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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:32 pm
From: "harmony"
apparently hse needs more time.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100126Vj0swfQc345y2QS8fRiMu76@FM725...
> Renowned singer Sara Forman of the world's only Sanskrit rock band,
> marries in Nevada
>
> September 29, 2009
>
> Sara Anjuli Forman, singer of the only Sanskrit rock band of the
> world Shanti Shanti, married John Patrick Gracey in a traditional
> Catholic ceremony in Reno (Nevada, USA) on September 26 evening.
>
> Acclaimed Hindu statesman Rajan Zed also blessed the couple after the
> Catholic ceremony held at Bishop Manogue Chapel.
>
> Shanti Shanti released their sixth album titled "Veda" on the oldest
> scripture of the world Vedas. This groundbreaking work, which took
> one year to complete involving extensive research, contains shlokas
> (hymns) from all four Vedas -- Rg-ved, Saam-ved, Atharv-ved, and
> Yajur-ved; some as old as 1,500 BCE.
>
> Sara has never been to India, never had a Sanskrit teacher, and still
> she can spontaneously chant, read, write, and translate Sanskrit. She
> has toured various countries and various states of USA with her
> Shanti Shanti band giving packed Sanskrit musical performances. She
> has been in various television shows, mentioned in various
> publications, and extensively written about.
>
> - Sampurn Media
>
> Visit:
> http://www.shantishanti.com/
>
> More at:
> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/renowned-singer-sara-forman-of-the-worlds-only-sanskrit-rock-band-marries-in-nevada_100253543.html
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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:50 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from M. W.
Monday, January 25, 2010
The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
Musharraf.
Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
reacting as anticipated.
GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
took power and visited New Delhi.
Pak needs to wait longer.
End of forwarded article from M. W.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from D. T.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
>
> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> love of cricket or money.
>
> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> security risks.
>
> End of forwarded article from D. T.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from M. W.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> >
> > More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
> >
> > Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > opted out of IPL- 3.
> >
> > The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> >
> > The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> > them two years back.
> >
> > Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> >
> > Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> >
> > Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> >
> > I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> >
> > There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
> >
> > India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > Khan.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > bashing sickos?
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> > > > body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL. So
> > > > much for GOI.
> > > >
> > > > 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > > several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> > > > continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > > > attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety of
> > > > the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > >
> > > > If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > > > India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would be
> > > > held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by Pak
> > > > Govt.
> > > >
> > > > The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured their
> > > > inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside the
> > > > Country then.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> > > > India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> > > > Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence there
> > > > though all details of his presence has been known and extending all
> > > > support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> > > > extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > >
> > > > 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > > himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions with
> > > > ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> > > > Bangladesh?
> > > >
> > > > Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> > > > India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > > Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> > > > Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and artists
> > > > from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any improvement
> > > > of relations?
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > >
> > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > > > > information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > >
> > > > > (For favour of publication)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > > "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > > > > January 24), is shocking.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement and
> > > > > rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the pro-Pak
> > > > > band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani cricketers,
> > > > > the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> > > > > arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the Indian
> > > > > government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > > > > changed perception.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour, hospitality
> > > > > and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian fans
> > > > > during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve Indo-Pak
> > > > > relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to Indian
> > > > > musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that Pakistan
> > > > > has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and terrorism
> > > > > and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> > > > > become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a point
> > > > > of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India to go
> > > > > an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We ought to
> > > > > know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are interested in
> > > > > Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the majority,
> > > > > are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu India an
> > > > > Islamic State.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours faithfully,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > >
> > > > > By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > > The Pioneer
> > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of its
> > > > > players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The IPL,
> > > > > after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team owners
> > > > > collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > > > > Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > > > > affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> > > > > Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted his
> > > > > country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster. Life is
> > > > > not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often taken on
> > > > > mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> > > > > state.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction in
> > > > > Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis attach a
> > > > > great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India. In
> > > > > the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired in
> > > > > shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > > > > English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride when
> > > > > the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the 1970s.
> > > > > Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif Iqbal
> > > > > captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer Abbas
> > > > > top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey. That
> > > > > was because England was perceived as the headquarters of cricket.
> > > > > Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in the
> > > > > Lancashire League.
> > > > >
> > > > > An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in England was
> > > > > the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > > > > wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in 2000.
> > > > > Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report in
> > > > > Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia entry),
> > > > > "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to represent
> > > > > Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain whether
> > > > > his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take his
> > > > > discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But mutiny
> > > > > was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > > > reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to find it
> > > > > deserted."
> > > > >
> > > > > Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal) who
> > > > > equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They were
> > > > > reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who have
> > > > > nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an earlier
> > > > > generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> > > > > India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the economics
> > > > > of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > > > > cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the anguish
> > > > > of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of bias
> > > > > and national humiliation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket and, by
> > > > > implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> > > > > evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL is no
> > > > > longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > > > preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When the
> > > > > Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh Khan's
> > > > > team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> > > > > newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India immeasurable
> > > > > goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather prickly
> > > > > in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent sense
> > > > > for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > > > cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle of
> > > > > most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > > > >
> > > > > India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the bigoted
> > > > > ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency in
> > > > > Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a daily
> > > > > dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India. Many
> > > > > Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for the US.
> > > > > There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > >
> > > > > By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a cynical
> > > > > Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> > > > > further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that Pakistan
> > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South Block
> > > > > has complicated matters and given a private matter an official twist.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in India
> > > > > that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A ham-handed
> > > > > Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our responses to
> > > > > complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa regulations
> > > > > meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the Jaipur
> > > > > Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into India
> > > > > also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than make
> > > > > convoluted travel plans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> > > > > strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US had
> > > > > imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> > > > > nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we have
> > > > > cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > >
> > > > > National security is paramount. But before we insist that every knee-
> > > > > jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would be
> > > > > beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving end.
> > > > > The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will. India
> > > > > would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an uncompromising
> > > > > but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed with
> > > > > intelligence and discretion.
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> > > > >
> > > > > More at:
> > > > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:53 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from V. K.
Monday, January 25, 2010
I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
Pakistan players from IPL.
Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
take roots.
Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
End of forwarded article from V. K.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from M. W.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
>
> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> Musharraf.
>
> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> reacting as anticipated.
>
> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
>
> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
> took power and visited New Delhi.
>
> Pak needs to wait longer.
>
> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from D. T.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> > big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> > but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> >
> > If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> > alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> > love of cricket or money.
> >
> > We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > security risks.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from D. T.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > >
> > > More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > > making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
> > >
> > > Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > > attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > > opted out of IPL- 3.
> > >
> > > The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > >
> > > The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> > > them two years back.
> > >
> > > Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > >
> > > Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > >
> > > Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > >
> > > I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > > soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > > clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > >
> > > There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
> > >
> > > India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > > Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > > Khan.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > > bashing sickos?
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> > > > > body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL. So
> > > > > much for GOI.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > > > several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> > > > > continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > > > > attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety of
> > > > > the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > > >
> > > > > If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > > > > India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would be
> > > > > held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by Pak
> > > > > Govt.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured their
> > > > > inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside the
> > > > > Country then.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> > > > > India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> > > > > Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence there
> > > > > though all details of his presence has been known and extending all
> > > > > support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> > > > > extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > > > himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions with
> > > > > ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> > > > > Bangladesh?
> > > > >
> > > > > Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> > > > > India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > > > Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> > > > > Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and artists
> > > > > from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any improvement
> > > > > of relations?
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > >
> > > > > > Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > > > > > information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (For favour of publication)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > > > "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > > > > > January 24), is shocking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement and
> > > > > > rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the pro-Pak
> > > > > > band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani cricketers,
> > > > > > the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> > > > > > arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> > > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the Indian
> > > > > > government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > > > > > changed perception.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> hospitality
> > > > > > and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian fans
> > > > > > during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> Indo-Pak
> > > > > > relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to Indian
> > > > > > musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that Pakistan
> > > > > > has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> terrorism
> > > > > > and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> > > > > > become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a point
> > > > > > of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India to
> go
> > > > > > an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We ought
> to
> > > > > > know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are interested in
> > > > > > Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the majority,
> > > > > > are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu India
> an
> > > > > > Islamic State.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yours faithfully,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > > > The Pioneer
> > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of its
> > > > > > players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The IPL,
> > > > > > after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team owners
> > > > > > collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > > > > > Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > > > > > affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> > > > > > Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted his
> > > > > > country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster. Life is
> > > > > > not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often taken
> on
> > > > > > mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> > > > > > state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction in
> > > > > > Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis attach
> a
> > > > > > great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India. In
> > > > > > the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired in
> > > > > > shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > > > > > English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride when
> > > > > > the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the 1970s.
> > > > > > Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> Iqbal
> > > > > > captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> Abbas
> > > > > > top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey. That
> > > > > > was because England was perceived as the headquarters of cricket.
> > > > > > Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in the
> > > > > > Lancashire League.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in England
> was
> > > > > > the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > > > > > wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in 2000.
> > > > > > Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report in
> > > > > > Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia entry),
> > > > > > "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> represent
> > > > > > Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain whether
> > > > > > his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take his
> > > > > > discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But mutiny
> > > > > > was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > > > > reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to find it
> > > > > > deserted."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal) who
> > > > > > equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They were
> > > > > > reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who have
> > > > > > nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an earlier
> > > > > > generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> > > > > > India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> economics
> > > > > > of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > > > > > cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the anguish
> > > > > > of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of bias
> > > > > > and national humiliation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket and,
> by
> > > > > > implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> > > > > > evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL is no
> > > > > > longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > > > > preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When the
> > > > > > Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh Khan's
> > > > > > team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> > > > > > newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India immeasurable
> > > > > > goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> prickly
> > > > > > in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent sense
> > > > > > for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > > > > cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle of
> > > > > > most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> bigoted
> > > > > > ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency in
> > > > > > Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> daily
> > > > > > dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India. Many
> > > > > > Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for the
> US.
> > > > > > There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a cynical
> > > > > > Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> > > > > > further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that Pakistan
> > > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South Block
> > > > > > has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> twist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in India
> > > > > > that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A ham-handed
> > > > > > Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our responses
> to
> > > > > > complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa regulations
> > > > > > meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the Jaipur
> > > > > > Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into India
> > > > > > also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
> make
> > > > > > convoluted travel plans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> > > > > > strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US had
> > > > > > imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> > > > > > nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we have
> > > > > > cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> knee-
> > > > > > jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would be
> > > > > > beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving end.
> > > > > > The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will. India
> > > > > > would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> uncompromising
> > > > > > but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed with
> > > > > > intelligence and discretion.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More at:
> > > > > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:56 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from V. K.
Monday, January 25, 2010
"A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
national association of film producers seeking their response to a
petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
- A news report in Times of India.
When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
available widely on videos.
End of forwarded article from V. K.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from V. K.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> Pakistan players from IPL.
>
> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
>
> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> take roots.
>
> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
>
> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
>
> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
>
> End of forwarded article from V. K.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from M. W.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> >
> > This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> > Musharraf.
> >
> > Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > reacting as anticipated.
> >
> > GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> > auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
> > lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> > Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> >
> > India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
> > took power and visited New Delhi.
> >
> > Pak needs to wait longer.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from D. T.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > > players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> > > big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > > country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> > > but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > >
> > > If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> > > alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > > players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> > > love of cricket or money.
> > >
> > > We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > > bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > > security risks.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > > >
> > > > More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > > > making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
> > > >
> > > > Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > > > attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > > > opted out of IPL- 3.
> > > >
> > > > The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > > >
> > > > The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> > > > them two years back.
> > > >
> > > > Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > > >
> > > > Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > > camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > > >
> > > > Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > > counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > > >
> > > > I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > > > soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > > > clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > > >
> > > > There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
> > > >
> > > > India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > > > Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > > > Khan.
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > > > bashing sickos?
