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TOPIC: sociopath Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 12:36 am
From: Franz Gnaedinger
Time to revive this thread, and to prepare action
against that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj
who adorns his false name with a false title and believes
he can abuse our scientific forum for his concealed
interest of making money, a real interest hid behind
a false engagement.
> The sociopath goes on and on and on abusing sci.lang.
> I will take measures soon.
>
> > The abuse of sci.lang by the sociopath of the false
> > name and false title and false engagement encourages
> > others to abuse our forum for commercial purposes,
> > see the many sex threads started yesterday.
>
> > > Seven messages in crying titles yesterday. Does the
> > > sociopath now feel a martyr because I maintain this thread,
> > > allowing him to post ever more messages, making ever
> > > more money?
>
> > > > Dusan, where are you?
>
> > > > > Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
> > > > > rid ofJayStevensalias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
> > > > > call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
> > > > > on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
> > > > > Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
> > > > > his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
> > > > > community, his pretended compassion for abused
> > > > > children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
> > > > > pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
> > > > > and he coldly calculates that he can find them
> > > > > among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
> > > > > to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
> > > > > he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
> > > > > and find out what he really has in mind.
>
> > > > > >JayStevenswho calls himself Jai Maharaj and
> > > > > > adorns his false name with a false title pretends
> > > > > > to engage himself for the Hindu community
> > > > > > while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
> > > > > > of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
> > > > > > prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
> > > > > > in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
> > > > > > scheme of turning the misery of other people into
> > > > > > money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
> > > > > > gives him the right to ruin sci.lang.JayStevens
> > > > > > aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
> > > > > > and a cancer combined.
>
> > > > > > > That sociopathJayStevenswho calls himself
> > > > > > > Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
> > > > > > > title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
> > > > > > > threads presently on the first page of the topics list
> > > > > > > 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
> > > > > > > say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
> > > > > > > My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
> > > > > > > community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
> > > > > > > mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
> > > > > > > I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
> > > > > > > to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
> > > > > > > Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
> > > > > > > felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
> > > > > > > Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
> > > > > > > years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
> > > > > > > of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
> > > > > > > that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
> > > > > > > of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
> > > > > > > in these matters, my messages will be read again,
> > > > > > > and I can tell for sure thatJaySteves who is at present
> > > > > > > carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
> > > > > > > sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
> > > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
> > > > > > > superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
> > > > > > > business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
> > > > > > > but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
> > > > > > > a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
> > > > > > > is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
> > > > > > > and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
> > > > > > > and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
> > > > > > > No, that sociopathJayStevensaka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
> > > > > > > care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
> > > > > > > from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>
> > > > > > > > A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
> > > > > > > > particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
> > > > > > > > using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
> > > > > > > > pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
> > > > > > > > while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
> > > > > > > > for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
> > > > > > > > an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
> > > > > > > > sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
> > > > > > > > namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
> > > > > > > > Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
> > > > > > > > Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
> > > > > > > > own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
> > > > > > > > alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
> > > > > > > > stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
> > > > > > > > alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
> > > > > > > > alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
> > > > > > > > discovered the origin of language alias he himself
> > > > > > > > as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>
> > > > > > > > > > That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
> > > > > > > > > > trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
> > > > > > > > > > his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
> > > > > > > > > > around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
> > > > > > > > > > the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
> > > > > > > > > > calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
> > > > > > > > > > ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
> > > > > > > > > > a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
> > > > > > > > > > creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
> > > > > > > > > > sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > > > > > sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
> > > > > > > > > > for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
> > > > > > > > > > the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
> > > > > > > > > > among those people he apparently believes are especially
> > > > > > > > > > prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
> > > > > > > > > > target of his astrological enterprise.
>
> > > > > > > > > On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
> > > > > > > > > abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
> > > > > > > > > often with messages on child abuse by Christian
> > > > > > > > > missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
> > > > > > > > > and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
> > > > > > > > > against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
> > > > > > > > > against his spamming you are revealed as someone
> > > > > > > > > who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
> > > > > > > > > nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
> > > > > > > > > instead, belonging to the accused western world,
> > > > > > > > > we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
> > > > > > > > > allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
> > > > > > > > > forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
> > > > > > > > > against every religious propaganda in here, also
> > > > > > > > > Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
> > > > > > > > > quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
> > > > > > > > > by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
> > > > > > > > > people do, how they live, what example they give.
> > > > > > > > > And most of all I write against child abuse and child
> > > > > > > > > pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
> > > > > > > > > based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
> > > > > > > > > A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
> > > > > > > > > top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
> > > > > > > > > that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
> > > > > > > > > these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
> > > > > > > > > accusations of that false doctor of the false name
> > > > > > > > > and his cynic calculation that he can make money
> > > > > > > > > out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
> > > > > > > > > community while all he has in mind is to catch
> > > > > > > > > new customers for his astrological enteprise.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 10:53 am
From: "Me, ...again!"
(see quoted material at end)
You guys could consider spamming his spam, thus flushing all his crap by
dillution.
Also, edit sci.lang off the cross post list but add insults designed to
attract his response and hope he does not edit back on your s.l ng.
There are hacker approaches to slowing down his spam but you'd have to be
very careful to keep yourself concealed.
Also, since he represents being a "Vedic Astrology" (for hire?), you could
also promote the idea that anyone can find free astrology services on the
internet, thus, maybe, undercutting his astrology business.
I can't think of anything more useless than astrology except, maybe, being
homeless. Maybe he's really homeless? All his obsession with sex abuse by
Christian clergy is a hint that he was sexually abused by one when he was
a kid and all this is "payback." Maybe he needs to see a shrink?
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
> Time to revive this thread, and to prepare action
> against that sociopath Jay Stevens aka Dr. Jai Maharaj
> who adorns his false name with a false title and believes
> he can abuse our scientific forum for his concealed
> interest of making money, a real interest hid behind
> a false engagement.
>
>> The sociopath goes on and on and on abusing sci.lang.
>> I will take measures soon.
>>
>>> The abuse of sci.lang by the sociopath of the false
>>> name and false title and false engagement encourages
>>> others to abuse our forum for commercial purposes,
>>> see the many sex threads started yesterday.
>>
>>>> Seven messages in crying titles yesterday. Does the
>>>> sociopath now feel a martyr because I maintain this thread,
>>>> allowing him to post ever more messages, making ever
>>>> more money?
>>
>>>>> Dusan, where are you?
>>
>>>>>> Dusan, where are you? We need your help in getting
>>>>>> rid ofJayStevensalias Dr. Jai Maharaj whom you
>>>>>> call a sad monkey. This morning 20 of 30 threads
>>>>>> on the title page of the Google topics list are by him.
>>>>>> Everything is false about him, his Usenet name,
>>>>>> his title, his pretended engagement for the Hindu
>>>>>> community, his pretended compassion for abused
>>>>>> children. His only concern is to acquire clients who
>>>>>> pay good money for his astrological nonsense,
>>>>>> and he coldly calculates that he can find them
>>>>>> among Hindus: they are many, they are prone
>>>>>> to superstition, and, being of a minor intelligence,
>>>>>> he thinks, they won't see through his cynic scheme
>>>>>> and find out what he really has in mind.
>>
>>>>>>> JayStevenswho calls himself Jai Maharaj and
>>>>>>> adorns his false name with a false title pretends
>>>>>>> to engage himself for the Hindu community
>>>>>>> while all he cares for is the cash he can suck out
>>>>>>> of his Hindu clientele whom he considers particularly
>>>>>>> prone to superstition, prime material to be ground
>>>>>>> in his astrological mill. He found the (almost) perfect
>>>>>>> scheme of turning the misery of other people into
>>>>>>> money. And he feels that his pseudo-engagement
>>>>>>> gives him the right to ruin sci.lang.JayStevens
>>>>>>> aka Dr. Jai Maharaj is a capital sociopath, a cynic
>>>>>>> and a cancer combined.
