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TOPIC: IRAN'S AL QAEDA CONNECTION IN YEMEN *** Jai Maharaj posts
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 3:38 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Iran's al Qaeda connection in Yemen
Pretending the problem doesn't exist won't make it go away
Editorial
The Washington Times
Tuesday, January 5, 2010
The attempted Christmas Day underwear bombing of Northwest Flight 253
may have Iranian fingerprints, but those are dots the Obama
administration doesn't want to connect.
Iran and al Qaeda have made mutual war on America in Yemen before. In
November 2008, Western security officials intercepted a letter signed
by bin Laden deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri thanking Iran for its "vision"
in helping al Qaeda establish a foothold in Yemen after being routed
from Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The terror leader praised Tehran for its
"monetary and infrastructure assistance" related to a September 2008
attack on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana'a. Sixteen people
were killed in the attack, which featured machine gun and rocket fire
supporting a double suicide car bombing.
Last January, Saudi Guantanamo alumnus Mohammed Atiq Awayd al-Harbi
(a.k.a. al-Awfi, or detainee No. 333) turned up in a videotape as a
leader of the newly formed al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the
organization that recruited Flight 253 bomber Umar Farouk
Abdulmutallab. Al-Awfi had been released to Saudi custody in 2007 and
went through Saudi jihadist deprogramming before being set free. He
turned himself back in to Saudi authorities in February 2009 and
testified that Iran was involved in supporting Shi'ite rebels in
Yemen, and was also making cash available to al Qaeda.
Some intelligence analysts downplay the idea of cooperation between
al Qaeda and Iran because the two are ideological foes. But both
detest the United States and have mutual interest in collaborative
efforts that hurt U.S. interests. Iran has provided a safe haven -
Tehran calls it "house arrest" - to scores of al Qaeda operatives
since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. One of Osama bin
Laden's wives, six children and 11 grandchildren are reportedly
living in Iran. Former Guantanamo detainee No. 372, Said Ali al-
Shiri, who like al Awfi joined al Qaeda in Yemen after Saudi
deprogramming, had been in Iran shortly before being picked up by
Coalition forces in 2001. Al Shiri was reportedly killed in an air
strike in Yemen in December 2009 and may have been one of the
planners of the attempted Flight 253 underwear bombing.
Iran has durable ties to the Shi'ite Houthi rebels operating in North
Yemen, who are linked to al Qaeda according to Ali Mohamed al-Ansi,
director of the Yemeni National Security Bureau. Yemen has seized
vessels with Iranian crews smuggling arms to the country, and Yemeni
officers involved in weapons trafficking have confessed to Iran's
involvement. In November, Houthi rebel leaders met in Yemen with an
official from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and leaders of
Tehran-backed Hezbollah, which reportedly is active in Yemen.
On Dec. 23, Yemeni House Speaker Shaykh Yahya Ali al-Rai said in an
interview with the Saudi press that Iranian support for insurgents in
Yemen was "beyond any doubt" and that "Iranian interference aims
primarily at transforming Yemen into an arena for settling political
scores." Tehran most likely seeks to make Yemen an arena for the kind
of proxy wars already being waged in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq and
Afghanistan.
The Obama administration, eager to curry favor with the Islamic
regime in Tehran, has downplayed the Iranian connection to al Qaeda
in Yemen. In December, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern
Affairs Jeffrey Feltman noted "theories" of Iranian involvement in
Yemen, but said the United States does not have "independent
information" corroborating them. In any case, he said it was in the
"collective interest" of countries in the region to "narrow" the
conflict in Yemen, though this assertion seems more based on a
fervent wish for peace than a realistic assessment of Iranian
interests.
Al Qaeda's interests are obvious. At his confirmation hearing in May,
Mr. Feltman said that the United States is "deploying new approaches
to the threat posed by Iran with our eyes wide open and with no
illusions." The Obama team might want to open their eyes a little
wider.
More at:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/06/irans-al-qaeda-connection-in-yemen/
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: OVER 1700 RECONVERTED TO HINDUISM IN SURAT
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 9:07 am
From: "harmony"
this is an activity that should be used for interstate annual competetion.
the state with highest ghar vapasi back to hinduism should get $1billion in
grant from a pool of funds from the rest of the states. $1 mil per hundred
would be used for rehabing the newly fortunate ones' ghar vapasi. the rest
go for state development. wouldn't that be a win-win. gandhi's anti-hindu
nai dillie wouldn't be involved.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
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> Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
>
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 10:31 am
From: Panu
On Jan 7, 6:24 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
Over 1700 reconverted by pagan thugs at gunpoint, you mean. Vade
retro, Satanas.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 10:38 am
From: "benlizro@ihug.co.nz"
On Jan 8, 7:31 am, Panu <craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:24 am, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
>
> Over 1700 reconverted by pagan thugs at gunpoint, you mean. Vade
> retro, Satanas.
Get thee to a "reconversion camp", kirastani filth!
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 1:32 pm
From: "harmony"
<benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3657f488-d221-40d8-a2b6-5859457967e4@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 7:31 am, Panu <craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:24 am, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
>
> Over 1700 reconverted by pagan thugs at gunpoint, you mean. Vade
> retro, Satanas.
<<Get thee to a "reconversion camp", kirastani filth!>>
i see the word is catchin on. congratulations.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 4:59 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
The reward is an excellent idea. Let me add that the money needs to
be so creatively financed -- legally -- that the anti-Hindu forces
are not able to touch it.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b4614d6$0$5364$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> this is an activity that should be used for interstate annual competetion.
> the state with highest ghar vapasi back to hinduism should get $1billion in
> grant from a pool of funds from the rest of the states. $1 mil per hundred
> would be used for rehabing the newly fortunate ones' ghar vapasi. the rest
> go for state development. wouldn't that be a win-win. gandhi's anti-hindu
> nai dillie wouldn't be involved.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
> >
> > . . .
>
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 8:09 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
benlizro@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On Jan 8, 7:31 am, Panu <craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 6:24 am, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>> Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
>> Over 1700 reconverted by pagan thugs at gunpoint, you mean. Vade
>> retro, Satanas.
>
> Get thee to a "reconversion camp", kirastani filth!
Are you running "reconversion camps" for the "kirastani filth" in New
Zealand?
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 8:08 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jumpin' jackass jyotishithead wrote:
> The reward is an excellent idea. Let me add that the money needs to
> be so creatively financed -- legally -- that the anti-Hindu forces
> are not able to touch it.
Smelling another money racket for you to get into, Jay? How's that
astro-scam been going lately? As badly as it ever was?
> In article <4b4614d6$0$5364$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>> this is an activity that should be used for interstate annual competetion.
>> the state with highest ghar vapasi back to hinduism should get $1billion in
>> grant from a pool of funds from the rest of the states. $1 mil per hundred
>> would be used for rehabing the newly fortunate ones' ghar vapasi. the rest
>> go for state development. wouldn't that be a win-win. gandhi's anti-hindu
>> nai dillie wouldn't be involved.
>
>> Jay Stevens Maharaj posted:
>>
>>> Over 1700 reconverted to Hinduism in Surat
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TOPIC: INDUS WRITING ON METAL TOOLS AND UTENSILS, ENCODES SPEECH *** Jai
Maharaj posts
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 9:26 am
From: "harmony"
that rings true like a ved vakya.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100104TeWsbWWUJxtbhmG0zqW0hz3@P48t4...
> The survival of the civilized world depends on the eradication of
> 3m^c-ism.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b42830c$0$5319$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> it is amazing: as little as we know about the ancient hindus, it is still
>> overwhelming.
>> by contrast more we kow about 3m, sicker we get.
>>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>> >
>> > Indus writing on metal tools and utensils, encodes speech
>> >
>> > Saturday, December 5, 2009
>> >
>> > http://sites.google.com/site/induswriting/epigraphs
>> >
>> > Updated 6 Dec. 2009
>> >
>> > Indus writing on metal tools and utensils, encodes speech
>> >
>> >
>>
>> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18615254/Indus-writing-on-utensils-and-metal-tool
>> s
>> >
>> > A hypothesis is that the Indus writing is related to smithy-guild.
>> > The hypothesis is validated by reading rebus, the mleccha [milakkhu
>> > 'copper' (Pali), cognate meluhha] homonym glosses.
>> >
>> > The early smith not only invented alloying but also a writing system
>> > to create smithy-guild tokens to authenticate the trade transactions
>> > over an extensive area extending from Ropar in Sarasvati River basin,
>> > Punjab to Ur in Mesopotamia. The trade was the mother of invention;
>> > trade necessitated authentication of the smelting, forging, casting,
>> > ingot, moulding metalwork using a range of mineral ores. This is the
>> > function performed by over 400 pictorial glyphs (so-called signs))
>> > and over 100 pictorial motifs (so-called field symbols) of the Indus
>> > writing system which encoded mleccha speech (referred to as
>> > mlecchitavikalpa by Vatsyayana included in the list of 64 arts in
>> > vidyaasamuddesha, objective of vidyaa, education).
>> >
>> > 1. There are inscriptions on metal tools, evidencing the
>> > competence of the smith as a scribe (karNaka, the most-frequently
>> > used glyph, which means: rim of jar).
>> >
>> > 2. There are over 230 copper tablets inscribed with Indus writing
>> > (see appended epigraphs), again evidencing the competence of the
>> > smith as a scribe.
>> >
>> > 3. Over 10 metal tools and metal weapons of Kalibangan, Chanhu-
>> > daro, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro are inscribed.
>> >
>> > 4. Mesopotamian texts evidence trade with Meluhha (Sarasvati
>> > civilization area) in metals such as gold, silver, copper, tin and
>> > alloys such as bronze which are high-value products of the times.
>> >
>> > 5. The legacy of the Indus mint continues into the historical
>> > periods with the vivid use of Indus glyphs on early punch-marked
>> > coins (cf. Theobald sign-list of punch-mark signs), Sohgaura copper-
>> > plate, Rampurva copper bolt between ca. 6th and 3rd cent. BCE.