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > > >
> > > > > > Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> > > > > > body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL. So
> > > > > > much for GOI.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > > > > several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> > > > > > continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > > > > > attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety
> of
> > > > > > the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > > > > > India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would
> be
> > > > > > held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by Pak
> > > > > > Govt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured their
> > > > > > inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside the
> > > > > > Country then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> > > > > > India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> > > > > > Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence there
> > > > > > though all details of his presence has been known and extending all
> > > > > > support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> > > > > > extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > > > > himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions with
> > > > > > ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> > > > > > Bangladesh?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> > > > > > India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > > > > Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> > > > > > Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and artists
> > > > > > from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> improvement
> > > > > > of relations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > > > > > > information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (For favour of publication)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > > > > "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > > > > > > January 24), is shocking.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement
> and
> > > > > > > rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the pro-Pak
> > > > > > > band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> cricketers,
> > > > > > > the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> > > > > > > arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> > > > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the Indian
> > > > > > > government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > > > > > > changed perception.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > hospitality
> > > > > > > and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian fans
> > > > > > > during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> > Indo-Pak
> > > > > > > relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> Indian
> > > > > > > musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> Pakistan
> > > > > > > has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > terrorism
> > > > > > > and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> > > > > > > become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> point
> > > > > > > of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India to
> > go
> > > > > > > an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We ought
> > to
> > > > > > > know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are interested
> in
> > > > > > > Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the majority,
> > > > > > > are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu India
> > an
> > > > > > > Islamic State.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yours faithfully,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > > > > The Pioneer
> > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of its
> > > > > > > players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
> IPL,
> > > > > > > after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team owners
> > > > > > > collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > > > > > > Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > > > > > > affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> > > > > > > Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted his
> > > > > > > country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster. Life
> is
> > > > > > > not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often taken
> > on
> > > > > > > mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> > > > > > > state.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction in
> > > > > > > Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> attach
> > a
> > > > > > > great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India. In
> > > > > > > the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired in
> > > > > > > shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > > > > > > English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
> when
> > > > > > > the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> 1970s.
> > > > > > > Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> > Iqbal
> > > > > > > captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> > Abbas
> > > > > > > top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
> That
> > > > > > > was because England was perceived as the headquarters of cricket.
> > > > > > > Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in
> the
> > > > > > > Lancashire League.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in England
> > was
> > > > > > > the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > > > > > > wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
> 2000.
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report
> in
> > > > > > > Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia entry),
> > > > > > > "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > represent
> > > > > > > Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> whether
> > > > > > > his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take his
> > > > > > > discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But mutiny
> > > > > > > was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > > > > > reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to find
> it
> > > > > > > deserted."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal) who
> > > > > > > equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
> were
> > > > > > > reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who have
> > > > > > > nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an earlier
> > > > > > > generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> > > > > > > India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > economics
> > > > > > > of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > > > > > > cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> anguish
> > > > > > > of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of bias
> > > > > > > and national humiliation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket and,
> > by
> > > > > > > implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> > > > > > > evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL is
> no
> > > > > > > longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > > > > > preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When the
> > > > > > > Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> Khan's
> > > > > > > team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> > > > > > > newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India immeasurable
> > > > > > > goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> > prickly
> > > > > > > in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
> sense
> > > > > > > for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > > > > > cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle
> of
> > > > > > > most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> > bigoted
> > > > > > > ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency in
> > > > > > > Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> > daily
> > > > > > > dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India. Many
> > > > > > > Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for the
> > US.
> > > > > > > There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> cynical
> > > > > > > Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> > > > > > > further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> Pakistan
> > > > > > > should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South Block
> > > > > > > has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> > twist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
> India
> > > > > > > that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A ham-handed
> > > > > > > Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our responses
> > to
> > > > > > > complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> regulations
> > > > > > > meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> Jaipur
> > > > > > > Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> India
> > > > > > > also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
> > make
> > > > > > > convoluted travel plans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> > > > > > > strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
> had
> > > > > > > imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> > > > > > > nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
> have
> > > > > > > cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> > knee-
> > > > > > > jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would be
> > > > > > > beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
> end.
> > > > > > > The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
> India
> > > > > > > would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > uncompromising
> > > > > > > but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed with
> > > > > > > intelligence and discretion.
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > More at:
> > > > > > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > Om Shanti
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== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:00 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from S. K.
Monday, January 25, 2010
<<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
fo Pak players.
End of forwarded article from S. K.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from V. K.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
>
> - A news report in Times of India.
>
> When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
> know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> available widely on videos.
>
> End of forwarded article from V. K.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
>> Forwarded message from V. K.
>>
>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>
>> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
>> Pakistan players from IPL.
>>
>> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
>>
>> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
>> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
>> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
>> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
>> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
>> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
>> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
>> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
>> take roots.
>>
>> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
>> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
>> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
>> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
>>
>> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
>> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
>>
>> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
>> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
>>
>> End of forwarded article from V. K.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>
>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>
>>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
>>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
>>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
>>>
>>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
>>> Musharraf.
>>>
>>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
>>> reacting as anticipated.
>>>
>>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
>>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
>>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
>>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
>>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
>>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
>>>
>>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
>>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
>>> took power and visited New Delhi.
>>>
>>> Pak needs to wait longer.
>>>
>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>>>
>>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
>>>>
>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>
>>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
>>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
>>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
>>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
>>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
>>>>
>>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
>>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
>>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
>>>> love of cricket or money.
>>>>
>>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
>>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
>>>> security risks.
>>>>
>>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
>>>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>
>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
>>>>>
>>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
>>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
>>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
>>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
>>>>> them two years back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
>>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
>>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
>>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
>>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
>>>>>
>>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
>>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
>>>>> Khan.
>>>>>
>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
>>>>>> bashing sickos?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
>>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL.
> So
>>>>>>> much for GOI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
>>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
>>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
>>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety
>> of
>>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
>>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would
>> be
>>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by
> Pak
>>>>>>> Govt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> their
>>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside
> the
>>>>>>> Country then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
>>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
>>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> there
>>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and extending
> all
>>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
>>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
>>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions
> with
>>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
>>>>>>> Bangladesh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
>>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
>>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
>>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> artists
>>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
>> improvement
>>>>>>> of relations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
>>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
>>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
>>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement
>> and
>>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> pro-Pak
>>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
>> cricketers,
>>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
>>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> Indian
>>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
>>>>>>>> changed perception.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
>>> hospitality
>>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> fans
>>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
>>> Indo-Pak
>>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
>> Indian
>>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
>>> terrorism
>>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
>>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
>> point
>>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India
> to
>>> go
>>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> ought
>>> to
>>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> interested
>> in
>>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> majority,
>>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> India
>>> an
>>>>>>>> Islamic State.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
>>>>>>>> The Pioneer
>>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> its
>>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
>> IPL,
>>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> owners
>>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
>>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
>>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
>>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted
> his
>>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> Life
>> is
>>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> taken
>>> on
>>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction
> in
>>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
>> attach
>>> a
>>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India.
> In
>>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired
> in
>>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
>>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
>> when
>>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
>> 1970s.
>>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
>>> Iqbal
>>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
>>> Abbas
>>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
>> That
>>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> cricket.
>>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in
>> the
>>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> England
>>> was
>>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
>>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
>> 2000.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report
>> in
>>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> entry),
>>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
>>> represent
>>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
>> whether
>>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take
> his
>>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> mutiny
>>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
>>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> find
>> it
>>>>>>>> deserted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal)
> who
>>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
>> were
>>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> have
>>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> earlier
>>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
>>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
>>> economics
>>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
>>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
>> anguish
>>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> bias
>>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> and,
>>> by
>>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
>>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL
> is
>> no
>>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
>>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When
> the
>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
>> Khan's
>>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
>>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> immeasurable
>>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
>>> prickly
>>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
>> sense
>>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
>>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle
>> of
>>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
>>> bigoted
>>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency
> in
>>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
>>> daily
>>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> Many
>>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> the
>>> US.
>>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
>> cynical
>>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
>>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> Block
>>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
>>> twist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
>> India
>>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> ham-handed
>>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> responses
>>> to
>>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
>> regulations
>>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
>> Jaipur
>>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
>> India
>>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
>>> make
>>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
>>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
>> had
>>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
>>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
>> have
>>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
>>> knee-
>>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would
> be
>>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
>> end.
>>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
>> India
>>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
>>> uncompromising
>>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> with
>>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
>>>
>>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
>
>>>>>>>> More at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:03 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from M. W.
Monday, January 25, 2010
There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
The directive came from MEA.
End of forwarded article from M. W.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from S. K.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
>
> With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
>
> Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
>
> But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
> the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> fo Pak players.
>
> End of forwarded article from S. K.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from V. K.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> > national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> >
> > - A news report in Times of India.
> >
> > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
> > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> > available widely on videos.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> >>
> >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>
> >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> >>
> >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> >>
> >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
> >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
> >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
> >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> >> take roots.
> >>
> >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
> >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
> >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
> >>
> >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> >>
> >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
> >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> >>
> >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> >>
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti
> >>
> >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>
> >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>
> >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> >>>
> >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> >>> Musharraf.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> >>> reacting as anticipated.
> >>>
> >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
> >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> >>>
> >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
> >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> >>>
> >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> >>>
> >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>
> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>> Om Shanti
> >>>
> >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> >>>>
> >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> >>>>
> >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> >>>> love of cricket or money.
> >>>>
> >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> >>>> security risks.
> >>>>
> >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>
> >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> >>>>> them two years back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> >>>>> Khan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL.
> > So
> >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety
> >> of
> >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would
> >> be
> >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by
> > Pak
> >>>>>>> Govt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> > their
> >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside
> > the
> >>>>>>> Country then.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> > there
> >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and extending
> > all
> >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions
> > with
> >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > artists
> >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> >> improvement
> >>>>>>> of relations?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > pro-Pak
> >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> >> cricketers,
> >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > Indian
> >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> >>> hospitality
> >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> > fans
> >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> >>> Indo-Pak
> >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> >> Indian
> >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> >> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> >>> terrorism
> >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> >> point
> >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India
> > to
> >>> go
> >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> > ought
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > interested
> >> in
> >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > majority,
> >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> > India
> >>> an
> >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> > its
> >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
> >> IPL,
> >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > owners
> >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted
> > his
> >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> > Life
> >> is
> >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> > taken
> >>> on
> >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> >>>>>>>> state.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction
> > in
> >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> >> attach
> >>> a
> >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India.
> > In
> >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired
> > in
> >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
> >> when
> >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> >> 1970s.
> >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> >>> Iqbal
> >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> >>> Abbas
> >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
> >> That
> >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > cricket.
> >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > England
> >>> was
> >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
> >> 2000.
> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report
> >> in
> >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > entry),
> >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> >>> represent
> >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> >> whether
> >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take
> > his
> >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > mutiny
> >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> > find
> >> it
> >>>>>>>> deserted."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal)
> > who
> >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
> >> were
> >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> > have
> >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > earlier
> >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> >>> economics
> >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> >> anguish
> >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> > bias
> >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> > and,
> >>> by
> >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL
> > is
> >> no
> >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When
> > the
> >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> >> Khan's
> >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > immeasurable
> >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> >>> prickly
> >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
> >> sense
> >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> >>> bigoted
> >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency
> > in
> >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> >>> daily
> >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> > Many
> >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> > the
> >>> US.
> >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> >> cynical
> >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> >> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> > Block
> >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> >>> twist.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
> >> India
> >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > ham-handed
> >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > responses
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> >> regulations
> >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> >> Jaipur
> >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> >> India
> >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
> >>> make
> >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
> >> had
> >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
> >> have
> >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> >>> knee-
> >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would
> > be
> >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
> >> end.
> >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
> >> India
> >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> >>> uncompromising
> >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> > with
> >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
>>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
>>
> >>>>>>>> More at:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:06 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from A. C.
Monday, January 25, 2010
V. K. raises an important issue.
In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
the Indian films.
At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
End of forwarded article from A. C.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from M. W.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
>
> The directive came from MEA.
>
> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from S. K.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> > the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> >
> > With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> > Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> > expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> >
> > Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> >
> > But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
> > the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> > likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> > India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> > fo Pak players.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from V. K.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> > > national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> > > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> > > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> > >
> > > - A news report in Times of India.
