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Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 10:58 pm
From: Hunter


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Forwarded message from S. Kalyanaraman
>
> Intolerance kills


Coming from one of the most intolerant usenet posters in history that is
just magic............

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From: Sid Harth


What's New

Interviews for final Selection of awardees under the Scheme of
National Overseas Scholarship for SC etc. candidates for the Selection
Year 2008-09
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Quotation for Creative Design of Half Page Color Advertisement on
Republic Day 2010
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Deendayal Disabled Rehabilitation Scheme to promote Voluntary Action
for Persons with Disabilities (Revised DDRS Scheme)
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Persons with Disabilities Act, 1995-Comments / Suggestions Invited (15
KB) (PDF file that opens in a new window) )
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http://socialjustice.nic.in/pdf/noticepwd.pdf

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NGO Partnership System (101 KB) (PDF file that opens in a new window)
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Scheme for Incentives to employers providing Employment to the Persons
with Disabilities in the Private Sector (Hindi Version of Scheme for
Incentives to employers providing Employment to the Persons with
Disabilities in the Private Sector)
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Advertisement for inviting applications under the Scheme of National
Overseas Scholarship for SCs etc. Candidates for the selection year
2009-10 (78 KB) (PDF file that opens in a new window)
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Published on 14-04-2007 In National
Viewed 2935 times | Written by Cho Ramaswamy
Social injustice

Karnataka government's ignoring rulings of the courts' in the Cauvery
tangle is unjust. The Kerala regime's brazen contempt for judgements
in the Mullaperiyar issue is the worst example of chutzpah. But, the
Tamil Nadu has attempted to do something worse against the Supreme
Court by organising a general strike against its interim pronouncement
because it is supposed to be "social justice."

The Apex Court had spoken its mind in the matter of 27 percent
reservation for "Other Backward Castes" in higher education and
ordered an interim stay on the law in this respect. Though the TN
government opposed and decried the ruling as do most political parties
in the length and breadth of the nation, this is the only state that
dovetailed its allies' [and the entire opposition's] support for a
state sponsored "bandh."

Senior counsel Vijayan has pointed out a hitherto unnoticed aspect of
this issue.

"When the case came up for the first time, its plaintiffs – a certain
youths' association was in the process of organising a strike.

The Supreme Court's interim orders, at that point in time, were in
favour of the government which had opposed it. Forced to accept the
call of the courts, the body called off its mass action. Now, the
state government has acted in a manner so as to insult the voice of
the judiciary. Shouldn't the present regime exhibit the same sense of
responsibility shown earlier by a voluntary organisation," Vijayan
demands to know.

The Supreme Court expressed itself explicitly while ordering an
interim stay in the matter of reservation in education.

The court reiterated its earlier orders which had clearly stated that
the reservations cannot exceed 50 percent…This upper limit [aimed to
keep out] the creamy layer within the Backward Castes was an aspect of
the [collective] wisdom expressed in the articles enshrined in The
Constitution. If breached, this would defeat the very purpose of the
assurance of "equal opportunities" which are the bedrock of all our
laws, the court said. Ensuring that reservations do not go beyond the
prescribed 50 percent limit, that all those who have already been
benefited by the statute are kept beyond its purview and prevention of
their indefinite continuance are the duty of the government.
Backwardness cannot be a permanent feature and therefore ought not to
become endless, the court reflected in its interim order.

These above sentiments expressed by the courts have been stressed in
many articles published several times in Thuglak.

This time, the Supreme Court has pointed out that the census of 1931
cannot be the basis to determine OBCs. Further it said that such an
old yardstick cannot be accepted as the justification for 27 percent
reservation in [central] educational institutions.

Those who oppose these averments of the Apex Court naturally point to
the fact that it did not question reservations in government jobs. But
these sections have failed to comprehend a simple facet of the whole
issue. Different articles in the Constitution have dealt with
reservations in jobs and educational institutions separately and have
differentiated between the two.

While tackling the matter of reservations in jobs, the Constitution
clearly says they are applicable only "to those Backward Classes which
do not have adequate representation."

Shorn of legalese, this means that the founding fathers of our
Constitution had accepted the fact that certain sections of the
population weren't represented in government posts.

But the statute doesn't accept this premise while dealing with the
issue of reservations in educational institutions. The article that
deals with this matter clearly says that the special arrangement is
meant for the uplift of "socially and educationally backward sections"
of the population that encompasses "oppressed and scheduled castes
[and] tribes…"

Since this was based on the situation that prevailed in 1931 [when the
last census was conducted] questions are bound to be raised about its
present applicability.

If this distinction between jobs and education is understood, nobody
would say that the two are on an equal plane.

Between the creation of our Constitution and the present day,
different amendments were made to include several sections in the
populace purely to increase political parties' vote banks. This
resulted in those who depended on merit being totally outnumbered in
blatant violation of the tenets of equality stated clearly in the
Constitution.

Every time the courts opposed such moves, political parties assailed
the judiciary as a matter of habit. The present order of the Supreme
Court isn't a final denouement. Yet, several political outfits are
condemning it as such. The Tamil Nadu government simply went a step
further and organised a "bandh."

"On what basis can the ruling party in Tamil Nadu insist on our
obeying the Supreme Court in the Cauvery and Mullaperiyar issues," is
a poser bound to be raised by the ruling [coalitions] in Karnataka and
Kerala respectively.

Naturally the two "K" states can demand the right to be on an equal
footing with Tamil Nadu in ignoring the Supreme Court!

On several occasions, for different reasons, the powers that be in
many states as well as at the centre have accorded short shrifts to
judgements pronounced in courts. At times, they have rendered their
orders meaningless by amending the laws.

It may happen on this occasion as well.

The words of the judiciary have tasted bitter to governments
regardless of their being regional or national because the courts base
their orders on the Constitution while ruling political arrangements
treaded a different measure due to political conveniences.

The latest imbroglio is an attempt on the part of the political
parties to decimate the bulwarks of democracy enshrined in our laws –
equality and justice for all. If the political class succeeds in its
quest, it would be meaningless to call ourselves a democratic state.
The alibi for this – the cause of "social justice" – is its very
antithesis.

(Translated from Thuglak by TSV Hari)

http://indiainteracts.in/columnist/2007/04/14/Social-injustice-/

Social injustice

Social justice in India means many things to most people. It is a coin
that offers the solution on one side, and promises to retain its
premium value if the extent of social injustice is allowed to grow on
the other. The side that pays the most during election-time is not the
one that has the solution. To the authors of the Constitution ushering
in social justice was an honest commitment with an unrealistic time-
limit. It was this error in the original document that allowed the
political class to turn the policy of job reservation into an
opportunity for creating a captive vote-bank. The two-day national
convention of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, and other backward
communities in Mhow, Madhya Pradesh, organised by the Bharatiya Janata
Party is the latest example of the scale of confusion that politicians
are willing to create by making promises that fly in the face of law
and logic. Of course, since every political party is now playing the
Dalit card, why should the BJP not follow the policy? In the highly
competitive political game of appearing to be different from the other
in championing the Dalit cause, parties are constantly inventing new
agendas. The BJP convention in Mhow has promised to introduce job
reservation in the private sector.

Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Digvijay Singh stole the Dalit thunder
last year by organising a conference of Dalit intellectuals that
adopted a charter of action called the Bhopal Declaration. With
assembly elections round the corner, the BJP has decided to offer
everything short of the moon to break the Congress' grip over the
levers of power in Madhya Pradesh. Real issues becoming "victims" of
narrow and self-defeating politics have slowed down India's march
towards economic progress. Population control is a real issue, that no
party wants to touch for the odium attached to it because of Sanjay
Gandhi. Social justice was a low-key issue until 1989. After Mr V. P.
Singh implemented the Mandal Commission report on job reservation, no
leader has shown the moral courage to question the rationale of a
policy that has increased the level of general tension without
offering social and economic emancipation to the country's vast
underclass. Adopting a resolution is not going to make the private
sector offer jobs without applying the test of merit. Creation of
merit will help the Dalits join the expanding mainstream of
professional excellence without having to feel small in the eyes of
their colleagues. How about a policy that allows Dalits admission in
the best schools in the country? That is where the foundations of
academic excellence are laid. Thereafter, merit alone should be the
benchmark for admission to premium professional courses. Creating
social tension by expanding the size of job reservation will some day
cause an explosion that would make the post-Mandal riots in the
country look like a mild tantrum.

Satyameva jayate

The Union Cabinet's nod to a proposal to make "truth a defence" in
contempt cases where aspersions have been cast against a judge is
laudable, in that it can remove a gross discrepancy. So far, the
contempt law has been an exception to the fundamental right to the
freedom of speech and expression guaranteed by the Constitution.
Actually, the Contempt of Court Act, 1971, is silent on whether truth
can be a defence. Perhaps the law was taciturn on this issue because
it was considered inconceivable that a judge could be fallible. But
this silence was interpreted in some cases to mean that even if an
aspersion was true, it still constituted a contempt of court because
it lowered the authority and dignity of the court. While attempting to
remove this grey area, the government has rather enhanced the
authority of the judiciary because the judges occupy such an exalted
place in society that fingers should not be pointed at them, not just
because the law says so, but because the people at large actually
consider them to be beyond reproach. If there is foolproof evidence
against any member of the fraternity that he erred, then the person
making the allegation should not be hauled over coals just because the
wrongdoer happened to be a judge. This immunity was liable to be
misused. One black sheep could have brought a bad name to the entire
community. Even if the unthinkable did not happen, there were chances
that people's faith in the integrity of the judges would not be as
unflinching as it should be.

Many countries like Australia and New Zealand already have truth as
defence in contempt cases. The Cabinet's decision that can make the
judiciary more accountable without compromising its autonomy is in
line with the proposals of the National Commission to Review the
Working of the Constitution (NCRWC). In fact, many legal luminaries
have been supporting the move strongly. Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer had
advocated in a signed article last year that "… truth and good faith
must be reinstated as sound defences, so that a judge who has
something to hide may be exposed to the … light of truth". As he had
concluded in the Mulgaokar case dealing with "unsavoury" allegations
against a senior sitting judge, "a benign neglect, not judicial
intemperance, is the sensible therapy of contempt law". If a political
consensus develops on the proposal, the contempt law can be changed
without amending the Constitution.

Welcome move on Kashmir
Why peace must be pursued
Praful Bidwai

Whatever one's reservations about Mr Atal Behari Vajpayee's political
style and his party's ideology, one must heartily and unstintingly
welcome his decision to visit Kashmir and launch an initiative for
reconciliation and peace. His visit was undoubtedly a landmark: on
April 18, he became India's first Prime Minister to address a public
meeting in the valley since the "azadi" militancy broke out in 1989.
This is itself commendable. It also speaks of a positive change in
ground reality. His visit, coming six months after the largely free
and fair Legislative Assembly elections, has kindled new hopes, If his
overture is followed up with wise and purposive moves, we could see
some real progress in resolving one of the most troubled, complex and
bloody disputes in the world.

In Srinagar, Mr Vajpayee attempted a "double whammy". He held out the
"hand of friendship" to Pakistan, significantly, from Kashmiri soil.
And he offered a dialogue between the Centre and different currents of
opinion in Jammu and Kashmir. Both offers were soon hedged in with
conditions. And yet, they indicate a welcome softening of New Delhi's
stance. The change of tone and tenor has outlasted the somewhat
dampering effect of the qualifying statements Mr Vajpayee himself made
the following day, reiterating that the talks leading to peace with
Pakistan would only take place once there is an end to cross-border
terrorism. Yet, the impact of the new tone and tenor is welcome.

