1][2][3][4] Geoffrey Blainey wrote that by 1830
in Tasmania: "Disease had killed most of them but warfare and private
violence had also been devastating."[5]
Other historians regard the Black War, as one of the earliest recorded
modern genocides.[6]
Benjamin Madley wrote: "Despite over 170 years of debate over who or
what was responsible for this near-extinction, no consensus exists on
its origins, process, or whether or not it was genocide." [7]
In February 1830, the government offered a bounty of £5 per adult and
£2 per child, for Aborigines captured alive.[11] On 20 August 1830,
Governor Arthur's office issued a clarification that rewards were only
for Aborigines caught whilst engaged in aggression in the settled
districts, and that settlers or convicts who went out and captured
"inoffensive Natives in the remote of the remote and unsettled parts
of the territory" would not receive a reward.
During the same year, Governor Arthur called upon every able-bodied
male colonist, convict or free, to form a human chain, later known as
the Black Line, to perform a sweep of the area. As in game hunting,
the men swept across the settled districts, moving south and east for
several weeks, in an attempt to corral the Aborigines on the Tasman
Peninsula by closing off Eaglehawk Neck, the isthmus connecting the
Tasman peninsula to the rest of the island. Arthur intended to have
the Aborigines live together on the peninsula where they could
maintain their culture and language.
During the Beagle survey expedition, Charles Darwin visited Tasmania
in February 1836 and noted in his diary that "The Aboriginal blacks
are all removed & kept (in reality as prisoners) in a Promontory, the
neck of which is guarded. I believe it was not possible to avoid this
cruel step; although without doubt the misconduct of the Whites first
led to the Necessity."[13]
By 1833, George Augustus Robinson persuaded the approximately 200
Tasmanian Aborigines survivors to surrender themselves with assurances
that they would be protected and provided for.
They were moved to Wybalenna Aboriginal Establishment on Flinders
Island, where diseases continued to reduce their numbers even further.
In 1847, the last 47 living inhabitants of Wybalenna were transferred
to Oyster Cove, south of Hobart, on the main island of Tasmania.
There, the very last of the full blooded Tasmanian alive in Tasmania ,
a woman called Trugernanner (often rendered as Truganini), died in
1876.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trugernanner#Truganini.27s_life
Truganini sister out survived Truganini by hiding on kangaroo Island
and refuse HELP from Robinson many times
All of the Indigenous Tasmanian languages have been lost. Currently
there are some efforts to reconstruct a language from the available
wordlists. Today, some thousands of people living in Tasmania and
elsewhere can trace part of their ancestry to the Palawa, since a
number of Palawa women were abducted, most commonly by the sealers
living on smaller islands in Bass Strait; some women were traded or
bartered for; and a number voluntarily associated themselves with
European sealers and settlers and bore children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Island
According to a report in The Times Truganini later married a
Tasmanian known as "King Billy" who died in March 1871?/ 1869 ??.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lanne
By 1873, Trugernanner was the sole survivor of the Oyster Cove group,
and was again moved to Hobart.
She died three years later, having requested that her ashes be
scattered in the D'Entrecasteaux Channel; she was, however, buried at
Cascades, a suburb of Hobart.fora short time then put on public
display
But until the late 1870s, three Tasmanian Aboriginal women – Sal,
Sukey and Betty – remained on kangaroo island . They continued to live
traditionally, clearing the land with fire and hunting with dogs. All
three women outlived Trukanini.their children mostly moving to live on
nearby South australia to this day , even surviving 7 nuclear bomb
blasts at maralinga in the 1950s , to be able to WARN the world what
white christians are really like
http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/A/Aborigines%20on%20Kangaroo%20Island.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga
Truganinis skeleton was exhumed by the Royal Society of Tasmania and
later placed on display.in Tasmanian museum[8]
Only in April 1976, approaching the centenary of her death, were
Trugernanner's remains finally cremated and scattered according to her
wishes[9][10].
Trugernanner is considered to be the last speaker of the Tasmanian
language,[11] though others consider Fanny Cochrane Smith, a half-
white woman who lived into the twentieth century, to be the last
speaker of Tasmanian.[citation needed]
In 1997 the Royal Albert Memorial Museum, Exeter, returned
Trugernini's necklace and bracelet to Tasmania.
In 2002, some of her hair and skin were found in the collection of the
Royal College of Surgeons of England and returned to Tasmania for
burial.[12]
I wonder if the Afghan and Iraqi resistance will FALL into the SAME
colonial TRAP used to steal Tasmania , and most of the USA and
Australia from its owners by pretending to offer help and work and
housing and food , while their real plot was to slowly strangle the
life from their unsuspecting victims , one after another across the
globe,
accept white christians ' help " at your childrens peril , we all
know how it ALWAYS ends when christian western colonialists invade
then offer to HELP if the locals cooperate and obey orders from the
new masters , even then they
WILL NOT HONOR THEIR PROMISES EVER
http://www.dpac.tas.gov.au/divisions/cdd/women/leadership/significant_tasmanian_women/significant_tasmanian_women_-_research_listing/truganini
her skeleton was acquired by the Royal Society of Tasmania in 1878.
This acquisition of her bones was the antithesis of her expressed
wishes. After a lengthy legal battle with the trustees of the
Tasmanian Museum the Aboriginal community in Tasmania were able to
have her bones cremated on the 30th of April 1976
We are white Christians and we want to HELP save you ,
were the last words most Tasmanian Aboriginals ever heard
will Afghans and Iraqis fall for the same TRAP ?
We all KNOW what happened when Palestinians accepted western HELP in
1915 same as Tasmania in 1815 , who will be their 2015 victims??
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