> > >
> > > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
> > > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> > > available widely on videos.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> > >>
> > >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>
> > >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> > >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> > >>
> > >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> > >>
> > >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> > >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> > >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> > >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
> > >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
> > >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> > >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
> > >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> > >> take roots.
> > >>
> > >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
> > >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
> > >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> > >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
> > >>
> > >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> > >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> > >>
> > >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
> > >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> > >>
> > >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > >>
> > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >> Om Shanti
> > >>
> > >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > >>>
> > >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>>
> > >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> > >>> Musharraf.
> > >>>
> > >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > >>> reacting as anticipated.
> > >>>
> > >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> > >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
> > >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> > >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> > >>>
> > >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
> > >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> > >>>
> > >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>> Om Shanti
> > >>>
> > >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> > >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> > >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> > >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> > >>>> love of cricket or money.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > >>>> security risks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>> Om Shanti
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian clientele.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> > >>>>> them two years back.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of KKR.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > >>>>> Khan.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>>> Om Shanti
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> > >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL.
> > > So
> > >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> > >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would
> > >> be
> > >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by
> > > Pak
> > >>>>>>> Govt.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> > > their
> > >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside
> > > the
> > >>>>>>> Country then.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> > >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> > >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> > > there
> > >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and extending
> > > all
> > >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> > >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions
> > > with
> > >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> > >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> > >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> > >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > > artists
> > >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> > >> improvement
> > >>>>>>> of relations?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > > pro-Pak
> > >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> > >> cricketers,
> > >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> > >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > > Indian
> > >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > >>> hospitality
> > >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> > > fans
> > >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> > >>> Indo-Pak
> > >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> > >> Indian
> > >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> > >> Pakistan
> > >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > >>> terrorism
> > >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> > >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> > >> point
> > >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India
> > > to
> > >>> go
> > >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> > > ought
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > > interested
> > >> in
> > >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > > majority,
> > >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> > > India
> > >>> an
> > >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> > >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> > >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> > > its
> > >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
> > >> IPL,
> > >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > > owners
> > >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted
> > > his
> > >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> > > Life
> > >> is
> > >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> > > taken
> > >>> on
> > >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> > >>>>>>>> state.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction
> > > in
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> > >> attach
> > >>> a
> > >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India.
> > > In
> > >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired
> > > in
> > >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
> > >> when
> > >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> > >> 1970s.
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> > >>> Iqbal
> > >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> > >>> Abbas
> > >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
> > >> That
> > >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > > cricket.
> > >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > > England
> > >>> was
> > >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
> > >> 2000.
> > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report
> > >> in
> > >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > > entry),
> > >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > >>> represent
> > >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> > >> whether
> > >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take
> > > his
> > >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > > mutiny
> > >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> > > find
> > >> it
> > >>>>>>>> deserted."
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal)
> > > who
> > >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
> > >> were
> > >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> > > have
> > >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > > earlier
> > >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> > >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > >>> economics
> > >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> > >> anguish
> > >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> > > bias
> > >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> > > and,
> > >>> by
> > >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> > >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL
> > > is
> > >> no
> > >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When
> > > the
> > >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> > >> Khan's
> > >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> > >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > > immeasurable
> > >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> > >>> prickly
> > >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
> > >> sense
> > >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> > >>> bigoted
> > >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency
> > > in
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> > >>> daily
> > >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> > > Many
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> > > the
> > >>> US.
> > >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> > >> cynical
> > >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> > >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> > >> Pakistan
> > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> > > Block
> > >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> > >>> twist.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
> > >> India
> > >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > > ham-handed
> > >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > > responses
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> > >> regulations
> > >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> > >> Jaipur
> > >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> > >> India
> > >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
> > >>> make
> > >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> > >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
> > >> had
> > >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> > >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
> > >> have
> > >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> > >>> knee-
> > >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would
> > > be
> > >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
> > >> end.
> > >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
> > >> India
> > >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > >>> uncompromising
> > >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> > > with
> > >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> >>
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> >>
> > >>>>>>>> More at:
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:10 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from M. W.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
last days in office.
India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
profession.
The only products that get past border security are e-content -
movies and cricket matches.
Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
End of forwarded article from M. W.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from A. C.
>
> Monday, January 25, 2010
>
> V. K. raises an important issue.
>
> In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
> justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
> industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
> the Indian films.
>
> At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
> him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
>
> I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
>
> End of forwarded article from A. C.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from M. W.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> > Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> > Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
> >
> > The directive came from MEA.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from S. K.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> > > the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> > >
> > > With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> > > Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> > > expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> > >
> > > Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> > >
> > > But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
> > > the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> > > likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> > > India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> > > fo Pak players.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> > > > national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> > > > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> > > > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> > > >
> > > > - A news report in Times of India.
> > > >
> > > > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
> > > > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> > > > available widely on videos.
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > >>
> > > >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>
> > > >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> > > >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> > > >>
> > > >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> > > >>
> > > >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> > > >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> > > >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> > > >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
> > > >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
> > > >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> > > >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
> > > >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> > > >> take roots.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
> > > >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
> > > >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> > > >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
> > > >>
> > > >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> > > >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
> > > >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> > > >>
> > > >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >> Om Shanti
> > > >>
> > > >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > > >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > > >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> > > >>> Musharraf.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > > >>> reacting as anticipated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> > > >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > > >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time. Pakistan
> > > >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> > > >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > > >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > > >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk Hasina
> > > >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >>> Om Shanti
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > > >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> > > >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > > >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> > > >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of PPL.but
> > > >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > > >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country, for
> > > >>>> love of cricket or money.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > > >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > > >>>> security risks.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >>>> Om Shanti
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > > >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
> clientele.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > > >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > > >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect from
> > > >>>>> them two years back.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > > >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > > >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of
> KKR.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > > >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > > >>>>> Khan.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >>>>> Om Shanti
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private business
> > > >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL.
> > > > So
> > > >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and Pak
> > > >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > > >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the safety
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > > >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI would
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by
> > > > Pak
> > > >>>>>>> Govt.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> > > > their
> > > >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside
> > > > the
> > > >>>>>>> Country then.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to blame
> > > >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when Pak
> > > >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> > > > there
> > > >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and extending
> > > > all
> > > >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians to
> > > >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions
> > > > with
> > > >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s in
> > > >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and destroy
> > > >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely in
> > > >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > > > artists
> > > >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> > > >> improvement
> > > >>>>>>> of relations?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > > >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > > >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > > > pro-Pak
> > > >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> > > >> cricketers,
> > > >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> > > >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > > > Indian
> > > >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > > >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > > >>> hospitality
> > > >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> > > > fans
> > > >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> > > >>> Indo-Pak
> > > >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> > > >> Indian
> > > >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> > > >> Pakistan
> > > >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > > >>> terrorism
> > > >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> > > >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> > > >> point
> > > >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India
> > > > to
> > > >>> go
> > > >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> > > > ought
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > > > interested
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > > > majority,
> > > >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> > > > India
> > > >>> an
> > > >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> > > >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> > > > its
> > > >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
> > > >> IPL,
> > > >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > > > owners
> > > >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > > >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted
> > > > his
> > > >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> > > > Life
> > > >> is
> > > >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> > > > taken
> > > >>> on
> > > >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> > > >>>>>>>> state.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction
> > > > in
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> > > >> attach
> > > >>> a
> > > >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India.
> > > > In
> > > >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired
> > > > in
> > > >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > > >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
> > > >> when
> > > >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> > > >> 1970s.
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> > > >>> Iqbal
> > > >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> > > >>> Abbas
> > > >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
> > > >> That
> > > >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > > > cricket.
> > > >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > > > England
> > > >>> was
> > > >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > > >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
> > > >> 2000.
> > > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > > > entry),
> > > >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > > >>> represent
> > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> > > >> whether
> > > >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take
> > > > his
> > > >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > > > mutiny
> > > >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> > > > find
> > > >> it
> > > >>>>>>>> deserted."
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal)
> > > > who
> > > >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
> > > >> were
> > > >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> > > > have
> > > >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > > > earlier
> > > >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> > > >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > > >>> economics
> > > >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > > >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> > > >> anguish
> > > >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> > > > bias
> > > >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> > > > and,
> > > >>> by
> > > >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> > > >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL
> > > > is
> > > >> no
> > > >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When
> > > > the
> > > >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> > > >> Khan's
> > > >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> > > >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > > > immeasurable
> > > >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> > > >>> prickly
> > > >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
> > > >> sense
> > > >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> > > >>> bigoted
> > > >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency
> > > > in
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> > > >>> daily
> > > >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> > > > Many
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> > > > the
> > > >>> US.
> > > >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> > > >> cynical
> > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> > > >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> > > >> Pakistan
> > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> > > > Block
> > > >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> > > >>> twist.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
> > > >> India
> > > >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > > > ham-handed
> > > >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > > > responses
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> > > >> regulations
> > > >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> > > >> Jaipur
> > > >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> > > >> India
> > > >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than
> > > >>> make
> > > >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> > > >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
> > > >> had
> > > >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> > > >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
> > > >> have
> > > >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> > > >>> knee-
> > > >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would
> > > > be
> > > >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
> > > >> end.
> > > >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
> > > >> India
> > > >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > > >>> uncompromising
> > > >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> > > > with
> > > >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-f
> or-India.html
> > >>
> > > >>>>>>>> More at:
> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:14 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from D. G.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
Dear Friends,
Our respected Home minister has been talking to the congress media
like the NDTV and all upa chamcha stations by saying that the IPL
people have not respected the pak cricketers who are one of the best.
He says it is an injustice to the game of cricket! what nonsense, how
can the game of cricket be more important than how the people of
India feel about the folks from Pakistan? How about the sentiments of
the family killed in various pak sponsered terrorism in India? Now
every week we see the security forces fighting in wars in kashmir.
Indian FM makes tough statements and the PAK responds with total
disregard.
when did the Pak players have an absolute right to play in india?
we are better off with out having any sports links with enemy
countries!
Let the PAK players go and play in UK and make money. What if some
crazy terrorist attacks some buses, or hotels housing the cricketers?
IPL will go to dogs and the terrorism will win hands down. will
India have to ask permission from PAk for any major event In India.?
Well the common wealth games are coming. Let us see how mr MAC and
his team manage and protect all. There will be 100 plus pak
particcipants and thousands would be illegal immigarnts! for these
UPA guys, islam, muslims, pakistan and their vote bank politics are
all interlinked. they care a damn what happens to a country known as
hindustan or Bharat.
End of forwarded article from D. G.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from M. W.
>
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
> most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
> empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
> last days in office.
>
> India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
> ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
> product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
> profession.
>
> The only products that get past border security are e-content -
> movies and cricket matches.
>
> Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
> working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
> Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
> society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
> Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
>
> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from A. C.
> >
> > Monday, January 25, 2010
> >
> > V. K. raises an important issue.
> >
> > In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
> > justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
> > industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
> > the Indian films.
> >
> > At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
> > him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
> >
> > I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from A. C.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> > > Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> > > Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
> > >
> > > The directive came from MEA.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from S. K.
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> > > > the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> > > >
> > > > With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> > > > Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> > > > expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> > > >
> > > > Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> > > >
> > > > But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
> > > > the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> > > > likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> > > > India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> > > > fo Pak players.
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> > > > > national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> > > > > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> > > > > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> > > > >
> > > > > - A news report in Times of India.
> > > > >
> > > > > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan? I
> > > > > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> > > > > available widely on videos.
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > >
> > > > >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> > > > >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> > > > >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition took
> > > > >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to all
> > > > >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> > > > >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues of
> > > > >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> > > > >> take roots.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who wanted
> > > > >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they have
> > > > >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> > > > >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> > > > >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and terrorists
> > > > >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >> Om Shanti
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > > > >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > > > >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of dining
> > > > >>> Musharraf.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > > > >>> reacting as anticipated.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before the
> > > > >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > > > >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time.