Of the two initiatives, on Pakistan, and on domestic arrangements
pertaining to Jammu and Kashmir, the first is both more important and
likelier to succeed more quickly than the second — for three reasons.
First, Pakistan has responded remarkably positively to India's offer
of a dialogue and said it is willing to hold it "any time, at any
place and any level." It has added that it hopes to work out specific
dates for negotiations "within days". Second, there is growing
recognition within both governments that they cannot indefinitely
sustain their mutual hostility. They are under increasing pressure
from the major powers to defuse rivalry and reach mutual
accommodation.

Only six months ago, India and Pakistan were all ready to go to war.
The reasons why they didn't basically continue to hold today. The
global situation emerging after the Iraq war has discomfited both by
highlighting their own vulnerability on account of the Kashmir and
nuclear issues. Washington, in its most aggressively unilateralist and
expansionist phase today, has threatened to extend the Iraq conflict
and also turn its attention to South Asia. On March 31, Secretary of
State Colin Powell told The New York Times that "the whole of the
subcontinent's problems" were part of the "broad agenda" that the US
plans to address soon. South Asian tensions have figured prominently
in the deliberations of Russia, France and Britain too, who have all
called for an India-Pakistan dialogue.

And third, a certain momentum favouring a short time-frame for an
India-Pakistan meeting has been generated, with the planned visit to
South Asia of US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage in early
May. Despite the latest suicide attacks by militants, it is likely
that both India and Pakistan will make some positive gestures just
ahead of that visit. Minister of State for External Affairs Digvijay
Singh says there is already some clarity on certain "modalities" for a
possible India-Pakistan summit and its agenda. More important, Mr
Armitage will probably mediate informally between the two governments
and "facilitate" a future summit — just as he brokered peace between
them twice last year.

This doesn't argue that a Vajpayee-Musharraf meeting will certainly
happen or succeed. After all, even one terrorist act in India, whether
or not sponsored by Pakistan, can scuttle it altogether. Its success
will depend on how far the two governments are prepared to move away
from their stated "first positions" and explore a new detente or
agenda of peaceful coexistence.

This, in the first place, means they must accept that war is simply
not an option. Neither side can win it. Their nuclear capability has
been a "great leveller". Nuclear wars cannot be won; they must never
be fought.

To make the summit successful, Islamabad will have to drop its
traditional emphasis on a plebiscite on Kashmir and 50-year-old UN
Security Council resolutions. More important, it will have to
verifiably give up supporting militant violence in Kashmir as an
instrument to coerce India to the negotiating table. It has to
recognise that its support to terrorist militants who kill innocent
civilians at will done nothing to advance the cause of the Kashmiri
people. New Delhi too must do something so that the issue is opened
up. The Kashmiri people must be involved in settling it.

India must take the Shimla Agreement of 1972 seriously. Under it, all
bilateral issues are to be resolved through peaceful discussion. So
far, New Delhi has cited the Shimla accord mainly to oppose a
multilateral dialogue — but never once discussed Kashmir bilaterally
with Pakistan. Changing all this won't be easy, but if a robust
beginning is made on the basis of some mutually accepted principles,
the process of reconciliation could get rolling. At times like these,
process is everything.

The biggest obstacles here will be the hawks in the two countries who
have a stake in perpetuating a state of mutual hostility. In Pakistan,
they are jehadi Islamists both inside and outside the army. In India,
they are the BJP's right-wingers who oppose reconciliation with
Pakistan.

This time around, the BJP has supported Mr Vajpayee's peace gesture,
but somewhat reluctantly. Its first response on April 18 was to oppose
it. Earlier, it enthusiastically welcomed External Affairs Minister
Yashwant Sinha's diatribe against Pakistan as a "fitter case" than
Iraq for pre-emptive war. Ideological antipathy to Pakistan apart,
this is an important election year for the BJP. In four major Assembly
elections it is pitted against the Congress. Rather than embark on a
new, uncertain, Kashmir and Pakistan policy, it might be tempted to
fall back upon a hawkish line which appeals to its urban elite
constituency.

Piloting a peace process in such a situation will need statesmanship.
Even more difficult will be the domestic Kashmir reconciliation
agenda. Here, the Centre has no clarity whatsoever, although people
like Mr Vajpayee sense that J&K today offers a great opportunity
because of its relatively credible election, and the installation of a
state government which generates hope with its "healing touch".

However, the Centre is fumbling at the level of strategy. It said it
would talk to all those who abjure violence. Yet, it refused to invite
the All-Parties Hurriyat Conference, representing 23 different groups,
to talks. But it should know that there is little political sense in
talking only to "elected representatives", for most of whom J&K's
integration with India is unproblematic. It is the others that it must
win over. They include the APHC. The Hurriyat's influence may have
declined. But it still represents a significant current of opinion in
Kashmir. The Hurriyat would, of course, like the government to apply
the "Nagaland formula" to Kashmir: talks at a high political level;
exclusively with one group; and a ceasefire. In reality, there are too
many differences between Kashmir and Nagaland, and the APHC and the
NSCN. But talking to the Hurriyat on a non-exclusive basis is surely
necessary.

A breakthrough on Kashmir will probably have to wait upon serious
progress in India-Pakistan relations. But the process of
reconciliation must start, both internally and externally. Far too
much is at stake — not least, the lives of millions who could turn
into radioactive dust should war break out. There is simply no
alternative to peace.

MIDDLE

Pathbreaking research!
S. Raghunath

A reader writing to the "letters" column of a national newspaper has
said that the principal reason for the continued brain drain from the
country is that peons in India are paid more and enjoy a better status
than scientists.

The All-India Confederation of Peons (AICP) has taken strong exception
to the tone and tenor of the letter calling it in poor taste and
lacking perspective and smacking of an anti-peon bias.

Talking to mediapersons, a spokespeon said: "We peons have been at the
receiving end of malicious and motivated attacks for far too long and
it's about time we took a stand. In actual fact, peons are
spearheading pathbreaking research in some of the most esoteric fields
and their work promises to push back the frontiers of knowledge and
pure science. Let me briefly elaborate."

"Visitors to government offices might have seen surly and ill-tempered
peons sitting motionless for hours on end on rickety wooden stools.
Actually, this is part of an ongoing and well-funded research in three-
dimensional structural analysis and dynamics of lattice bodies whose
object is the development of a one-legged wooden stool for use by
peons in government offices. Just imagine the savings in scarce wood
that will result from the development of one-legged stools!"

Continuing, the spokespeon said: "We peons are heavily involved in
research in greenfield areas of behavioral sciences and reaction of
human psyche under deliberate stress. We let visitors who call at
government offices to transact legitimate business wait for hours on
end, all the while smirking and giving maddeningly vague and evasive
answers to the query, 'Will I have to wait much longer to see the
sahib?' and under controlled clinical conditions, we study the stress
caused by our overbearing attitude. I ask you, have Carl Jung or
Sigmund Freud done any work in these fields of human psychology? We
peons are doing it and what do we get in return? Only brickbats and
not bouquets."

"You'll be interested to know that peons are also actively pursuing
research in fibre chemistry and textiles. We wear the same khaki
uniform for up to 11 months without washing them even once and we're
studying the metabolism of sweat glands on khaki cloth. We hope to
soon achieve a breakthru' in the development of sweat resistant
artificial fibres and textiles.

"No aspect of science and research has escaped our attention and we're
heavily into medical research, too. Peons of our New Delhi chapter and
working in South Block and Shastri Bhavan are engaged in studying the
effect of caffeine in coffee and tea in cardiac functions of well-
heeled babus and they have observed marked clinical symptoms like
lethargy in disposing of important files and tying the red tape, but
alacrity in demanding higher dearness allowance to neutralise the
rising wholesale price index. They have submitted learned papers to
the Lancet and the British Medical Journal and they are being held
over for publication."

The spokespeon concluded: "So you can see for yourself that we peons
are working away from the glare of publicity and contributing our
humble mite to the advancement of scientific research and
progress."

Sanskrit faces uncertain future in Punjab
Jangveer Singh

A part of the Punjab Institute of Oriental and Indian Languages in
Patiala which has been declared unsafe. — Photo Subhash

Imagine a college with three windowless rooms measuring 12 by 12 feet,
having half-broken small wooden benches-cum tables, half of which have
been placed in the lone verandah of the institution. It is housed in a
building, part of which is unsafe and out of bounds for the students.

This is the Punjab Institute of Oriental and Indian languages in
Patiala. In 1963 the institute was named the Government Institute of
Oriental and Modern Indian Languages, Patiala. Before that, it was
known as the Sanskrit Vidyala. It is the oldest Sanskrit institution
in the state having been set up as early as 1860.

This institution, which was once the pride of the state, has been
ignored for decades. It now houses another institution - the
Government Sanskrit Mahavidyala of Nabha - which was transferred to
Patiala in October, 2002. This effectively means there are three small
rooms, a verandah which, on many occasions, is used as a classroom,
and a library hall for the staff of the Sanskrit institution, which
now goes by the high-flying name of Institute of Oriental and Indian
Languages.

"The government has changed the name to give the impression that it
was creating a new institution in which it was merging the Nabha
college", says one of the teachers of the institution. He adds the
government has not given even a single paisa for the new institution,
that shows how concerned it is even about maintaining the lone
Sanskrit teaching institution of its kind. The institution does not
have even a single room which can be rightly called a classroom. There
are some rooms on the first floor which are used by the Government
Primary and Middle School. An order to vacate the rooms was passed by
a former Deputy Commissioner, Mr Jasbir Singh Bir.

The teacher says part of the college has been renovated through a Rs 1
lakh grant given by former Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal during a
Sangat Darshan programme. The amount was used to strengthen the roof
of the library hall and its adjacent verandah, besides renovating two
rooms, now occupied by the office staff. "This has ensured that at
least the roof will not fall on our heads", remarks the teacher,
adding that part of the building seems to be beyond repairs and has
been sealed off to ensure that no student steps inside.

But the four teachers at the Sanskrit Mahavidyala, Nabha, didn't have
a safe roof above. Their college was closed and they were told to
report for duty at the Patiala institute in October last year. Three
of the teachers joined duty at Patiala, while the fourth is fighting
it out in court.

The Nabha institution was run by Acharya Sadhu Ram before it was taken
over by Maharaja Hira Singh of Nabha. Subsequently, it was taken over
by the Pepsu government and, finally, by the Punjab Government on the
Pepsu state's merger. A teacher, Basant Lal, now posted at the Patiala
institution, says the institution was upgraded to a college in 1972
and was earlier housed in the Nabha fort from where it was shifted to
a government building. However, when the building was declared unsafe,
it was shifted to a rented building in 1983. In March, 2002 the
college management was asked not to make new admissions on the plea
that the building was unsafe and the students' strength had also
declined. The college was subsequently merged with the Patiala
institution to form a new institution.

The institutions may have had a tragic history, but sadder still is
the fate of the Sanskrit language in the state. The student strength
in the new institute has come down to an all-time low of 29 against
last year's 45. Teachers blame this on lack of any reservation for
students going in for the Shastri graduate course, which is taught
only in Sanskrit. They say the students have to compete for jobs with
students with Sanskrit at the graduation level in which it is taught
in the Hindi medium. "If this is the respect given by the government
to an advanced Sanskrit course, there is little hope for Sanskrit, its
teachers or Sanskrit institutions in the state", add the teachers.