>> >
>> > 6. An average of 5 glyphs (both pictorial motifs and signs) are
>> > used on Indus epigraphs. An average of 5 glyphs (both pictorial
>> > motifs and signs) are used on punch-marked coins produced by metal-
>> > smith-guilds/mints of janapadas (peoples' republics), consistent with
>> > the repertoire of early smithy-guilds.
>> >
>> > 7. The tradition of use of copper tablets to record property/trade
>> > transactions and rajashasana continues in India during the historical
>> > periods.
>> >
>> > 8. The cultural continuum is also evidenced by the continued use
>> > of cire perdue (lost wax) technique used for making bronze images (as
>> > in Mohenjodaro dancing girl) of utsavabera made even today in
>> > Swamimalai and other parts of India.
>> >
>> > 9. Bronze-age iron is evidenced in many archaeological sites and 3
>> > sites of Malhar, Lohardewa and Raja-nal-ki-tila on Ganga basin have
>> > shown evidence of iron smelters ca. 1800 BCE. The areas of austro-
>> > asiatic speakers is correlated with the areas where early mineral-
>> > smelting, iron-smelting have been located.
>> >
>> > 10. The standards of metrology (particulary weights) are used in
>> > the civilization contact area (e.g. Magan, Dilmun) as evidenced by
>> > the recent archaeological finds of weights and use of Indus writing
>> > system in Persian Gulf states. 11. Two pure tin ingots found in a
>> > shipwreck at Haifa contained inscriptions using Indus script glyphs.
>> > The glyphs have been decoded as tin mineral (ranku dhatu).
>> >
>> > Dholavira advertisement-board using many glyphs used on metal tool
>> > inscriptions, decoding the advertisement-board announcing a variety
>> > of metallurgical services. Mesopotamian texts also record trade in
>> > 'fish-eyes' [decoded as ka_n. 'iron' nodules; ayo 'fish'; rebus: ayas
>> > 'iron' (Skt.)].
>> >
>> > See: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18309089/engrave
>> >
>> > In the Indian tradition, a smithy is also a temple, as evidenced by
>> > the gloss: kole.l which means both a smithy and a temple in Kota
>> > language. The sanctity of metal work is paralleled by the sanctity of
>> > bronze utsava bera [bronze sculptures carried in sacred processions,
>> > and worshipped (puja) in homes]. Veneration of ancestors in
>> > dhatugarbha (dagoba) or stupas or megalithic circles of stones gains
>> > added significance in Indian tradition, by the semantics of the
>> > gloss: dhatu. Dhatu means 'mineral' and it also means 'relics'. Both
>> > are as sacred as the sacred-fire, the sacred witness-ordainer uniting
>> > aatman with the cosmos, aatman with the paramaatman: agnim i_l.e
>> > purohitam...
>> >
>> > On numeral strokes of the script
>> >
>> > Use of numeral strokes is a distinguishing structural feature of the
>> > writing system. See: Decoding of numeric stroke glyphs of Indus
>> > script
>> >
>> > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18484078/numerals
>> >
>> > Consistent with this decoding of numeric strokes in general,
>> > numerals on metal tools and utensils may be read rebus and may not
>> > relate to counting of objects or volumetric or weight measures.
>> >
>> > An outline is apposite, to start with, on the use and rebus semantics
>> > of numeral strokes on metal tools, by reviewing some samples of
>> > epigraphs on non-metal objects.
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/yf2a83r
>> >
>> > kalibangan 059a shows structural groups of numeral strokes, together
>> > with a 'bow' glyph.
>> >
>> > Mint, workshop (for) native metal, furnace, smithy.
>> >
>> > kama-t.hiyo = archer; ka-mat.hum = a bow; ka_mad.i_, ka_mad.um = a
>> > chip of bamboo (G.) ka_mat.hiyo a bowman; an archer (Skt.lex.) Rebus:
>> > kammat.a = portable furnace (Te.) kampat.t.am coiner, mint (Ta.)
>> >
>> > One short numeral stroke: sal stake, spike, splinter, thorn,
>> > difficulty (H.); rebus: sal 'workshop' (Santali)
>> >
>> > One long numeral stroke with superscripte of two short strokes: kod.a
>> > = in arithmetic, one (Santali) Together with pairing sign Sign 99:
>> > at.ar a splinter; at.aruka to burst, crack, slit off, fly open;
>> > at.arccasplitting, a crack; at.arttuka to split, tear off, open (an
>> > oyster)(Ma.); ad.aruni to crack (Tu.)(DEDR 66) Rebus: kod. 'workshop'
>> > (G.); aduru 'native metal' (Ka.)
>> >
>> > The numeral strokes should be read as: 3+2 (non-superscript). kolmo
>> > 'three'; rebus: kolimi 'forge' (Te.); dol 'pair'; rebus: dul 'cast'
>> > as in dul mer.ed 'cast iron' (Santali). Thus 3+2 are decoded as:
>> > forging, casting (smithy)] Vikalpa: pan~ca 'five' (Skt.) pasra
>> > 'smithy' (Santali).
>> >
>> > Read on...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18615254/Indus-writing-on-utensils-and-metal-tool
>> s
>> >
>> > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>> >
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 5:18 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Are there any leaders who can motivate folks to bring about the eradication?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b46194a$0$5329$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> that rings true like a ved vakya.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > The survival of the civilized world depends on the eradication of
> > 3m^c-ism.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <4b42830c$0$5319$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> it is amazing: as little as we know about the ancient hindus, it is still
> >> overwhelming.
> >> by contrast more we kow about 3m, sicker we get.
> >>
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>
> >> > Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >> >
> >> > Indus writing on metal tools and utensils, encodes speech
> >> >
> >> > Saturday, December 5, 2009
> >> >
> >> > http://sites.google.com/site/induswriting/epigraphs
> >> >
> >> > Updated 6 Dec. 2009
> >> >
> >> > Indus writing on metal tools and utensils, encodes speech
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18615254/Indus-writing-on-utensils-and-metal-tool
> >> s
> >> >
> >> > A hypothesis is that the Indus writing is related to smithy-guild.
> >> > The hypothesis is validated by reading rebus, the mleccha [milakkhu
> >> > 'copper' (Pali), cognate meluhha] homonym glosses.
> >> >
> >> > The early smith not only invented alloying but also a writing system
> >> > to create smithy-guild tokens to authenticate the trade transactions
> >> > over an extensive area extending from Ropar in Sarasvati River basin,
> >> > Punjab to Ur in Mesopotamia. The trade was the mother of invention;
> >> > trade necessitated authentication of the smelting, forging, casting,
> >> > ingot, moulding metalwork using a range of mineral ores. This is the
> >> > function performed by over 400 pictorial glyphs (so-called signs))
> >> > and over 100 pictorial motifs (so-called field symbols) of the Indus
> >> > writing system which encoded mleccha speech (referred to as
> >> > mlecchitavikalpa by Vatsyayana included in the list of 64 arts in
> >> > vidyaasamuddesha, objective of vidyaa, education).
> >> >
> >> > 1. There are inscriptions on metal tools, evidencing the
> >> > competence of the smith as a scribe (karNaka, the most-frequently
> >> > used glyph, which means: rim of jar).
> >> >
> >> > 2. There are over 230 copper tablets inscribed with Indus writing
> >> > (see appended epigraphs), again evidencing the competence of the
> >> > smith as a scribe.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Over 10 metal tools and metal weapons of Kalibangan, Chanhu-
> >> > daro, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro are inscribed.
> >> >
> >> > 4. Mesopotamian texts evidence trade with Meluhha (Sarasvati
> >> > civilization area) in metals such as gold, silver, copper, tin and
> >> > alloys such as bronze which are high-value products of the times.
> >> >
> >> > 5. The legacy of the Indus mint continues into the historical
> >> > periods with the vivid use of Indus glyphs on early punch-marked
> >> > coins (cf. Theobald sign-list of punch-mark signs), Sohgaura copper-
> >> > plate, Rampurva copper bolt between ca. 6th and 3rd cent. BCE.
> >> >
> >> > 6. An average of 5 glyphs (both pictorial motifs and signs) are
> >> > used on Indus epigraphs. An average of 5 glyphs (both pictorial
> >> > motifs and signs) are used on punch-marked coins produced by metal-
> >> > smith-guilds/mints of janapadas (peoples' republics), consistent with
> >> > the repertoire of early smithy-guilds.
> >> >
> >> > 7. The tradition of use of copper tablets to record property/trade
> >> > transactions and rajashasana continues in India during the historical
> >> > periods.
> >> >
> >> > 8. The cultural continuum is also evidenced by the continued use
> >> > of cire perdue (lost wax) technique used for making bronze images (as
> >> > in Mohenjodaro dancing girl) of utsavabera made even today in
> >> > Swamimalai and other parts of India.
> >> >
> >> > 9. Bronze-age iron is evidenced in many archaeological sites and 3
> >> > sites of Malhar, Lohardewa and Raja-nal-ki-tila on Ganga basin have
> >> > shown evidence of iron smelters ca. 1800 BCE. The areas of austro-
> >> > asiatic speakers is correlated with the areas where early mineral-
> >> > smelting, iron-smelting have been located.
> >> >
> >> > 10. The standards of metrology (particulary weights) are used in
> >> > the civilization contact area (e.g. Magan, Dilmun) as evidenced by
> >> > the recent archaeological finds of weights and use of Indus writing
> >> > system in Persian Gulf states. 11. Two pure tin ingots found in a
> >> > shipwreck at Haifa contained inscriptions using Indus script glyphs.
> >> > The glyphs have been decoded as tin mineral (ranku dhatu).
> >> >
> >> > Dholavira advertisement-board using many glyphs used on metal tool
> >> > inscriptions, decoding the advertisement-board announcing a variety
> >> > of metallurgical services. Mesopotamian texts also record trade in
> >> > 'fish-eyes' [decoded as ka_n. 'iron' nodules; ayo 'fish'; rebus: ayas
> >> > 'iron' (Skt.)].
