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TOPIC: ***** VFA SCHOLAR DR SUBHASH KAK SOLVES EINSTEIN'S TWIN PARADOX *****
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 12:03 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <54c5efda-4a87-4b38-a87e-ab390e7731c6@x18g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > VFA Scholar Dr Subhash Kak Solves Einstein's Twin Paradox
> >
> > Public release date: 14-Feb-2007
> >
> > Contact: Subhash Kak
> > k...@ece.lsu.edu
> > 225-578-5552
> > Louisiana State University
> >
> > LSU professor resolves Einstein's twin paradox
> >
> > BATON ROUGE -- Subhash Kak, Delaune Distinguished Professor
> > of Electrical and Computer Engineering at LSU, recently
> > resolved the twin paradox, known as one of the most
> > enduring puzzles of modern-day physics.
> >
> > First suggested by Albert Einstein more than 100 years ago,
> > the paradox deals with the effects of time in the context
> > of travel at near the speed of light. Einstein originally
> > used the example of two clocks -- one motionless, one in
> > transit. He stated that, due to the laws of physics, clocks
> > being transported near the speed of light would move more
> > slowly than clocks that remained stationary. In more recent
> > times, the paradox has been described using the analogy of
> > twins. If one twin is placed on a space shuttle and travels
> > near the speed of light while the remaining twin remains
> > earthbound, the unmoved twin would have aged dramatically
> > compared to his interstellar sibling, according to the
> > paradox.
> >
> > "If the twin aboard the spaceship went to the nearest star,
> > which is 4.45 light years away at 86 percent of the speed
> > of light, when he returned, he would have aged 5 years. But
> > the earthbound twin would have aged more than 10 years!"
> > said Kak.
> >
> > The fact that time slows down on moving objects has been
> > documented and verified over the years through repeated
> > experimentation. But, in the previous scenario, the paradox
> > is that the earthbound twin is the one who would be
> > considered to be in motion -- in relation to the sibling --
> > and therefore should be the one aging more slowly. Einstein
> > and other scientists have attempted to resolve this problem
> > before, but none of the formulas they presented proved
> > satisfactory.
> >
> > Kak's findings were published online in the International
> > Journal of Theoretical Science, and will appear in the
> > upcoming print version of the publication. "I solved the
> > paradox by incorporating a new principle within the
> > relativity framework that defines motion not in relation to
> > individual objects, such as the two twins with respect to
> > each other, but in relation to distant stars," said Kak.
> > Using probabilistic relationships, Kak's solution assumes
> > that the universe has the same general properties no matter
> > where one might be within it.
> >
> > The implications of this resolution will be widespread,
> > generally enhancing the scientific community's
> > comprehension of relativity. It may eventually even have
> > some impact on quantum communications and computers,
> > potentially making it possible to design more efficient and
> > reliable communication systems for space applications.
> >
> > For more information, please contact Subhash Kak at 225-
> > 578-5552 or k...@ece.lsu.edu.
> >
> > =EF=BF=BD###
> >
> > Contact: Ashley Berthelot
> > LSU Media Relations
> > 225-578-3870
> > aber...@lsu.edu
> >
> > More news and information can be found on LSU's home page atwww.lsu.edu.
> >
> > End of forwarded press release from:
> >
> > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/lsu-lpr021407.php
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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> Thank you Dr. Jai Maharaj Ji.
> Dr. Subhash Kak has a Ph.D. from IIT Delhi.
Dhanyavaad for mentioning IIT-D; I have fond memories of it. Did you attend that
or another IIT?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: ***** e=mc2: 103 YEARS LATER, EINSTEIN IS PROVEN RIGHT ***** Jai
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 1:45 am
From: "Arindam Banerjee"
Looks like the Einsteinian bullshitters are asking for as much condemnation
as Madoff & Co.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091221A8n7uytseVezgQtNW6HGM4e@R3UMh...
> e=mc2: 103 years later, Einstein's proven right
>
> AFP
> November 20, 2008
>
> Paris (AFP) - It's taken more than a century, but
> Einstein's celebrated formula e=mc2 has finally been
> corroborated, thanks to a heroic computational effort by
> French, German and Hungarian physicists. . . .
>
> A thread of more than 80 posts continues here:
>
> http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2136315/posts
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 11:39 am
From: "harmony"
for india, however, einstein should take a temporary backseat in favor of
the more potent equation that you formulated:
annihilation of hindu sanskriti = 3mc*2.
daroowalas and bidiwalas account for the bend.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091221A8n7uytseVezgQtNW6HGM4e@R3UMh...