Panjab University's low priority to top centre
Ravinder Sud

A view of the V.V.B. institute of Sanskrit at Hoshiarpur

The Vishveshvaranand Vishav Bandhu Institute of Sanskrit and
Indological Studies located at Sadhu Ashram, Hoshiarpur, is fast
losing the very purpose for which it was set up about 100 years ago on
account of the indifferent attitude of the authorities of Panjab
University, Chandigarh.

This world-renowned research institute, situated on the outskirts of
Hoshiarpur city on the Una road and run by Panjab University, offers
five-year postgraduation courses in Shastri and Acharya. There are 75
students, including 30 girls and five research scholars. They are
generally from Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana and Jammu and
Kashmir. Stipends are given to the students of oriental studies.

Dr Damodar Jha, a former Chairman of this institution, tells The
Tribune that there are only 14 teachers as against the sanctioned
posts of 32. Four of them are above 60 and four others are going to
retire shortly. None of the posts, which had fallen vacant on the
retirement of any teacher in the past, was filled.

Besides, the university authorities have shifted six posts from here
to Chandigarh. This has not only adversely affected the studies of
students, but also research work in Sanskrit and indological studies,
including Vedic interpretation.

There is no hostel facility for girl students and the hostel for boys
is run in the rented building of Vishveshvaranand Vedic Research
Institute, adds Dr Jha.

This institute has a big library having 73,408 books, 2,676 hand-
written manuscripts, 123 research journals and 3,093 photocopies of
rare books which are out of print now. But this institution has not
been developed further, he complains.

Tracing its genesis, Prof Inder Kumar Uniyal, Director, VVRI, says
that in 1903 Swami Vishveshvaranand and Nityanand started an office in
Shimla for preparing word indices of the four principal Vedic Samhitas
and a dictionary of the texts. The word indices were issued in four
volumes in 1908-10 and considerable basic material was collected for
the dictionary.

In 1924 the office was shifted to Lahore where it was put under the
charge of Acharya Vishva Bandhu. Under him, the scope of the institute
was widened so as to include the study of different branches of
indology. The institute also set up a teaching wing with classes for
MA, Vidyavachaspati and Shastri in Sanskrit and Prabhakar in Hindi.
Panjab University, Lahore, gave a grant of Rs 1,000 in 1936-37 and an
equal amount in 1937-38.

The university accorded recognition to the work done by the institute
by publishing "A Vedic Word Concordance" and a complete etymological
dictionary.

After partition, the institute got uprooted from Lahore. After much
suffering and loss, it was restarted on its present premises at Sadhu
Ashram, Hoshiarpur.

In 1957, at the instance of the institute, Panjab University opened
its Department of Devanagari Transcription of South Indian
Manuscripts.

Earlier in 1950, Panjab University had extended affiliation to the
institute for starting various courses of study in Hindi and Sanskrit
and the University Grants Commission began to give liberal financial
aid to the institute. The same year the institute extended its
academic activity to Chandigarh by setting up a research centre
there.

In the beginning of 1965, Panjab University made a proposal that the
institute, while continuing to function from Hoshiarpur and
maintaining its entity, should integrate itself with the university.
This proposal was accepted. Accordingly, a part of the institute was
taken over by the university under the new name Vishveshvaranand
Institute of Sanskrit and Indological Studies (VISIS).

At present 12 research projects, including the compilation of a
dictionary of Vedic interpretation, are being pursued. There is a long
list of 49 research works in various fields of indology published by
this institute.

The Manuscript and Text Editing Section has a collection of more than
10,000 ancient manuscripts, of which 8,360 were catalogued
descriptively in the volume and were published in 1959. A
supplementary catalogue dealing with the remaining manuscripts came to
light in 1975. However, with the transfer of the Lal Chand collection
of rare books and manuscripts to DAV College, Chandigarh, the
institute now has about 2,300 ancient manuscripts.

The VVRI has published 16 volumes of Vedic Concordance of more than
1,1000 pages. The compilation of the dictionary of Vedic
interpretation, which was started by the late Acharya Vishav Bandhu in
1965, is yet to be completed.

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Key Texts on Social Justice in India
Published by Sage Publicatio...

Editors: Roohi, Sanam Samaddar, Ranabir
ISBN: 978 81 321 0064 5
Format: Hardback
Pages: 1116
List price(s): 150.00 GBP
Publication date: 30 May 2009

Short description

A compendium of key texts on social justice. It brings out the
relational nature of justice as well as the fragmented nature of its
existence. It explores how law fares in delivering justice, how
violence becomes an essential part of the popular notion of justice
and how the dynamics of justice is linked with the emergence of
marginal situations.

Full description

Volume I: Social Justice and Enlightenment: West Bengal is edited by
Pradip Kumar Bose, Professor of Sociology, Centre for Studies in
Social Sciences, Calcutta, Kolkata and Samir Kumar Das, Professor of
Political Science, Calcutta University, Kolkata. This first volume of
the series The State of Justice in India: Issues of Social Justice is
a collection of writings on the state of social justice in the present-
day West Bengal. It studies the strong disjunction between the notion
of enlightened politics, on which the constitutional Left in West
Bengal has thrived for several decades, and social justice. The
articles probe the question: is there a necessary connection between
the politics of communism and attainment of social justice? Social
Justice and Enlightenment: West Bengal is based on ethnographic
studies which suggest that while there is a general regime of justice
in West Bengal, the rule of law as the main mechanism of justice makes
little sense in the presence of specific local judicial practices. It
questions why the archaic rule of law still remains fundamental in the
state governance and concludes that the West Bengal experience
demonstrates that while democracy may widen through the mass entry of
workers, peasants and the rural and urban poor, and though this may
facilitate long-denied political justice for them, this does not
ensure social justice per se. Volume II: Justice and Law: The Limits
of the Deliverables of Law is edited by Ashok Agrwaal, Lawyer,
researcher and civil rights activist and Bharat Bhushan, Editor of the
Daily Mail Newspaper . This second volume of the series The State of
Justice in India: Issues of Social Justice brings together the tension
that brews between law and justice in India. It begins with how our
legislators had engaged in the discourse on justice at the time of the
making of the constitution. The articles highlight the way law has
created dichotomies in its attempt to be the guardian for justice. The
authors have coined the idea of 'justice gap', which unveils the gap
between the claims for justice and governmental regime of justice.
Justice and Law: The Limits of the Deliverables of Law also deals
extensively with the issue of reservation. It has one article
documenting the history of reservations in India, in the background of
political contentions, elections, and judicial activism. The other
article traces how the 'policy game' goes on in the language of courts
and law. Both the articles indicate how the issue of justice is
closely linked to the issue of expansion of democracy. Another article
measures the success of the legal system in providing justice to those
in the margins. This one-of-its-kind book will be an invaluable
resource for academics and researchers studying sociology, law, social
justice, political theory and Indian democracy. It will also be useful
for human rights activists, policy makers, policy analysts and NGOs.
Volume III: Marginalities and Justice is edited by Paula Banerjee,
Head of the Department of South and South East Asian Studies,
University of Calcutta, Kolkata and Mahanirban Calcutta Research
Group, Kolkata and Sanjay Chaturvedi, Professor of Political Science
at the Centre for the Study of Geopolitics and Honorary Director,
Centre for the Study of Mid-West and Central Asia, Panjab University,
Chandigarh. This third volume of the series The State of Justice in
India: Issues of Social Justice shows how marginalities in social
spaces marked by power raise the issue of justice. It deals with the
situation of people living in the margins of the society and their
relationship with communities that enjoy enough material well being to
secure their rights. It reveals how effective governance
unintentionally uses strategies of inclusion, exclusion, differential
exclusion, and, most importantly, techniques of turning spaces into
'marginal enclaves', giving rise to injustice, and thereby, the demand
for justice. Marginalities and Justice demonstrates that justice may
emanate from the dynamics of marginality. The same governmental
techniques that to some extent address issues of social justice, may
produce marginal positions too. Thus, this collection suggests the
existence of a remainder; it demonstrates what remains outside the
operations of governmentality and explores the arrangement of social
spaces. Volume IV: Key Texts on Social Justice in India is edited by
Sanam Roohi, Programme Associate, Mahanirban Calcutta Research Group,
Kolkata and Ranabir Samaddar, Director, Mahanirban Calcutta Research
Group, Kolkata. This fourth volume of the series The State of Justice
in India: Issues of Social Justice is a compendium of key texts on
social justice. It brings out the relational nature of justice as well
as the fragmented nature of its existence. Key Texts on Social Justice
in India explores how law fares in delivering justice, how violence
becomes an essential part of the popular notion of justice and how the
dynamics of justice is linked with the emergence of marginal
situations. Each article is, on one hand, an appeal for justice, and,
on the other, a manifesto that state actions fall short of ensuring
justice. This compilation is meant for the students and researchers
working in the fields of justice, sociology and law. It will serve as
supplementary text in law as well as a source book that gives a
comprehensive analysis of justice in the Indian scenario.