> >> >
> >> > See: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18309089/engrave
> >> >
> >> > In the Indian tradition, a smithy is also a temple, as evidenced by
> >> > the gloss: kole.l which means both a smithy and a temple in Kota
> >> > language. The sanctity of metal work is paralleled by the sanctity of
> >> > bronze utsava bera [bronze sculptures carried in sacred processions,
> >> > and worshipped (puja) in homes]. Veneration of ancestors in
> >> > dhatugarbha (dagoba) or stupas or megalithic circles of stones gains
> >> > added significance in Indian tradition, by the semantics of the
> >> > gloss: dhatu. Dhatu means 'mineral' and it also means 'relics'. Both
> >> > are as sacred as the sacred-fire, the sacred witness-ordainer uniting
> >> > aatman with the cosmos, aatman with the paramaatman: agnim i_l.e
> >> > purohitam...
> >> >
> >> > On numeral strokes of the script
> >> >
> >> > Use of numeral strokes is a distinguishing structural feature of the
> >> > writing system. See: Decoding of numeric stroke glyphs of Indus
> >> > script
> >> >
> >> > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18484078/numerals
> >> >
> >> > Consistent with this decoding of numeric strokes in general,
> >> > numerals on metal tools and utensils may be read rebus and may not
> >> > relate to counting of objects or volumetric or weight measures.
> >> >
> >> > An outline is apposite, to start with, on the use and rebus semantics
> >> > of numeral strokes on metal tools, by reviewing some samples of
> >> > epigraphs on non-metal objects.
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/yf2a83r
> >> >
> >> > kalibangan 059a shows structural groups of numeral strokes, together
> >> > with a 'bow' glyph.
> >> >
> >> > Mint, workshop (for) native metal, furnace, smithy.
> >> >
> >> > kama-t.hiyo = archer; ka-mat.hum = a bow; ka_mad.i_, ka_mad.um = a
> >> > chip of bamboo (G.) ka_mat.hiyo a bowman; an archer (Skt.lex.) Rebus:
> >> > kammat.a = portable furnace (Te.) kampat.t.am coiner, mint (Ta.)
> >> >
> >> > One short numeral stroke: sal stake, spike, splinter, thorn,
> >> > difficulty (H.); rebus: sal 'workshop' (Santali)
> >> >
> >> > One long numeral stroke with superscripte of two short strokes: kod.a
> >> > = in arithmetic, one (Santali) Together with pairing sign Sign 99:
> >> > at.ar a splinter; at.aruka to burst, crack, slit off, fly open;
> >> > at.arccasplitting, a crack; at.arttuka to split, tear off, open (an
> >> > oyster)(Ma.); ad.aruni to crack (Tu.)(DEDR 66) Rebus: kod. 'workshop'
> >> > (G.); aduru 'native metal' (Ka.)
> >> >
> >> > The numeral strokes should be read as: 3+2 (non-superscript). kolmo
> >> > 'three'; rebus: kolimi 'forge' (Te.); dol 'pair'; rebus: dul 'cast'
> >> > as in dul mer.ed 'cast iron' (Santali). Thus 3+2 are decoded as:
> >> > forging, casting (smithy)] Vikalpa: pan~ca 'five' (Skt.) pasra
> >> > 'smithy' (Santali).
> >> >
> >> > Read on...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/18615254/Indus-writing-on-utensils-and-metal-tool
> >> s
> >> >
> >> > End of forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
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TOPIC: CHRISTIAN BISHOP PLEADS GUILTY TO DRUG AND STOLEN GUN CHARGES
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 9:41 am
From: "harmony"
is gun possession in church illegal? can state rules apply to church?
whatever happened to separation of state and church? church should be able
to do within the church confines whatever the bible says - it is a different
matter that most of what the bible says probably would be regarded illegal
outside the church.
but if the people are going to shut the church from the state business let
the state not interefere in church, ok? bible does not say to not bring the
sword to church. actually all xtians are supposed to be soldiers, no? in
modern day sword is replaced by the gun as the weapon of choice for xtian
soldiers.
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> Bishop pleads to drug charges
>
> The Press Enterprise
> Monday, January 4, 2010
>
> A church Bishop pleaded guilty this morning to five charges of drug
> and gun possession at his church.
>
> Anthony Garduno, a defrocked Roman Catholic priest, entered his plea
> this morning to four felonies and one misdemeanor. Garduno was
> charged with possession of methamphetamine, the sedative drug
> Lorazepam, the date-rape drug GHB and possession of a stolen semi-
> automatic pistol.
>
> Garduno was arrested last week after authorities served a search
> warrant at the Our Lady Of Tepeyac Church, an Old Catholic
> denomination. Police were investigating a report that a man said he
> was molested by Garduno when he was 17.
>
> No sexual assault charges have been filed and the case remains under
> investigation.
>
> Garduno was shot during an attempted robbery in September. Five men
> were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder in connection with the
> case. Police believe they attempted to rob the church leader and knew
> he had drugs and money.
>
> Garduno is scheduled to be sentenced March 1. He is incarcerated at
> the Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside.
>
> - John Asbury
>
> More at:
> http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webbishop.2387a7e.html
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 12:20 pm
From: Bruce Bartho
harmony wrote:
> is gun possession in church illegal?
Sober up, you drunken, horse piss drinkin' hindu.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 5:15 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
I suppose that the terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian
bible, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not
to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance
against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the
daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be
they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)
needs to be rewritten as:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a gun or a sword. For I am come to set a man at
variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and
the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall
be they of his own household."
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b461cd3$0$5334$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> is gun possession in church illegal? can state rules apply to church?
> whatever happened to separation of state and church? church should be able
> to do within the church confines whatever the bible says - it is a different
> matter that most of what the bible says probably would be regarded illegal
> outside the church.
> but if the people are going to shut the church from the state business let
> the state not interefere in church, ok? bible does not say to not bring the
> sword to church. actually all xtians are supposed to be soldiers, no? in
> modern day sword is replaced by the gun as the weapon of choice for xtian
> soldiers.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Bishop pleads to drug charges
> >
> > The Press Enterprise
> > Monday, January 4, 2010
> >
> > A church Bishop pleaded guilty this morning to five charges of drug
> > and gun possession at his church.
> >
> > Anthony Garduno, a defrocked Roman Catholic priest, entered his plea
> > this morning to four felonies and one misdemeanor. Garduno was
> > charged with possession of methamphetamine, the sedative drug
> > Lorazepam, the date-rape drug GHB and possession of a stolen semi-
> > automatic pistol.
> >
> > Garduno was arrested last week after authorities served a search
> > warrant at the Our Lady Of Tepeyac Church, an Old Catholic
> > denomination. Police were investigating a report that a man said he
> > was molested by Garduno when he was 17.
> >
> > No sexual assault charges have been filed and the case remains under
> > investigation.
> >
> > Garduno was shot during an attempted robbery in September. Five men
> > were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder in connection with the
> > case. Police believe they attempted to rob the church leader and knew
> > he had drugs and money.
> >
> > Garduno is scheduled to be sentenced March 1. He is incarcerated at
> > the Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside.
> >
> > - John Asbury
> >
> > More at:
> >
> http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webbishop.2387a7e.
> html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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TOPIC: NAME THE ENEMY
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 10:53 am
From: "harmony"
well, the jerusalem post did not do a good job of naming the enemy either -
the job it wants obama to do.
but i can name the enemy: it is islam.
to say the enemy is radical islam is a spin, invented by pundits, that is
going to cause more harm to the civilization than anything else. thankfully
there was no "radical nazism" spin in ww2 days.
radical islam is the islam known down thr' the centuries. the proof is in
pudding. if anything, it is the "moderate muslims" who will get in the way
of countries wanting to take on the "radical ones". what drives terrorism
is islam of koran as is. the main vehicle for recruiting terrorists is
islam. the main vehicle for training is islam of koran. no recruit is
deployed until he is well trained in islam. paki army has koranic war manual
for their training. it is same stuff in saudi, iran, afghanistan, yemen,
malysia on and on.
thus, the challenge for the west is to de-islamize the mommedan world. it is
same challenge that was successfully met by g.i. of america in
de-nazification of the germans following the v-e day.
gi's did not talk about rebuilding nations and yet marshal plan was made
available, but only after unconditional surrender by nazis and japanese
imperialists. the biggest mistake made by the west is to misunderstand islam
as religion worthy of special treatment. actually, muslims need to be
liberated from islam. no islam, no terror: i guarantee it.
does anybody doubt that terror that we witness will disappear if islam did?
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> Name the enemy
>
> Editorial
> The Jerusalem Post
> Sunday, January 3, 2010
>
> The clear, present and continuing danger posed to Western
> civilization by the worldwide Islamist terror network cannot be
> overcome while the American, European and other freedom-loving
> peoples are neither mobilized nor steeled for the sacrifices ahead.
> Islamic terrorists fly jet...
>
> Islamic terrorists fly jet airliner into one of the World Trade
> Center towers in New York on Sept. 11, 2001. Photo: AP
>
> No serious observer minimizes the perils. The attack carried out in
> November at Fort Hood by Nidal Malik Hasan, an American-born Muslim,
> showed the fatal consequences of not intercepting "ticking bombs."
> And the arrests of Najibullah Zazi, David Headley and five young
> Pakistani-Americans last year in separate plots against America
> irrefutably established that homegrown jihadists are a threat -- just
> as they are in the UK, Germany and Spain.
>
> While Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab failed to blow up Northwest Flight
> 253 over Detroit on Christmas Day, this attempted mass murder was
> only the latest proof that an Islamist terror network, with bases in
> Africa, Arabia and South Asia, cells just about everywhere else, and
> a noxious presence on the Internet, sees itself in a relentless state
> of war with the West.
>
> A RECENT New York Times editorial concluded: "Afghanistan, Pakistan,
> Yemen? Americans have a right to feel weary. But the [Abdulmutallab]
> plot is a warning of why it's so important to head off full chaos in
> Yemen. The last thing the world needs is another haven for al-Qaida."