>>
>>>>>>>> That sociopathJayStevenswho calls himself
>>>>>>>> Jai Maharaj and adorns his false name with a false
>>>>>>>> title goes on massively spamming sci.lang, of the 30
>>>>>>>> threads presently on the first page of the topics list
>>>>>>>> 15 are by him. I will go on repeating what I have to
>>>>>>>> say about him, in previous messages quoted below.
>>>>>>>> My word has a weight, also among the Hindu
>>>>>>>> community, for I am pointing out the value of Indian
>>>>>>>> mathematics, I worked about the Harappan tablets,
>>>>>>>> I can prove that there is a direct line from Harappa
>>>>>>>> to the Vedic religion, and I can take it up with Dr.
>>>>>>>> Steve Farmer, assistant of Witzel. Dr. Farmer
>>>>>>>> felt sorry for me that I believe the nonsense of
>>>>>>>> Asko Parpola, there being a gap of two thousand
>>>>>>>> years between 'Pashupati' and the first mentioning
>>>>>>>> of Murukan. But my work is here to stay, I can show
>>>>>>>> that the RigVeda go straight back to the mythology
>>>>>>>> of Ice Age Eurasia. So my word will have a weight
>>>>>>>> in these matters, my messages will be read again,
>>>>>>>> and I can tell for sure thatJaySteves who is at present
>>>>>>>> carrying out his second long-term massive attack on
>>>>>>>> sci.lang is a sociopath, and a cynic at that, fishing
>>>>>>>> for clients among the Hindus he considers a particularly
>>>>>>>> superstitious bunch, trying to win them for his astological
>>>>>>>> business. He pretends to be defending the Hindu cause,
>>>>>>>> but he is just making money, and he doesn't care whether
>>>>>>>> a newsgroup is choked by him, not even if that newsgroup
>>>>>>>> is seriously concerned with the culture of ancient India,
>>>>>>>> and providing new and fascinating links between Harappa
>>>>>>>> and the RigVeda, outwitting Witzel and his adlatus Farmer.
>>>>>>>> No, that sociopathJayStevensaka Dr. Jai Maharaj doesn't
>>>>>>>> care at all, all he cares about is the money he sucks in
>>>>>>>> from Hindu clients whom he makes believe his astro-crap.
>>
>>>>>>>>> A sociopath fools people about his intentions. That
>>>>>>>>> particular sociopath who calls himself Dr. Jai Maharaj,
>>>>>>>>> using a false name and adorning it with a false title,
>>>>>>>>> pretends to defend the cause of the Hindu community
>>>>>>>>> while just boosting his astrological business, fishing
>>>>>>>>> for clients among the Hindus he apparently considers
>>>>>>>>> an especially superstitious bunch of people. That
>>>>>>>>> sociopath should not be encouraged by another -path,
>>>>>>>>> namely my longtime stalker of the many aliases,
>>>>>>>>> Panu Petteri Höglund alias John Bulkington alias
>>>>>>>>> Patrick Karl alias craoibhin66 alias he himself as his
>>>>>>>>> own good friend and pupil Sean Connor soconn1
>>>>>>>>> alias he himself as his own brother in arms and
>>>>>>>>> stalking aide John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle johnk
>>>>>>>>> alias he himself as his own bride Annina Kaartinen
>>>>>>>>> alias a Rumanian professor who claims to have
>>>>>>>>> discovered the origin of language alias he himself
>>>>>>>>> as his own bride Maria Kupari.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That false doctor who calls himself Jai Maharaj is again
>>>>>>>>>>> trying to suffocate sci.lang. Is it a coincidence that he began
>>>>>>>>>>> his new campaign of massive abusement of our scientific group
>>>>>>>>>>> around New Year, in sight of 2012 ? year of the alleged end of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Mayan calendar, in reality a false claim based on a wrong
>>>>>>>>>>> calculation, and even if the long calendar cycle of the Maya
>>>>>>>>>>> ended in 2012 it would not mean the end of the world, just
>>>>>>>>>>> a new calendar cycle. The year 2012 makes astrologers
>>>>>>>>>>> creep out of their holes, they can frighten people again and
>>>>>>>>>>> sell them their horoscopes. That false doctor Jai Maharaj
>>>>>>>>>>> sells horoscopes and abuses our forum for making propaganda
>>>>>>>>>>> for his astrological firm, pretending that he posts in favor of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Hindu community, while in fact seeing his marekting niche
>>>>>>>>>>> among those people he apparently believes are especially
>>>>>>>>>>> prone to superstition, and therefroe the right and yielding
>>>>>>>>>>> target of his astrological enterprise.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On and on that false doctor of the false name goes
>>>>>>>>>> abusing sci.lang, spammiing our scientific forum,
>>>>>>>>>> often with messages on child abuse by Christian
>>>>>>>>>> missionaries. This has nothing to do with linguistics,
>>>>>>>>>> and reveals a cynic calculation. Who can say anything
>>>>>>>>>> against a protest against child abuse? If you protest
>>>>>>>>>> against his spamming you are revealed as someone
>>>>>>>>>> who secretly supports child abuse, and so, he hopes,
>>>>>>>>>> nobody will speak up against his abuse of sci.lang,
>>>>>>>>>> instead, belonging to the accused western world,
>>>>>>>>>> we are supposed to crumble away in shame and
>>>>>>>>>> allow him to go on with his massive attack on our
>>>>>>>>>> forum. But he didn't count with me. I raise my voice
>>>>>>>>>> against every religious propaganda in here, also
>>>>>>>>>> Christian one, I spoke against missioning all my life,
>>>>>>>>>> quoting Matthew 7:16: "Ye shall recognize them
>>>>>>>>>> by their fruits" - what counts are not words but what
>>>>>>>>>> people do, how they live, what example they give.
>>>>>>>>>> And most of all I write against child abuse and child
>>>>>>>>>> pornography especially in the web, my reasoning
>>>>>>>>>> based on my theory of the two pillars of the law.
>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago I sent a paper of mine to the
>>>>>>>>>> top chief of the Zurich police. A minor chief told me
>>>>>>>>>> that my letters contain useful ideas. I am active in
>>>>>>>>>> these fields, I don't crumble away before the implicit
>>>>>>>>>> accusations of that false doctor of the false name
>>>>>>>>>> and his cynic calculation that he can make money
>>>>>>>>>> out of child abuse, pretending to care for the Hindu
>>>>>>>>>> community while all he has in mind is to catch
>>>>>>>>>> new customers for his astrological enteprise.
>
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:19 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Forwarded message from Chand K Sharma
Splashes from Hindu Mahasagar -- 6 - Fascinating Hindu History
Splashes from Hindu Mahasagar -- 6
Facinating Hindu History
Pagan religions all over the world have used icons or symbols to
represent abstract and intangible objects. The fanciful gallery of
mythological deities in Biblical stories, Arabian Nights, and The
Canterbury Tales are collections of human imagination. Blowing of
strong wind would normally be indicated through waving trees, flying
of lighter objects and rising of dust. Similarly super human power of
gods and goddesses has been suggested through four arms, heads, and
other such embellishments. In this connection Hindu history has much
more to offer to the world as a piece of art and literature.
One of the most remarkable features of Hindu history is that unlike
other faiths, it is not confined to any area and time, but historical
characters have imprints left over the entire universe. There are
several descriptions related to inter-planetary movements of not only
of gods and goddesses, but also of sages and mortal beings. The gods,
goddesses and many of the sages are timeless and ever lasting. They
appear and disappear, are clad in glittering costumes, are powerful
and resourceful to grant boons and can inflict destruction through
curse as well. Every God possesses weapons to destroy the evil, as
well as flowers to shower blessings.