> Pakistan
> > > > >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> > > > >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > > > >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > > > >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk
> Hasina
> > > > >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >>> Om Shanti
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > > > >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour and
> > > > >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > > > >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood Ibrahim
> > > > >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of
> PPL.but
> > > > >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > > > >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country,
> for
> > > > >>>> love of cricket or money.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > > > >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > > > >>>> security risks.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >>>> Om Shanti
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and are
> > > > >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
> > clientele.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > > > >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > > > >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect
> from
> > > > >>>>> them two years back.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > > >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > > >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > > > >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let the
> > > > >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of
> > KKR.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab Malik,
> > > > >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > > > >>>>> Khan.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > > >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private
> business
> > > > >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of IPL.
> > > > > So
> > > > >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > > >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and
> Pak
> > > > >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no serious
> > > > >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the
> safety
> > > > >> of
> > > > >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens in
> > > > >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI
> would
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed by
> > > > > Pak
> > > > >>>>>>> Govt.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> > > > > their
> > > > >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those outside
> > > > > the
> > > > >>>>>>> Country then.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to
> blame
> > > > >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when
> Pak
> > > > >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> > > > > there
> > > > >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and extending
> > > > > all
> > > > >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians
> to
> > > > >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > > >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min. discussions
> > > > > with
> > > > >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s
> in
> > > > >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and
> destroy
> > > > >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > > >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities freely
> in
> > > > >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > > > > artists
> > > > >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> > > > >> improvement
> > > > >>>>>>> of relations?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> > > > >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> > > > >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva
> movement
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > > > > pro-Pak
> > > > >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> > > > >> cricketers,
> > > > >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle
> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that
> Pakistan
> > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > > > > Indian
> > > > >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> > > > >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > > > >>> hospitality
> > > > >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> > > > > fans
> > > > >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> > > > >>> Indo-Pak
> > > > >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> > > > >> Indian
> > > > >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > > > >>> terrorism
> > > > >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India
> 'has
> > > > >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> > > > >> point
> > > > >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India
> > > > > to
> > > > >>> go
> > > > >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> > > > > ought
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > > > > interested
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > > > > majority,
> > > > >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> > > > > India
> > > > >>> an
> > > > >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> > > > >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> > > > > its
> > > > >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The
> > > > >> IPL,
> > > > >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > > > > owners
> > > > >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> > > > >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like
> a
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted
> > > > > his
> > > > >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> > > > > Life
> > > > >> is
> > > > >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> > > > > taken
> > > > >>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters
> of
> > > > >>>>>>>> state.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction
> > > > > in
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> > > > >> attach
> > > > >>> a
> > > > >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India.
> > > > > In
> > > > >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired
> > > > > in
> > > > >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> > > > >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride
> > > > >> when
> > > > >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> > > > >> 1970s.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif
> > > > >>> Iqbal
> > > > >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer
> > > > >>> Abbas
> > > > >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey.
> > > > >> That
> > > > >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > > > > cricket.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides
> in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > > > > England
> > > > >>> was
> > > > >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in
> > > > >> 2000.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a
> report
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > > > > entry),
> > > > >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > > > >>> represent
> > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> > > > >> whether
> > > > >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take
> > > > > his
> > > > >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > > > > mutiny
> > > > >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > > >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> > > > > find
> > > > >> it
> > > > >>>>>>>> deserted."
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal)
> > > > > who
> > > > >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They
> > > > >> were
> > > > >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> > > > > have
> > > > >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > > > > earlier
> > > > >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket.
> Today,
> > > > >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > > > >>> economics
> > > > >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> > > > >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> > > > >> anguish
> > > > >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> > > > > bias
> > > > >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> > > > > and,
> > > > >>> by
> > > > >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL
> is
> > > > >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL
> > > > > is
> > > > >> no
> > > > >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > > >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When
> > > > > the
> > > > >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> > > > >> Khan's
> > > > >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely
> attract
> > > > >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > > > > immeasurable
> > > > >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> > > > >>> prickly
> > > > >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent
> > > > >> sense
> > > > >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > > >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless
> spectacle
> > > > >> of
> > > > >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> > > > >>> bigoted
> > > > >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency
> > > > > in
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a
> > > > >>> daily
> > > > >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> > > > > Many
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> > > > > the
> > > > >>> US.
> > > > >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> > > > >> cynical
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to
> arouse
> > > > >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> > > > > Block
> > > > >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official
> > > > >>> twist.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in
> > > > >> India
> > > > >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > > > > ham-handed
> > > > >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > > > > responses
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> > > > >> regulations
> > > > >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> > > > >> Jaipur
> > > > >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> > > > >> India
> > > > >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather
> than
> > > > >>> make
> > > > >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa
> regime
> > > > >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US
> > > > >> had
> > > > >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we
> have
> > > > >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we
> > > > >> have
> > > > >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every
> > > > >>> knee-
> > > > >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would
> > > > > be
> > > > >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving
> > > > >> end.
> > > > >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will.
> > > > >> India
> > > > >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > > > >>> uncompromising
> > > > >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> > > > > with
> > > > >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> > > >>
> > > > >>>>>>>> More at:
> > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:17 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from D. S.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
how would it be in india's interest to promote papistani artistes
when we have millions of non working hindus artists right here?
there are plenty of jihadi artists working in indian movies thanks to
dawood bhaijaan and his funding
Feeding a snake with milk increases its venom, no nectar is
produced. - Chanakya
End of forwarded article from D. S.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from D. G.
>
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Our respected Home minister has been talking to the congress media
> like the NDTV and all upa chamcha stations by saying that the IPL
> people have not respected the pak cricketers who are one of the best.
> He says it is an injustice to the game of cricket! what nonsense, how
> can the game of cricket be more important than how the people of
> India feel about the folks from Pakistan? How about the sentiments of
> the family killed in various pak sponsered terrorism in India? Now
> every week we see the security forces fighting in wars in kashmir.
> Indian FM makes tough statements and the PAK responds with total
> disregard.
>
> when did the Pak players have an absolute right to play in india?
>
> we are better off with out having any sports links with enemy
> countries!
>
> Let the PAK players go and play in UK and make money. What if some
> crazy terrorist attacks some buses, or hotels housing the cricketers?
>
> IPL will go to dogs and the terrorism will win hands down. will
> India have to ask permission from PAk for any major event In India.?
>
> Well the common wealth games are coming. Let us see how mr MAC and
> his team manage and protect all. There will be 100 plus pak
> particcipants and thousands would be illegal immigarnts! for these
> UPA guys, islam, muslims, pakistan and their vote bank politics are
> all interlinked. they care a damn what happens to a country known as
> hindustan or Bharat.
>
> End of forwarded article from D. G.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from M. W.
> >
> > Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >
> > Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
> > most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
> > empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
> > last days in office.
> >
> > India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
> > ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
> > product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
> > profession.
> >
> > The only products that get past border security are e-content -
> > movies and cricket matches.
> >
> > Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
> > working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
> > Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
> > society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
> > Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
> >
> > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from A. C.
> > >
> > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > >
> > > V. K. raises an important issue.
> > >
> > > In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
> > > justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
> > > industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
> > > the Indian films.
> > >
> > > At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
> > > him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
> > >
> > > I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from A. C.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> > > > Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> > > > Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
> > > >
> > > > The directive came from MEA.
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from S. K.
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> > > > > the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> > > > > Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> > > > > expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> > > > >
> > > > > Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security of
> > > > > the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> > > > > likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> > > > > India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> > > > > fo Pak players.
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > >
> > > > > > Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and the
> > > > > > national association of film producers seeking their response to a
> > > > > > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to protest
> > > > > > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - A news report in Times of India.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in Pakistan?
> I
> > > > > > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they were
> > > > > > available widely on videos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> > > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> > > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time ago.
> > > > > >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before partition
> > > > > >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition
> took
> > > > > >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to
> all
> > > > > >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres in
> > > > > >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The issues
> of
> > > > > >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed to
> > > > > >> take roots.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who
> wanted
> > > > > >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they
> have
> > > > > >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> > > > > >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in Pakistan.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> > > > > >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and
> terrorists
> > > > > >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >> Om Shanti
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > > > > >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > > > > >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of
> dining
> > > > > >>> Musharraf.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > > > > >>> reacting as anticipated.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before
> the
> > > > > >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > > > > >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time.
> > Pakistan
> > > > > >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China. But
> > > > > >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > > > > >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > > > > >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk
> > Hasina
> > > > > >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >>> Om Shanti
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very professional
> > > > > >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour
> and
> > > > > >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to a
> > > > > >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood
> Ibrahim
> > > > > >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of
> > PPL.but
> > > > > >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the international
> > > > > >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country,
> > for
> > > > > >>>> love of cricket or money.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > > > > >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > > > > >>>> security risks.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and
> are
> > > > > >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
> > > clientele.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning the
> > > > > >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement but
> > > > > >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would expect
> > from
> > > > > >>>>> them two years back.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > > > >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > > > >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It will
> > > > > >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let
> the
> > > > > >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach of
> > > KKR.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab
> Malik,
> > > > > >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and Younus
> > > > > >>>>> Khan.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec, Hindu
> > > > > >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private
> > business
> > > > > >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of
> IPL.
> > > > > > So
> > > > > >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view of
> > > > > >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11 and
> > Pak
> > > > > >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no
> serious
> > > > > >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the
> > safety
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore, happens
> in
> > > > > >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI
> > would
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and blamed
> by
> > > > > > Pak
> > > > > >>>>>>> Govt.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI favoured
> > > > > > their
> > > > > >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those
> outside
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>>> Country then.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to
> > blame
> > > > > >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated, when
> > Pak
> > > > > >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's presence
> > > > > > there
> > > > > >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and
> extending
> > > > > > all
> > > > > >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect Indians
> > to
> > > > > >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that Mussarraf
> > > > > >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min.
> discussions
> > > > > > with
> > > > > >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the belle-s
> > in
> > > > > >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and
> > destroy
> > > > > >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though several
> > > > > >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities
> freely
> > in
> > > > > >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > > > > > artists
> > > > > >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> > > > > >> improvement
> > > > > >>>>>>> of relations?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for
> kind
> > > > > >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday
> Pioneer,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva
> > movement
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > > > > > pro-Pak
> > > > > >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> > > > > >> cricketers,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle
> > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that
> > Pakistan
> > > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > > > > > Indian
> > > > > >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of
> his
> > > > > >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > > > > >>> hospitality
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian
> > > > > > fans
> > > > > >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve
> > > > > >>> Indo-Pak
> > > > > >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to
> > > > > >> Indian
> > > > > >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> > > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > > >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > > > > >>> terrorism
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India
> > 'has
> > > > > >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a
> > > > > >> point
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for
> India
> > > > > > to
> > > > > >>> go
> > > > > >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We
> > > > > > ought
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > > > > > interested
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > > > > > majority,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu
> > > > > > India
> > > > > >>> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > > >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of
> > > > > > its
> > > > > >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant.
> The
> > > > > >> IPL,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > > > > > owners
> > > > > >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to
> involve
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a
> calculated
> > > > > >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit
> like
> > a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has
> insulted
> > > > > > his
> > > > > >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster.
> > > > > > Life
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often
> > > > > > taken
> > > > > >>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters
> > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>> state.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the
> reaction
> > > > > > in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis
> > > > > >> attach
> > > > > >>> a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in
> India.
> > > > > > In
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country,
> mired
> > > > > > in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in
> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national
> pride
> > > > > >> when
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the
> > > > > >> 1970s.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing
> Asif
> > > > > >>> Iqbal
> > > > > >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan,
> Zaheer
> > > > > >>> Abbas
> > > > > >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up
> Surrey.
> > > > > >> That
> > > > > >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > > > > > cricket.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides
> > in
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > > > > > England
> > > > > >>> was
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something
> went
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire
> in
> > > > > >> 2000.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a
> > report
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > > > > > entry),
> > > > > >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > > > > >>> represent
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain
> > > > > >> whether
> > > > > >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to
> take
> > > > > > his
> > > > > >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > > > > > mutiny
> > > > > >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> > > > > >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to
> > > > > > find
> > > > > >> it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> deserted."
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in
> Bengal)
> > > > > > who
> > > > > >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism.