>
> Indeed. But if Americans are "weary" at this stage of the conflict,
> it is partly because their leaders -- and media -- have not properly
> framed the nature of the threat.
>
> Neither former president George W. Bush, who spoke mostly of a "war
> on terror," nor President Barack Obama, who speaks in terms of
> "violent extremists" -- and no European leader -- has had the courage
> to say that the enemy is global jihad.
>
> The Islamist danger is not primarily rooted geographically -- in
> Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran or Arabia -- but
> theologically and politically within the larger Muslim civilization.
>
> The only way Westerners can connect the dots -- between, say, the
> devastating attack against Forward Operating Base Chapman near the
> Pakistani border in Afghanistan (which claimed the lives of seven
> seasoned CIA anti-terror operatives), and the attempted ax-murder of
> a cartoonist in the Danish city of Aarhus over the weekend -- is for
> their leaders to plainly say who the enemy is, what they want, and
> what is at stake if they succeed.
>
> That US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's first reaction
> to the attack aboard Northwest Flight 253 was to think that it was
> unconnected to a larger plot, testifies to how hard it will be to
> change mind-sets. Even Obama's first reaction was that Abdulmutallab
> appeared to be an "isolated extremist."
>
> Yet compared to most other world leaders, Obama is positively
> Churchillian. He has articulated the right goal: "To disrupt, to
> dismantle, and defeat the extremists who threaten us...anywhere where
> they are planning attacks..."
>
> He's got the metaphysics right: "Evil does exist in the world."
> Furthermore, he fully understands the amorphous nature of the enemy,
> declaring that the "war" is against "a far-reaching network."
>
> The missing link is naming the enemy. Only then will he be able to
> talk frankly about how hard -- and necessary -- it is to find
> trustworthy Muslim allies.
>
> The murdered CIA agents were likely betrayed by Afghans they trusted.
> Al-Qaida in Yemen was revived partly when terrorists were freed in a
> prison break, possibly orchestrated by renegade elements of the
> Yemeni secret police.
>
> EVEN IF Western leaders did mobilize their societies, the struggle
> against the Islamist menace would remain wearying. This is an enemy
> that is often embedded among civilians and enforces allegiance by
> beheading those it suspects of disloyalty. Citizens need to know
> this, to understand why innocent children are sometimes accidentally
> killed in military operations conducted by allied forces.
>
> Obama needs to tell Americans and Europeans willing to listen that,
> though the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists,
> pretty much all terrorists are Muslim, hence the need for profiling.
>
> An overstretched army, supported by a weary home front, against an
> ill-defined enemy, does not offer a viable strategy for success.
> Better to tell people that the enemy is radical Islam, which wants to
> spread its religion using the sword, and that defeat would mean an
> end to Western values of pluralism, minority rights and democracy.
>
> More at:
>
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339382352&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 12:51 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
harmony wrote:
> well, the jerusalem post did not do a good job of naming the enemy either -
> the job it wants obama to do.
>
> but i can name the enemy: it is islam.
It seems that the enemy is you, with your frequently expressed hatred of
Christians.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 5:02 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <d706d6bb-e1d4-4b6f-b247-f0aa22e87d12@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
uNmaiviLambi <tripurantaka@yahoo.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Name the enemy
> > . . .
> There is no doubt Islam and christianity unleashed a cult of violence
> through out history to this day
No doubt whatsoever. Dhanyavaad.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 5:08 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
I agree with harmony ji. To those who must use the phrase "radical
Islam" I suggest that they write instead "Islam, which a terrorist
religion, philosophy and way of life".
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b462db7$0$5316$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> well, the jerusalem post did not do a good job of naming the enemy either -
> the job it wants obama to do.
>
> but i can name the enemy: it is islam.
>
> to say the enemy is radical islam is a spin, invented by pundits, that is
> going to cause more harm to the civilization than anything else. thankfully
> there was no "radical nazism" spin in ww2 days.
> radical islam is the islam known down thr' the centuries. the proof is in
> pudding. if anything, it is the "moderate muslims" who will get in the way
> of countries wanting to take on the "radical ones". what drives terrorism
> is islam of koran as is. the main vehicle for recruiting terrorists is
> islam. the main vehicle for training is islam of koran. no recruit is
> deployed until he is well trained in islam. paki army has koranic war manual
> for their training. it is same stuff in saudi, iran, afghanistan, yemen,
> malysia on and on.
>
> thus, the challenge for the west is to de-islamize the mommedan world. it is
> same challenge that was successfully met by g.i. of america in
> de-nazification of the germans following the v-e day.
> gi's did not talk about rebuilding nations and yet marshal plan was made
> available, but only after unconditional surrender by nazis and japanese
> imperialists. the biggest mistake made by the west is to misunderstand islam
> as religion worthy of special treatment. actually, muslims need to be
> liberated from islam. no islam, no terror: i guarantee it.
> does anybody doubt that terror that we witness will disappear if islam did?
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Name the enemy
> >
> > Editorial
> > The Jerusalem Post
> > Sunday, January 3, 2010
> >
> > The clear, present and continuing danger posed to Western
> > civilization by the worldwide Islamist terror network cannot be
> > overcome while the American, European and other freedom-loving
> > peoples are neither mobilized nor steeled for the sacrifices ahead.
> > Islamic terrorists fly jet...
> >
> > Islamic terrorists fly jet airliner into one of the World Trade
> > Center towers in New York on Sept. 11, 2001. Photo: AP
> >
> > No serious observer minimizes the perils. The attack carried out in
> > November at Fort Hood by Nidal Malik Hasan, an American-born Muslim,
> > showed the fatal consequences of not intercepting "ticking bombs."
> > And the arrests of Najibullah Zazi, David Headley and five young
> > Pakistani-Americans last year in separate plots against America
> > irrefutably established that homegrown jihadists are a threat -- just
> > as they are in the UK, Germany and Spain.
> >
> > While Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab failed to blow up Northwest Flight
> > 253 over Detroit on Christmas Day, this attempted mass murder was
> > only the latest proof that an Islamist terror network, with bases in
> > Africa, Arabia and South Asia, cells just about everywhere else, and
> > a noxious presence on the Internet, sees itself in a relentless state
> > of war with the West.
> >
> > A RECENT New York Times editorial concluded: "Afghanistan, Pakistan,
> > Yemen? Americans have a right to feel weary. But the [Abdulmutallab]
> > plot is a warning of why it's so important to head off full chaos in
> > Yemen. The last thing the world needs is another haven for al-Qaida."
> >
> > Indeed. But if Americans are "weary" at this stage of the conflict,
> > it is partly because their leaders -- and media -- have not properly
> > framed the nature of the threat.
> >
> > Neither former president George W. Bush, who spoke mostly of a "war
> > on terror," nor President Barack Obama, who speaks in terms of
> > "violent extremists" -- and no European leader -- has had the courage
> > to say that the enemy is global jihad.
> >
> > The Islamist danger is not primarily rooted geographically -- in
> > Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran or Arabia -- but
> > theologically and politically within the larger Muslim civilization.
> >
> > The only way Westerners can connect the dots -- between, say, the
> > devastating attack against Forward Operating Base Chapman near the
> > Pakistani border in Afghanistan (which claimed the lives of seven
> > seasoned CIA anti-terror operatives), and the attempted ax-murder of
> > a cartoonist in the Danish city of Aarhus over the weekend -- is for
> > their leaders to plainly say who the enemy is, what they want, and
> > what is at stake if they succeed.
> >
> > That US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's first reaction
> > to the attack aboard Northwest Flight 253 was to think that it was
> > unconnected to a larger plot, testifies to how hard it will be to
> > change mind-sets. Even Obama's first reaction was that Abdulmutallab
> > appeared to be an "isolated extremist."
> >
> > Yet compared to most other world leaders, Obama is positively
> > Churchillian. He has articulated the right goal: "To disrupt, to
> > dismantle, and defeat the extremists who threaten us...anywhere where
> > they are planning attacks..."
> >
> > He's got the metaphysics right: "Evil does exist in the world."
> > Furthermore, he fully understands the amorphous nature of the enemy,
> > declaring that the "war" is against "a far-reaching network."
> >
> > The missing link is naming the enemy. Only then will he be able to
> > talk frankly about how hard -- and necessary -- it is to find
> > trustworthy Muslim allies.
> >
> > The murdered CIA agents were likely betrayed by Afghans they trusted.
> > Al-Qaida in Yemen was revived partly when terrorists were freed in a
> > prison break, possibly orchestrated by renegade elements of the
> > Yemeni secret police.
> >
> > EVEN IF Western leaders did mobilize their societies, the struggle
> > against the Islamist menace would remain wearying. This is an enemy
> > that is often embedded among civilians and enforces allegiance by
> > beheading those it suspects of disloyalty. Citizens need to know
> > this, to understand why innocent children are sometimes accidentally
> > killed in military operations conducted by allied forces.
> >
> > Obama needs to tell Americans and Europeans willing to listen that,
> > though the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists,
> > pretty much all terrorists are Muslim, hence the need for profiling.
> >
> > An overstretched army, supported by a weary home front, against an
> > ill-defined enemy, does not offer a viable strategy for success.
> > Better to tell people that the enemy is radical Islam, which wants to
> > spread its religion using the sword, and that defeat would mean an
> > end to Western values of pluralism, minority rights and democracy.
> >
> > More at:
> >
> >
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339382352&pagename=JPost%2FJPA
> rticle%2FShowFull
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 4:33 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
The Islamic Roots of Abdulmutallab's Suicidal Odyssey
And why liberals can't acknowledge what drove the Christmas Day terrorist.
By Jamie Glazov
Pajama's Media
Thursday, January 7, 2010
The liberal milieu and mainstream media are baffled: What could have
possibly led the 23-year-old Nigerian boy Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
[1] to attempt jihadi suicide on a passenger plane? How could such a
nice, educated Islamic boy, who grew up in a rich and prosperous
family, have come under the "radical" and "extreme" influences that
set him on his violent course? It's just all so mysterious.