Table of contents

VOLUME I: SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ENLIGHTENMENT: WEST BENGAL - Pradip Kumar
Bose and Samir Kumar Das Series Acknowledgement - Ranabir Samaddar
Series Introduction - Ranabir Samaddar Introduction - Pradip Kumar
Bose and Samir Kumar Das Land Acquisition Act and Social Justice: A
Study on Development and Displacement - Ratan Khasnabis Two Leaves and
a Bud: Tea and Social Justice in Darjeeling - Roshan Rai and Subhas
Ranjan Chakrabarty Deprivation and Social Injustice in a Rural
Context: An Ethnographic Account - Kumar Rana with Amrit Paira and Ila
Paira On the Wrong Side of the Fence: Embankment, People and Social
Justice in the Sundarbans - Amites Mukhopadhyay Prescribed, Tolerated,
& Forbidden Forms of Claim Making - Ranabir Samaddar VOLUME II:
JUSTICE AND LAW: THE LIMITS OF THE DELIVERABLES OF LAW - Ashok Agrwaal
and Bharat Bhushan Series Acknowledgement - Ranabir Samaddar Series
Introduction - Ranabir Samaddar Introduction - Ashok Agrwaal and
Bharat Bhushan Justice in the Time of Transition: Select Indian
Experiences - Sabyasachi Basu and Ray Chaudhury The Founding Moment:
Social Justice in the Constitutional Mirror - Samir Kumar Das Indexing
Social Justice in India-A Story of Commissions, Reports and Popular
Responses - Bharat Bhushan Trivializing Justice: Reservation Under
Rule of Law - Ashok Agrawaal The Fallacy of Equality: 'Anti-Citizens',
Sexual Justice and the Law in India - Oishik Sircar VOLUME III:
MARGINALITIES AND JUSTICE - Paula Banerjee and Sanjay Chaturvedi
Series Acknowledgement - Ranabir Samaddar Series Introduction -
Ranabir Samaddar Introduction - Paula Banertjee and Sanjay Chaturvedi
Gulamiya Ab Hum Nahi Bajeibo: Peoples' Expressions for Justice in
Jehanabad - Manish K Jha Ethnography of Social Justice in Dalit Pattis
(Hamlets) of Rural UP - Badri Narayan Tiwari Rights and Social Justice
for Tribal Population in India - Amit Prakash AIDS, Marginality and
Women - Paula Banerjee Towards Environmental Justice Movement in
India? Spatiality, Hierarchies and Inequalities - Sanjay Chaturvedi
VOLUME IV: KEY TEXTS ON SOCIAL JUSTICE IN INDIA - Sanam Roohi and
Ranabir Samaddar Series Acknowledgement - Ranabir Samaddar Series
Introduction - Ranabir Samaddar PART I. DEVELOPMENT AND DISCONTENT:
THE QUESTION OF INJUSTICE Section Introduction Ethnic Politics and
Land Use: Genesis of Conflicts in India's North-East - Sanjay Barbora
Contexts and Constructions of Water Scarcity - Lyla Mehta Karnataka:
Kudremukh: Of Mining and Environment - Muzaffar Assadi Report of
Investigation into Nandigram Mass Killing - Sanhati Eroded Lives:
Riverbank Erosion and Displacement of Women in West Bengal - Krishna
Bandyopadhyay, Soma Ghosh and Nilanjan Dutta PART II. SOCIAL JUSTICE:
THE STATE AND ITS PERCEPTIONS Section introduction The Communal
Violence (Prevention, Control and Rehabilitation of Victims) - Bill
The National Trust for Welfare of Persons with Autism, Cerebral Palsy,
Mental Retardation and Multiple Disabilities Act, 1999 The Right to
Information Act, 2005 The National Rehabilitation and Resettlement
Policy, 2007 The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005
PART III. JUSTICE: LAW AND BEYOND Section Introduction Illegality and
Exclusion: Law in the Lives of Slum Dwellers - Usha Ramanathan Illegal
Coal Mining in Eastern India: Rethinking Legitimacy and Limits of
Justice - Kuntala Lahiri Dutt Verdict on an HIV case, Supreme Court of
India Reproduced in Medhina - Laya, Dipika Jain and Colin Gonzalves An
Indian Charter for Minority Rights - Sabyasachi Basu and Ray Chaudhury
PART IV. WOMEN AND MARGINALITY: An Issue of Gender Justice Section
Introduction Gender: Women and HIV - Medhini, Laya, Dipika Jain and
Colin Gonzalves National Policy for the Empowerment of Women (2001)
Women, Trafficking and Statelessness in South Asia - Paula Banerjee
PART V. JUSTICE: Marginal Positions and Alternative Notions Section
Introduction Voices From Folk School of Dalit Bahujan & Marginalised
to Policy Makers - Peoples Vigilance Committee on Human Rights Social
Assessment of HIV/AIDS among Tribal People in India - NACP III
Planning Team Caste is Dead, Long Live Caste - G P Deshpande Tehelka
Debate: Beyond Caste - Puroshottam Agarwal Report from the Flaming
Fields of Bihar PART VI. FREEDOM AND EQUALITY, RIGHTS AND SOCIAL
SECURITY: BUILDING BLOCKS OF JUSTICE Section Introduction Jungle Book:
Tribal Forest Rights Recognised For First Time - Nandini Sundar
Informal Sector in India: Approaches for Social Security Arguments,
Protests, Strikes and Free Speech: The Career and Prospects of the
Right to Strike in India - Rajeev Dhavan Democracy and Right to Food -
Jean Dreze

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Retro-modern India. Forging the Low-caste Self
Published by Routledge

Author: Ciotti, Manuela
ISBN: 978 0 415 56311 6
Format: Hardback
Pages: 312
List price(s): 55.00 GBP 95.00 USD
Publication date: 23 February 2010

Short description

Set in the socio-political milieu of the state of Uttar Pradesh in
north India, this book puts forward an original theoretical approach
to analyse subaltern configurations of modernity within the nation
state. It substantiates this approach by weaving the low-caste
Chamars' core ethical concerns of humanism with ethnographic accounts
of resilient — as well as newly forged — socio-economic hierarchies,
internalised ideologies of betterment and reform, and the social race
for progress where contestants are very often same-nation citizens.

Full description

Firmly situated within the analytics of the political economy of a
north Indian province, this book explores self-fashioning in pursuit
of the modern amongst low-caste Chamars. Challenging existing accounts
of national modernity in the non-West, the book argues that subaltern
classes shape their own ideas about modernity by taking and rejecting
from models of other classes within the same national context. While
displacing the West — in its colonial and non-colonial manifestations
— as the immanent comparative focus, the book puts forward a unique
framework for the analysis of subaltern modernity. This builds on the
entanglements between two main trajectories, both of which are viewed
as the outcome of the generative impetus of modernisation in India:
the first consists of the Chamar appropriation of socio-cultural
distinctions forged by 19th-century Indian middle classes in their
encounter with colonial modernity; the second features the Chamar
subversion of high-caste ideals and practices as a result of low-caste
politics initiated during the 20th century. The author contends that
these conflicting trends give rise to a temporal antinomy within the
Chamar politics of self-making, caught up between compulsions of a
past modern and of a contemporary one. The eclectic outcome is termed
as 'retro-modernity'. While the book signals a politics of becoming
whose dynamics had previously been overlooked by scholars, it
simultaneously opens up novel avenues for the understanding of non-
elite modern life-forms in postcolonial settings.

The book will interest scholars of anthropology, South Asian studies,
development studies, gender studies, political science and
postcolonial studies.

Table of contents

Orthography and Transliteration.
Glossary of Selected Terms. Foreword. Acknowledgements.

1. Chamar Modernity: Progressing into the Past

2. 'Today We Can Touch Anything': Reflections on the Crux of Identity
and Political Economy

3. Ethnohistories behind Local and Global Bazaars: Chronicle of a
Weaving Community and its Disappearance

4. 'We Used to Live like Animals': Education as a Self- and Community-
engineering Process

5. Nonrational Modernity? Religious Agency, Science and Spirits

6. Beyond the Vote: Politics as Sociality, Imagination and Identity

7. The Bourgeois Woman and the Half-naked One: Gendering Retro-
modernity

8. The Politics of Indian Modernity. Bibliography. About the Author.
Index.

Biography

Manuela Ciotti is a social anthropologist with a PhD from the London
School of Economics. She is currently Research Associate at the Centre
for South Asian Studies, University of Edinburgh. She has published
several articles in leading journals on topics ranging from education,
labour ethnohistory, gender and class transformation, and women's
political activism.

Drawing on research she carried out during the tenure of a Nuffield
Foundation New Career Development Fellowship, Ciotti is completing her
second monograph entitled Political Agency and Gender in India
(forthcoming). An edited volume entitled Femininities and
Masculinities in Indian Politics (forthcoming) develops the different
aspects of the gender and politics nexus. Ciotti's focus on South
Asian Studies is intertwined with her interests in anthropological
epistemologies and the politics of location and representation;
converging on these, a monograph provisionally entitled 'Producing
Knowledge in Late Modernity: Lessons from India' is under preparation.


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Jinnah and Tilak: Comrades in the Freedom Struggle
Published by Oxford Universi...

Author: Noorani
ISBN: 978 0 19 547829 7
Format: Hardback
Pages: 350
List price(s): 15.99 GBP
Publication date: 26 August 2010

Short description

The distinguished Indian lawyer and writer, A. G. Noorani, urges his
readers in this incisively argued book to look again at some of the
key events and personalities in the struggle against British colonial
rule in India.

Full description

The distinguished Indian lawyer and writer, A. G. Noorani, urges his
readers in this incisively argued book to look again at some of the
key events and personalities in the struggle against British colonial
rule in India. He begins with 'the forgotten comradeship' between
Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak.
Whatever their other differences, both felt passionately about the
cause of Indian freedom. Jinnah defended Tilak in his trial in 1916 on
sedition charges, and ultimately secured his acquittal. The full text
of the legal proceedings, including Jinnah's powerful speeches for the
defence, are included as an appendix. After Tilak's death in 1920,
Jinnah continued to work closely with political leaders of all
persuasions and was regarded by the British as one of their most
formidable opponents. Noorani argues that only in 1937, following the
conflict over the formation of the provincial ministry in the United
Provinces, did Jinnah abandon his hopes of working jointly with
Congress to achieve independence. Noorani is firmly of the view that
Jinnah wanted a loose confederation in which the rights of the Muslim
population were fully guaranteed rather than the separate state of
Pakistan as it eventually emerged in 1947. He discusses Jinnah's
tactics during the crucial months in 1946 when the Cabinet Mission
Plan was on the table, and argues that the Plan offered a viable
possibility of avoiding Partition. In his opinion, the blame for its
failure rests squarely with Congress and with Gandhi in particular,
although trust and imagination were in short supply on all sides. The
book includes three additional essays by the author, on respectively
why the Suhrawardy-Bose plan for a united Bengal failed, the failure
to provide effective safeguards for minorities in the partition
scheme, and the Haroon report of 1940, together with the text of some
key documents.

Table of contents

CONTENTS LIST;

PREFACE;

1. A Forgotten Comradeship;

2. After Tilak: Jinnah and Gandhi's Congress;

3. The Widening Divide;

4. Wrecking India's Unity;

5. The Gandhi-Cripps Pact;

6. Demise of the Cabinet Mission's Plan;

7. An Embittered Separation;

8. The United Bengal Episode;

9. Assessing Jinnah;

APPENDICES;

1. JINNAH'S DEFENCE OF TILAK: THE COURT PROCEEDINGS;

2. JINNAH'S BATTLES FOR PRESS FREEDOM;

3. THE LUCKNOW PACT, 1916;

4. JINNAH'S 14 POINTS, 1929;

5. JINNAH-RAJENDRA PRASAD PACT, 1934;

6. THE LAHORE RESOLUTION, 1940;

7. STAFFORD CRIPPS' OFFER 1942;

8. THE C.R. FORMULA 1944;

9. JINNAH'S OFFER OF 12 MAY 1946;

10. THE CONGRESS' OFFER OF 12 MAY 1946;

11. THE CABINET MISSION'S PLAN OF 16 MAY 1946;

12. THE MUSLIM LEAGUE WORKING COMMITTEE'S RESOLUTION ON 31 JANUARY
1947 AT KARACHI;

13. THE PARTITION PLAN OF 3 JUNE 1947;

14. JINNAH'S SPEECH TO PAKISTAN'S CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY ON 11 AUGUST
1947;

15. SIR CHIMANLAL SETALVAD'S ARTICLE ENTITLED 'INDIA DIVIDED: WHO IS
TO BLAME FOR PARTITION?' THE TIMES OF INDIA; 15 JUNE 1947;

16. MAULANA HASRAT MOHANI'S POEM ON TILAK; AND (A) URDU ORIGINAL (B)
ENGLISH TRANSLATION;

17. JINNAH AND THE MUSLIMS OF INDIA; 18. THE HAROON REPORT

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Key Texts on Social Justice in India
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IndiaSocial issuesLaw & society

Editors: Roohi, Sanam Samaddar, Ranabir
ISBN: 978 81 321 0064 5
Format: Hardback
Pages: 1116
List price(s): 150.00 GBP
Publication date: 30 May 2009

Short description

A compendium of key texts on social justice. It brings out the
relational nature of justice as well as the fragmented nature of its
existence. It explores how law fares in delivering justice, how
violence becomes an essential part of the popular notion of justice
and how the dynamics of justice is linked with the emergence of
marginal situations.