> e=mc2: 103 years later, Einstein's proven right
>
> AFP
> November 20, 2008
>
> Paris (AFP) - It's taken more than a century, but
> Einstein's celebrated formula e=mc2 has finally been
> corroborated, thanks to a heroic computational effort by
> French, German and Hungarian physicists. . . .
>
> A thread of more than 80 posts continues here:
>
> http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2136315/posts
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 1:50 am
From: "Arindam Banerjee"
Einstein's theories of relativity are totally bullshit. How long this
lucrative charade with continue, is ultimately up to the public and their
reps to decide.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Check out the Hydrogen Transmission Network:
http://adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
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> Relativity Passes Absolute Test: Exacting research finds
> Einstein was exactly right
>
> By Stephen Ornes
> Discover
> June 22, 2007
>
> Nearly three years ago, NASA's oft-canceled $750 million
> Gravity Probe B Relativity Mission finally shot into space
> with one goal -- to quantify Einstein's predictions from
> Earth's orbit. Earlier this year, at the meeting of the
> American Physics Society, principal investigator Francis
> Everitt delivered the first results: Gravity Probe B has
> verified Einstein's theory to within 1 percent...
> Einstein's theory predicts that the axes should shift by a
> tiny amount -- 0.0018 degree -- under the influence of
> Earth's pull on space-time. After 18 months of data
> analysis, Everitt and his team measured the axial shift to
> within 1 percent...
>
> A thread of more than 40 posts continues here:
> http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1860974/posts
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 4:36 am
From: Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
On Dec 22, 10:50 am, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
*> Einstein's theories of relativity are totally bullshit. How long
this
*> lucrative charade with continue, is ultimately up to the public and
their
*> reps to decide.
*> Cheers,
*> Arindam Banerjee
Interesting, a Fraud supporting another Fraud !
What is this false Hindu Maharaja raving on ....Someone said that
obscure theories are made not to help to think, but to prevent them
thinking !
It seems this is the case with this alleged Maharaja... I am sure that
Mr Arindam Banergee has more right to call himself a Maharaj than
anyone here.
What next, that Intellectual worthless Criminal sexual deviant & drug
addict Dr Freud/ Fraud of Wien being promoted as saviour of Humanity
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 5:37 am
From: kangarooistan
On Dec 22, 7:50 pm, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Einstein's theories of relativity are totally bullshit. How long this
> lucrative charade with continue, is ultimately up to the public and their
> reps to decide.
> Cheers,
HI Arindam Banerjee
>
> Check out the Hydrogen Transmission Network:http://adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm
>
GREAT site mate , lays it all out very nicely
It should be easy to set up a working house / farm / factory , there
is only the costs , the science is well understood
Eventually mass production will make it cheaper and cheaper and
cheaper
its clean and green , pity the BIG boys wont like losing CONTROL of
the energy and water markets
the basic method of generating electricity by any available method ,
and using this to produce Hydrogen gas , is a very well established
and understood fact
ANYBODY can make hydrogen gas at home , simply trapping the gas given
off by a car battery is the basic method
WHY transport the gas anywhere ??
Why not simply produce the hydrogen where and in volumes needed ,
store it until needed in standard old fashioned gas tanks / upside
down rubbish bin floating on water with a brick on top WORKS
No pipeline needed
recycle the water , means no sea water is either
Hydrogen gas is EASY to make , burning the hydrogen gas produces water
as a by product
its been done every time you charge a car battery
your concept needs no TRIAL , every high school science student KNOWS
it works
thats WHY they will NEVER support you AB
they dont want FREE energy
they WANT MAXIMUM profits for ruling elites mate
they will NEVER let the people get FREE ENERGY mate
the capitalist system doen NOT support such simple methods mate
the masses MUST be controlledby retaining control of water power and
food
NOTHING will get funded that reduces the rulung elites control mate
thats WHY Im a socialist , we need to wait until the capitalists bleed
the people to their knees before the sheeple will turn OFF THE TV and
ask the experts to explain how come they are stuffing up the planet
when the CURES are so CHEAP and so EASY
like global warming CAN be cured for free by RESTORING iron levels to
the oceans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
and Hydrogen gas can be made by anybody anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
no need to pump it far , make it on site IMHO seems best
store it in tanks like fuel tanks until needed
kanga
=====
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 6:33 am
From: "Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology"
On Dec 22, 2:37 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
*> kanga
> =====
Yes, correct Mr Kanga.