It's so mysterious that the news anchors on CNN continue to
incredulously ask each other and their guests these questions -- back
and forth, over and over again, in a cyclical circus that has no end
and that never produces the most obvious answer staring any sensible
person right in the face. In the liberal imagination, there is just
this "extremist ideology" out there somewhere and somehow this
unfortunate Muslim boy fell under its spell, but no one can be
exactly sure how or why it happened. All one can be sure of is that
an adversarial culture or ideology must not be blamed and that
America, somewhere, somehow, must definitely be at fault.
And so, when it comes to the liberal left trying to digest
Abdulmutallab and his suicidal quest, perplexed dismay becomes a much
safer hiding place than honesty, because the basic truth threatens
the very survival of the liberal faith. For the liberal to accept the
evident reason why Abdulmutallab set off on his suicide odyssey would
necessitate him having to completely shed himself of his entire
worldview and personal identity. [2] The much easier route,
therefore, is to keep oneself confused and to stay focused on how
American capitalism and imperialism must have surely had something to
do with it -- even though, as is the case with the cause of Islamic
terror itself, [3] these factors are so obviously not involved in
Abdulmutallab's suicidal and murderous yearnings (i.e., Abdulmutallab
comes from a privileged, wealthy, and educated life, etc.).
What the lib-left milieu simply can't digest is what Islamic
terrorists like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab themselves insist motivated
them. And these are things like, you know, reading certain religious
texts and following a certain religion's teachings. They are things,
sort of like, well, following Islam and reading the Koran and stuff
like that.
When all is said and done, the true reasons why Abdulmutallab
embarked on his murderous mission of suicide are completely
understandable -- and only to be expected -- in the context of his
Islamic odyssey. And Abdulmutallab himself clearly points to the
influence of his religion in his own personal writings on the
internet.
In his 300 postings [4] under the name "farouk1986" in an online
forum, Abdulmutallab sheds light on how the Islamic theology that he
follows marginalized him from human life and led him on his hateful
and suicidal road. One of the main themes in his postings, for
instance, is a recurring complaint about his loneliness and how he
has "never found a true Muslim friend." While liberals will
expectedly blame capitalism for Abdulmutallab's estrangement, a
certain question has to be asked, a question that will never be
asked, or answered, on CNN or in the Nation magazine:
From where, oh where, did Abdulmutallab get the self-ostracizing and
hateful idea that only Muslims could be his friends?
Indeed, from where did this young man absorb an ideology that
eliminated billions of people on the planet from the pool in which he
could make friendships and nurture human connection? Hmmm, could it
possibly be that the self-marginalization he inflicted on himself had
something to do with his religion's instruction that he not only
never make friends with infidels (Koran 5:51), but also wage war on
them? (Koran 9:5, 9:29, etc.).
Abdulmutallab also agonizes about his behavior when he does manage,
on the rare occasion, to join the human race. He admits that when he
socializes he does "laugh and joke" but he stresses, in self-defense,
that he does not do this "excessively." Pray, do tell, from where the
need to make confessions and self-justifications about such beautiful
elements of life? What could this possibly be about? Could it be that
it has nothing to do with American capitalism and imperialism at all,
but maybe with the life-hating teaching of a religion that demonizes
earthly happiness, joy, and pleasure? [5] Could it be somehow
connected to a certain religion's hatred of music, [6] frivolity, [7]
and, above all, a woman's laughter? [8] Could this all have something
to do with why Ayatollah Khomeini insisted that "there is no fun in
Islam"? [9]
In his posting for December 2005, Abdulmutallab shares a monumental
crisis he is facing: While victims of poverty are starving throughout
the world, the young Muslim boy is faced with a doomsday scenario:
his wealthy family will be visiting him in London and he might have
to join them and eat meat. Abdulmutallab is full of panic, sharing
that "I am of the view meat not slaughtered by Muslims . . . is haram
[forbidden] for consumption unless necessary." He thus disagrees with
his parents' view that "as foreigners, we are allowed to . . . eat
any meat" and worries that if he doesn't eat it this "might cause
division and other complicated family problems."
Abdulmutallab reveals the crucial inspiration to his murderous and
suicidal yearnings when he agonizes about his inner struggle between
being a devout Muslim and a member of a society infected by Western
values. He writes of his "dilemma between liberalism and extremism"
and, as a Muslim, he strives to live his life "according to the Koran
and Sunnah to the best of my ability. I do almost everything, sports,
TV, books . . . (of course trying not to cross the limits in the
deen)." The deen is the dutiful way of life demanded by Islam.
In these circumstances, the most obvious torment that arises in the
life of a young devout Muslim like Abdulmutallab is what he himself
honestly describes: the tension between sexual desires and the
Islamic mandate of, as he writes, "lowering the gaze" in the presence
of women. "The Prophet (S) advised young men to fast if they can't
get married," he agonizes, "but it has not been helping me much and I
seriously don't want to wait for years before I get married."
It is precisely in this context that we see the origins of the Muslim
suicide bomber's journey into the heart of jihadi darkness.
For a pious Muslim who is attempting to obey the pleasure-denying
mandates of his religion, the totalitarian and often sole choice
available to him becomes purifying himself by extinguishing his own
earthly sinful existence.
Thus, despite liberal fantasies, it is not Muslims' lack of access to
Western prosperity that spawns their terror, but exactly the
opposite: it is Muslims' contact with and ability to reap the
benefits of Western values that end up serving as key inspirations
for jihad.
Indeed, there is a morbid dilemma for the devout Muslim who has
experienced and come into contact with the temptations of Western
freedom. These Muslims end up feeling infected and fault America and
the West for the excruciating guilt they feel over the desires that
freedom plants within their hearts. To disinfect themselves, they end
up lashing out violently at the tempter -- and then ultimately at
themselves for the impurity and desires that the tempter instilled.
In this light, Theodore Dalrymple brilliantly analyzes the impulses
and motivations of the young suicide bombers who struck in London in
July 2005. He demonstrates [10] how they saw no way out of their
confrontation with freedom and modernity except through death:
Muslims who reject the West are therefore engaged in a losing
and impossible inner jihad, or struggle, to expunge everything that
is not Muslim from their breasts. It can't be done: for their
technological and scientific dependence is necessarily also a
cultural one. You can't believe in a return to seventh-century Arabia
as being all-sufficient for human requirements, and at the same time
drive around in a brand-new red Mercedes, as one of the London
bombers did shortly before his murderous suicide. An awareness of the
contradiction must gnaw in even the dullest fundamentalist brain.
Furthermore, fundamentalists must be sufficiently self-aware to
know that they will never be willing to forgo the appurtenances of
Western life: the taste for them is too deeply implanted in their
souls, too deeply a part of what they are as human beings, ever to be
eradicated. It is possible to reject isolated aspects of modernity
but not modernity itself. Whether they like it or not, Muslim
fundamentalists are modern men -- modern men trying, impossibly, to
be something else. . . . How to persuade themselves and others that
their lack of faith, their vacillation, is really the strongest
possible faith? What more convincing evidence of faith could there be
than to die for its sake? How can a person be really attached or
attracted to rap music and cricket and Mercedes cars if he is
prepared to blow himself up as a means of destroying the society that
produces them? Death will be the end of the illicit attachment that
he cannot entirely eliminate from his heart. . . . By means of
suicide bombing, the bombers overcome moral impurities and religious
doubts within themselves and, supposedly, strike an external blow for
the propagation of the faith.
It is no coincidence, therefore, that in the Islamic paradigm, the
pleasures denied on earth are exactly the pleasures offered in
heaven. For a typical Muslim male like Abdulmutallab who desperately
yearns for sex but does not want to offend Allah, the only escape
route becomes to die -- and kill -- for Islam.
Pierre Rehov, the French filmmaker of the documentary Suicide
Killers, [11] spent hours speaking with would-be martyrs in Israeli
jails and with their families. He noted that they not only spoke
about the obvious Islamic instruction to kill Jews and Christians,
but also articulated a consistent theme of not being allowed to do
anything pleasurable on earth; and so they sought death in order to
do it in heaven. Rehov writes [12]:
Imagine a world where separation between men and women is
virtually absolute. Where not only sex is a taboo, but where a
woman's body is considered to be so impure that it must be hidden at
all times. . . . In this chauvinistic land, a 16-or 18-year-old boy
has a 99% chance of having never touched the hand of a girl or having
spoken to one, except for his sister. At this age where libido is at
its peak, a young male is in need of these beautiful and forbidden
sensations. He needs to prove to himself that he is a man, a future
man. But, in this arena, there is no hope -- only frustration. Dating
and flirting are forbidden. Marriage is the only tolerated path to
sex in the Muslim world. But without money there is no wife.
Ironically, while women are the object of the highest contempt, while
the temporal existence of flesh is considered despicable ("seek for
death, and eternal life will be given to you" -- Prophet Muhammad),
the promise of eternal life surrounded by 72 virgins is popularized
daily through every arm of the Muslim media. The misguided kids I
interviewed while shooting Suicide Killers spoke of the 72 virgins
with total conviction. "No one knows how much Allah would have given
me in heaven if I had succeeded," said one of them, who described his
ideal target as a mall, a school, or a hospital in Netanya.
Within the confines of this Islamic concentration camp, the young
tormented Abdulmutallab desperately sought to purify himself. With
his religion informing him of his sinful, despicable, Allah-negating,
unwanted physical self, the only way out became to rid himself of his
earthly flesh, ideally by taking some infidels along with him.
Abdulmutallab hoped to annihilate all that was impure in his earthly
existence -- and to gain in Islamic paradise everything that he had
denied himself, ever so mercilessly, on earth.
[1] http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de122609.htm
[2] http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon1222jg.html
[3] http://www.danielpipes.org/104/god-and-mammon-does-poverty-cause-militant-islam
[4] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34618228/ns/us_news-washington_post
[5] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35483
[6] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10323
[7] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10323
[8] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35483
[9] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35483
[10] http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_suicide_bombers.html
[11] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0830968/
[12] http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6583
More at:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-islamic-roots-of-abdulmutallabs-suicidal-odyssey/
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: ***** MSNBC - EINSTEIN LETTER CALLS BIBLE 'PRETTY CHILDISH' ***** Jai
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Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 5:19 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Well put.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b3002ac$0$5352$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> then he said: "you don't have to be an einstein to say that".