Full description

Volume I: Social Justice and Enlightenment: West Bengal is edited by
Pradip Kumar Bose, Professor of Sociology, Centre for Studies in
Social Sciences, Calcutta, Kolkata and Samir Kumar Das, Professor of
Political Science, Calcutta University, Kolkata. This first volume of
the series The State of Justice in India: Issues of Social Justice is
a collection of writings on the state of social justice in the present-
day West Bengal. It studies the strong disjunction between the notion
of enlightened politics, on which the constitutional Left in West
Bengal has thrived for several decades, and social justice. The
articles probe the question: is there a necessary connection between
the politics of communism and attainment of social justice? Social
Justice and Enlightenment: West Bengal is based on ethnographic
studies which suggest that while there is a general regime of justice
in West Bengal, the rule of law as the main mechanism of justice makes
little sense in the presence of specific local judicial practices. It
questions why the archaic rule of law still remains fundamental in the
state governance and concludes that the West Bengal experience
demonstrates that while democracy may widen through the mass entry of
workers, peasants and the rural and urban poor, and though this may
facilitate long-denied political justice for them, this does not
ensure social justice per se. Volume II: Justice and Law: The Limits
of the Deliverables of Law is edited by Ashok Agrwaal, Lawyer,
researcher and civil rights activist and Bharat Bhushan, Editor of the
Daily Mail Newspaper . This second volume of the series The State of
Justice in India: Issues of Social Justice brings together the tension
that brews between law and justice in India. It begins with how our
legislators had engaged in the discourse on justice at the time of the
making of the constitution. The articles highlight the way law has
created dichotomies in its attempt to be the guardian for justice. The
authors have coined the idea of 'justice gap', which unveils the gap
between the claims for justice and governmental regime of justice.
Justice and Law: The Limits of the Deliverables of Law also deals
extensively with the issue of reservation. It has one article
documenting the history of reservations in India, in the background of
political contentions, elections, and judicial activism. The other
article traces how the 'policy game' goes on in the language of courts
and law. Both the articles indicate how the issue of justice is
closely linked to the issue of expansion of democracy. Another article
measures the success of the legal system in providing justice to those
in the margins. This one-of-its-kind book will be an invaluable
resource for academics and researchers studying sociology, law, social
justice, political theory and Indian democracy. It will also be useful
for human rights activists, policy makers, policy analysts and NGOs.
Volume III: Marginalities and Justice is edited by Paula Banerjee,
Head of the Department of South and South East Asian Studies,
University of Calcutta, Kolkata and Mahanirban Calcutta Research
Group, Kolkata and Sanjay Chaturvedi, Professor of Political Science
at the Centre for the Study of Geopolitics and Honorary Director,
Centre for the Study of Mid-West and Central Asia, Panjab University,
Chandigarh. This third volume of the series The State of Justice in
India: Issues of Social Justice shows how marginalities in social
spaces marked by power raise the issue of justice. It deals with the
situation of people living in the margins of the society and their
relationship with communities that enjoy enough material well being to
secure their rights. It reveals how effective governance
unintentionally uses strategies of inclusion, exclusion, differential
exclusion, and, most importantly, techniques of turning spaces into
'marginal enclaves', giving rise to injustice, and thereby, the demand
for justice. Marginalities and Justice demonstrates that justice may
emanate from the dynamics of marginality. The same governmental
techniques that to some extent address issues of social justice, may
produce marginal positions too. Thus, this collection suggests the
existence of a remainder; it demonstrates what remains outside the
operations of governmentality and explores the arrangement of social
spaces. Volume IV: Key Texts on Social Justice in India is edited by
Sanam Roohi, Programme Associate, Mahanirban Calcutta Research Group,
Kolkata and Ranabir Samaddar, Director, Mahanirban Calcutta Research
Group, Kolkata. This fourth volume of the series The State of Justice
in India: Issues of Social Justice is a compendium of key texts on
social justice. It brings out the relational nature of justice as well
as the fragmented nature of its existence. Key Texts on Social Justice
in India explores how law fares in delivering justice, how violence
becomes an essential part of the popular notion of justice and how the
dynamics of justice is linked with the emergence of marginal
situations. Each article is, on one hand, an appeal for justice, and,
on the other, a manifesto that state actions fall short of ensuring
justice. This compilation is meant for the students and researchers
working in the fields of justice, sociology and law. It will serve as
supplementary text in law as well as a source book that gives a
comprehensive analysis of justice in the Indian scenario.

Table of contents

VOLUME I: SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ENLIGHTENMENT:

WEST BENGAL - Pradip Kumar Bose and Samir Kumar Das

Series Acknowledgement -

Ranabir Samaddar Series Introduction -

Ranabir Samaddar Introduction -

Pradip Kumar Bose and Samir Kumar Das Land Acquisition Act and Social
Justice: A Study on Development and Displacement -

Ratan Khasnabis Two Leaves and a Bud: Tea and Social Justice in
Darjeeling -

Roshan Rai and Subhas Ranjan Chakrabarty Deprivation and Social
Injustice in a Rural Context: An Ethnographic Account -

Kumar Rana with Amrit Paira and Ila Paira On the Wrong Side of the
Fence: Embankment, People and Social Justice in the Sundarbans -

Amites Mukhopadhyay Prescribed, Tolerated, & Forbidden Forms of Claim
Making -

Ranabir Samaddar

VOLUME II: JUSTICE AND LAW: THE LIMITS OF THE DELIVERABLES OF LAW -

Ashok Agrwaal and Bharat Bhushan Series Acknowledgement -

Ranabir Samaddar Series Introduction -

Ranabir Samaddar Introduction -

Ashok Agrwaal and Bharat Bhushan Justice in the Time of Transition:
Select Indian Experiences -

Sabyasachi Basu and Ray Chaudhury The Founding Moment: Social Justice
in the Constitutional Mirror -

Samir Kumar Das Indexing Social Justice in India-A Story of
Commissions, Reports and Popular Responses -

Bharat Bhushan Trivializing Justice: Reservation Under Rule of Law -

Ashok Agrawaal The Fallacy of Equality: 'Anti-Citizens', Sexual
Justice and the Law in India -

Oishik Sircar

VOLUME III: MARGINALITIES AND JUSTICE -

Paula Banerjee and Sanjay Chaturvedi Series Acknowledgement -

Ranabir Samaddar Series Introduction -

Ranabir Samaddar Introduction -

Paula Banertjee and Sanjay Chaturvedi Gulamiya Ab Hum Nahi Bajeibo:
Peoples' Expressions for Justice in Jehanabad -

Manish K Jha Ethnography of Social Justice in Dalit Pattis (Hamlets)
of Rural UP -

Badri Narayan Tiwari Rights and Social Justice for Tribal Population
in India -

Amit Prakash AIDS, Marginality and Women -

Paula Banerjee Towards Environmental Justice Movement in India?
Spatiality, Hierarchies and Inequalities -

Sanjay Chaturvedi

VOLUME IV: KEY TEXTS ON SOCIAL JUSTICE IN INDIA -

Sanam Roohi and Ranabir Samaddar Series Acknowledgement -

Ranabir Samaddar Series Introduction -

Ranabir Samaddar

PART I. DEVELOPMENT AND DISCONTENT: THE QUESTION OF INJUSTICE

Section Introduction Ethnic Politics and Land Use: Genesis of
Conflicts in India's North-East -

Sanjay Barbora Contexts and Constructions of Water Scarcity -

Lyla Mehta Karnataka: Kudremukh: Of Mining and Environment -

Muzaffar Assadi Report of Investigation into Nandigram Mass Killing -

Sanhati Eroded Lives: Riverbank Erosion and Displacement of Women in
West Bengal -

Krishna Bandyopadhyay, Soma Ghosh and Nilanjan Dutta

PART II. SOCIAL JUSTICE: THE STATE AND ITS PERCEPTIONS Section
introduction The Communal Violence (Prevention, Control and
Rehabilitation of Victims) -

Bill

The National Trust for Welfare of Persons with Autism, Cerebral Palsy,
Mental Retardation and Multiple Disabilities Act, 1999

The Right to Information Act, 2005

The National Rehabilitation and Resettlement Policy, 2007

The Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act, 2005

PART III. JUSTICE: LAW AND BEYOND

Section Introduction

Illegality and Exclusion: Law in the Lives of Slum Dwellers -

Usha Ramanathan Illegal Coal Mining in Eastern India: Rethinking
Legitimacy and Limits of Justice -

Kuntala Lahiri Dutt Verdict on an HIV case, Supreme Court of India
Reproduced in Medhina -

Laya, Dipika Jain and Colin Gonzalves An Indian Charter for Minority
Rights -

Sabyasachi Basu and Ray Chaudhury

PART IV. WOMEN AND MARGINALITY: An Issue of Gender Justice Section
Introduction Gender: Women and HIV -

Medhini, Laya, Dipika Jain and Colin Gonzalves National Policy for the
Empowerment of Women (2001)

Women, Trafficking and Statelessness in South Asia - Paula Banerjee

PART V. JUSTICE: Marginal Positions and Alternative Notions Section
Introduction Voices From Folk School of Dalit Bahujan & Marginalised
to Policy Makers -

Peoples Vigilance Committee on Human Rights Social Assessment of HIV/
AIDS among Tribal People in India - NACP III Planning Team Caste is
Dead, Long Live Caste -

G P Deshpande Tehelka Debate: Beyond Caste -

Puroshottam Agarwal Report from the Flaming Fields of Bihar

PART VI. FREEDOM AND EQUALITY, RIGHTS AND SOCIAL SECURITY: BUILDING
BLOCKS OF JUSTICE

Section Introduction Jungle Book: Tribal Forest Rights Recognised For
First Time -

Nandini Sundar Informal Sector in India: Approaches for Social
Security Arguments, Protests, Strikes and Free Speech: The Career and
Prospects of the Right to Strike in India -

Rajeev Dhavan Democracy and Right to Food -

Jean Dreze

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Social Justice: Sunset or Dawn
Published by Eastern Book Co...

Author: Iyer, V.R.Krishna
ISBN: 978 81 7012 144 2
Format: Hardback
Pages: 176
List price(s): 12.00 GBP
Publication date: 23 July 2008

Short description

Contains lectures that make an impassioned plea for social justice for
India's poor millions who the author says have been denied social
justice by the three great wings of the government the Executive, the
Judiciary and the Parliament.

Full description

Justice Krishna Iyer is a great proponent of social justice. In these
lectures he makes an impassioned plea for social justice for India's
poor millions who he says have been denied social justice by the three
great wings of the government the Executive, the Judiciary and the
Parliament. A prolific writer, Justice Krishna Iyer is known for his
hard hitting but eloquent lectures and writings. First published under
the title, Some Half Hidden Aspects of Indian Social Justice , the
book was sold out within a very short period of time. It has now been
enlarged and two new chapters have been added. The Bhopal Gas Tragedy
case has been given wide treatment, as also other current issues.

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Politics of Social Exclusion in India, The
Published by Routledge

Editors: Bhattacharyya, Harihar Sarkar, Partha Kar,
Angshuman
ISBN: 978 0 415 55357 5
Format: Hardback
Pages: 208
List price(s): 80.00 GBP 130.00 USD
Publication date: 7 December 2009

Short description

Social exclusion and inclusion are issues of fundamental importance to
democracy. Using an interdisciplinary approach, this book examines at
the multidimensional problems of social exclusion and inclusion, and
the long-term issues facing contemporary Indian democracy.