Hindus laid greater importance on the preservation of environment
also. Animals and useful plants such as Peepal, Beil, Tulsi, and
Banyan were associated with various gods and goddesses; to be loved,
nurtured, and even worshiped. Sources of water, mountains and other
elements of nature are also respected as gods and goddesses. Animals
were also included in history thereby recognizing their right to co-
exist with others. Even Pig and snakes, hated in other faiths find a
respectable place in Hindu history, since no one is under rated. Many
animals are associated with Gods as carriers. Some animals were given
the status of Gods and goddesses to impress that Omnipresence of the
Almighty.
Every religion has drawn its own concept of heaven and hell that are
comparable to the prevailing of the religion originated. Islamic
Heaven is cool, shady and has plenty of water sources fruit grow and
nymphs are on duty to serve the believers. There Hell is always
burning hot with lot many apparatus of torture in motion to punish
the non believers and worshipers of idols. On the contrary Biblical
Heaven has Sun shine, and their hell is full of Ice. All the
religions have placed heaven above and Hell below. The administration
of heavenly sites is in the hands of Devas, Angles, Nymphs, Hoors and
Apasras who are well versed in the art of dressing up, dancing and
music. Like wise in Hinduism pious people reside in Swarga and
sinners in Narka irresective of their being believers or non-
believers. The only difference is that Narka residents have chances
of relocating themselves in Swarga with good deeds done when they are
reborn. Propagators of religion not believing in re-birth have no
option of relocating even if they atoned later and desired to do some
good.
Though Hindus believe in one God, but view the same God in three
different modes while in action and that is known as the Trinity of
Supreme God:
Brahm is the Creator God. He is traditionally depicted with four
heads, faces and arms. Each head recites one of the four Vedas. The
hands hold a water-pot used in creating life, a string of rosary
beads used to keep track of the Universe's time, the text of the
Vedas, and a lotus flower. He is the husband of goddess Saraswati.
His mount is Hamsa (Swan). Brahm only occasionally interferes in the
affairs of the gods, and even more rarely in mortal affairs. He is
generally painted old, probably to signify that creativity, wisdom,
and experience without resources and power is like an old and
helpless person.
Vishnu is known as preserver. He is usually depicted as a four-armed
humanoid with blue skin, often sitting or resting on a lotus flower
or relaxing on Sheshnag bed with Lakshami (goddess of wealth) in
attendance, indicating a person possessing everything of ultimate
luxury. His mount is Garuda. He is identified with his Avatars
(Incarnations) to re-establish orderliness in the World.
Shiv is the destroyer. Shiv is represented as immersed in deep
meditation, on Mount Kailash. However, even though he represents
destruction, he is viewed as a positive force, the Destroyer of Evil.
His vahan (mount) is 'Nandi', the Bull. He is usually represented by
the symbol of Shiv ling. His consort is 'Parvati', a goddess who
comes in many different forms, one of whom is Kaali, the goddess of
death. As Nataraj Shiv is the Lord of the Dance, and also symbolizes
the dance of the Universe, with all its delicately balanced heavenly
bodies and natural laws which complement and balance each other. He
is also symbolized as doing his great dance of destruction, called
Taandava signifying praleya -- the doom's day, implying total
dissolution of the universe.
All the three reflections are in fact one God performing three
different functions of creation, preservation and finally destruction
same way as a human can be son to the parents, husband to the wife,
and parent of his children. All the three separate functions are
performed by the same person but the person is viewed differently by
his parents, wife and children. The concept of Trinity wraps in
itself the 'Theory of division of power' that was propounded by
Montesquieu of France, much later. Supreme God is personified into
the Trinity of Brahm Vishnu and Shiv. While Brahm, Vishnu and Shiv
function within their respective areas of creativity, preservation,
and destruction respectively and do not trespass or interfere in to
the field of each other's. They consult each other whenever there is
any crisis in the universe. Thus 'Government of the Universe'
reflects 'division of power' as well as 'interdependence' that
Montesquieu preached to the political thinkers of the west in
ninteenth century.
Hindu supreme Gods are not confined to any geopgraphical place and
period. They neither have any beginning or any ending. They are
universal.
Chand K Sharma
End of forwarded message from Chand K Sharma
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 7:46 am
From: chhotemianinshallah
Scrap Article 370: BJP, RSS
By Kanchan Lakhani
A state-level function was organised here today to pay homage to Dr
Shyama Prasad Mookherjee. Addressing a mammoth gathering, former
deputy Prime Minister LK Advani said: "Dr Mookherjee laid down his
life for the unity and integrity of the nation. He not only opposed
the permit system introduced for the people from outside J&K, but also
defied the permit restriction by entering the state on May 11, 1953.
The system itself was instrumental in creating differences among the
citizens of independent India."
Stating Article 370 as dangerous for the unity and integrity of India,
Mohan Bhagwat of the RSS said the Article should be scrapped at
earliest to ensure safety of the people of Jammu and Kashmir from the
evil designs of terrorist outfits functioning from across the border.
He also dedicated the samarak of Dr Shyama Prasad Mookherjee, named as
Ekta Sathal, at Madhopur bridge on the Punjab-J&K border, near here.
BJP national president Nitin Gadkari also rued the fact that India had
failed to settle the J&K issue even after 62 years of Independence. He
alleged that the appeasement policies of the UPA government were
encouraging terrorism in the country. Demanding immediate repealing of
Article 370, he said Dr Mookherjee's sacrifice would not go in vein.
Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Badal, in his brief address, said
martyrs belonged to the nation and not to any religion, cast or
region. Also present on the occasion were Himachal Pradesh CM PK
Dhumal, former CM Shanta Kumar, MP Navjot Sidhu, MP Avinash Rai
Khanna, BJP state chief Ashwani Sharma, BJP in charge (Punjab affairs)
Balbir Punj, and state ministers like Manoranjan Kalia, Master Mohan
Lal, Tikshan Sud, Luxmi Kanta Chawla and Swarna Ram.
via The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News.
http://amritsarmetro.com/2010/03/21/scrap-article-370-bjp-rss/
Researcher in new BJP vanguard
Poornima Joshi
New Delhi, March 21, 2010
BJP leaders aren't known to be "overqualified". But Nirmala
Seetharaman seems to have changed that image when she set foot in the
party headquarters on Saturday afternoon.
The saffron camp's media cell acquired a new profile with
Seetharaman's inclusion as spokesperson in BJP president Nitin
Gadkari's new team of officebearers.
An international trade expert with an MPhil from Jawaharlal Nehru
University's (JNU) Centre for Economic Studies and Planning,
Seetharaman was a researcher in the world's largest professional
services firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, in the UK.
Since she came back to India and settled in Hyderabad, the BJP's new
spokesperson has been engaged in research work in health, education
and rural employment. She is also part of running a model school
called Pranava in Hyderabad, and was a member of the National
Commission for Women. "I had finished PhD as well on textile trade
between India and Europe under the GATT regime, but could not submit
it," said Seetharaman.
So how did someone from JNU, known as the fourth bastion of the CPM
after West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura, end up in the BJP? "I was anti-
Left and part of the free thinkers in JNU. But I never joined any
political party. In fact, till 2006, I was engaged in research. But
when the chance came, I signed up with the BJP," she said.
At a time when Gadkari is facing criticism about sacrificing quality
in favour of the glamour quotient in his team, Seetharaman was propped
up by the party to parry queries in this regard. "What is wrong if
women from the film world or any other profession join politics?
It will only add fresh ideas so essential for the growth.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/89207/India/Researcher+in+new+BJP+vanguard.html
Cong has defied Nehru in its RS nominations: BJP
22 Mar 2010, 0726 hrs IST, ET Bureau
NEW DELHI: BJP on Sunday kept up its attack on Congress for nominating
two of its defeated Lok Sabha candidates — Mr Mani Shankar Aiyar and
Ram
Dayal Munda — to the Rajya Sabha. BJP said the action amounted to
defying Jawaharlal Nehru's stand on the issue.