> They
> > > > > >> were
> > > > > >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who
> > > > > > have
> > > > > >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > > > > > earlier
> > > > > >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket.
> > Today,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > > > > >>> economics
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in
> Indian
> > > > > >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the
> > > > > >> anguish
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of
> > > > > > bias
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket
> > > > > > and,
> > > > > >>> by
> > > > > >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL
> > is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not,
> IPL
> > > > > > is
> > > > > >> no
> > > > > >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> > > > > >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India.
> When
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh
> > > > > >> Khan's
> > > > > >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely
> > attract
> > > > > >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > > > > > immeasurable
> > > > > >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather
> > > > > >>> prickly
> > > > > >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made
> eminent
> > > > > >> sense
> > > > > >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> > > > > >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless
> > spectacle
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national
> affront.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the
> > > > > >>> bigoted
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a
> tendency
> > > > > > in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes
> a
> > > > > >>> daily
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India.
> > > > > > Many
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >>> US.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> > > > > >> cynical
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to
> > arouse
> > > > > >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> > > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South
> > > > > > Block
> > > > > >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an
> official
> > > > > >>> twist.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation
> in
> > > > > >> India
> > > > > >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > > > > > ham-handed
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > > > > > responses
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> > > > > >> regulations
> > > > > >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the
> > > > > >> Jaipur
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into
> > > > > >> India
> > > > > >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather
> > than
> > > > > >>> make
> > > > > >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa
> > regime
> > > > > >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the
> US
> > > > > >> had
> > > > > >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we
> > have
> > > > > >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would
> we
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that
> every
> > > > > >>> knee-
> > > > > >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it
> would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the
> receiving
> > > > > >> end.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good
> will.
> > > > > >> India
> > > > > >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > > > > >>> uncompromising
> > > > > >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed
> > > > > > with
> > > > > >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> >
> > > > > >>>>>>>> More at:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:20 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from S. K.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
it is under this home minister that for the first time in the history
of india, republic day flag hoisting was not held at lal chowk in
shrinagar in kashmir, wilting to the threats of terrorists holed up
somewhere nearby!!
instead of ensuring the sovereignty of the country by getting the
flag hoisted at lal chowk, home minister is busy appeasing muslims
and pakistani-s on such insignifica matters of governance of the
country!!
has the upa-ii/ goi yielded to the terrorists agains as in 1990?
End of forwarded article from S. K.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from D. S.
>
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> how would it be in india's interest to promote papistani artistes
> when we have millions of non working hindus artists right here?
>
> there are plenty of jihadi artists working in indian movies thanks to
> dawood bhaijaan and his funding
>
> Feeding a snake with milk increases its venom, no nectar is
> produced. - Chanakya
>
> End of forwarded article from D. S.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> > Forwarded message from D. G.
> >
> > Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > Our respected Home minister has been talking to the congress media
> > like the NDTV and all upa chamcha stations by saying that the IPL
> > people have not respected the pak cricketers who are one of the best.
> > He says it is an injustice to the game of cricket! what nonsense, how
> > can the game of cricket be more important than how the people of
> > India feel about the folks from Pakistan? How about the sentiments of
> > the family killed in various pak sponsered terrorism in India? Now
> > every week we see the security forces fighting in wars in kashmir.
> > Indian FM makes tough statements and the PAK responds with total
> > disregard.
> >
> > when did the Pak players have an absolute right to play in india?
> >
> > we are better off with out having any sports links with enemy
> > countries!
> >
> > Let the PAK players go and play in UK and make money. What if some
> > crazy terrorist attacks some buses, or hotels housing the cricketers?
> >
> > IPL will go to dogs and the terrorism will win hands down. will
> > India have to ask permission from PAk for any major event In India.?
> >
> > Well the common wealth games are coming. Let us see how mr MAC and
> > his team manage and protect all. There will be 100 plus pak
> > particcipants and thousands would be illegal immigarnts! for these
> > UPA guys, islam, muslims, pakistan and their vote bank politics are
> > all interlinked. they care a damn what happens to a country known as
> > hindustan or Bharat.
> >
> > End of forwarded article from D. G.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > >
> > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> > >
> > > Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
> > > most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
> > > empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
> > > last days in office.
> > >
> > > India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
> > > ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
> > > product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
> > > profession.
> > >
> > > The only products that get past border security are e-content -
> > > movies and cricket matches.
> > >
> > > Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
> > > working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
> > > Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
> > > society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
> > > Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
> > >
> > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > > Forwarded message from A. C.
> > > >
> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > >
> > > > V. K. raises an important issue.
> > > >
> > > > In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
> > > > justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
> > > > industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
> > > > the Indian films.
> > > >
> > > > At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
> > > > him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
> > > >
> > > > I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > End of forwarded article from A. C.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > > Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > >
> > > > > There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> > > > > Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> > > > > Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
> > > > >
> > > > > The directive came from MEA.
> > > > >
> > > > > End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > >
> > > > > > Forwarded message from S. K.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> > > > > > the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the State
> > > > > > Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> > > > > > expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security
> of
> > > > > > the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> > > > > > likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban in
> > > > > > India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to bid
> > > > > > fo Pak players.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and
> the
> > > > > > > national association of film producers seeking their response to
> a
> > > > > > > petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to
> protest
> > > > > > > the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - A news report in Times of India.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in
> Pakistan?
> > I
> > > > > > > know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they
> were
> > > > > > > available widely on videos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Forwarded message from V. K.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> > > > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> > > > > > >> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time
> ago.
> > > > > > >> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before
> partition
> > > > > > >> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition
> > took
> > > > > > >> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals to
> > all
> > > > > > >> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the massacres
> in
> > > > > > >> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The
> issues
> > of
> > > > > > >> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been allowed
> to
> > > > > > >> take roots.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who
> > wanted
> > > > > > >> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do they
> > have
> > > > > > >> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> > > > > > >> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in
> Pakistan.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What they
> > > > > > >> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and
> > terrorists
> > > > > > >> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >> Om Shanti
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> > > > > > >>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban were
> > > > > > >>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of
> > dining
> > > > > > >>> Musharraf.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they are
> > > > > > >>> reacting as anticipated.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month before
> > the
> > > > > > >>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> > > > > > >>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time.
> > > Pakistan
> > > > > > >>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China.
> But
> > > > > > >>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> > > > > > >>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on stability.
> > > > > > >>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk
> > > Hasina
> > > > > > >>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >>> Om Shanti
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very
> professional
> > > > > > >>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the glamour
> > and
> > > > > > >>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong to
> a
> > > > > > >>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood
> > Ibrahim
> > > > > > >>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of
> > > PPL.but
> > > > > > >>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the
> international
> > > > > > >>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their country,
>
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>> love of cricket or money.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and not
> > > > > > >>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks associated
> > > > > > >>>> security risks.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL and
> > are
> > > > > > >>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
> > > > clientele.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning
> the
> > > > > > >>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement
> but
> > > > > > >>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would
> expect
> > > from
> > > > > > >>>>> them two years back.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and the
> > > > > > >>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their IPL
> > > > > > >>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It
> will
> > > > > > >>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and let
> > the
> > > > > > >>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling coach
> of
> > > > KKR.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab
> > Malik,
> > > > > > >>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and
> Younus
> > > > > > >>>>> Khan.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec,
> Hindu
> > > > > > >>>>>> bashing sickos?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private
> > > business
> > > > > > >>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions of
> > IPL.
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > >>>>>>> much for GOI.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in view
> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11
> and
> > > Pak
> > > > > > >>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no
> > serious
> > > > > > >>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend the
> > > safety
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore,
> happens
> > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but GOI
> > > would
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and
> blamed
> > by
> > > > > > > Pak
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Govt.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI
> favoured
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > >>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those
> > outside
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Country then.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations to
> > > blame
> > > > > > >>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated,
> when
> > > Pak
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's
> presence
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > >>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and
> > extending
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > >>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect
> Indians
> > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that
> Mussarraf
> > > > > > >>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min.
> > discussions
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the
> belle-s
> > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and
> > > destroy
> > > > > > >>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though
> several
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities
> > freely
> > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians and
> > > > > > > artists
> > > > > > >>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> > > > > > >> improvement
> > > > > > >>>>>>> of relations?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for
> > kind
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday
> > Pioneer,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva
> > > movement
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the
> > > > > > > pro-Pak
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> > > > > > >> cricketers,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient
> handle
> > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that
> > > Pakistan
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the
> > > > > > > Indian
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of
> > his
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> changed perception.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> > > > > > >>> hospitality
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and
> Indian
> > > > > > > fans
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to
> improve
> > > > > > >>> Indo-Pak
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility
> to
> > > > > > >> Indian
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that
> > > > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and
> > > > > > >>> terrorism
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India
> > > 'has
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is
> a
> > > > > > >> point
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for
> > India
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >>> go
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel.
> We
> > > > > > > ought
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> > > > > > > interested
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> > > > > > > majority,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making
> Hindu
> > > > > > > India
> > > > > > >>> an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any
> of
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant.
> > The
> > > > > > >> IPL,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team
> > > > > > > owners
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to
> > involve
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a
> > calculated
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit
> > like
> > > a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has
> > insulted
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next
> blockbuster.
> > > > > > > Life
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are
> often
> > > > > > > taken
> > > > > > >>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty
> matters
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> state.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the
> > reaction
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that
> Pakistanis
> > > > > > >> attach
> > > > > > >>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in
> > India.
> > > > > > > In
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country,
> > mired
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in
> > an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national
> > pride
> > > > > > >> when
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in
> the
> > > > > > >> 1970s.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing
> > Asif
> > > > > > >>> Iqbal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan,
> > Zaheer
> > > > > > >>> Abbas
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up
> > Surrey.
> > > > > > >> That
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> > > > > > > cricket.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club
> sides
> > > in
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> > > > > > > England
> > > > > > >>> was
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something
> > went
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire
> > in
> > > > > > >> 2000.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a
> > > report
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia
> > > > > > > entry),
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to
> > > > > > >>> represent
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes
> uncertain
> > > > > > >> whether
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to
> > take
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But
> > > > > > > mutiny
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly,
> after
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only
> to
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> deserted."
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in
> > Bengal)
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism.
> > They
> > > > > > >> were
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples
> who
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an
> > > > > > > earlier
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket.
> > > Today,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the
> > > > > > >>> economics
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in
> > Indian
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally,
> the
> > > > > > >> anguish
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations
> of
> > > > > > > bias
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian
> cricket
> > > > > > > and,
> > > > > > >>> by
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the
> IPL
> > > is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not,
> > IPL
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > >> no
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit
> Modi's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India.
> > When
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah
> Rukh
> > > > > > >> Khan's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely
> > > attract
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> > > > > > > immeasurable
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be
> rather
> > > > > > >>> prickly
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made
> > eminent
> > > > > > >> sense
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few
> Pakistani
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless
> > > spectacle
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national
> > affront.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis;
> the
> > > > > > >>> bigoted
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a
> > tendency
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which
> includes
> > a
> > > > > > >>> daily
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of
> India.
> > > > > > > Many
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels
> for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >>> US.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a
> > > > > > >> cynical
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to
> > > arouse
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that
> > > > > > >> Pakistan
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted,
> South
> > > > > > > Block
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an
> > official
> > > > > > >>> twist.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation
> > in
> > > > > > >> India
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> > > > > > > ham-handed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> > > > > > > responses
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> > > > > > >> regulations
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to
> the
> > > > > > >> Jaipur
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries
> into
> > > > > > >> India
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather
> > > than
> > > > > > >>> make
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa
> > > regime
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or
> the
> > US
> > > > > > >> had
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we
> > > have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would
> > we
> > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that
> > every
> > > > > > >>> knee-
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it
> > would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the
> > receiving
> > > > > > >> end.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good
> > will.
> > > > > > >> India
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> > > > > > >>> uncompromising
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is
> blessed
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
> > >
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> More at:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:25 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from M. W.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
Pakistan is a big market.
Today IPL is tying up with Google to telecast live all over. No
state/Doordarshan control.
Tomorrow the same will happen with movies.