Mr Banerjee is too far ahead to be understood ...and they want to keep
the Sheeple under their Thumb indeed !
By the way, not long to wait now for the Fabian Bay to start filling
up ... and things don't look too bright for the Murray-Darling Dust
Bowl !
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 12:54 pm
From: "Eric Gisin"
A science-schizo who can't understand einstein's relativity,
but does support the green junk-science of hydrogen as fuel.
Why am I not surprised?
"Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:4E0Ym.63951$ze1.8598@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Einstein's theories of relativity are totally bullshit. How long this lucrative charade with
> continue, is ultimately up to the public and their reps to decide.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
>
> Check out the Hydrogen Transmission Network:
> http://adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 6:45 pm
From: the man from havana
On Dec 22, 11:36 pm, Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
<australia.mining-pion...@neuf.fr> wrote:
> On Dec 22, 10:50 am, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> this
> *> lucrative charade with continue, is ultimately up to the public and
> their
> *> reps to decide.
> *> Cheers,
> *> Arindam Banerjee
>
> Interesting, a Fraud supporting another Fraud !
ha you should talk fraud !
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TOPIC: ***** MSNBC - EINSTEIN LETTER CALLS BIBLE 'PRETTY CHILDISH' ***** Jai
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 6:32 am
From: cornholio
On Dec 21, 4:09 pm, fanabba <fana...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 5:32 pm, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > Einstein letter calls Bible 'pretty childish'
>
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/?GT1=43001
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> I understand Einstein held moal religions like Hinduism, Buddhism in
> very high regard.
> He did not think much of "sky god" religions.
Hinduism doesn't feature "sky" gods eh?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 21 2009 4:53 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jyotishithead wrote:
> Einstein letter calls Bible 'pretty childish'
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/?GT1=43001
Apparently he also found the idea of God to be a human weakness. Jay,
what do you think of that in relation to 330 million gods? Is that 330
million times weaker?
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Hauptmann asked Einstein whether he shared this belief. Einstein, who
had just read Lucien Levy-Bruhl's book Die geistige Welt der Primitiven
about the demonology of early cultural levels and its effects on ancient
religious beliefs, told Hauptmann that faith in astrology evolved from
an ancient belief in demons. Einstein, who did not believe in such
supernatural beings, strongly condemned astrology as a superstition.
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s6681.pdf
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Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
-- Sir Walter Scott
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jai_Maharaj
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/einsteinquotes.htm
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TOPIC: We're even more racist than Aussies
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 21 2009 2:16 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
We're even more racist than Aussies
Jug Suraiya Monday June 08, 2009, 12:01 PM
The attacks on Indians in Australia have once again raised the ugly head
of racism. Once again India is caught up in the midst of a racist storm.
A while ago, the Big Brother controversy launched Shilpa Shetty as an
international anti-racism icon from India. This is entirely appropriate
as Indians are arguably the biggest targets of racism in the world. And
they are targeted not just by unlettered British yobs or Australian
thugs but, first and foremost, by their own compatriots. It's because we
are so racist ourselves that we are so quick to react to a racist slur:
it takes a racist to catch a racist. And our racism is colour-coded in
black-and-white terms: white is intrinsically superior and desirable;
black is inferior and undesirable.
In the Indian colour scheme of things, black is far from beautiful. The
colloquial word for a black person of African origin is 'habshi', an
epithet as offensive as the American 'nigger', both terms derived from
the days of the slave trade.
For all India's official championing of the anti-apartheid crusade in
South Africa's erstwhile white regime, north India at least is steeped
in colour prejudice - ask any African student who's had a taste of
Delhi's campus life. For the north Indian, fair is lovely, as those
abominably tasteless TV commercials keep proclaiming: Don't get
sunburnt, use skin whitening creams, or you'll end up dark and no one
will marry you. (When did you last see a matrimonial ad seeking an
'attractive, dark-complexioned life partner'?)
Why is dark literally beyond the pale for so many of us? Is it an
atavistic throwback to the supposed superiority of 'white' Aryans
vis-a-vis the 'non-white' original inhabitants of the subcontinent? Is
it the result of 250 years of white rule under the British? Is a pale
skin, as against a deep tan, a testimonial to social rank, segregating
those who don't have to toil under the sun from those who do? Is it an
amalgam of all these?