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Einstein letter calls Bible 'pretty childish'
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/?GT1=43001
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
>
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TOPIC: Check out the HTN Re: ***** RELATIVITY PASSES ABSOLUTE TEST: EXACTING
RESEARCH FINDS EINSTEIN WAS EXACTLY RIGHT ***** Jai Maharaj posts
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 7:11 pm
From: kangarooistan
On Dec 22 2009, 7:50 pm, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
> Einstein's theories of relativity are totally bullshit. How long this
> lucrative charade with continue, is ultimately up to the public and their
> reps to decide.
> Cheers,
.
> Arindam Banerjee
>
> Check out the Hydrogen Transmission Network:
http://adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm
ALL new cities should include this technology ASAP
its certainly the way forward once we run out of fossil fuel we will
have no other option
GREAT idea Arindam
kanga
=====
>
> <use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
> messagenews:R9OHGoh8pZVvR4GYbOtL0e1@BXJV0...
>
> > Relativity Passes Absolute Test: Exacting research finds
> > Einstein was exactly right
>
> > By Stephen Ornes
> > Discover
> > June 22, 2007
>
> > Nearly three years ago, NASA's oft-canceled $750 million
> > Gravity Probe B Relativity Mission finally shot into space
> > with one goal -- to quantify Einstein's predictions from
> > Earth's orbit. Earlier this year, at the meeting of the
> > American Physics Society, principal investigator Francis
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TOPIC: INDONESIA - RICH HINDU PAST AND MODERATE MUSLIM FUTURE *** Jai Maharaj
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Indonesia: Rich Hindu Past and Moderate Muslim Future
By Nick Gier, Professor Emeritus, University of Idaho
"Nick Gier" <ngier@uidaho.edu>
New West
September 2, 2008
In 1991 I went on a two-week Smithsonian tour of Bali, the Indonesian
island most famous for its dances, craft arts, and Hindu festivals.
As I boarded a Garuda International flight in Los Angeles, I was
impressed that a nation that is 90 percent Muslim would name its
airline after a Hindu deity.
In every major building, we saw pictures of then President Suharto,
the army general who ruled Indonesia with an iron fist for 32 years.
This past month Suharto died after a prolonged illness.
Under the leadership of its first president Sukarno, Indonesia played
a major role in the Non-Aligned Movement. Although Sukarno claimed to
be neutral in the Cold War, the U.S. nevertheless was suspicious of
his friends in the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI), which increased
its vote from 16.4 percent in the 1955 elections to 34 percent in
1957.
In the late 1950s, the U.S. had been secretly funding right-wing
elements in the Indonesian military, and on September 30, 1965, left-
wing officers, fearing that they would be purged, murdered six top
generals, all of them U.S. trained.
Major General Suharto stepped in, took control, and planned a
national-wide crack down on the PKI and the labor unions. Although
there was no evidence that the PKI had anything to do with the
military revolt, Suharto ordered his troops to track down leftists
wherever they could be found.
Lacking sufficient intelligence, the CIA provided Suharto with a very
long list of names, and, in addition, 50 million rupiah, arms, and
ammunition. The best estimate of the slaughter is 500,000 dead.
Another 300,000 civilians died in military action in East Timor and
other places where Indonesians dared to protest Suharto's rule.
When I asked our Balinese guide what he thought of Suharto, he
expressed utter disdain for him. Comprising only 1.6 percent of the
1965 population, 50,000 Balinese were sacrificed to Cold War
ideology. Some of those killed were members of our guide's family.
Starting in the 7th Century A.D., Hindus and Buddhists from India
established prosperous kingdoms in Indonesia, and the largest
Buddhist stupa in antiquity is found at Borobudur on the island of
Java.
Today Muslim shadow puppeteers entertain large audiences with night-
long performances of the Hindu epics -- the Mahabharat or the Ramayan
-- moving all the figures, reciting the verses, and playing a drum
all at the same time -- a single master artist working without a
break.
Contrary to widespread belief, Islam did not spread in Indonesia by
the sword. Primarily because of the effectiveness of peaceful Sufi
missionaries, most Indonesian kings embraced Islam voluntarily.
The Balinese, however, were not willing to convert. As Muslim armies
gathered on the western tip of Java, only several miles from Bali,
our guide told the story, most likely apocryphal, that spies spread
the rumor that Balinese troops had dipped their spear points in pig
fat.
For whatever reason, the invasion of Bali was called off, and today
three million Hindus preserve their rich culture on this beautiful
island.
From 2002 to 2005 there were three terrorist bombings, two on Bali,
specifically targeted at popular tourist locations. A total of 234
people were killed, but the perpetrators were arrested and they will
be executed in a few weeks.
In a 2006 poll only 10 percent of Indonesians supported the killing
of civilians for the reason of protecting Islam. Polling the citizens
of another moderate Muslim nation, University of Maryland researchers
found that 79 percent of Moroccans said that killing civilians was
never justified. What is interesting, and not a little shocking, is
that in the same poll only 46 percent of Americans said "never" to
the killing of civilians.
Since 1998, when Suharto was ousted in nation-wide protests,
Indonesians have had regular elections, and they even elected their
first female president in 2001. Significantly, she was Megawati
Sukarnoputri, Sukarno's daughter.
In the 2004 parliamentary elections, parties that identify themselves
as Islamist got 35 percent of the vote while the secular parties
received 47.6 percent, but in 200 regional elections since then not a
single Islamist candidate has won a seat.
The largest Muslim organization in Indonesia with a membership of 70
million has recently redefined an Islamic state as one that is "just
and prosperous," not one that follows Sharia law. They have also have
decided to support Sukarno's liberal policy of religious tolerance,
one that accepts the existence of all faiths.
In December, 1992, Hindu fundamentalists in India destroyed a mosque
that they claimed was built on the birthplace of the Hindu God Rama.
I would like to contrast that with my last night in Bali, when I
heard the chanting, 400 hundred voices strong, of Rama's monkey army
crossing a causeway to Shri Lanka to help recapture Sita, Rama's wife
who had been kidnapped by a demon.
The divine name Raam now divides Indian Hindus and Muslims, but for
centuries the stories of Raam have brought Indonesians together in
traditional theater and dance across this moderate Muslim nation of
235 million.
Nick Gier taught religion and philosophy at the University of Idaho
for 31 years. Read or hear his other columns at www.NickGier.com .
Read about the destruction of the mosque in India at
www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/ayodhya.htm
Comments
By Craig Moore, 2-09-08
-From the Quran:
Sura 8:12: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels with the message:
'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror
into the hearts of the Unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and
smite all their fingertips off them"
The Wall Street Journal reporter, Daniel Piper, could attest to this
expression by the religion of peace if not but for his brutal murder
by its adherents.
Regarding the peaceful nature of Islam as practiced in conjunction
with Christianity in Indonesia there is this:
http://www.leaderu.com/common/indonesia.html
>>>>>>>
The growth of Christianity caused consternation among the Muslim
community of Indonesia, which claims 85% of the population. As a
result, Muslims adopted a systematic approach to stunt the growth of
Christianity.
"Oppression started out as mental or psychological pressure on the
Christian population and increased to formal strategies of opposing
Christianity's growth," Maryono explained. "Within the last five
years, the opposition and subsequent persecution has risen
dramatically."
According to Pocock, 350 churches were burned in Indonesia in just
the first five months of 1998. Maryono believes that number to be
conservative. According to the U.S. State Department's 1998 Report on
Human Rights, several instances of mob violence have occurred over
the last few years in Indonesia; they have included attacks on
churches, Christian schools, and other religious facilities.
LATEST ROUND OF RIOTS
The Chinese, who comprise approximately 3% of Indonesia's population
and are mainly Christians, bore the brunt of the latest round of
riots. Reports from various sources have likened the destruction of
Chinese communities to that of Berlin and Rotterdam after World War
II.
"The destruction of every shop, bank, restaurant, hotel, and place of
business is very complete," writes missionary Bill Hekman with the
Christian Leaders Association, "As the people loot and burn they
shout 'Allahuakbar!' (God is Great). This is a racial and religious
war of a one-sided attack by Moslems against Chinese who can do
nothing to defend themselves."
<<<<<<<<<<<<
Then there are storie like the 4 Christian girls beheaded and the
1000's of other deaths from Muslim violence against Christians. See:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/novemberweb-only/23.0.html
The point being is that the fabric of propaganda is not only woven
with carefully selected truths and half-truths but with the threads
of those truths conveniently left out. The story of how Islam came to
Indonesia palls into insignificance compared to how the "Sword" is
used today against 'non-believers.'
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By Nick Gier, 2-12-08
Dear Mr. Moore,
Yes, I neglected to include militant Muslim attacks on Christians in
Indonesian. To rectify that I've added the paragraph quoted below.
You may have noticed that I have included Hindu and Buddhist
fundamentalists attacks on Christians in India and Shri Lanka in
previous columns. You can check this out at
http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/darksouls.htm and /slrvcol.htm
When the governments of these nations start encouraging this
violence, then I will start worrying.
I've added the following paragraph to the on-line version of this
column on Indonesia.
"As they have in India, radical Muslims in Indonesia have also
attacked Christians. An especially gruesome attack occurred on the
island of Sulawesi, where three Christian girls were decapitated.
Again the police reacted quickly and jailed ten Muslims who were
responsible."
Meanwhile, we should watch our own home front. Just recently a mosque
was burned down in Columbia, TN, and remember that a Sikh cab driver
was pulled from his taxi and killed in California right after 9/11.
Generally, we should be very concerned about the 40 percent of
Americans who essentially say that it would be OK to kill civilizians
for national defense. Only 10 percent of Indonesians said that this
was permissible.