Table of contents

Introduction - Harihar Bhattacharyya, Partha Sarkar, and Angshuman
Kar

1. Some Theoretical Issues Concerning Social Exclusion and Inclusion
in India - Sobhanlal Datta Gupta

2. Social Exclusion and the Strategy of Empowerment - T. K. Oommen

3. Identity Politics and Social Exclusion in India's North-East: The
Case for Redistributive Justice - N. K. Das

4. Inclusion in Nationhood: Bhudev Mukhopadhyay's Concept of
Jatiyabhav - Harihar Bhattacharyya

5. Rabindra Nath Tagore's Concept of Social Exclusion and Inclusion in
India: A Nation without Nationalism - Jyotirmay Bhattacharyya

6. Identity and Social Exclusion-Inclusion: A Muslim Perspective -
Asghar Ali Engineer

7. Inclusive and Exclusive Development in India in the Post-Reform Era
- Provat Kuri

8. Social Exclusion in India: Evidences from the Wage Labour Market -
Rajarshi Majumdar

9. Polavaram Dam Project: A Case Study of Displacement of Marginalized
People - Sudipti Banerjea

10. Purity as Exclusion, Caste as Division: The Ongoing Battle for
Equality - Jasbir Jain

11. Narrating Gender and Power: Literary and Cultural Texts and
Contexts - Sanjukta Das Gupta

12. The Fire and the Rain: A Study in Myths of Power - Anima Biswas

13. Conclusion: Democracy at the Crossroads - Harihar Bhattacharyya,
Partha Sarkar, and Angshuman Kar List of Contributors

Biography

University of Burdwan, India

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Social Movements I: Issues of Identity
Published by Oxford Universi...

Editor: Oommen
ISBN: 978 0 19 806327 8
Format: Hardback
Pages: 272
List price(s): 24.99 GBP
Publication date: 31 January 2010

Short description

This volume brings together a selection of readings on movements
related to religion and caste, as well as regionalism, and linguistic
and tribal movements in India, examining them with respect to the
construction and perception of identity.

Full description

In the ongoing process of social transformation, new identities are
often constructed, while existing identities may mutate or transform,
and some might even be rendered obsolete. Social Movements I: Issues
of Identity, part of the Oxford in India Readings in Sociology and
Social Anthropology (OIRSSA) series, examines the phenomenon of social
movements in India with respect to the construction and perception of
identity. It brings together a selection of readings on movements
related to religion and caste, as well as regionalism, and linguistic
and tribal movements in India. It specifically addresses (a) the
abbreviation and even abrogation of identities versus elaboration of
identities; (b) the tensions between group identity and individual
equality believed to be pulling in opposite directions; (c) identity
as the basis of inclusion and exclusion of citizens in the
participatory processes in the polity and economy; and (d) perceiving
identity of minorities as a source of threat for the nation and the
state by the dominant majority, as against invoking identity as the
route to justice by the weak/dominated minorities. These issues are
relevant in situating identitarian movements in the wider context.
This reader will be useful for students and scholars of sociology,
anthropology, social history, Indian politics, and those studying
Indian society and social movements in particular.

Table of contents

PREFACE, ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS;

GENERAL INTRODUCTION: ON THE ANALYSIS OF SOCIAL MOVEMENTS (T.K.
OOMMEN);

SECTION I - RELIGIOUS AND CASTE MOVEMENTS;

INTRODUCTION TO SECTION I;;

1. Socio-religious Movements of the Twentieth Century (Kenneth W.
Jones);;

2. Ethno-religious Mobilization and the Politics of Secularism
(Christophe Jaffrelot);;

3. Caste and Conversion Movements (Walter Fernandes);;

4. Different Shades of Dalit Mobilization (Vivek Kumar);;

5. The Tabhlighi Jama'at: The Making of a Transnational Religious
Movement (Shail Mayaram);;

SECTION II - REGIONAL, LINGUISTIC AND TRIBAL MOVEMENTS;

INTRODUCTION TO SECTION II;;

6. Foundations of the Dravidian Movement (Robert L. Hardgrave);;

7. The Shiv Sena Movement (Dipankar Gupta);;

8. The Assam Movement (Sanjib Baruah);;

9. Tribal Solidarity Movements in India (Surajit Sinha);;

10. Christian Conversion Movements in the North East (Frederick S.
Downs); Notes on Contributors

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Social Movements II: Concerns of Equity and Security
Published by Oxford Universi...

Editor: Oommen
ISBN: 978 0 19 806328 5
Format: Hardback
Pages: 376
List price(s): 26.99 GBP
Publication date: 31 January 2010

Short description

This reader brings together a selection of writings on peasant and
labour movements; women and students youth movements; and ecological
and environmental movements. It discusses contemporary social
movements in India from the perspective of equity and security.

Full description

Inequity manifests in different forms in different contexts - it could
based on income disparity, gender, and class, and impact different
aspects of society. Social Movements II: Concerns of Equity and
Security, part of the Oxford in India Readings in Sociology and Social
Anthropology (OIRSSA) series, examines the phenomenon of social
movements in India with respect to the concerns of equity and security
as two forces behind contemporary social movements. The issue of
equity is concerned not only with income and class but is also related
to ideas of development and distributive justice for peasantry and
labour. It is also the focus of groups such as women and the youth,
which occasion protests and mobilizations. Moreover, in the current
scenario, booming economies, soaring populations, and choices of
development strategies have a bearing on the rise of social movements
related to ecology and the environment. This reader brings together a
selection of essays that explore the various dimensions of equity, and
also covers issues of environmental and ecological security. These are
imperative in situating related social movements in the wider context.
This reader will be useful for students and scholars of sociology,
anthropology, social history, Indian politics, and those studying
Indian society and social movements in particular.

Table of contents

PREFACE; ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS; GENERAL INTRODUCTION: ON THE ANALYSIS OF
SOCIAL MOVEMENTS (T.K. OOMMEN);

SECTION I - PEASANT AND LABOUR MOVEMENTS;

INTRODUCTION TO SECTION I;;

1. Indian Peasant Uprisings (Kathleen Gough);;

2. Naxalbari Peasant Movement (Partha N. Mukherji);;

3. The Bhoodan Gramdaan Movement (T.K. Oommen);;

4. . The new Farmer's Movement in Maharashtra (D.N. Dhanagare);;

5, The Indian Labour Movement: Growth and Character (S.M. Pandey);;

6, Changing Industrial Relations: India, 1950-2000 (Debashish
Bhattacharjee);;

7. Labour Activism and Women in the Unorganised Sector (Supriya Roy
Chowdhury);;

SECTION II - WOMEN AND STUDENTS YOUTH MOVEMENTS;

INTRODUCTION TO SECTION II; ;

8. Changing Terms of Political Discourse: Women's Movement in India,
1970s-1990s (Indu Agnihotri and Vina Mazumdar);;

9. The Anti-dowry Movement in Delhi (Rajni Palriwala);;

10. The Self-Employed Women's Association (Martha A. Chen);;

11. The Transformation of the Indian Students' Movement (Philip G.
Altbach);;

12, Student Power: Mobilization and Protest (T.K. Oommen);

Section III - Ecological and Environmental Movements;

Introduction to Section III;;

13. Ecology Movements in India (Vandana Shiva);;

14. . Parks, People and Protest: The Mediating Role of Environmental
Action Groups (Ranjit Dwivedi);;

15. . Protest against Displacement by Development Projects (T.K.
Oommen);

Notes on Contributors;

Index

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Sovereignty and Social Reform in India: British Colonialism and the
Campaign Against Sati

Published by Routledge

Author: Major, Andrea
ISBN: 978 0 415 58050 2
Format: Hardback
Pages: 192
List price(s): 75.00 GBP 125.00 USD
Publication date: 30 June 2010

Short description

Offers an important reinterpretation of major themes of sovereignty,
authority and social reform in colonial South Asian history. Focusing
on the British prohibition of sati in 1829, this book shows how the
debates that preceded this legislation have been instrumental in
setting the terms of post-colonial debates about sati.

Full description

This book offers an important reinterpretation of major themes of
sovereignty, authority and social reform in colonial South Asian
history. Focusing on the British prohibition of sati in 1829, the
author shows how the debates that preceded this legislation have been
instrumental in setting the terms of post-colonial debates about sati,
as well as of defining the terms and parameters of British involvement
in Indian social and religious issues more generally.

Table of contents

1. Introduction 2. Princes, Politics and Pragmatism: British Policy on
Sati in the Indian States 1830-1860 3. Prohibition, Prevention and
Prosecution: The Practicalities of Suppressing Sati 4. Romance, Race
and Rule: Imagining Sati in Rajput Society 5. Victimhood and Volition:
British Encounters with the Satimata 6. Conclusion

Biography

Andrea Major is Lecturer in Wider World History at the University of
Leeds. Her research interests relate to the nature of the colonial
encounter between Britain and India, and in particular their
interaction on social and gender issues.

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>>> homosexual behavior in private. Admittedly Turing was not buried
>>> alive under a wall pushed over by a tank. He was offered a choice
>>> between two years in prison (can you imagine how the other prisoners
>>> would have treated him?) and of course a hormone injections which
>>> could be said to amount to chemical castration, and would have
>>> caused him to grow breasts"
>> Do you really think suicide was a reasonable and rational choice?
>> This is further evidence of Homosexual's known defects in rational
>> behaviour leaning to acts of self harm. A good reason why
>> Homosexuality should be reconsidered as a mental illness and treated
>> as a mental illness .
>>
> Yep I knew a nazi scum like you would support something like that.
> Yes it is reasonable. Do you know how he would have been treated in
> jail? He would have the crap beaten out of him.
>

So I'm Nazi scum cause I don't think it is reasonable or rational for
Homosexuals to suicide ?

I have an idea how he would have been treated in gaol. Many people
go to gaol. Sane people don't consider suicide as a reasonable
or rational alternative.

Now if the guy had been declared a nutter, it is likely he wouldn't
have been sent to gaol, though I am no expert on 1954 Pommy
sentencing procedure.

Though I suspect the suicide had more to do with the social disgrace
and shame of being outed as a Poofter than some fear of being bashed.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnBooks:How_to_be_Gay_Whilst_in_Gaol


>>> By advocating to make an act 2 adults make in the privacy of their
>>> own bedroom illegal, you are saying this brilliant man deserved to
>>> die. And by saying that that proves you are just as wicked and just
>>> as evil as the Taliban.
>>>
>>
>> Making unlawful, `Homosexual acts` is not banning or `making
>> unlawfull', Homosexuality.
>> Can you come to grips with this concept?
>>
> It's just as bad.
>

It allows Homosexuals the same freedoms we all have.

>>>>>> How `grown up` of you Seon.
>>>>>>
>>> I am more grown up then hateful neo nazi's like you.
>>>
>>
>> Spitting poorly thought insults like `Neo Nazi' at me demonstrates
>> otherwise.
>>
>>
> You are a neo nazi. You hate gay people. Nazi's, the kkk, the
> taliban, the dictators of iran all hate gay people as well. So you
> are just as wicked as they are. And you also have an irrational fear
> of homosexuals wanting to force everyone to be gay. That is bullshit
> as well. All they want is tolerance and to be allowed to be
> themselves. And nazi punks like you would have them thrown in jail.
>

Your conceptions about my beliefs are really screwed up.
I don't hate Homosexuals
there is no irrational fear on my part, though irrational fear
may explain why your Faggot Hero topped hisself.
Homosexuals are not trying to force everyone to be Homosexual
They want more than just tolerance (big mistake)
I am not a Punk anything or a Nazi for that matter, as far the world
recognises the label.

Oh, and in Australia we call it Gaol.