Banning Pak players do not make any economic sense for IPL. They did
it under directives from MEA.
If the superstars of Pak moviedom migrate to India, there won't be
any Pak moviedom and a bger client base for Indian movies/ songs. If
moviestars are other Pak role models speak positively on India, RAW
can focus on other mission critical initiatives.
End of forwarded article from M. W.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Forwarded message from S. K.
>
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> it is under this home minister that for the first time in the history
> of india, republic day flag hoisting was not held at lal chowk in
> shrinagar in kashmir, wilting to the threats of terrorists holed up
> somewhere nearby!!
>
> instead of ensuring the sovereignty of the country by getting the
> flag hoisted at lal chowk, home minister is busy appeasing muslims
> and pakistani-s on such insignifica matters of governance of the
> country!!
>
> has the upa-ii/ goi yielded to the terrorists agains as in 1990?
>
> End of forwarded article from S. K.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
>> Forwarded message from D. S.
>>
>> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>>
>> how would it be in india's interest to promote papistani artistes
>> when we have millions of non working hindus artists right here?
>>
>> there are plenty of jihadi artists working in indian movies thanks to
>> dawood bhaijaan and his funding
>>
>> Feeding a snake with milk increases its venom, no nectar is
>> produced. - Chanakya
>>
>> End of forwarded article from D. S.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> Forwarded message from D. G.
>>>
>>> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Our respected Home minister has been talking to the congress media
>>> like the NDTV and all upa chamcha stations by saying that the IPL
>>> people have not respected the pak cricketers who are one of the best.
>>> He says it is an injustice to the game of cricket! what nonsense, how
>>> can the game of cricket be more important than how the people of
>>> India feel about the folks from Pakistan? How about the sentiments of
>>> the family killed in various pak sponsered terrorism in India? Now
>>> every week we see the security forces fighting in wars in kashmir.
>>> Indian FM makes tough statements and the PAK responds with total
>>> disregard.
>>>
>>> when did the Pak players have an absolute right to play in india?
>>>
>>> we are better off with out having any sports links with enemy
>>> countries!
>>>
>>> Let the PAK players go and play in UK and make money. What if some
>>> crazy terrorist attacks some buses, or hotels housing the cricketers?
>>>
>>> IPL will go to dogs and the terrorism will win hands down. will
>>> India have to ask permission from PAk for any major event In India.?
>>>
>>> Well the common wealth games are coming. Let us see how mr MAC and
>>> his team manage and protect all. There will be 100 plus pak
>>> particcipants and thousands would be illegal immigarnts! for these
>>> UPA guys, islam, muslims, pakistan and their vote bank politics are
>>> all interlinked. they care a damn what happens to a country known as
>>> hindustan or Bharat.
>>>
>>> End of forwarded article from D. G.
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>> Om Shanti
>>>
>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>>
>>>> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>>>>
>>>> Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
>>>> most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
>>>> empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
>>>> last days in office.
>>>>
>>>> India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
>>>> ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
>>>> product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
>>>> profession.
>>>>
>>>> The only products that get past border security are e-content -
>>>> movies and cricket matches.
>>>>
>>>> Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
>>>> working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
>>>> Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
>>>> society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
>>>> Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
>>>>
>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>>
>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>
>>>>> Forwarded message from A. C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> V. K. raises an important issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
>>>>> justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
>>>>> industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
>>>>> the Indian films.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
>>>>> him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> End of forwarded article from A. C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
>>>>>> Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
>>>>>> Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The directive came from MEA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. K.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
>>>>>>> the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the
> State
>>>>>>> Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
>>>>>>> expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security
>> of
>>>>>>> the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
>>>>>>> likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban
> in
>>>>>>> India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to
> bid
>>>>>>> fo Pak players.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. K.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from V. K.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and
>> the
>>>>>>>> national association of film producers seeking their response
> to
>> a
>>>>>>>> petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to
>> protest
>>>>>>>> the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - A news report in Times of India.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in
>> Pakistan?
>>> I
>>>>>>>> know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they
>> were
>>>>>>>> available widely on videos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from V. K.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from V. K.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan players from IPL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time
>> ago.
>>>>>>>>> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before
>> partition
>>>>>>>>> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition
>>> took
>>>>>>>>> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals
> to
>>> all
>>>>>>>>> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the
> massacres
>> in
>>>>>>>>> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The
>> issues
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been
> allowed
>> to
>>>>>>>>> take roots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who
>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do
> they
>>> have
>>>>>>>>> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
>>>>>>>>> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in
>> Pakistan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What
> they
>>>>>>>>> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and
>>> terrorists
>>>>>>>>> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from V. K.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
>>>>>>>>>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban
> were
>>>>>>>>>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of
>>> dining
>>>>>>>>>> Musharraf.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they
> are
>>>>>>>>>> reacting as anticipated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month
> before
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
>>>>>>>>>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time.
>>>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China.
>> But
>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
>>>>>>>>>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on
> stability.
>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk
>>>> Hasina
>>>>>>>>>> took power and visited New Delhi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pak needs to wait longer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very
>> professional
>>>>>>>>>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the
> glamour
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong
> to
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood
>>> Ibrahim
>>>>>>>>>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of
>>>> PPL.but
>>>>>>>>>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the
>> international
>>>>>>>>>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their
> country,
>>
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> love of cricket or money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and
> not
>>>>>>>>>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks
> associated
>>>>>>>>>>> security risks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL
> and
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
>>>>> clientele.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement
>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would
>> expect
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> them two years back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and
> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their
> IPL
>>>>>>>>>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It
>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and
> let
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling
> coach
>> of
>>>>> KKR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab
>>> Malik,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and
>> Younus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Khan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec,
>> Hindu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing sickos?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private
>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions
> of
>>> IPL.
>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much for GOI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in
> view
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11
>> and
>>>> Pak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no
>>> serious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend
> the
>>>> safety
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore,
>> happens
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but
> GOI
>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and
>> blamed
>>> by
>>>>>>>> Pak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Govt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI
>> favoured
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those
>>> outside
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Country then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations
> to
>>>> blame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated,
>> when
>>>> Pak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's
>> presence
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and
>>> extending
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect
>> Indians
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that
>> Mussarraf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min.
>>> discussions
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the
>> belle-s
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and
>>>> destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though
>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities
>>> freely
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians
> and
>>>>>>>> artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
>>>>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of relations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for
>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's
> article,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday
>>> Pioneer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva
>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into
> the
>>>>>>>> pro-Pak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
>>>>>>>>> cricketers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient
>> handle
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that
>>>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted,
> the
>>>>>>>> Indian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative
> of
>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed perception.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
>>>>>>>>>> hospitality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and
>> Indian
>>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to
>> improve
>>>>>>>>>> Indo-Pak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility
>> to
>>>>>>>>> Indian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well
> that
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred
> and
>>>>>>>>>> terrorism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That
> India
>>>> 'has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India
> is
>> a
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for
>>> India
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel.
>> We
>>>>>>>> ought
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
>>>>>>>> majority,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making
>> Hindu
>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Islamic State.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Pioneer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of
> any
>> of
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly
> petulant.
>>> The
>>>>>>>>> IPL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if
> team
>>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to
>>> involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a
>>> calculated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit
>>> like
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has
>>> insulted
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next
>> blockbuster.
>>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are
>> often
>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty
>> matters
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the
>>> reaction
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that
>> Pakistanis
>>>>>>>>> attach
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in
>>> India.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country,
>>> mired
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth
> in
>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national
>>> pride
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in
>> the
>>>>>>>>> 1970s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride
> seeing
>>> Asif
>>>>>>>>>> Iqbal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan,
>>> Zaheer
>>>>>>>>>> Abbas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up
>>> Surrey.
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
>>>>>>>> cricket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club
>> sides
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
>>>>>>>> England
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if
> something
>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for
> Lancashire
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 2000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a
>>>> report
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's
> Wikipedia
>>>>>>>> entry),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned
> to
>>>>>>>>>> represent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes
>> uncertain
>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to
>>> take
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag.
> But
>>>>>>>> mutiny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly,
>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only
>> to
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deserted."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in
>>> Bengal)
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism.
>>> They
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples
>> who
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of
> an
>>>>>>>> earlier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket.
>>>> Today,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls
> the
>>>>>>>>>> economics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in
>>> Indian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally,
>> the
>>>>>>>>> anguish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate
> accusations
>> of
>>>>>>>> bias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian
>> cricket
>>>>>>>> and,
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the
>> IPL
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or
> not,
>>> IPL
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit
>> Modi's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India.
>>> When
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah
>> Rukh
>>>>>>>>> Khan's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely
>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
>>>>>>>> immeasurable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be
>> rather
>>>>>>>>>> prickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made
>>> eminent
>>>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few
>> Pakistani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless
>>>> spectacle
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national
>>> affront.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis;
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> bigoted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a
>>> tendency
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which
>> includes
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of
>> India.
>>>>>>>> Many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels
>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given
> a
>>>>>>>>> cynical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to
>>>> arouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting
> that
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted,
>> South
>>>>>>>> Block
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an
>>> official
>>>>>>>>>> twist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient
> realisation
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
>>>>>>>> ham-handed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
>>>>>>>> responses
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
>>>>>>>>> regulations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to
>> the
>>>>>>>>> Jaipur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries
>> into
>>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss,
> rather
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa
>>>> regime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or
>> the
>>> US
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would
> we
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or
> would
>>> we
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that
>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> knee-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it
>>> would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the
>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>> end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good
>>> will.
>>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
>>>>>>>>>> uncompromising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is
>> blessed
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
>>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:55 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from D. S.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
very short sighted point of view
the goal should be to keep out jihadis from anything with the label
indian
indian culture was not created by jihadis
in fact for the last 1400 years t hey have tried to wipe it off the
map of the world
hindu culture should be controlled by hindus at all t ime so that
jihadis do not end up potraying hindu women as prostitutes whose goal
is to entertain jihadi men
thinking like rana pratap will not make us victorius
jihadis are good at doing just one thing - jihad
let them keep doing that
there is no need for garbage jihadis like AR Rahman to take credit
for hindu music and pretend it is the contribution of jihadis
Feeding a snake with milk increases its venom, no nectar is
produced. - Chanakya
End of forwarded article from D. S.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Forwarded message from M. W.
>
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> Pakistan is a big market.
>
> Today IPL is tying up with Google to telecast live all over. No
> state/Doordarshan control.
>
> Tomorrow the same will happen with movies.
>
> Banning Pak players do not make any economic sense for IPL. They did
> it under directives from MEA.
>
> If the superstars of Pak moviedom migrate to India, there won't be
> any Pak moviedom and a bger client base for Indian movies/ songs. If
> moviestars are other Pak role models speak positively on India, RAW
> can focus on other mission critical initiatives.
>
> End of forwarded article from M. W.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>
> > Forwarded message from S. K.
> >
> > Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >
> > it is under this home minister that for the first time in the history
> > of india, republic day flag hoisting was not held at lal chowk in
> > shrinagar in kashmir, wilting to the threats of terrorists holed up
> > somewhere nearby!!
> >
> > instead of ensuring the sovereignty of the country by getting the
> > flag hoisted at lal chowk, home minister is busy appeasing muslims
> > and pakistani-s on such insignifica matters of governance of the
> > country!!
> >
> > has the upa-ii/ goi yielded to the terrorists agains as in 1990?
> >
> > End of forwarded article from S. K.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> Forwarded message from D. S.
> >>
> >> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >>
> >> how would it be in india's interest to promote papistani artistes
> >> when we have millions of non working hindus artists right here?
> >>
> >> there are plenty of jihadi artists working in indian movies thanks to
> >> dawood bhaijaan and his funding
> >>
> >> Feeding a snake with milk increases its venom, no nectar is
> >> produced. - Chanakya
> >>
> >> End of forwarded article from D. S.
> >>
> >> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> Om Shanti
> >>
> >>> Forwarded message from D. G.