"Pandit Nehru, in his speech in the House of the People on May 13,
1953, had categorically stated that such nominees (to Rajya Sabha)
should not represent political parties. There should be a high water
mark of literature, art or culture," BJP spokesperson Rajiv Pratap
Rudy said.
"By nominating two active party members, Congress has defied the stand
taken by their guiding leader," he said. Both Mr Aiyar and Mr Munda
had lost the 2009 Lok Sabha polls while contesting from their
constituencies in Tamil Nadu and Jharkhand, respectively.
"It seems the RS has become a refuge for defeated Congress candidates.
Congress is making a mockery of the nomination category," he said. He
quoted Gopalswamy Iyengar, a Constituent Assembly member, to drive
home his party's point. "Iyengar in his speech in the Constituent
Assembly on July 28, 1947, said that those seasoned people who may not
be in the thickest of political fray, but who might be willing to
participate from art and culture should be given an opportunity
through such nominations."
IANS
BJP leader calls for Hindu state again in Nepal
2010-03-22 17:20:00
A little-known Hindu organisation's call for reinstatement of a Hindu
state in Nepal received an unexpected support here from a visiting top
leader of India's Bharatiya Janata Party.
Former BJP president Rajnath Singh, who had arrived in Nepal Sunday to
attend the last rites of former Nepali prime minister Girija Prasad
Koirala, who was also the architect of a secular Nepal, said at a
press conference in Kathmandu Monday that he supported a Hindu state
in the Himalayan republic.
'We used to feel proud that Nepal was the only Hindu kingdom in the
world,' Singh said. 'I will be happy when Nepal is a Hindu state
again.'
The Indian leader said that there were other theocratic countries in
the world - including in the European Union and in South Asia.
'But no one is opposed to them,' Singh said. 'No one is appealing to
(the Islamic states of) Pakistan and Bangladesh to become secular. But
it was done in Nepal.'
Singh, who met Nepal's Prime Minister Madhav Kumar Nepal and President
Ram Baran Yadav Monday prior to his departure, said Hinduism was a way
of life and tolerant of other religions.
'That is why India is secular,' he said. '(But) Pakistan separated
(from India) to become theocratic and look at the state of the country
today.'
Asked about the sectarian riots in western India's Gujarat state under
a BJP government, the BJP leader said his party condemned violence.
Singh also made a veiled attack against Nepal's former Maoist
guerrillas, who waged a 10-year war for a secular state and are now
the biggest party in Nepal following the election in 2008.
'Weapons belong to defenders of the state, not the masses,' he said,
obliquely referring to the allegation against the Maoists that they
have still retained weapons.
'In a healthy democracy, there shouldn't be arms in people's hands.'
The Indian leader said he had urged Nepal's leaders to implement the
new constitution on the basis of consensus within the May deadline.
Singh's remarks are likely to fuel a controversy in Nepal at a time
when several Hindu organisations are calling for a Hindu state.
A little-known group called the Vishwa Ekata Parishad set two buses
and a motorcycle on fire in Kailali district in farwestern Nepal
during a general strike called by them in western Nepal Monday.
The group is seeking to reinstate Hinduism as the state religion. An
anti-monarchy campaign led to parliament declaring the country secular
in 2006.
The new constitution is expected to consolidate the nature of the
secular republic.
However, ahead of the new constitution, Hindu groups have begun
raising demands for a Hindu state.
Last week, a National Religious Revival Campaign kicked off in
Kathmandu, attended by lawmakers and veteran politicians, making the
same demand.
There has also been a series of visits by Hindu preachers, including
controversial Indian Chandraswamy, who have been attending rituals
calling for a Hindu state.
The last of them, a nine-day ritual, was attended by three former
prime ministers of Nepal and deposed Hindu king Gyanendra himself.
Nepal's only openly royalist party, Rastriya Prajatantra Party
(Nepal), is demanding a Hindu kingdom.
Kamal Thapa, who was home minister in king Gyanendra's regime and
heads the royalist party, has warned of protests against the new
constitution unless the government holds a referendum ahead of it.
Thapa says people should be allowed to decide if they want a king and
a Hindu state through the referendum.
In the past, the party called a general strike in Kathmandu valley to
show its clout and also blockaded major ministries.
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Advani blogs against Kashmir's autonomy
2010-03-22 15:20:00
Opposing autonomy for Jammu and Kashmir and restoration of the
pre-1953 status to the troubled state, senior Bharatiya Janata Party
(BJP) leader L.K. Advani has said the party won't allow the
constitutional clock to be turned back and vowed to get Article 370
completely abrogated.
'All that the country wants is to move forward to the complete
abrogation of Article 370,' Advani said, referring to the
constitutional provision that gives special status to Jammu and
Kashmir in India.
'The nation will not allow the constitutional clock to be turned back
in respect to the state's integration with India,' the veteran BJP
leader blogged.
Before 1953, Jammu and Kashmir had a separate head called prime
minister. The Supreme Court, the Election Commission of India, and the
comptroller and auditor general had no jurisdiction over the state.
Only three departments, defence, currency and foreign affairs were
controlled by the Indian government.
Any Indian citizen wanting to visit the state had to acquire a special
permit to enter Jammu and Kashmir.
However, the permit system was later abolished and gradually the
clauses, which Advani called 'separatist provisions', were changed and
the article diluted.
This, Advani wrote, 'brought (Jammu and Kashmir) at par with other
states in these matters'.
'When in the name of Kashmir's autonomy, it is nowadays said that the
dilution of Article 370 that took place post-1953 must be undone, it
is all these wholesome provisions of the Indian constitution which are
sought to be once again scrapped in their application to the state of
Jammu and Kashmir,' he said.
'The nation's clarion call to the powers-that-be is that India will
never forget Shyama Prasad Mookerji's sacrifice,' he said remembering
the Bharatiya Jana Sangh founder who entered Jammu and Kashmir in 1953
defying the permit system. Mookerji was taken to a prison where he
fell ill after a hunger strike. He later died.
http://sify.com/news/advani-blogs-against-kashmir-s-autonomy-news-national-kdwpubjefbh.html
BJP leader weighed in blood
NDTV Correspondent, Monday March 22, 2010, Ahmedabad
Weighing your leader in gold and silver is passé. How innovative can
your welcome be after Mayawati's money garland caught the eye of
everyone in the country?
A silver chair for Haryana Chief Minister Bhupendra Singh Hooda. A gun
salute for BJP general secretary Narendra Singh Tomar. Now try this.
The new state BJP chief in Gujarat, RC Faldu, was weighed in blood, 75
litres of it for his 75 kg of body weight. All that blood has been
kept in Vadodara for donation "to the needy".
The leader looked quite happy at the innovation as he sat on the giant
weighing scale. For the more conventional, he was also weighed in
coins.
Tomar, the BJP MP from Madhya Pradesh and general secretary, was
felicitated over the weekend with followers firing gunshots in the air
in Morena and a district-level office-bearer ended up injured.
Chief Minister Hooda said no to the silver throne and, it is reported,
a golden crown. But then Hooda belongs to the party that is taking its
austerity drive very seriously. In neighbouring UP, Chief Minister
Mayawati shall soon be accepting her third garland made of money.
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http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/bjp-leader-weighed-in-blood-18227.php
BJP general secretary's show of gun power injures partyman
22 Mar 2010, 1010 hrs IST, ET Bureau
NEW DELHI: Even as BJP president Nitin Gadkari battles to contain the
fall-out of a fresh burst of dissidence within his party following
the
announcement of his team of office-bearers, one of his chosen few
decided to exhibit his clout by a brazen show of gun power and might
at Shivpuri in his home constituency.
Mr Narendra Singh Tomar's first visit to his Lok Sabha constituency —
Morena in Madhya Pradesh — after being named a national general
secretary of BJP left at least one party activist injured during the
101-gun salute given by his followers. In a brazen show of strength
and muscle power, Mr Tomar, who's also the outgoing state BJP
president, chose to exhibit his might by parading 101 gun-totting
supporters on the occasion. This act clearly violated the law, but no
could dare taking any action against him for the fear of inviting the
state government's wrath. MP is ruled by BJP.