Whatever the reason, 'chitti chamri' (fair skin) is a passport to
fawning social acceptance -- which might partly explain why an
increasing number of Caucasians look for assignments in India, be it as
MNC executives or bartenders in 5-star hotels.
Our racism is largely, but not exclusively, based on colour. Caste is
India's unique contribution to the lexicon of racial bigotry. Whether
'caste' - a result of cultural and social segmentation - can
legitimately be conflated with 'race' - with its genetic and
physiological underpinnings - is a matter of academic debate. However,
as only too many horror stories testify, the average rural Dalit fares
worse on the human-rights scale than her 'kafir' counterpart in the
worst days of South African apartheid.
Caste apart, real or imagined ethnic traits compound our racism. People
from the north-east are said to have 'Chinky' (Chinese) eyes and are
routinely asked if they eat dogs. Even in so-called 'mainstream' India
we sub-divide ourselves with pejoratives: 'Panjus', whose only culture
is agriculture; stingy 'Marrus'; mercenary 'Gujjus' who eat 'heavy
snakes' for tea; lazy, shiftless 'Bongs'; 'Madrasis', who all live south
of the Vindhyas and speak a funny 'Illay-po' language. In our ingrained
provincialism is our much-vaunted and illusory unity.
No wonder we can't stand racism. It reminds us disquietingly of the face
we see in our own mirror.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 7:54 am
From: "Benway (original non-Zionist)"
P. Rajah wrote:
> We're even more racist than Aussies
>
> Jug Suraiya Monday June 08, 2009, 12:01 PM
>
> The attacks on Indians in Australia have once again raised the ugly head
> of racism. Once again India is caught up in the midst of a racist storm.
> A while ago, the Big Brother controversy launched Shilpa Shetty as an
> international anti-racism icon from India. This is entirely appropriate
> as Indians are arguably the biggest targets of racism in the world. And
> they are targeted not just by unlettered British yobs or Australian
> thugs but, first and foremost, by their own compatriots. It's because we
> are so racist ourselves that we are so quick to react to a racist slur:
> it takes a racist to catch a racist. And our racism is colour-coded in
> black-and-white terms: white is intrinsically superior and desirable;
> black is inferior and undesirable.
>
> In the Indian colour scheme of things, black is far from beautiful. The
> colloquial word for a black person of African origin is 'habshi', an
> epithet as offensive as the American 'nigger', both terms derived from
> the days of the slave trade.
>
> For all India's official championing of the anti-apartheid crusade in
> South Africa's erstwhile white regime, north India at least is steeped
> in colour prejudice - ask any African student who's had a taste of
> Delhi's campus life. For the north Indian, fair is lovely, as those
> abominably tasteless TV commercials keep proclaiming: Don't get
> sunburnt, use skin whitening creams, or you'll end up dark and no one
> will marry you. (When did you last see a matrimonial ad seeking an
> 'attractive, dark-complexioned life partner'?)
>
> Why is dark literally beyond the pale for so many of us? Is it an
> atavistic throwback to the supposed superiority of 'white' Aryans
> vis-a-vis the 'non-white' original inhabitants of the subcontinent? Is
> it the result of 250 years of white rule under the British? Is a pale
> skin, as against a deep tan, a testimonial to social rank, segregating
> those who don't have to toil under the sun from those who do? Is it an
> amalgam of all these?
>
> Whatever the reason, 'chitti chamri' (fair skin) is a passport to
> fawning social acceptance -- which might partly explain why an
> increasing number of Caucasians look for assignments in India, be it as
> MNC executives or bartenders in 5-star hotels.
>
> Our racism is largely, but not exclusively, based on colour. Caste is
> India's unique contribution to the lexicon of racial bigotry. Whether
> 'caste' - a result of cultural and social segmentation - can
> legitimately be conflated with 'race' - with its genetic and
> physiological underpinnings - is a matter of academic debate. However,
> as only too many horror stories testify, the average rural Dalit fares
> worse on the human-rights scale than her 'kafir' counterpart in the
> worst days of South African apartheid.