> >>>
> >>> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >>>
> >>> Dear Friends,
> >>>
> >>> Our respected Home minister has been talking to the congress media
> >>> like the NDTV and all upa chamcha stations by saying that the IPL
> >>> people have not respected the pak cricketers who are one of the best.
> >>> He says it is an injustice to the game of cricket! what nonsense, how
> >>> can the game of cricket be more important than how the people of
> >>> India feel about the folks from Pakistan? How about the sentiments of
> >>> the family killed in various pak sponsered terrorism in India? Now
> >>> every week we see the security forces fighting in wars in kashmir.
> >>> Indian FM makes tough statements and the PAK responds with total
> >>> disregard.
> >>>
> >>> when did the Pak players have an absolute right to play in india?
> >>>
> >>> we are better off with out having any sports links with enemy
> >>> countries!
> >>>
> >>> Let the PAK players go and play in UK and make money. What if some
> >>> crazy terrorist attacks some buses, or hotels housing the cricketers?
> >>>
> >>> IPL will go to dogs and the terrorism will win hands down. will
> >>> India have to ask permission from PAk for any major event In India.?
> >>>
> >>> Well the common wealth games are coming. Let us see how mr MAC and
> >>> his team manage and protect all. There will be 100 plus pak
> >>> particcipants and thousands would be illegal immigarnts! for these
> >>> UPA guys, islam, muslims, pakistan and their vote bank politics are
> >>> all interlinked. they care a damn what happens to a country known as
> >>> hindustan or Bharat.
> >>>
> >>> End of forwarded article from D. G.
> >>>
> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>> Om Shanti
> >>>
> >>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
> >>>>
> >>>> Pakistani theatre owners lobbied for a lifting of the ban, because
> >>>> most people watch pirated Indian videos at home and the theatres go
> >>>> empty. A few Indian movies were granted permission during Musharraf's
> >>>> last days in office.
> >>>>
> >>>> India is too big a market and too good a brand for Pakistanis to
> >>>> ignore. By the law of market forces they would be consumuing the best
> >>>> product in the neighbourhood and working in the best paying
> >>>> profession.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only products that get past border security are e-content -
> >>>> movies and cricket matches.
> >>>>
> >>>> Its in Indian interest to get more Paksitani players and movies stars
> >>>> working in India. In the short term, it will invoke an interest in
> >>>> Indian product lines. In the long term, the role models of Pakistani
> >>>> society will make themselves marketable by speaking good about India.
> >>>> Isn't that what the trackII diplomats want?
> >>>>
> >>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>
> >>>>> Forwarded message from A. C.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>
> >>>>> V. K. raises an important issue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a programme "Hard Talk" (BBC, July 28, 1999), Dilip Kumar
> >>>>> justified the ban of Hindi films in Pakistan on the grounds that the
> >>>>> industry in that country needs time to come up to the standards of
> >>>>> the Indian films.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the same time he claims that the highest civilian award given to
> >>>>> him by the Pakistan government was for his artistic capability.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not think the ban has been lifted, to the best of my knowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> End of forwarded article from A. C.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There were specific bids on Abdur Razzak, Kamran Akhmal and Shahid
> >>>>>> Afridi from the franchisees. There were replaced by Shane Bond, Md.
> >>>>>> Kaif and Damyn Martin at the last minute.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The directive came from MEA.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. K.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <<<<< The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not
> >>>>>>> the IPL organizers / franchisee) >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With the Cengress ruling in Rajsthan and defeating Mody in the
> > State
> >>>>>>> Cricket Board by fielding a Congress Minister against him, do you
> >>>>>>> expect the Congress led UPA Govt. could make Mody toe their line?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Still the undercurrents cannot be ruled out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But the bidders have clearly stated that apprehensions of security
> >> of
> >>>>>>> the Pak. players in the light of Bus bombing of Srilanka team and
> >>>>>>> likely repetition of the same by sleeper cells of LeT and Taliban
> > in
> >>>>>>> India, has been the main factor influencing such decision not to
> > bid
> >>>>>>> fo Pak players.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. K.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Forwarded message from V. K.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "A Pakistani court served notices on the federal government and
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> national association of film producers seeking their response
> > to
> >> a
> >>>>>>>> petition seeking a ban on the exhibition of Indian films to
> >> protest
> >>>>>>>> the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from the IPL."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - A news report in Times of India.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When did Pakistan remove ban in screening Indian films in
> >> Pakistan?
> >>> I
> >>>>>>>> know for along time Indian Films were banned there though they
> >> were
> >>>>>>>> available widely on videos.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from V. K.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I could not believe Indians have matured so much as to exclude
> >>>>>>>>> Pakistan players from IPL.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Like they say "der ast, durust ast".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is no need for anyone to shed tears for the exclusion of
> >>>>>>>>> Pakistan players from IPL. It should have been done long time
> >> ago.
> >>>>>>>>> India has been victim of Pak terrorism since even before
> >> partition
> >>>>>>>>> took place. The first act of terrorism in the name of partition
> >>> took
> >>>>>>>>> place in Calcutta in 1946. That should have sent alarm signals
> > to
> >>> all
> >>>>>>>>> right thinking Hindus. IF that was not enough then the
> > massacres
> >> in
> >>>>>>>>> Punjab and Sindh should have sealed the public opinion. The
> >> issues
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>>> kashmir and present day terrorism should have never been
> > allowed
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> take roots.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hindus in India don't owe anything to Pakistan. It is they who
> >>> wanted
> >>>>>>>>> a separate nation -- they got what they wanted. Now what do
> > they
> >>> have
> >>>>>>>>> to do with India. While they are crying over exclusion of their
> >>>>>>>>> players, even today Indian films are officially banned in
> >> Pakistan.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why is Indian media shedding tears over this episode? What
> > they
> >>>>>>>>> should be discussing is Pakistan's duplicity.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Pakistan can keep its players, singers, poets, writers and
> >>> terrorists
> >>>>>>>>> within its borders -- India will be fine without them.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from V. K.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The decision to bar Pak players came from GOI (and not the IPL
> >>>>>>>>>> organizers / franchisee) The primary beneficiary of the ban
> > were
> >>>>>>>>>> players like Md Kaif and Damyn Martin.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This is a little detour in Indian diplomacy from the days of
> >>> dining
> >>>>>>>>>> Musharraf.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously Pakistan is in sticky wicket now than before, they
> > are
> >>>>>>>>>> reacting as anticipated.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> GOI and the Pak board cleared the visit more than a month
> > before
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> auction. Something happened between then and the auction date.
> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary Gates visited India and Pakistan during that time.
> >>>> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>>>> lost a bit of leverage vs US while India gained some vs China.
> >> But
> >>>>>>>>>> Pakistan fought India out of multinational (Pak, Iran, Turkey,
> >>>>>>>>>> Central Asian republics) forums on Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> India can't fight Pakistan on Islam but can do so on
> > stability.
> >>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh's economy & stock markets are set to boom, after Sk
> >>>> Hasina
> >>>>>>>>>> took power and visited New Delhi.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Pak needs to wait longer.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from D. T.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think the Pakistani players who are no doubt very
> >> professional
> >>>>>>>>>>> players, are kicking themselves for missing out all the
> > glamour
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> big money of the IPL for the simple reason that they belong
> > to
> >> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> country that represents a criminal culture. Not only Dawood
> >>> Ibrahim
> >>>>>>>>>>> but also Osama Bin Laden are their exalted tenants.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If they could they would have started a Pakistani version of
> >>>> PPL.but
> >>>>>>>>>>> alas they neither have the financiers nor have the
> >> international
> >>>>>>>>>>> players who would be willing to come and play in their
> > country,
> >>
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>> love of cricket or money.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We can not blame the Indian sponsors for staying clear and
> > not
> >>>>>>>>>>> bidding for their players and take the all the risks
> > associated
> >>>>>>>>>>> security risks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from D. T.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from M. W.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cricket diplomacy will take time to yield dividends.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> More players from across the world are willing to join IPL
> > and
> >>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> making statements to endear themselves to the IPL's Indian
> >>>>> clientele.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mathew Hayden and Adam Gilcrist issued statements condemning
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> attacks on Indians in Oz. Ponting did not make any statement
> >> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> opted out of IPL- 3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Shri Lankans are firmly in the Indian boat.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Bangladeshis are making statements that no one would
> >> expect
> >>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> them two years back.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mahmadullah considers MS Dhoni his role model.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tamim Iqbal was lavish in his praise of Indian players and
> > the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> camaraderie between Bangla and Indian players.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Indian players (like Sachin and Zaheer) are visiting their
> > IPL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> counterpart's (Ashraful) home.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think the IPL decision to exclude Pakistanis is good. It
> >> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> soften up the Pakistani players attitude towards India and
> > let
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clubs read into the statements that follow the exclusion.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are Pakistanis in IPL. Wasim Akram is the bowling
> > coach
> >> of
> >>>>> KKR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> India needs to weed out the antiIndians like Afridi, Shoiab
> >>> Malik,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sohail Tanvir and look for players like Shoiab Akthar and
> >> Younus
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Khan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from M. W.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Ram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So has Swapan Dasgupta joined the scotch drinking, psec,
> >> Hindu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing sickos?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Ram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from S. Kumar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, January 25, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. GOI has already declared that IPL is a totally private
> >>>> business
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> body and GOI has nothing to do with any of the functions
> > of
> >>> IPL.
> >>>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much for GOI.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The leaders of various bids declared openly that in
> > view
> >> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> several bomb blasts by Pak based terror groups esp. 26/11
> >> and
> >>>> Pak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to send terrorists across the border with no
> >>> serious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to solve the issue, Indian population apprehend
> > the
> >>>> safety
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Pak players if they visit India.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an incident like Srilanka team attacked in Lahore,
> >> happens
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> India by same Taliban or Al Quaeda, not only the IPL but
> > GOI
> >>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> held totally accountable for such probable tragedy and
> >> blamed
> >>> by
> >>>>>>>> Pak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Govt.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bidders hence avoided any Pak player, though GOI
> >> favoured
> >>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusion by issue of visa-s all of them including those
> >>> outside
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Country then.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Pakistan has the habit of over-reacting to situations
> > to
> >>>> blame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> India. One of the participants in TV discussions stated,
> >> when
> >>>> Pak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Govt has consistently been denying Dawood Ibrahoim's
> >> presence
> >>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though all details of his presence has been known and
> >>> extending
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support/ logistics to terrorists, how could you expect
> >> Indians
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extend such invoitations risking their own lives?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Now Bangladesh Govt. has released the report that
> >> Mussarraf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself visited Dhaka in 2002 and had a 1hr.30 min.
> >>> discussions
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULFA Chief in a Hotel there!! Were they discussing the
> >> belle-s
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pak has been doing everything possible to destabilise and
> >>>> destroy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> India since 1948 and still continues to do so. Though
> >> several
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani children were operated for cardiac deformities
> >>> freely
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangalore and regular visit and performance of musicians
> > and
> >>>>>>>> artists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Pakistan are encouraged by India, has there been any
> >>>>>>>>> improvement
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of relations?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from S. Kumar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sirs/friends,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for
> >>> kind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information and action as deemed fit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (For favour of publication)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's
> > article,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday
> >>> Pioneer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 24), is shocking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva
> >>>> movement
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into
> > the
> >>>>>>>> pro-Pak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani
> >>>>>>>>> cricketers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient
> >> handle
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that
> >>>> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted,
> > the
> >>>>>>>> Indian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government has complicated matters, are just indicative
> > of
> >>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed perception.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour,
> >>>>>>>>>> hospitality
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and
> >> Indian
> >>>>>>>> fans
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to
> >> improve
> >>>>>>>>>> Indo-Pak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> Indian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well
> > that
> >>>>>>>>> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred
> > and
> >>>>>>>>>> terrorism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That
> > India
> >>>> 'has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India
> > is
> >> a
> >>>>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for
> >>> India
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> go
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel.
> >> We
> >>>>>>>> ought
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are
> >>>>>>>> interested
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the
> >>>>>>>> majority,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making
> >> Hindu
> >>>>>>>> India
> >>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Islamic State.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours faithfully,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Swapan Dasgupta
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Pioneer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, January 24, 2010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of
> > any
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> its
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly
> > petulant.