What is more shocking is that the incident took place in the very
presence of police and district officials who were there during the
controversial ceremony . Most of the arms used in the ceremony were
said to be illegal.
Mr Tomar's action has added to the woes of the BJP president, who is
already facing a lot of flak for his non-application of mind in the
selection of his team of office-bearers and the members of national
executive. The process flew in the face of his opt-repeated assertion
that he would go strictly by performance-audit while naming persons to
head important organisational posts. It now turns out that allegiance
to party satraps played an important role in team-selection exercise .
Factors such as regional and castebalancing were completely
jettisoned.
With Mr Gadkari faltering in his first big test, doubts are already
being raised about his next major hurdle — that of appointing
presidents to head the party in politically crucial states of UP,
Bihar, MP and Maharashtra. With a rejuvenated Congress gearing up to
challenge BSP in Uttar Pradesh and the JD(U)- BJP combine in Bihar, it
remains to be seen whether Mr Gadkari goes purely by merit in
appointing leaders to head the party in these states, or falls victim
once again to the pulls and pressures being exerted by powerful
chieftains.
Madhya Pradesh: Gun salute goes wrong, BJP leader injured
Press Trust of India, Sunday March 21, 2010, Morena (Madhya Pradesh)
A BJP leader was seriously injured on Sunday after he was accidentally
hit by a bullet fired to welcome party's newly-appointed general
secretary Narendra Singh Tomar at a town near Morena in Madhya
Pradesh.
Tomar was being given a gun salute by party workers on his arrival at
Ambah town when one of the bullets accidentally hit BJP's divisional
unit vice president Subhash Sharma in the leg causing serious
injuries, police said.
Sharma was rushed to primary health centre and then to Morena district
hospital, which finally referred him to Gwalior Medical College
Hospital.
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BJP dreams big for Bangalore
Express News Service
First Published : 22 Mar 2010 06:18:17 AM IST
Last Updated : 22 Mar 2010 08:58:03 AM IST
BANGALORE: There was confusion in the run -up to the BBMP elections.
Ticket distribution was chaotic and there were allegations that
candidate selection was not transparent.
There was no confusion. We had been discussing ticket distribution for
three months and finalised the candidates based on the suggestions of
the party workers. There may be minor differences but no major
problems.
Despite your promise of not letting it happen, people with criminal
background have gotten into the fray from the BJP.
There is no such instance. We have not given ticket to any such
elements.
What are the issues that the BJP feels could fetch votes? i) The
incomparable development work our party has done in Bangalore in the
last two years.
ii) The party is committed towards the development of Bangalore, well
reflected by the allocation of Rs 3,500 crore in the state budget.
iii) Our decisions have pleased Bangalore voters. For instance, take
our decision to bring in a legislation banning cow slaughter.
iv) People know that JD(S) and Congress have been playing a drama over
NICE, they have been shedding crocodile tears.
All international airports or important industries were all built by
acquiring land. Why oppose only NICE? BJP has been an urban party for
a long time, but you still have no single leader who can claim to
represent Bangalore.
Why such a void? There is no such void. We have many leaders. Such
problems exist in the Congress, which is why they had to go away from
Bangalore to decide on ticket distribution. We did it sitting in
Bangalore.
Mention five things you will do on a priority basis if you are voted
to power.
Ensuring drinking water in all the areas; laying underground
draianage, roads and necessary infrastructure in the newly-included
areas under the BBMP; developing and conserving lakes; making
rainwater harvesting compulsory; making Bangalore greener.
How many seats do you hope to bag? I am confident of getting a clear
majority.
What would the BJP do if it falls short of majority? Will it sit in
the opposition or engineer another 'Operation lotus'? The first
question does not arise because we are confident of getting a clear
majority. If the Congress and the JD(S) make any political conspiracy
we are ready to counter them by manoeuvring the situation.
BJP, Bollywood Ishtyle13 Comments | Post Comment
Tavleen Singh
Posted: Sunday , Mar 21, 2010 at 0140 hrs
This has been a most depressing week when seen from the perspective of
a political columnist. The new president of our main Opposition party
announced his new 'dream team' to revive the BJP and his list would be
hugely funny if it were not so pathetic. There are three actresses, a
cricketer, a fashion designer, a sprinkling of 'youth' leaders and a
former chief minister who is a misfit among the actresses.
Vasundhara Raje is the BJP's only leader in Rajasthan and instead of a
desk job in Delhi, should have been left as a formidable Opposition
leader in Jaipur. She lost the election by inches. But, it seems as if
the BJP has decided not to be a real Opposition party, only a
Bollywood version of one. It has to be said in Nitin Gadkari's defence
that from day one, when he burst into song at that first convention in
Indore, he indicated that despite his ample girth, he is a
lightweight. Not a bad singer but pointless since we have enough real
musicians; what we need desperately is a real Opposition party.
If we had a real Opposition party, six million tonnes of food grain
would not be rotting in Punjab while Parliament is in session. In a
country in which nearly half our children are malnourished, it is
beyond sickening that the Government of India can get away with stupid
excuses like 'not having enough warehouses'. Just put the wretched
grain in trucks and send it to organisations like Akshay Patra or just
give it free to village shops. Our TV channels did an excellent job
last week in emphasising that the grain is being eaten by rats while
children starve, but there is only so much the media can do. The rest
is in the hands of the Prime Minister and his Cabinet and why should
they do anything as long as there is no Opposition party to rub their
nose in the dirt?
If we had a real Opposition party, we would not be putting another Rs
30,000 crore of taxpayers money into 'cleaning' the Ganga and the
Yamuna until we know why twenty years of expensive effort failed to
clean our most sacred rivers. Before throwing more of our money down
the drain, should we not first be given some answers? One example. Why
was our money spent on building sewage treatment plants that do not
work when everyone knows that the only solution is to not allow any
sewage into these rivers in the first place?
But, what is the point in my depressing myself further with these
questions when I know that it is futile asking them until we have a
real Opposition party? If you need proof that we do not have one you
only need to have watched this last session of Parliament. In neither
the Lok Sabha nor the Rajya Sabha did we see the BJP raise any real
issues. Sushma Swaraj's interventions have been heavy on elocution and
low on content. She ends up sounding like someone trying to win first
prize in a college debate. Arun Jaitley supported the Women's
Reservation Bill as if his heart was really not in it. There is no
reason why it should have been. The Bill, as I pointed out in this
space last week, undermines the fundamental principles of Indian
democracy and should be strenuously opposed.
Even as I write those words, I slip further into gloom as the face of
Shri Lal Krishna Advani floats before my eyes. Not in the form of the
Hindutva hawk on that chariot to Ayodhya that left so much death and
hatred in its wake. But, as the tired, old man he now is. A tired, old
man who has nothing new to say, no future prospects, but who clings
shamelessly to the few crumbs of power that remain with him. In doing
so he destroys any chance the BJP has of renewal or even survival.
What was the point of him giving up his job as Leader of the
Opposition in the Lok Sabha if he refuses to give up control of the
parliamentary party?
The reality is that he has given up nothing. Mr Gadkari can take his
'dream team' of actresses and sportsmen and sing all the way back to
Mumbai and it would make no difference. There remains only one leader
in the BJP. He is a worn-out, jaded old man who appears determined to
destroy what remains of the party he once helped build. With only the
Commies on the Opposition benches, the Government can lapse safely
into complacent non-activity while we the people rely on our own
efforts to withstand a certain decline. Forgive me if I sound
seriously gloomy but it is a seriously gloomy time.