>>>>>> Bit harsh with the `paranoid loon` insult but
>>>>>> you're showing signs of improvement. I'll have
>>>>>> you wanting to ban the Mardi Gras, before you know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not as long as it pours money into Sydney.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it pour all over Sydney or just a few Venues? If these Venues
>>>> turnovers are improved $30 million, surely they should be able to
>>>> get together and pay for it themselves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So should only a few Venus have to pay for the Australian Day
>>> Parade? Should only Darling Harbour have to pay for the fireworks?
>>>
>> The Venues that profit from it should cough up.
>> Spending money in Sydney that could be better spent on Health
>> services around the state to help taxpayers who only see the
>> firewoks on the TV .
>>
> Ok so at least your not a hypocrite.
>
you're


>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> -you know it costs the taxpayers in NSW mmm
>>>>>> we aren't actually told how much we are paying for the priviledge
>>>>>> of boosting
>>>>>> the turnover in a few Sydney venues by a claimed 30 Million a
>>>>>> year and supposedly bringing in 500 000 sex tourists from all
>>>>>> parts of the Globe
>>>>>> with all the latest diseases to share around
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So? it brings money to Sydney. Big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It brings Sex tourists from across the globe and all the newest
>>>> STD's such as AIDS variants and injects it into the most
>>>> negligently promiscous minority to filter on down to eventually
>>>> expose innocents to death and illness.
>>>>
>>> The Sydney sex show or cougar convention also brings aids because as
>>> I have exposed aids can be spread by straight sex. Should we outlaw
>>> those?
>> I would expect that without a Homosexual Mardi Gras these sex shows
>> would likely be seen for the Hedonistic aberrations they are.
>>
>>
> Yep because any sexual act that doesn't include making babies is
> perverted right? You are one sad dude, dude.
>

Nope. You won't find any quote where I make that claim.
Are you a Gorge Garcia fan or something? Dude, Dude?

>>>>>> drug use is rife
>>>>>> http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2010/03/03/honesty-needed-over-drug-use/22398
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bigotry is rife
>>>
>>> Well it takes one to know one.
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-diary/secret-life-of-hamish-20100207-nkxz.html
>>>>>> [quote stt]
>>>>>> ANIMAL Liberation NSW is no longer queer enough for the
>>>>>> Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade
>>>>>> [quote fin]
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Homosexuals are prone to bigotry against all other sexual
>>>> aberrations. not just Homosexual Beastialists.
>>>>
>>>>>> I found something cute
>>>>>> http://www.rainbowlabor.org/pages/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> apparantly rainbow is the next word to be hijacked by the
>>>>>> Homosexual agenda
>>>>>> to describe Homosexuals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh the horror! Yes that proves they all hate us and want to make
>>> straight sex illegal. Yes that proves they are just as bad as neo
>>> nazi's like you! Oh no what next!
>>
>> live sex shows involving 12 yr olds coming to a Mall near you.
>>
> That is evidence that you have an irrational fear of homosexuals.

Please explain?

> Having sex with someone under 18 is a CRIME and will never be
> allowed. Also if all gay people want to fuck boys does that mean all
> straight people want to fuck little girls?

You need to read up on this a bit first

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent.png


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 5:12 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Forwarded article:

The Three Myths About Homosexuality

Myth #1

Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

The truth...

There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic
cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the
predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other
psychological conditions.

Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly
influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships,
sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with
resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence
a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.

Myth #2

Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great
emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to
change homosexuality must be stopped.

The truth...

Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that
significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial
healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality,
and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed
celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have
diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in
the past.

The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to
investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the
condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several
years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance
and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow
into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience
a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.

If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet
it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the
right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from
their attractions.

Myth #3

We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and
healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to
celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...

Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that
homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to
heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially
vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior.
It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her
attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable.
Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push
in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are
uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to
the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our
schools in a fair and balanced manner.

Updated - 27 February 2008

End of forwarded article from:

http://www.narth.com/menus/myths.html

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 6:40 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"


"usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)" wrote in
message news:20100306L4Geix9Epirpus1GC6S96M9@MS5Bw...
> Forwarded article:
>
Fuck off you bigot.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 6:45 pm
From: "Seon Ferguson"


"regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
news:4b92d9bb@news.comindico.com.au...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>> news:4b8ffea7@news.comindico.com.au...
>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b8ea93e@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4b8d5c97@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4b8ac980@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:4b8a34ae$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> <brevity snip>
>
>>>> Taken from the God Delusion By Richard Dawkins
>>>>
>>>> "In 1954 The British mathematician Alan Turing, a candidate along
>>>> with John Von Neumann for the title of father of the computer,
>>>> committed suicide after being convicted of the criminal offence of
>>>> homosexual behavior in private. Admittedly Turing was not buried
>>>> alive under a wall pushed over by a tank. He was offered a choice
>>>> between two years in prison (can you imagine how the other prisoners
>>>> would have treated him?) and of course a hormone injections which
>>>> could be said to amount to chemical castration, and would have
>>>> caused him to grow breasts"
>>> Do you really think suicide was a reasonable and rational choice?
>>> This is further evidence of Homosexual's known defects in rational
>>> behaviour leaning to acts of self harm. A good reason why
>>> Homosexuality should be reconsidered as a mental illness and treated
>>> as a mental illness .
>>>
>> Yep I knew a nazi scum like you would support something like that.
>> Yes it is reasonable. Do you know how he would have been treated in
>> jail? He would have the crap beaten out of him.
>>
>
> So I'm Nazi scum cause I don't think it is reasonable or rational for
> Homosexuals to suicide ?
>
You are a Nazi because you want to outlaw homosexuality and support what
happened to him.

> I have an idea how he would have been treated in gaol. Many people
> go to gaol. Sane people don't consider suicide as a reasonable
> or rational alternative.
>
> Now if the guy had been declared a nutter, it is likely he wouldn't
> have been sent to gaol, though I am no expert on 1954 Pommy
> sentencing procedure.
>
> Though I suspect the suicide had more to do with the social disgrace
> and shame of being outed as a Poofter than some fear of being bashed.
>
> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnBooks:How_to_be_Gay_Whilst_in_Gaol
>
>
>
>
>>>> By advocating to make an act 2 adults make in the privacy of their
>>>> own bedroom illegal, you are saying this brilliant man deserved to
>>>> die. And by saying that that proves you are just as wicked and just
>>>> as evil as the Taliban.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Making unlawful, `Homosexual acts` is not banning or `making
>>> unlawfull', Homosexuality.
>>> Can you come to grips with this concept?
>>>
>> It's just as bad.
>>
>
> It allows Homosexuals the same freedoms we all have.
>
Wait do you mean we should make homosexual acts lawful then? You confuse me.
But if banning homosexuality is giving "Them" the same rights we have that
is a load of shit.

>>>>>>> How `grown up` of you Seon.
>>>>>>>
>>>> I am more grown up then hateful neo nazi's like you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spitting poorly thought insults like `Neo Nazi' at me demonstrates
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>> You are a neo nazi. You hate gay people. Nazi's, the kkk, the
>> taliban, the dictators of iran all hate gay people as well. So you
>> are just as wicked as they are. And you also have an irrational fear
>> of homosexuals wanting to force everyone to be gay. That is bullshit
>> as well. All they want is tolerance and to be allowed to be
>> themselves. And nazi punks like you would have them thrown in jail.
>>
>
> Your conceptions about my beliefs are really screwed up.
> I don't hate Homosexuals
> there is no irrational fear on my part, though irrational fear
> may explain why your Faggot Hero topped hisself.
> Homosexuals are not trying to force everyone to be Homosexual
> They want more than just tolerance (big mistake)
> I am not a Punk anything or a Nazi for that matter, as far the world
> recognises the label.
>
> Oh, and in Australia we call it Gaol.
>
The fact that you called him a "Faggot" proves you are a hater.

>
>
>>>>>>> Bit harsh with the `paranoid loon` insult but
>>>>>>> you're showing signs of improvement. I'll have
>>>>>>> you wanting to ban the Mardi Gras, before you know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not as long as it pours money into Sydney.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it pour all over Sydney or just a few Venues? If these Venues
>>>>> turnovers are improved $30 million, surely they should be able to
>>>>> get together and pay for it themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So should only a few Venus have to pay for the Australian Day
>>>> Parade? Should only Darling Harbour have to pay for the fireworks?
>>>>
>>> The Venues that profit from it should cough up.
>>> Spending money in Sydney that could be better spent on Health
>>> services around the state to help taxpayers who only see the
>>> firewoks on the TV .
>>>
>> Ok so at least your not a hypocrite.
>>
> you're
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -you know it costs the taxpayers in NSW mmm
>>>>>>> we aren't actually told how much we are paying for the priviledge
>>>>>>> of boosting
>>>>>>> the turnover in a few Sydney venues by a claimed 30 Million a
>>>>>>> year and supposedly bringing in 500 000 sex tourists from all
>>>>>>> parts of the Globe
>>>>>>> with all the latest diseases to share around
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So? it brings money to Sydney. Big deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It brings Sex tourists from across the globe and all the newest
>>>>> STD's such as AIDS variants and injects it into the most
>>>>> negligently promiscous minority to filter on down to eventually
>>>>> expose innocents to death and illness.
>>>>>
>>>> The Sydney sex show or cougar convention also brings aids because as
>>>> I have exposed aids can be spread by straight sex. Should we outlaw
>>>> those?
>>> I would expect that without a Homosexual Mardi Gras these sex shows
>>> would likely be seen for the Hedonistic aberrations they are.
>>>
>>>
>> Yep because any sexual act that doesn't include making babies is
>> perverted right? You are one sad dude, dude.
>>
>
> Nope. You won't find any quote where I make that claim.
> Are you a Gorge Garcia fan or something? Dude, Dude?
>
"Hedonistic aberrations" You also said sex should be used for reproductive
somewhere.

>>>>>>> drug use is rife
>>>>>>> http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2010/03/03/honesty-needed-over-drug-use/22398
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bigotry is rife
>>>>
>>>> Well it takes one to know one.
>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-diary/secret-life-of-hamish-20100207-nkxz.html
>>>>>>> [quote stt]
>>>>>>> ANIMAL Liberation NSW is no longer queer enough for the
>>>>>>> Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade
>>>>>>> [quote fin]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Homosexuals are prone to bigotry against all other sexual
>>>>> aberrations. not just Homosexual Beastialists.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found something cute
>>>>>>> http://www.rainbowlabor.org/pages/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> apparantly rainbow is the next word to be hijacked by the
>>>>>>> Homosexual agenda
>>>>>>> to describe Homosexuals.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Oh the horror! Yes that proves they all hate us and want to make
>>>> straight sex illegal. Yes that proves they are just as bad as neo
>>>> nazi's like you! Oh no what next!
>>>
>>> live sex shows involving 12 yr olds coming to a Mall near you.
>>>
>> That is evidence that you have an irrational fear of homosexuals.
>
> Please explain?
>
You believe in the "Homosexual agenda" the only agenda we should fear is the
Nazi agenda which you support.

>> Having sex with someone under 18 is a CRIME and will never be
>> allowed. Also if all gay people want to fuck boys does that mean all
>> straight people want to fuck little girls?
>
> You need to read up on this a bit first
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent.png
>
There's nothing in there that answers my question.

If all gay people want to fuck little boys then do all straight people want
to fuck little girls?