>
> Caste apart, real or imagined ethnic traits compound our racism. People
> from the north-east are said to have 'Chinky' (Chinese) eyes and are
> routinely asked if they eat dogs. Even in so-called 'mainstream' India
> we sub-divide ourselves with pejoratives: 'Panjus', whose only culture
> is agriculture; stingy 'Marrus'; mercenary 'Gujjus' who eat 'heavy
> snakes' for tea; lazy, shiftless 'Bongs'; 'Madrasis', who all live south
> of the Vindhyas and speak a funny 'Illay-po' language. In our ingrained
> provincialism is our much-vaunted and illusory unity.
>
> No wonder we can't stand racism. It reminds us disquietingly of the face
> we see in our own mirror.
***********************************************
With numerous man-made and natural disasters popping up
everywhere these days, we have no choice - we must
strangle all those hysterics who cry "racist" as
a weird manifestation of their own ratbaggery.
It would be a kindness to the rest of us, whatever
race, colour, status, or shape we seem to have.
We could get on with some real work maybe.
Sanity is the important thing, not screeching
ideologues and their psychoneurotic issues.
*******************************************
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 8:24 am
From: "harmony"
many will not agree with this - only because they have not known better -
but living on the bank of ganga ji makes for a far happier life, and
spiritually more uplifting, than in the best palaces of the world. many
people keep ganga jal (water) at their home in small bottle as the next best
thing.
btw, did i tell you that i have a friend, who specializes in short selling
is looking to buy a palace?
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091221Yi82M579Nlsrj97OvbBQdYF@PH0DW...
> She needs to return all the loot to Bharat and pay compensation to
> the families of Hindus who were slaughtered by the Brits. After that
> she can live under a tree on the banks of Ganga for the rest of her
> life.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <4b2faab5$0$5356$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>>
>> give a brits a good thing, and they will mess it up. even their queen is
>> tired of them.
>
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>
>> > The British 'caste system' is more prevalent than the Indian
>> >
>> > indiaview.wordpress.com
>> >
>> > (G. C. Asnani: "Caste" System prevails throughout the
>> > world, in one form or the other, as a natural process.
>> > Only Hindu society has been mis-represented by
>> > [Christian] missionaries on this issue.)
>> >
>> > -From: Yashwini1@aol.com
>> > -Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2007
>> >
>> > The British 'caste system' is more prevalent than the
>> > Indian
>> >
>> > http://indiaview.wordpress.com
>> >
>> > Written by Edward Hamala
>> >
>> > In response to the letter by Roger Williams captioned "The
>> > Rig Veda does refer to caste" (07.07.23) I thought I might
>> > share a few points with your readers. The Indian "caste
>> > system" that has so outraged Mr. Roger Williams, makes me
>> > wonder if he is equally outraged by the British "caste
>> > system" that is even more prevalent, although it is well
>> > hidden and "invisible" in the British and some European
>> > societies, where the nobility still exist, than it is in
>> > India today, where all noble titles have been abolished. I
>> > would like to ask Mr. Williams when objecting to
>> > birthrights why has he failed to raise the same objection
>> > to the British Nobility and the Landed Gentry's birthright,
>> > inheriting their title, social status while they are also
>> > guaranteed perpetual political power by inheriting a peer-
>> > ship and a seat in the British House of Lords, the highest
>> > legislative body of the land?
>> >
>> > Few of us believe the existence of a truly egalitarian
>> > society in the west today or anywhere for that matter!
>> >
>> > When was the last time that Mr. Williams had a drink at the
>> > local pub with Lord Spencer? Or had tea with Prince
>> > Phillip?
>> >
>> > Did you know that the English nobility are distinctly
>> > noticeable by their education and grooming in institutions
>> > such as Wetherby, Ludgrove, and Eton or the Royal Academy
>> > at Sandhurst? They even speak a different language, the
>> > King's English, free from colloquialism and dialects
>> > distinctly separating them, and distinguishing them from
>> > ordinary commoners, as soon as they open their mouths.
>> >
>> > May I also remind you that the Indian Social Structure as
>> > it was depicted in the Vedas Millenniums ago, made it an
>> > edict to leave Tribals and Adivasis alone and not to impose
>> > Hindu religion, culture or values on them.
>> >
>> > The word "caste" my friend is an English word! The Sanskrit
>> > word for "caste" is "Varna" and it means vocation or
>> > occupation and does not mean "caste" as it does in the
>> > English interpretation or translation of the term!
>> >
>> > Likewise, "untouchable" meant not to go near them, don't
>> > touch them, don't intermarry with them and don't corrupt
>> > their culture don't try to conform them. Leave them alone!