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By Craig Moore, 2-13-08
Let's stay on track with Indonesia. You claim that it has a moderate
Muslim future. I take great issue with your use of the word
'moderate.'
-From the US Department of State:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90137.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Abuses of Religious Freedom
During the reporting period there were reports of abuse of religious
freedom across the country.
During the reporting period, as in past periods, the Government
continued to explicitly and implicitly restrict the religious freedom
of groups associated with forms of Islam viewed as outside the
mainstream. Also during the reporting period, the Government arrested
and charged individuals with heresy, blasphemy, and insulting Islam.
In May 2007, the Lebak District, West Java, Department of Religion
reportedly encouraged the Muslim sect "Islam Sejati" to return to the
fold of orthodox Islam. A few days later, on May 15, 2007, the
Banten, West Java, chapter of the MUI issued a fatwa declaring the
group deviant because members only prayed three times a day and did
not face Mecca when they prayed.
During the reporting period, 187 members of the Ahmadiyya continued
to live at a refugee camp in Mataram, Lombok. They have been living
in the camp since attacks by local Muslims in February and March 2006
destroyed their homes and mosques. Representatives of Ahmadiyya in
Lombok raised security concerns on July 24, 2006, with
representatives of the Australian Consulate in Bali. They requested
asylum from persecution by local Muslims. In May 2007, the West Nusa
Tenggara Deputy Governor stated that the Ahmadiyya are permitted by
law to seek asylum in another country.
Violence and actions against the Ahmadiyya community increased after
the MUI issued a July 2005 fatwa that condemned the Ahmadiyya as a
heretical sect. In 2005 a number of policies, laws, and official
actions restricted the religious freedom of the Ahmadiyya community
in other areas. Despite a heavy police presence during two attacks on
an Ahmadiyya congregation in West Java in July 2005, police made no
arrests. A local ban was subsequently passed against the Ahmadiyya in
West Java, and they were prevented from using their religious
complex. As of the end of the reporting period, no action had been
taken against the perpetrators of the incidents. The Government
continued to tolerate discrimination and abuse toward the Ahmadiyya
by remaining silent on the 2005 MUI fatwa, the Ahmadiyya's legal
status, and local bans.
Dozens of people in Pasuruan, East Java, raided two houses belonging
to M. Thoyib and Rochamim on April 9, 2007, accusing them of
practicing animism. Both men had previously practiced Islam, but had
allegedly embraced animism and conducted animistic prayer ceremonies
at cemeteries. Neighbors denounced them as heretics. Local police
detained and questioned the two men about their religious activities.
They were not arrested or charged; however, the two chose to stay in
police custody for their own safety for two weeks before returning
home.
In April 2007, Malang police arrested eight persons accused of
disseminating a "prayer training" video produced by the College
Student Service Organization in Batu, East Java. The video allegedly
depicts 30 Christians being instructed by their leader to put Qur'ans
on the floor at a December 2006 gathering. Following the initial
arrests, an additional 33 persons were detained under blasphemy
charges in connection with the videos. Christian church leaders
denied allegations that Christians were involved in the production or
distribution of the videos. At the end of the reporting period, the
41 persons detained were still awaiting trial.
On June 28, 2006, the Polewali, South Sulawesi state court sentenced
Sumardi Tappaya, a Muslim high school religious teacher, to 6 months
in prison for heresy after a relative accused him of whistling during
prayers. The local MUI declared the whistling deviant. The teacher
served his sentence.
On June 29, 2006, the Central Jakarta District Court sentenced Lia
Eden, leader of the Jamaah Alamulla Group, to 2 years in prison for
denigrating a religion. The MUI issued an edict in 1997 declaring
Jamaah Alamulla deviant.
The press reported that in May 2006 the Banyuwangi, East Java
regional legislature voted to oust Banyuwangi's Regent, Ratna Ani
Lestari, from office. Those in favor of the ouster accused Ratna, a
Muslim by birth, of blaspheming Islam by practicing a different
religion from the one stated on her identity card. Ratna's supporters
stated that she was the target of a religiously motivated smear
campaign because of her marriage to a Hindu. Ratna remained in place
because the courts ruled there was no quorum present when the
legislature's vote was taken. The regional legislature appealed to
the Supreme Court, which had yet to rule as of the end of the
reporting period.
On April 12, 2006, police in Banyuwangi, East Java, arrested five
Falun Dafa activists, two of them foreigners, for distributing
circulars to local residents. Police later claimed they arrested the
five because the circulars contained information about the Chinese
Communist party and not because the activists were Falun Dafa
members; distribution of Communist literature remains illegal. The
five Falun Dafa activists were subsequently released and no charges
were filed.
During 2006 the Aceh government caned at least 25 persons for
consuming alcohol, 59 people for gambling, and 32 people for being
alone with persons of the opposite sex who were not blood relatives.
The Indonesian Christian Communication Forum claimed that eight
small, unlicensed churches in West Java were shut down during the
reporting period by Muslim extremist groups despite a 2 year grace
period contained in the revised regulation for houses of worship to
obtain permits per the new requirements. In 2006 militant groups
forcibly closed two churches without police intervention. Another 20
churches closed in 2006 under pressure from militant groups after the
promulgation of the revised decree remain closed, according to the
Forum. While often present, police rarely acted to prevent forced
church closings and sometimes assisted militant groups in the
closure. In early June 2006 the central Government announced its
intentions to crack down on vigilantism by militant religious groups
against places of worship as well as other targets. At the end of the
reporting period, there were no specific reports of action.
In November 2005 local police arrested a foreigner and a citizen who
were associated with a Christian working on a humanitarian dam
building project on the island of Madura. Police acted after local
religious leaders alleged that the two engaged in proselytizing. The
allegations appeared to be sparked by jealousy on the part of leaders
that their communities had not received similar projects. Prosecutors
charged the citizen, who continued to publicly profess a
nontraditional version of Islam, with denigrating a religion, and the
court sentenced him to 2 ½ in prison. The foreigner was convicted of
immigration violations, sentenced to 5 ½ months, and deported.
In October 2005 police in Central Sulawesi raided their neighborhood
Madi sect after locals from other villages complained that sect
followers were not fasting or performing ritual prayers during
Ramadan. Three policemen and two sect members died in the clash. Sect
members reportedly held two police officers hostage but later
released them. Five Madi members were tried by local courts for
causing the deaths of the police personnel; in January 2006 they were
convicted and sentenced to between 9 and 12 years in prison.
In September 2005 an East Java court sentenced each of six drug and
cancer treatment counselors at an East Java treatment center to 5
years in prison and an additional 3 years in prison for violating key
precepts of Islam by using paranormal healing methods. A local MUI
edict characterized their center's methods as heretical. Police
arrested the counselors while they tried to defend themselves from
hundreds of persons who raided the center's headquarters. The center
was shut down and the six counselors began serving their sentences
during the reporting period.
In August 2005, East Java's Malang District Court sentenced Muhammad
Yusman Roy to 2 years imprisonment for reciting Muslim prayers in
Indonesian, which MUI declared tarnished the purity of Arabic-based
Islam. Roy was released from prison on November 9, 2006, after
serving 18 months of his sentence.
In June 2005 police criminally charged a lecturer at the Muhammadiyah
University in Palu for heresy. They held him for 5 days before
placing him under house arrest after 2,000 persons protested against
his opinion article, entitled "Islam, A Failed Religion." The
article, among other things, highlighted the spread of corruption in
the country. The lecturer was released from house arrest and
subsequently fired by the University.
In September 2005 a court sentenced three women from the Christian
Church of Camp David to 3 years imprisonment under the Child
Protection Law for allegedly attempting to convert Muslim children to
Christianity. The women claimed that family members gave permission
for their children to attend Christian youth programs. The Supreme
Court rejected the women's appeal in 2006. They served two years of
their sentences and were released on parole on June 11, 2007.
Local Shari'a-influenced anti-prostitution ordinances exist
throughout the country. This included Tangerang, West Java, where the
city council passed a vaguely worded by-law on November 21, 2005,
prohibiting anyone suspected of being a prostitute, based on his or
her attitude or behavior, from being in public places. In 2006
Tangerang arrested and tried dozens of women as prostitutes,
including a pregnant mother of two who was accused of being a
prostitute because she purportedly had make-up in her purse. In April
2006 three of the women tried in Tangerang filed a request for
judicial review of the by-law with the Supreme Court, but the court
ruled on March 1, 2007 that the law was valid and not in conflict
with higher laws.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
If moderation is measured only in the severity of punishment compared
to other Muslim countries, then I disagree with your claim.
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By Nick Gier, 2-16-08
Dear Mr. Moore:
Considering the fact that Indonesia is a very large country with 235
million people, this list of infractions is quite small.
I would rather go with the Freedom House report of 2007. This is an
organization that liberals have criticized, especially in the Cold
War years, for rating authoritarian dictatorships that the U.S.
supported more free than they should have been.
My contention of a moderate Indonesia is firmly supported by Freedom
House, which ranks Indonesia and Mali as the only free Muslim
countries in the world. I would disagree with them on at least two
countries: Morocco and Turkey. Considering the large number of Muslim
countries, this is quite an honor that Indonesia holds.
What is quite significant is that in the 200 regional elections held
since 2006, not a single militant Muslim candidate has won,
supporting the survey showing that only 10 percent of Indonesians
support militant activities.
Significantly, it was not free at all when we supported the Suharto
dictatorship.
-From Freedom House 2007 Report
Political Rights Score: 2
Civil Liberties Score: 3
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's reform campaign proceeded in
fits and starts, with a notable cabinet reshuffle in December 2005
and the passage of a number of reforms as well as the reversal of
some gains in the face of considerable public opposition. Despite the
appointment of a new, reformist military leader early in 2006,
military-business ties and an entrenched tradition of impunity
continued to inhibit much-needed military reform. Further progress
was made toward securing peace in the northwestern province of Aceh,
with the passage of an Aceh governance bill in July 2006 and the
successful completion of the province's first elections in December.
A former rebel leader was elected governor in the peaceful balloting.