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 7:51 pm
From: "regn.pickfod"


Seon Ferguson wrote:
> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
> news:4b92d9bb@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>> news:4b8ffea7@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4b8ea93e@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4b8d5c97@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4b8ac980@news.comindico.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "regn.pickfod" <regn@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4b8a34ae$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>>
>> <brevity snip>
>>
>>>>> Taken from the God Delusion By Richard Dawkins
>>>>>
>>>>> "In 1954 The British mathematician Alan Turing, a candidate along
>>>>> with John Von Neumann for the title of father of the computer,
>>>>> committed suicide after being convicted of the criminal offence of
>>>>> homosexual behavior in private. Admittedly Turing was not buried
>>>>> alive under a wall pushed over by a tank. He was offered a choice
>>>>> between two years in prison (can you imagine how the other
>>>>> prisoners would have treated him?) and of course a hormone
>>>>> injections which could be said to amount to chemical castration,
>>>>> and would have caused him to grow breasts"
>>>> Do you really think suicide was a reasonable and rational choice?
>>>> This is further evidence of Homosexual's known defects in rational
>>>> behaviour leaning to acts of self harm. A good reason why
>>>> Homosexuality should be reconsidered as a mental illness and
>>>> treated as a mental illness .
>>>>
>>> Yep I knew a nazi scum like you would support something like that.
>>> Yes it is reasonable. Do you know how he would have been treated in
>>> jail? He would have the crap beaten out of him.
>>>
>>
>> So I'm Nazi scum cause I don't think it is reasonable or rational for
>> Homosexuals to suicide ?
>>
> You are a Nazi because you want to outlaw homosexuality and support
> what happened to him.
>

No and no

Making Homosexual acts unlawful would not impact on whether
someone has Homosexual attractions.
You are the one supporting him killing himself. I believe if he had
been declared unbalanced he
should have received different style of intervention that may not have
ended up with him killing himself

>> I have an idea how he would have been treated in gaol. Many people
>> go to gaol. Sane people don't consider suicide as a reasonable
>> or rational alternative.
>>
>> Now if the guy had been declared a nutter, it is likely he wouldn't
>> have been sent to gaol, though I am no expert on 1954 Pommy
>> sentencing procedure.
>>
>> Though I suspect the suicide had more to do with the social disgrace
>> and shame of being outed as a Poofter than some fear of being bashed.
>>
>> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnBooks:How_to_be_Gay_Whilst_in_Gaol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> By advocating to make an act 2 adults make in the privacy of their
>>>>> own bedroom illegal, you are saying this brilliant man deserved to
>>>>> die. And by saying that that proves you are just as wicked and
>>>>> just as evil as the Taliban.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Making unlawful, `Homosexual acts` is not banning or `making
>>>> unlawfull', Homosexuality.
>>>> Can you come to grips with this concept?
>>>>
>>> It's just as bad.
>>>
>>
>> It allows Homosexuals the same freedoms we all have.
>>
> Wait do you mean we should make homosexual acts lawful then? You

We have freedoms to go about our business as long as we do not
infringe the rules or the law.

> confuse me. But if banning homosexuality is giving "Them" the same
> rights we have that is a load of shit.
>

If they don't break the law, they don't get locked up for breaking the law.
Same freedoms I and you have.

>>>>>>>> How `grown up` of you Seon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> I am more grown up then hateful neo nazi's like you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spitting poorly thought insults like `Neo Nazi' at me demonstrates
>>>> otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are a neo nazi. You hate gay people. Nazi's, the kkk, the
>>> taliban, the dictators of iran all hate gay people as well. So you
>>> are just as wicked as they are. And you also have an irrational fear
>>> of homosexuals wanting to force everyone to be gay. That is bullshit
>>> as well. All they want is tolerance and to be allowed to be
>>> themselves. And nazi punks like you would have them thrown in jail.
>>>
>>
>> Your conceptions about my beliefs are really screwed up.
>> I don't hate Homosexuals
>> there is no irrational fear on my part, though irrational fear
>> may explain why your Faggot Hero topped hisself.
>> Homosexuals are not trying to force everyone to be Homosexual
>> They want more than just tolerance (big mistake)
>> I am not a Punk anything or a Nazi for that matter, as far the world
>> recognises the label.
>>
>> Oh, and in Australia we call it Gaol.
>>
> The fact that you called him a "Faggot" proves you are a hater.

Nonsense.
Faggots call each other Faggots.


>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Bit harsh with the `paranoid loon` insult but
>>>>>>>> you're showing signs of improvement. I'll have
>>>>>>>> you wanting to ban the Mardi Gras, before you know it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not as long as it pours money into Sydney.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it pour all over Sydney or just a few Venues? If these
>>>>>> Venues turnovers are improved $30 million, surely they should be
>>>>>> able to get together and pay for it themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So should only a few Venus have to pay for the Australian Day
>>>>> Parade? Should only Darling Harbour have to pay for the fireworks?
>>>>>
>>>> The Venues that profit from it should cough up.
>>>> Spending money in Sydney that could be better spent on Health
>>>> services around the state to help taxpayers who only see the
>>>> firewoks on the TV .
>>>>
>>> Ok so at least your not a hypocrite.
>>>
>> you're
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -you know it costs the taxpayers in NSW mmm
>>>>>>>> we aren't actually told how much we are paying for the
>>>>>>>> priviledge of boosting
>>>>>>>> the turnover in a few Sydney venues by a claimed 30 Million a
>>>>>>>> year and supposedly bringing in 500 000 sex tourists from all
>>>>>>>> parts of the Globe
>>>>>>>> with all the latest diseases to share around
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So? it brings money to Sydney. Big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It brings Sex tourists from across the globe and all the newest
>>>>>> STD's such as AIDS variants and injects it into the most
>>>>>> negligently promiscous minority to filter on down to eventually
>>>>>> expose innocents to death and illness.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Sydney sex show or cougar convention also brings aids because
>>>>> as I have exposed aids can be spread by straight sex. Should we
>>>>> outlaw those?
>>>> I would expect that without a Homosexual Mardi Gras these sex shows
>>>> would likely be seen for the Hedonistic aberrations they are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yep because any sexual act that doesn't include making babies is
>>> perverted right? You are one sad dude, dude.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. You won't find any quote where I make that claim.
>> Are you a Gorge Garcia fan or something? Dude, Dude?
>>
> "Hedonistic aberrations" You also said sex should be used for
> reproductive somewhere.
>

You do realise that not every single `winky pop' results in a pregnancy.
I never said sex _should_ be used for getting some tart pregnant
everytime iether.
I associate hysterical claims like these coming from you with
Homosexuals. Are you worried because you have a sexual
attraction to men?

>>>>>>>> drug use is rife
>>>>>>>> http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2010/03/03/honesty-needed-over-drug-use/22398
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bigotry is rife
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it takes one to know one.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-diary/secret-life-of-hamish-20100207-nkxz.html
>>>>>>>> [quote stt]
>>>>>>>> ANIMAL Liberation NSW is no longer queer enough for the
>>>>>>>> Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade
>>>>>>>> [quote fin]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Homosexuals are prone to bigotry against all other sexual
>>>>>> aberrations. not just Homosexual Beastialists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found something cute
>>>>>>>> http://www.rainbowlabor.org/pages/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apparantly rainbow is the next word to be hijacked by the
>>>>>>>> Homosexual agenda
>>>>>>>> to describe Homosexuals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh the horror! Yes that proves they all hate us and want to make
>>>>> straight sex illegal. Yes that proves they are just as bad as neo
>>>>> nazi's like you! Oh no what next!
>>>>
>>>> live sex shows involving 12 yr olds coming to a Mall near you.
>>>>
>>> That is evidence that you have an irrational fear of homosexuals.
>>
>> Please explain?
>>
> You believe in the "Homosexual agenda" the only agenda we should fear
> is the Nazi agenda which you support.
>

Did I say I was a afraid of the Homosexual Agenda? No I did not,
so where do you get this nonsense from?

>>> Having sex with someone under 18 is a CRIME and will never be
>>> allowed. Also if all gay people want to fuck boys does that mean all
>>> straight people want to fuck little girls?
>>
>> You need to read up on this a bit first
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent.png
>>
> There's nothing in there that answers my question.
>

I'd say you didn't read it well enough to understand it is legal to
have sex with under 18 yr olds in about 99% of the world and
you plainly know fuck all about it.


> If all gay people want to fuck little boys then do all straight
> people want to fuck little girls?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 10:01 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)


Dr. Jai Maharaj <usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai> wrote:
>Forwarded article:
>
>The Three Myths About Homosexuality

Your hate doesn't make them myths.

>Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

>Homosexuals cannot change,

>We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and
>healthy as heterosexuality.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net


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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:05 pm
From: habshi@anony.net


A movie about drug dealing and terrorism and this time the bad guys
are Pakistanis! You cant fool all the people all the time!
However I think the heroes snorting cocaine as if its all harmless
is extremely stupid. The first time can bring on a heart attack and
kill you.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:11 pm
From: uNmaivirumbi


On Mar 6, 7:05 pm, hab...@anony.net wrote:
>    A movie about drug dealing and terrorism and this time the bad guys
> are Pakistanis! You cant fool all the people all the time!
>    However I think the heroes snorting cocaine as if its all harmless
> is extremely stupid. The first time can bring on a heart attack and
> kill you.

You seem to like Indian movies. I feel nauseated when I watch any
Indian movie. Tell me what Indian cinema has contributed and what
damage it has done. I really want to know. Movies seem to obsess
Indians. Most Indians talk of movie actors and mostly nothing else!
They have become brain dead


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:21 pm
From: habshi@anony.net


Which Indian movie have you watched.. Try Life Partner , Border etc.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:09 pm
From: habshi@anony.net


We all have guests who outstay their welcome. This comedy is
great fun. Colors are deep and rich. Those eastern european girls
dancing in bikinis should have been expanded into a full song and
dance in the first half. You do leave the cinema with a smile. Worth
seeing.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:10 pm
From: habshi@anony.net


The sets are superb. 3D is not that effective. The main problem
is the lack of a few songs and dances - inexcusable in a dream
sequence which could have made this movie a masterpiece.
Not to be missed. The red queen actress is outstanding.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 4:43 pm
From: Captain Infinity


Once Upon A Time,
habshi@anony.net wrote:

>The main problem
>is the lack of a few songs and dances - inexcusable in a dream
>sequence which could have made this movie a masterpiece.

My dreams never have songs and dances. I'd see a psychiatrist if they did.


**
Captain Infinity


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 5:39 pm
From: jessica_smith_nyc


How is the 3D compared to Avatar?

--
http://www.moviesitearchive.com

On Mar 6, 4:10 pm, hab...@anony.net wrote:
>        The sets are superb. 3D is not that effective. The main problem
> is the lack of a few songs and dances - inexcusable in a dream
> sequence which could have made this movie a masterpiece.
> Not to be missed. The red queen actress is outstanding.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 11:43 pm
From: MFalc1


On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, jessica_smith_nyc <uwalum2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> How is the 3D compared to Avatar?
>
> --http://www.moviesitearchive.com
>
> On Mar 6, 4:10 pm, hab...@anony.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >        The sets are superb. 3D is not that effective. The main problem
> > is the lack of a few songs and dances - inexcusable in a dream
> > sequence which could have made this movie a masterpiece.
> > Not to be missed. The red queen actress is outstanding.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The 3-D is decent enough considering that the film was shot in 2-D and
converted in post-production.

With ALICE, though, Burton's back to just stringing together setpieces
of varying quality a la BATMAN RETURNS. One hopes that he will be
more script-conscious when DARK SHADOWS gets made.

Mark L. Falconer
http://www.youtube.com/terrymcca
http://www.poetry-arts-confidential.blogspot.com

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