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Rotting Grain
By: K.C.Sharma | Monday , 22 Mar '10 16:51:07 PM
Rotting grain is really a shame when so many starvation deaths are
happening.But if the real figures can somehow, may be through RTI be
extracted from the Govt it will be found that so much money has been
spent on construction of go-downs and on the Food Corporation of India
that if the same money was spent by private traders there would be no
shortage of storage space.And grain would be available where required
through cash coupons distributed to the really needy. But the Govt
babu's and the socialistic politicians would have even then found a
way to pocket that money and the grain meant for the poor. You have
every right to rubbish the BJP but most of the blame lies at the door
of the socialistic dreams of our great leaders of fifties and sixties
who still control the mindset of our present leaders of the GOP.
Will BJP bounce back?
By: Neetu Banga | Monday , 22 Mar '10 12:16:43 PM
The party needs to stop talk on hard-line Hindutva and focus on
emerging as a true secular party.By inducting educated and positive
attitude people does not mean party will come back to power, it still
have long way to go to win the hearts of the people.
UNBALANCED CRITICISM
By: B.V.SHENOY | Monday , 22 Mar '10 11:56:56 AM
Tavleen Singh seems to have written this article with the editor
holding the secular gun to her head. The criticism of Gadkari and his
new team seems to be pointless and cheap. If Sunil Dutt can be a
politician, and the congress government can honour a dead actor
(M.G.Ramachandran) with Bharat Ratna (nothing less!), what is wrong
when Gadkari selects intelligent actors like Kiran kher for his
youthful team? Sidhu is a world reknown cricketer, a good human being,
a witty orator and a successful parliamentarian. Any party would feel
proud to have him in its national management team, But Tavleen has
nothing but derisive words for these young, politically savvy public
figures. By using vile language for Advani, you are only be exposing
your own lack of balance. Once in a way you may attempt writing about
the lady who runs the country from behind closed doors of 10 Janpath,
who doesn't know the A,B, C or D of Indian politics but lords over the
country. And please mind your language.
Corrupt Officers of FCI
By: Shiv M | Monday , 22 Mar '10 11:06:07 AM
FCI and its ministry has been making mockery of food storage System.
Dont they see how developed world store their grains in sylos and not
even a piece of grain goes waste and they can export same wheat to we
Indians with cheap prices with their so high labour cost. FCI
officials show these food grains as gone waste but at the same time
sell them to black market and pocket in 1000s of crores rs. this must
come to an end and no government agency should be allowed to buy and
misappropriate tha tax money of we common Indians. it's high time we
must stop these unchecked corruption or we and out chilren will die
out of malnutrition while these thugs and rats will get fatter and
fatter day after day.
TRUE OPPOSITION
By: NIRANJAN | Monday , 22 Mar '10 8:54:44 AM
OPPOSITION IN OUR COUNTRY IS ALWAYS TOO BUSY PULLING DOWN THE RULING
GOVT. BUT IT IS ALSO BUSY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE RULING
GOVT. COMES DOWN THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST BOWL TO COLLECT THE FALLOUT! I
WISH THE PARLIAMENTARIANS WOULD LOOK AT SOME DECENT COUNTRY'S SYSTEM
AND TRY NOT EMULATE POORLY RULED DICTATORSHIP LIKE COUNTRIES! ATRUE
OPPOSITION WOULD THINK FIRST OF THE COUNTRY AND THEN OF THE PARTY AND
THEN FOR INDIVIDUALS. IN OUR COUNTRY THE ORDER IS REVERSED.
How
By: Neelima Choahan | Monday , 22 Mar '10 7:53:38 AM
Dear Ms Singh, I am a great a admirer of yours. I have read you since
I was a child. I think you are the byword in Indian politics
commentary but what I cannot understand is how is that you manage to
criticize BJP even when you are berating the Congress. Or is it the
other way around? I hope we get rid of this useless government and of
course that cannot be done without a strong Opposition.
Professor Emeritus
By: DR. D. Prithipaul | Monday , 22 Mar '10 5:40:51 AM
Mrs. Tavleen Singh does not seem to get it. With the Prime Minister's
office sponsoring a third rate Bollywood actor with a Padma, it is
proof that the Government acquires its understanding of social
realities from Bollywood fillums. This being so Mrs. Singh's laments
function like mere whispers in the wind - however much she may be
right, as she always is. Is there a debate on the nature of the
reasons, for example, which she marshals against the allotment of a
third of parliamentary seats to women? How will the rural electorate
field its women candidates and what will be the criteria for the
selection of the latter?
STANGE TRUTH
By: V.K.CHAWLA | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 23:11:43 PM
IF THE BJP TAKES A ISSUE & MAKE RUCKUS IN PARLIAMENT , THE SO CALLED
MEDIA CRTICISE IT . EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT UPA GOVT. IS NOT WORRIED &
THEIR LEADERS ARE SAYING IT OPENELY THAT THEY GIVE TWO HOOTS TO ALL
THOSE WHO ARE CRYING - MEHANGAI - PRICE RISE, BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW
THE THE POOR PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO VOTE FOR THEM BY CLAIMING ONLY THEY
ARE SECULAR
Nitin Gadkari is not an outstanding leader at any stretch of
imagination.
By: Jay | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 20:15:55 PM
When the top level of any organization is occupied by mediocre people
they tend to choose mediocre or below people to work under him/her.
With more efficient and talented people they feel threatened. Nitin
Gadkari is not an outstanding leader at any stretch of imagination. He
is neither a good orator like Vajpayee-Advani nor have we read good
scholarly article from him unlike many other BJP leaders like Arun
Shourie. He may be a points man for RSS within BJP, but he can never
re-invent or re-energize the fast declining BJP party organization and
establish it as the main viable opposition.
Bashing BJP
By: R. Kapoor | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 19:15:41 PM
Only yesterday a Bollywood person, Shatrugan Sinha, a BJP stalwart and
a cabinet minister in NDA bashed Gadkari for neglecting some senior
members in the 'dream' team. Bollywood influence in BJP goes back many
years and is nothing new, however, recently it has become fashionable
for parties to exploit its presence. Didn't MNIK score one over the SS
and MNS in Maharashtra recently? We should not forget how SP tried to
enrope Sanjay Dutt, while already having Jaya Prada and Jaya Bahaduri
Bachachan being MPs. Why should we not forget Raj Babbar winning in
general elections as a Congress party candidate. Bollywood or in other
words the cinema world in India has been very prominent in politics,
especially in the South. So, it is wrong to criticise BJP vis-a-vis
Bollywood influence. I do agree with Tavleen, however, that BJP is in
'gloomy time.' Was Gadkari a racehorse that is expected to win the
Derby? With all the pessimism around BJP, can these dark clouds
disappear. I think they would.
bitter truth
By: savita | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 18:45:38 PM
very well said tavleenji
Nitin Gadkari is not an outstanding leader at any stretch of
imagination.
By: Jay | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 18:25:03 PM
When the top level of any organization is occupied by mediocre people
they tend to choose mediocre or below people to work under him/her.
With more efficient and talented people they feel threatened. Nitin
Gadkari is not an outstanding leader at any stretch of imagination. He
is neither a good orator like Vajpayee-Advani nor have we read good
scholarly article from him unlike many other BJP leaders like Arun
Shourie. He may be a points man for RSS within BJP, but he can never
re-invent or re-energize the fast declining BJP party organization and
establish it as the main viable opposition.
bitter truth
By: vikram | Sunday , 21 Mar '10 3:17:46 AM
Bitter truth. Tavleenji, you are great.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-bollywood-ishtyle/593498/0
Not summoned by SIT on March 21: Modi
Agencies
Posted: Monday , Mar 22, 2010 at 1813 hrs
Gandhinagar:
Modi's letter came following reports that he had boycotted the SIT
summons.
In an open letter, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Monday said
he shall respond to the SIT probing the 2002 Gujarat riots 'fully
respecting' the law, as he refuted reports that he had skipped
appearance before the panel on Sunday.