Unrest in the eastern province of Papua persisted, however, and the
arrival of dozens of Papuan asylum seekers on Australian shores in
February complicated Indonesia's relations with that country. The
year also saw a worrisome rise in conservative Islamism, including a
spate of religious attacks and the passage of illegal Sharia (Islamic
law) ordinances in a number of districts. Democracy activists waged a
widespread and largely successful campaign to promote the country's
secular ideology of Pancasila in response. Staggered, direct
elections for regional leaders continued to be held across the
country over the year.
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By Ayya, 2-26-08
One would think that you are deluded or likely funded by the Oil Rich
Arabs to think Islam is a tolerant peaceful religion. In a typical
Hindu bashing style you mention that "the Hindu Fundametalists
destroyed ---" The so called Hindu fundamentalists is an Oxymoron. In
fact the Shia's and Sunnis, who number in millions, live more
peacefully in India compared to Pakistani and Iraqi sunnis and shias.
Just cross over to Malaysia and see the peaceful muslims destroying
temples.
Remember the Bamian Buddha in Afghanistan? And another Buddha in
Pakistan in 2007. Any idea how many temples were destroyed by the
peaceful religion? In Kashi (Benares) you can see the Mosque built on
the destroyed temple walls. Throughout India there are Mosques built
on destroyed temples. And the catholics under the Portugese rule were
not a peaceful lot either. They have their share of Churches built on
temples. The Hindus killed by the Muslims during their conquest and
rule is as bad as the Holocaust in number of people killed.
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http://www.newwest.net/citjo/article/indonesia_rich_hindu_past_and_moderate_muslim_future/C33/L33/
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: ***** CASTE SYSTEM IN BHARAT by Prof Koenraad Elst ***** Jai Maharaj
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Social and occupational divisions have existed since the earliest times.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b2fb07b$0$5345$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> this is a great article, and i agree with it.
> caste is now beginning to be accepted in usa; it is called
> multi-culturalism. of course, usa will in time get it more right and will
> relable it as jati.
> is it any wonder then that folks in places like newsweek have started to say
> usa is now feeling like a land of hindus?
> if the brown hindus are smart out there in inja, they will kick 3m out and
> send them back to jerusalem, mecca and moscow, and burn all produced daroo
> as fuel for electricity in a biomass plant.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > I posted the following in 1999:
> >
> > Forwarded article from "indian lady" <an...@erols.com>
> >
> > CASTE SYSTEM IN INDIA BY PROF KOENRAAD ELST
> >
> > http://www.eu.spiritweb.org/HinduismToday/94-09-Caste.html
> >
> > Sub Verdict from Belgium
> >
> > Last month, two ardent Hindus battled out the controversial
> > pros and cons of caste. This month's assessment, from
> > Europe, focuses on history and how jati and varna have, for
> > the most part, helped rather than hurt Hinduism.
> >
> > By Prof. Koenraad Elst
> >
> > In an inter-faith debate, most Hindus can easily be put on
> > the defensive with a single word-caste. Any anti-Hindu
> > polemist can be counted on to allege that "the typically
> > Hindu caste system is the most cruel apartheid, imposed by
> > the barbaric white Aryan invaders on the gentle dark-
> > skinned natives." Here's a more balanced and historical
> > account of this controversial institution.
> >
> > Merits of the Caste System The caste system is often
> > portrayed as the ultimate horror. Inborn inequality is
> > indeed unacceptable to us moderns, but this does not
> > preclude that the system has also had its merits.
> >
> > Caste is perceived as an "exclusion-from," but first of all
> > it is a form of "belonging-to," a natural structure of
> > solidarity. For this reason, Christian and Muslim
> > missionaries found it very difficult to lure Hindus away
> > from their communities. Sometimes castes were collectively
> > converted to Islam, and Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) decreed
> > that the missionaries could tolerate caste distinction
> > among Christian converts; but by and large, caste remained
> > an effective hurdle to the destruction of Hinduism through
> > conversion. That is why the missionaries started attacking
> > the institution of caste and in particular the brahmin
> > caste. This propaganda has bloomed into a full-fledged
> > anti-brahminism, the Indian equivalent of anti-Semitism.
> > Every caste had a large measure of autonomy, with its own
> > judiciary, duties and privileges, and often its own
> > temples. Inter-caste affairs were settled at the village
> > council by consensus; even the lowest caste had veto power.
> > This autonomy of intermediate levels of society is the
> > antithesis of the totalitarian society in which the
> > individual stands helpless before the all-powerful state.
> > This decentralized structure of civil society and of the
> > Hindu religious commonwealth has been crucial to the
> > survival of Hinduism under Muslim rule. Whereas Buddhism
> > was swept away as soon as its monasteries were destroyed,
> > Hinduism retreated into its caste structure and weathered
> > the storm.
> >
> > Caste also provided a framework for integrating immigrant
> > communities: Jews, Zoroastrians and Syrian Christians. They
> > were not only tolerated, but assisted in efforts to
> > preserve their distinctive traditions.
> >
> > Typically Hindu? It is routinely claimed that caste is a
> > uniquely Hindu institution. Yet, counter examples are not
> > hard to come by. In Europe and elsewhere, there was (or
> > still is) a hierarchical distinction between noblemen and
> > commoners, with nobility only marrying nobility. Many
> > tribal societies punished the breach of endogamy rules with
> > death.
> >
> > . . .
>
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TOPIC: OVER 100 HINDU RELIGIOUS HEADS TO MEET IN HYDERABAD THIS WEEK - HINDU
DHARM ACHARYA SABHA *** Jai Maharaj posts
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Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 8:37 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from S. Venkat
Over 100 Hindu Religious Heads to meet in Hyderabad this Week
Hindu Bharm Acharya Sabha represents the collective leadership of
Hindu religion. This Acharya Sabha was formed six years ago at its
first meeting in Chennai on November 29, 30 and December 1, 2003. Two
more meetings have taken place since, in October 2005 at Mumbai and
another in February 2008 at Bangalore. These meetings were well
attended by Mathadhipathis, Dharmacharyas, MahaMandaleshwars,
Adheenams and heads various sampradayas comprising the Sanatan Dharm.
The decisions arrived at by the Acharya Sabha are therefore binding
on Hindu Society and should also be acted upon by the Government as
the will of the Hindu community. The Acharya Sabha is meeting for the
4th time at Hyderabad from 9th through 11th January 2010.
Announcing the dates for the meeting, the Convener of Acharya Sabha,
H.H. Swami Dayanand Saraswathi said "We have made significant
progress in our first three meetings. There has been total
convergence of minds amongst all the Acharyas. We now have clarity
and the will to pursue on our declarations of the past. The Acharya
Sabha has been recognized as the face of Hindu Society by the entire
world and that is a very good starting point". Elaborating further he
said that, as the Convener of Acharya Sabha, he was invited to the UN
Universal Declation of Human Rights on 10th December 2008 at The
Hague, The Netherlands. There, at the Conference he was able to have
a declaration passed that it would be a serous Human Rights violation
if one interferes with the individual's "freedom to have, to retain
and to adopt a religion or belief of one's personal choice without
coercion or inducement". The Acharya Sabha considers this "2008 Faith
in Human Rights Statement" signed by all religious leaders as a major
success for the Hindu Community at large, which has been at the
receiving end of conversions for decades now.
Earlier in February 2008, Swami Dayanand Saraswathi represented the
Hindus as the Convener of the Acharya Sabha in the Second Jewish-
Hindu Leadership Summit. A joint declaration issued then reiterated
that One Supreme Being, both in it's formless and manifest aspects,
has been worshipped by Hindus over the millennia. And different idols
of Gods in Hinduism are merely the form or manifestation of One
Reality, but in substance, the Hindus accept only One Reality. The
joint declaration therefore was to respect the practices that define
the religious identity of the Hindu community and condemn all
activities that undermine their sanctity.
Swami Dayanand Saraswathi said "The Religious Heads of various
Communities are very vocal in their recognition that Hindu religion
is sacred and very ancient. But we still have a long way to go in
getting our rights back as a majority religion in India. It is quite
insulting to feel sometimes as second-class citizens in our own
motherland".
The Acharya Sabha meet in Hyderabad will therefore address the way
forward on the issues that are on top of every Hindu's mind.
1. How to attain the Right to Religion which is consistent with the
"UN 2008 Faith in Human Rights Resolution." Clearly conversion based
on derogatory statements about Hinduism or coercion or inducement
will have to be stopped by strong amendment in our laws.
2. Government control on Hindu places of worships must yield to
autonomous bodies, run by religious minded people. There should be no
role for the secular Government in running of our temples.
3. Hindus should not feel deprived and aggrieved because they
constitute the majority community. All human rights must be equal
irrespective of caste, creed or religion and as prescribed in the
directive principle of our Constitution. The Acharya Sabha will work
for a Common Civil Code, as is the case with our Common Criminal
Procedure Code.
4. The cow is very sacred to all Hindus and cow slaughter is banned
in our Constitution. Despite this, our law is not uniform and some
States continue to allow it. The Acharya Sabha would seek a clear-cut
ban on such practices.
More than 100 Peethadipathis, Matadhipathis and Mahamandaleswars will
sit together at Image Gardens, Opposite to Hitech City at Madhapur,
Hyderabad to discuss the above issues and other related ones. This is
expected to be the largest gathering of all Dharm Acharyas of the
Country concerning all Hindu Sampradayas.
N.V.S.S. Prabakar
Core Committee Member
Cell: 09848020413, 09949722699
End of forwarded article from S. Venkat
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: HOW DEEP ARE THE ROOTS OF BHARATIYA CIVILIZATION? ARCHAEOLOGY ANSWERS:
B B LAL *** Jai Maharaj posts
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Date: Thurs, Jan 7 2010 9:11 pm
From: "harmony"
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091230Z1r0Yd51AyMD0a6al7JXjXf@O2d49...
> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> How deep are the roots of Indian civilization? Archaeology answers: B B
> Lal
>
they are so deep they are coming out in america at the newsweek.
of course, the that hunter guy not smart to know better.
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