> >>> The
> >>>>>>>>> IPL,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if
> > team
> >>>>>>>> owners
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to
> >>> involve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a
> >>> calculated
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit
> >>> like
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has
> >>> insulted
> >>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country by refusing to sign him up for his next
> >> blockbuster.
> >>>>>>>> Life
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are
> >> often
> >>>>>>>> taken
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty
> >> matters
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the
> >>> reaction
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that
> >> Pakistanis
> >>>>>>>>> attach
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in
> >>> India.
> >>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country,
> >>> mired
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth
> > in
> >>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national
> >>> pride
> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> 1970s.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride
> > seeing
> >>> Asif
> >>>>>>>>>> Iqbal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan,
> >>> Zaheer
> >>>>>>>>>> Abbas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up
> >>> Surrey.
> >>>>>>>>> That
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of
> >>>>>>>> cricket.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club
> >> sides
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lancashire League.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in
> >>>>>>>> England
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if
> > something
> >>> went
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for
> > Lancashire
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>> 2000.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a
> >>>> report
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's
> > Wikipedia
> >>>>>>>> entry),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned
> > to
> >>>>>>>>>> represent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes
> >> uncertain
> >>>>>>>>> whether
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to
> >>> take
> >>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag.
> > But
> >>>>>>>> mutiny
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly,
> >> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only
> >> to
> >>>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deserted."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in
> >>> Bengal)
> >>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism.
> >>> They
> >>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples
> >> who
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of
> > an
> >>>>>>>> earlier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket.
> >>>> Today,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls
> > the
> >>>>>>>>>> economics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in
> >>> Indian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally,
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> anguish
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate
> > accusations
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> bias
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and national humiliation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian
> >> cricket
> >>>>>>>> and,
> >>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the
> >> IPL
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or
> > not,
> >>> IPL
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit
> >> Modi's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India.
> >>> When
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah
> >> Rukh
> >>>>>>>>> Khan's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely
> >>>> attract
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India
> >>>>>>>> immeasurable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be
> >> rather
> >>>>>>>>>> prickly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made
> >>> eminent
> >>>>>>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few
> >> Pakistani
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless
> >>>> spectacle
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national
> >>> affront.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis;
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>> bigoted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a
> >>> tendency
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which
> >> includes
> >>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> daily
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of
> >> India.
> >>>>>>>> Many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels
> >> for
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> US.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given
> > a
> >>>>>>>>> cynical
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to
> >>>> arouse
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting
> > that
> >>>>>>>>> Pakistan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should introspect over why its players are not wanted,
> >> South
> >>>>>>>> Block
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has complicated matters and given a private matter an
> >>> official
> >>>>>>>>>> twist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient
> > realisation
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>> India
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A
> >>>>>>>> ham-handed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our
> >>>>>>>> responses
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa
> >>>>>>>>> regulations
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> Jaipur
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries
> >> into
> >>>>>>>>> India
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss,
> > rather
> >>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted travel plans.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa
> >>>> regime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or
> >> the
> >>> US
> >>>>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would
> > we
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or
> > would
> >>> we
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National security is paramount. But before we insist that
> >>> every
> >>>>>>>>>> knee-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it
> >>> would
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the
> >>> receiving
> >>>>>>>>> end.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good
> >>> will.
> >>>>>>>>> India
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an
> >>>>>>>>>> uncompromising
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but enlightened national security regime, one that is
> >> blessed
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence and discretion.
> >>
> >
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-f
> or-India.html
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More at:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Shanti
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== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:50 pm
From: "harmony"
ok, i will give high marks to dasgupta for a good start and the middle of
his article. but the article has paki finish where he seemingly castigates
indian action. what the heck is meant by ".... arouse further hatred of
(india)?" mr. dasgupta, what hatred could possibly go beyond terror-killing
when you speak of further hatred? and you are wrong; usa did not lose
goodwill because of homeland security. au contraire, mr. dasgupta. the world
applauded usa for not allowing next attack on american soil. indians only
could wish for such a dicisive action. it was the iraq war that lost usa its
goodwill, not the homeland security. are you not smart enough to see that?
quite unlike you, no american scribe advocated inviting al quaida volleyball
team to visit usa. a good article that went kaput.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20100126MkLcSWg9InywD27Zz9Crt31@Gd56V...
> Forwarded message from Ram Gopal
>
> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>
> Dear Sirs/friends,
>
> Here is a copy of my letter to the Pioneer for kind
> information and action as deemed fit.
>
> Ram Gopal
>
> (For favour of publication)
>
> Sir, I am sorry to say that Mr. Swapan Dasgupta's article,
> "Pakistan's affront a certificate for India", (Sunday Pioneer,
> January 24), is shocking.
>
> It appears that the recent decline in Hindutva movement and
> rise of Islamism has prompted Mr. Dasgupta to get into the pro-Pak
> band-wagon. His observations that, by ignoring Pakistani cricketers,
> the IPL has given Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle to
> arouse further hatred for India and, in suggesting that Pakistan
> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, the Indian
> government has complicated matters, are just indicative of his
> changed perception.
>
> Mr. Dasgupta has forgotten that all the honour, hospitality
> and money showered on Pakistani musicians by India and Indian fans
> during the past 50 years have done nothing either to improve Indo-Pak
> relations or inducing Pakistan to accord similar facility to Indian
> musicians to perform on Pakistani soil. He knows well that Pakistan
> has nothing to offer to India or Indians, except hatred and terrorism
> and yet Dasgupta has chosen to plead their case. That India 'has
> become the power centre of world cricket' or that 'India is a point
> of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis' is no reason for India to go
> an extra mile with special offers to Pakistani personnel. We ought to
> know that while the so-called unbigoted Pakistanis are interested in
> Indian wealth and beauty, the bigoted ones, who form the majority,
> are hell bent on converting Hindus to Islam and making Hindu India an
> Islamic State.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> Ram Gopal
>
> End of forwarded article from Ram Gopal
>
>
> Pakistan's affront a certificate for India
>
> By Swapan Dasgupta
> The Pioneer
> Sunday, January 24, 2010
>
> The sharp reaction in Pakistan to the non-inclusion of any of its
> players in next season's IPL may seem needlessly petulant. The IPL,
> after all, is a privately-sponsored tournament and if team owners
> collectively decide that it is not worth the hassle to involve
> Pakistani cricketers, it can hardly be said to be a calculated
> affront to the Pakistani state and its people. It's a bit like a
> Pakistani music director claiming that Aamir Khan has insulted his
> country by refusing to sign him up for his next blockbuster. Life is
> not always a great conspiracy; momentous decisions are often taken on
> mundane considerations, peripherally related to lofty matters of
> state.
>
> Nevertheless, I am heartened by the shrillness of the reaction in
> Pakistan. If anything, it only goes to prove that Pakistanis attach a
> great deal of value to the glamour of playing cricket in India. In
> the 1970s, when India was a struggling socialist country, mired in
> shortages, the ultimate prize for cricketers was a berth in an
> English country side. I recall the outpouring of national pride when
> the dashing Farokh Engineer kept wicket for Lancashire in the 1970s.
> Pakistanis must have felt an equal measure of pride seeing Asif Iqbal
> captain Kent, Majid Khan open the innings for Glamorgan, Zaheer Abbas
> top the averages for Somerset and Intikhab Alam prop up Surrey. That
> was because England was perceived as the headquarters of cricket.
> Overseas cricketers even lusted for contracts with club sides in the
> Lancashire League.
>
> An associated feature of this craving to be recognised in England was
> the dejection, which quickly turned to anger, if something went
> wrong. Sourav Ganguly was contracted to play for Lancashire in 2000.
> Unfortunately, he was not a great success. According to a report in
> Wisden Cricketer (helpfully included in Sourav's Wikipedia entry),
> "The imperious Indian -- dubbed 'Lord Snooty' -- deigned to represent
> Lancashire in 2000. At the crease it was sometimes uncertain whether
> his partner was a batsman or a batman being despatched to take his
> discarded sweater to the pavilion or carry his kit bag. But mutiny
> was afoot among the lower orders. In one match Ganguly, after
> reaching his 50, raised his bat to the home balcony, only to find it
> deserted."
>
> Predictably, there were many in India (and too many in Bengal) who
> equated Sourav's adjustment problems with English racism. They were
> reacting in a manner entirely becoming of subject peoples who have
> nothing apart from victimhood for succour.
>
> What we are seeing in Pakistan is eerily reminiscent of an earlier
> generation's love-hate relationship with English cricket. Today,
> India is the power centre of world cricket; it controls the economics
> of cricket. There is a natural desire to find a place in Indian
> cricket -- and the public adulation is a bonus. Equally, the anguish
> of exclusion invariably results in intemperate accusations of bias
> and national humiliation.
>
> Pakistan's affront is the best certificate for Indian cricket and, by
> implication, the Indian economy. Along with Bolywood, the IPL is
> evidence of India's soft power. Whether we like it or not, IPL is no
> longer perceived as a private sector initiative; Lalit Modi's
> preferences have a bearing on wider perceptions of India. When the
> Bangladeshi bowler Mashrafe Mortaza was 'bought' by Shah Rukh Khan's
> team last year for a whopping $600,000, it didn't merely attract
> newer fans for Kolkata Knight Riders, it earned India immeasurable
> goodwill in a neighbouring country that is prone to be rather prickly
> in its dealings with the big neighbour.
>
> From the perspective of statecraft, it would have made eminent sense
> for the IPL to have acquired the services of a few Pakistani
> cricketers. Instead, we are confronted by the needless spectacle of
> most Pakistanis perceiving the exclusion as a national affront.
>
> India is a point of envy for most non-bigoted Pakistanis; the bigoted
> ones hate India for precisely that reason. There is a tendency in
> Pakistan to contrast its own miserable plight (which includes a daily
> dose of suicide-bombing) with the liberal dynamism of India. Many
> Pakistanis feel towards India the same way as India feels for the US.
> There is a desperate desire to be acknowledged.
>
> By ignoring its cricketers, the IPL has unwittingly given a cynical
> Pakistani Establishment a convenient handle with which to arouse
> further hatred of the traditional enemy. In suggesting that Pakistan
> should introspect over why its players are not wanted, South Block
> has complicated matters and given a private matter an official twist.
>
> At the heart of the problem is the insufficient realisation in India
> that we are no longer a pathetic Third World country. A ham-handed
> Home Ministry mindset still seems to dictate many of our responses to
> complex issues. For example, the silly post-Headley visa regulations
> meant that many writers from overseas couldn't make it to the Jaipur
> Literary Festival. The two-month bar on multiple entries into India
> also meant that some chose to give the event a miss, rather than make
> convoluted travel plans.
>
> I don't know the extent to which a one-size-fits-all visa regime
> strengthens national security. But imagine if Britain or the US had
> imposed similar restrictions on overseas visitors. Would we have
> nodded our acquiescence of their homeland security or would we have
> cursed them solidly and charged them with xenophobia?
>
> National security is paramount. But before we insist that every knee-
> jerk restriction is put into effect indiscriminately, it would be
> beneficial to consider the reaction if we were at the receiving end.
> The inability to be discerning cost the US enormous good will. India
> would do well to learn the lessons and move towards an uncompromising
> but enlightened national security regime, one that is blessed with
> intelligence and discretion.
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/231448/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-affront-a-certificate-for-India.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:14 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jackass jyotishithead wrote:
> Congress bigger than dynasty
>
> A. Surya Prakash
> Editorial
> The Pioneer
> Tuesday, January 26, 2010
>
> [...]
>
> During her speech, Ms Gandhi showered fulsome praise on Jawaharlal
> Nehru, Mrs Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, 'generously' devoted two
> lines to Lal Bahadur Shastri (lest her partisanship become obvious)
> but made no mention of PV Narasimha Rao, who was one of our greatest
> Prime Ministers.
Odd, but I recall The Pioneer attacking PVNR in its editorials when the
man was PM, as a lackey of the Italian catholic mob, etc. When did he
suddenly become "one of our greatest Prime Ministers"? F**king
opportunistic hypocrites!
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