"SIT had not fixed March 21, 2010 for my appearance. To say that I was
summoned on March 21 is completely false. I shall respond to the SIT
fully respecting the law and keeping in view the dignity of a body
appointed by the Supreme Court," he said in an open letter.
Modi's letter came following reports that he had boycotted the SIT
summons. He said, "Truth cannot be suppressed. It is now my duty to
place before you the facts that brings out the importance of
understanding what the truth really is."
Elaborating his stand, he said, "After the 2002 Godhra incidents, I
had categorically said in the Vidhan Sabha and in public that no one
is above the Indian Constitution and the law, even if he happens to be
the chief minister of a state.
These are not mere words. My actions have reflected this statement in
its true spirit. I assure you that this would be my stand in the
future."
However, sources in the government said that Modi was seeking legal
help for which senior party leader and BJP MP in the Rajya Sabha from
Gujarat Arun Jaitley, who is a senior lawyer of the Supreme Court, has
arrived in the city.
BJP sources claimed that Jaitley would be looking into the summons
issued to Modi and give his legal opinion on what steps should be
taken. On Sunday, when Modi was summoned, SIT office was kept open
during the office hours from 1030 hrs to 1810 hrs.
In connection with Zakia's complaint, SIT has already recorded
statements of a number of persons named in her complaint which
include, former minister of state for Home Gordhan Zadafia, BJP leader
I K Jadeja, former BJP MLA from Lunawada Kalu Malivad and sitting MLA
from Mehsana Anil Patel, former IPS officer R B Sreekumar, social
activist Teesta Setalvad, IG Shivanand Jha, some other senior police
officers and political leaders.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/not-summoned-by-sit-on-march-21-modi/594116/0
'Marathi vs non-Marathi' narrow political agenda: Chavan
Agencies
Posted: Monday , Mar 22, 2010 at 1636 hrs
Mumbai:
Ashok Chavan reiterated that his govt was committed to the welfare of
all people who live in the state.
Describing the "Marathi versus non-Marathi" issue as the narrow
political agenda of few politicians, Maharashtra Chief Minister Ashok
Chavan on Monday said a placement agency owned by one such leader had
recruited 150 non-Maharashtrians.
"Their party's public stand says something and the leaders act
otherwise. I am not complaining," Chavan said without naming any party
during his reply to the motion of thanks to the Governor for his
address to the joint sitting of the state Legislature.
When the opposition benches asked Chavan to name the party and the
leader concerned, he said, "I would reveal the names at an appropriate
time."
Chavan said his government had an all-inclusive approach in its vision
for developing the state.
"Maharashtra belongs to all. My government is committed to the welfare
of all people who live here," he said.
Opposition members staged a walkout at the end of the Chief Minister's
speech criticising him for not spelling out the government's stand on
extension of statutory development boards whose term expires next
month.
He said his government was committed to the development of Marathi
language, art and culture.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/marathi-vs-nonmarathi-narrow-political-agenda-chavan/594098/
RSS feed: New BJP chief spikes journalists
21 March 2010
Coomi Kapoor in the Indian Express on the journalists' contingent in
the new team of BJP office-bearers.
This entry was posted on 21 March 2010 at 10:07 am and is filed under
A bit of fun, Magazines, Newspapers, People, Television.
http://wearethebest.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/rss-feed-new-bjp-chief-spikes-journalists/
Sunday, September 13, 2009
BJP laments stab by 'insider journalists'
PNS | New Delhi
It may still be trying to recover from the jolt dealt by insiders, but
the BJP believes that it has got another problem: 'friendly
journalists', who cannot remain 'insider' for too long.
An editorial in the latest issue of the party's organ Kamal Sandesh
has dwelt on the issue. It says, "There are journalists who wish that
BJP should run as per their whims. Any person — journalist included —
has a right to offer advice and opinion but how can it be that a
political party should follow, without exception, the diktats of some
journalists. If that doesn't happen, the political organisation turns
bad in their considered opinion."
That is not the only complaint of the party. "A scenario in which
journalists should turn a tool in the hands of an individual
politician does not augur well for either of the two. Our effort
should be to create a healthy balance in which neither the journalist
is a weapon in the hands of a politician nor should the latter have to
act as a shield for journalists."
Rajya Sabha MP Prabhat Jha, who is a former journalist and editor of
the party's magazine, stops short of taking names. "This write-up is
not against an individual. This is what an aam karyakarta (normal
workers) of the BJP feels."
The BJP has already made its displeasure widely known over some of the
articles and TV interviews by journalists and former journalists, who
had been closely associated with the party but later started behaving
like an 'independent entity'.
Jha says, "Even while working in a political party, they (friendly
journalists) wish to maintain their separate identity, something
special and different from the rest of the lot. An impression also
gains ground among karyakartas that these people originally from
journalism are senior karyakartas."
The BJP leaders would admit that this impression is not wrong too,
because they (friendly journalists) move about and communicate only
with higher echelons in the leadership and not with the lower rung of
political workers. "The respect and attention they get subject of envy
to others," the editorial in Kamal Sandesh reads.
The same write-up adds, "It is true that it is their duty to report
but the questions remains: how, when and where. This is a matter that
these wielders of the pen should ponder over. They have to ensure that
in the process of the performance this onerous duty to present the
ideology to the nation, mutual confidence, faith and respect does not
fall a casualty." And, the last word from the party organ: "We do
understand that journalism cannot be a synonym for bosom friendship
between a journalist and a politician. Yet, we have to stand firm at
our respective post of duty."
http://dailypioneer.com/202162/BJP-laments-stab-by-'insider-journalists'.html
Who are the journos 'running & ruining' the BJP?
25 August 2009
PRITAM SENGUPTA writes from New Delhi: Former Indian Express editor
Arun Shourie's explosive interview with the paper's current editor,
Shekhar Gupta, while revealing the deep schisms within India's
principal oppostion party, the BJP, has also once again thrown light
on the less-than-professional role political journalists have been
playing.
For the second time in two months, Shourie targetted "The Gang of Six"—
a pack of half-of-dozen journalists who, says the Magsaysay Award
winning investigative journalist, have been used (abused? misused?) by
various different sections of the BJP.
On Gupta's Walk the Talk interview for NDTV on Monday, Shourie said
his letter to the BJP president Rajnath Singh demanding accountability
in running the party had been dubbed as an act of indiscipline even
though that letter had remained confidential.
There were leaders, he says:
"…who had been planting stories against L.K. Advani, Rajnath Singh and
others through six journalists (and yet it's not called
indiscipline)".
At the BJP's national executive meeting in mid-June, shortly after the
party suffered a "nasty jolt" in the general elections, Shourie had
gone so far as to say that "the BJP was being run by six journalists"
who were "damaging the party interest".
On both occasions, Shourie hasn't named "The Gang of Six", but by
repeatedly talking about them has set tongues wagging.
However, the questions remain: is the BJP so feeble a party to be
felled by mere pen-pushers? If BJP leaders are using them to "plant"
stories against one another, are the journalists exceeding their brief
by allowing themselves to be used?
Is ex-editor Shourie sanctimoniously crying wolf or is this par for
the course in other parties too? Are editors and publishers of the
publications where the "Gang of Six" work aware of their journalists
being so used?
And if so, is it OK?
http://wearethebest.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/who-are-the-journos-running-ruining-the-bjp/
The sad and pathetic decline of Arun Shourie
16 February 2009
SHARANYA KANVILKAR writes from Bombay: Arun Shourie is one of the
strangest cases on the Indian intellectual landscape if not its most
disappointing. A living, walking, moving advertisement of how rabid
ideology can addle even the most riveting of minds, stripping it of
all its nuance and pretence; its very soul and humanity.
***
Once a fiery critic of Reliance Industries as editor of the Indian
Express, he was happy to deliver a eulogy at Dhirubhai Ambani's first
death anniversary; even changing the law as minister to benefit
Reliance Industries, as alleged by the son of Girilal Jain, the former
Times of India editor who held shares in the company, no less.
Once a symbol of middle-class integrity and probity for various scams
unearthed his watch, his stint as disinvestment minister was
pockmarked with allegation after allegation (although an unattributed
Wikipedia entry claims he was ranked "the most outstanding minister of
the Atal Behari Vajpayee government" by 100 CEOs).
A slow, scholarly, Chaplinesque demeanour hides a cold, clinical mind
that piles the rhetoric and the stereotypes on the poor, the
marginalised and the disenfranchised while taking up high faluting
positions on terrorism, governance, internal security and such like,
through long, meandering essays whose opacity could put cub
journalists to shame.
And, as always, selectively twisting and turning the facts to fit his
preconceived conclusion, and hoping no one will notice.
To paraphrase Ramachandra Guha, Shourie has become the Arundhati Roy
of the right:
"The super-patriot and the anti-patriot use much the same methods.
Both think exclusively in black and white. Both choose to use a 100
words when 10 will do. Both arrogate to themselves the right to hand
out moral certificates. Those who criticise Shourie are characterised
as anti-national, those who dare take on Roy are made out to be agents
of the State. In either case, an excess of emotion and indignation
drowns out the facts."
But what should disappoint even his most ardent fans, and there are
many young journalists, is how easily and effortlessly a pacifist
penman has regressed from "a concerned citizen employing his pen as an
effective adversary of corruption, inequality and injustice" (as his
Magsaysay Award citation read) to a hate-spewing ideological warrior
with fire blazing through his nostrils.
A son of a Gandhian who now openly advocates "two eyes for an eye and
a whole jaw for one tooth" with barely any qualms.
***
At a series of lectures in Ahmedabad on Saturday, Shourie bared his
fangs some more:
"India is still a passive country when it comes to taking a stand
against terrorism….
"It should, in fact, take an extremist stance and must prove that it
can also create a Kashmir-like situation in Pakistan.
"There are many places like Baluchistan, where a Kashmir-like
situation can be created but, "hum abhi bhi Panchsheel ke pujari hain
(We still worship the tenets of Panchsheel)"….
"Pakistan has been successfully carrying out destruction in India for
the last two decades and has still managed to escape problems, while
India on every occasion has failed to present a unified response to
terrorism and has suffered as a consequence…."
Really?
An eye for an eye? Two eyes for an eye? A jaw for a tooth?
In the name of Vivekananda, should India do unto Pakistan what
Pakistan has done to us? Is this a sign of vision on the part of a man
who some believe should be the next prime minister, or tunnel vision?
Is such barely disguised hatred and vengeance, hiding behind vedas and
upanishads, going to make the subcontinent a better place to live in?
Should the people of Pakistan, the poor, the marginalised, the
disenfranchised, pay the price for the sins of the generals?
Should a great, ancient civilisation become a cheap, third-rate,
neighbourhood bully?
Has Arun Shourie lost more than his soul and humanity?
Has Arun Shourie just lost it?
Photograph: courtesy The Hindu Business Line
http://wearethebest.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/the-sad-and-pathetic-decline-of-arun-shourie/
...and I am Sid Harth
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TOPIC: A MUST READ LETTER TO NON-MUSLIMS
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 8:32 am
From: uNmaivirumbi
On Mar 22, 12:02 am, "Qahir Al-Ashrar" <alrajul_almona...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> A MUST READ LETTER TO NON-MUSLIMS
>
> DR UMAR AZAM BA PHD DCL DIP.FJ DIP.IM
>
> Manchester, UK
>
> Dear Non-Muslim,
Can muslims answer:
1) Did Mohammad hear Koran directly from God? Did he say so? Is there
any evidence from the Koran it was directly from God? If not why do
you say it is from God?
2) Did Mohammad hear from an angel? Did Mohammad verify it was an
angel and how did he do that? If not why did he not do that and
claimed it was an angel? That too Jibreel?
3) was it not true that Khadija was the one who told him it could be
Jibreel and Mohammad did not think of that before?
4) How can God ask a 53 year old man to marry a six year old girl and
have sex with her at age 9? Did he masturbate on Ayesha even as a baby
as reported (thighing)?
5) Marrying a girl at age 9 is permitted in many Islamic countries by
law even in Saudi Arabia, is it not?
6) Does God allow a man to marry his adopted son's wife- Zainab?
7Does God allow a man to "marry" 17 year old Safiya Bint Huyay the
same night ( means sex) after murdering her husband, parents, brothers
in front of her? How old was Mohammad then? Why did Mohammad do all
this after Khadija died and never before?
8) Does God allow muslims as in Koran ( what the right hand possesses
also called ma malakat aymanukum in Koran), to capture nonmuslim women
and use them as sex slaves ( captured in war) - the real reason for
rape of nonmuslim women in many countries as this is okay as per Koran
9) Is it not true that Koran therefore is not from God at all? Could
never be? That it is satan's clever work hiding that as God's work?
Do you not think Koran is from the devil or a product of a crazed
psychopath who cooked up this?
Should you not abandon this cult and join civilized society and fight
for true dignity,progress peace and freedom?
Do you have to courage to face this and do what you have to do?
Can you really answer this or are you going to evade, abuse and curse
as usual?
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TOPIC: UK RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS FORCED TO REJECT HATE
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/dcfc2e198d269895?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 12:18 pm
From: "regn.pickfod"
Ray Fischer wrote:
> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hatred is not a good reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truth. Your hatred is not a good enough reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robust social f
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hatred of homoseuals is obvious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To you, in your head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to imprison and persecute gays. That is hatred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want the laws changed and I want Homosexuals to comply
>>>>>>>>>>>> with those laws and _not_ go to gaol.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You want to imprison and persecute gays. Hiding behind laws
>>>>>>>>>>> that you want is chickenshit cowardice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The laws were there many years before I was born.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They do not exist now, bigot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have existed and they will exist again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People reject your kind of hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't hate,
>>>>>
>>>>> You lie in order to justify making people suffer.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is hate.
>>>>
>>>> I tell the truth to help a known minority suffering a
>>>
>>> You're a liar and a bigot.
>>>
>> Homosexuals are known to have a higher than average
>> symptoms of mental disease.
>
> Is there no sleazy propaganda that you won't wallow in?
>
If you know anything about Homosexuals then you know it is
a known proven fact they are higher rates of self destrucive
tendencies. Are you saying that what I am saying is incorrect?
I will hsappily show you how ignorant you are (must be) of
the Homosexual lifestyle you strive to defend.
>> They have a higher incidence
>> of self destructive tendencies which means they have a mental
>> disorder
>
> You have a mental disorder therefore you should be in prison.
Bigotry is perfectly natural and perfectly healthy. It isn't a mental
illness but instead, an evolutionary trait.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 10:59 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regn.pickfod <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hatred is not a good reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truth. Your hatred is not a good enough reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robust social f
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hatred of homoseuals is obvious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To you, in your head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to imprison and persecute gays. That is hatred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want the laws changed and I want Homosexuals to comply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with those laws and _not_ go to gaol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to imprison and persecute gays. Hiding behind laws
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you want is chickenshit cowardice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The laws were there many years before I was born.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They do not exist now, bigot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They have existed and they will exist again,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People reject your kind of hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isn't hate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lie in order to justify making people suffer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is hate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tell the truth to help a known minority suffering a
>>>>
>>>> You're a liar and a bigot.
>>>>
>>> Homosexuals are known to have a higher than average
>>> symptoms of mental disease.
>>
>> Is there no sleazy propaganda that you won't wallow in?
>
>If you know anything about Homosexuals then you know it is
If I know anything about bigots it is that you care nothing for the
truth. You care only about rationaliziing your insane hatred.
>>> They have a higher incidence
>>> of self destructive tendencies which means they have a mental
>>> disorder
>>
>> You have a mental disorder therefore you should be in prison.
>
>Bigotry is perfectly natural and perfectly healthy.
Crazy people can never admit that they're crazy.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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