>> >
>> > The unfortunate thing was that Mahatma Gandhi was also
>> > British educated, trained as a lawyer and had little or no
>> > knowledge about the ancient Vedic philosophy, history or
>> > culture. What little Gandhi knew about Vedic philosophy was
>> > mostly thought to him by Vinoba Bhave, an avid freedom
>> > fighter, a devoted supporter of the Mahatma who was a Hindu
>> > monk and a highly educated Brahman who among other things
>> > spoke 14 languages.
>> >
>> > It was Vinoba Bhave who connected Gandhi's political views
>> > with Vedic values and philosophy that gained such a wide
>> > appeal and the support of the Indian masses. If Gandhi
>> > would have had a better grasp of Vedic Philosophy he would
>> > have been able to counter many of these British myths and
>> > instead of being an apologist he could have challenged and
>> > defeated the British, the most classist society, at their
>> > own game.
>> >
>> > Let me ask you, Mr. Williams, what modern country that you
>> > know of today still have primitive tribals living
>> > undisturbed, "uncivilized" and untouched by their society
>> > living around them? As they do in the Andaman and Nicobar
>> > Islands of India? Did you know that these islands are off
>> > limits to all Indian citizens, to protect these tribals?
>> >
>> > Is it done to discriminate against the tribals as
>> > "untouchables" or is it done to protect them?
>> >
>> > The State of Assam, was a similar tribal area until it got
>> > overran by zealous Christian Missionaries that have
>> > destroyed their social fibre and their culture.
>> >
>> > Westerners can't seem to resist the temptation of trying to
>> > impose their political and social values and religions on
>> > other cultures!
>> >
>> > How many societies does Mr. Williams know, where a group of
>> > refugees arrived and sought refuge as the Jews did in
>> > Kerala, India in 70 AD and were given sanctuary and freedom
>> > to practice their religion. This community lived and
>> > prospered in India without anyone trying to convert them
>> > and many returned to their homeland when the State of
>> > Israel was created! The same holds true for the Parsi
>> > refugees arriving from Persia when the forceful Muslim
>> > conversion was taking place there and they are still
>> > practicing their own ancient religion as Zoroastrians and
>> > no one tried to convert them. Recently, a large number of
>> > Tibetians arrived in India along with the Dalai Lama and
>> > they were all received graciously and were given sanctuary.
>> >
>> > I suggest Mr. Williams should ask the Australian
>> > aboriginals or the American Indians if they would prefer to
>> > be untouched by their foreign invaders or if they preferred
>> > to be forced to conform to an alien culture that was
>> > imposed on them, by forcefully removing their children to
>> > place them into Christian institutions where violence and
>> > sexual abuse was rampant. It has destroyed their self
>> > esteem, traditions and culture. The Eastern Indian social
>> > structure was designed that different castes served each
>> > other, each with a distinct duty to perform for the benefit
>> > of the whole of society.
>> >
>> > It was a farmer's duty to teach his son to be a good farmer
>> > and the merchant's to teach his son his craft, while the
>> > warrior was trained to be the protector and defender of
>> > all...........It is also noteworthy that governance was the
>> > duty of the Kshatryas not to rule by whims and despotism as
>> > it was the rulers privilege in the "civilized west" but to
>> > rule in accordance with the Vedic principles. Yet the
>> > highest caste, above them all was not the Kings who were
>> > given the highest social position. It was the Brahmans who
>> > were the custodians of all the Vedic Sciences and knowledge
>> > and their duty was to teach and to preserve the knowledge
>> > of Vedas. The teachers, the priests, the doctors, the
>> > scientists and philosophers the poets and the writers were
>> > all Brahmans whose duty also included giving moral guidance
>> > to the Kings! It is simplistic to believe that a farmer or
>> > a potter would be capable to teach their children nuclear
>> > science or medicine or the Vedas!
>> >
>> > This educational system assured the proper training and
>> > apprenticeship of all with a life time of gainful
>> > employment for all the participants.
>> >
>> > This, Mr. Williams, has established an interesting value
>> > system in India, alien to the west! The most valuable asset
>> > was not money or power as it is today in the western value
>> > system! It was knowledge and wisdom that took decades to
>> > learn and a life time to acquire! And it was the society's
>> > duty to support the Brahmans to afford their study
>> > providing food, clothing and shelter to them.
>> >
>> > I am sure Mr. Williams is familiar with the existence of
>> > the "unwashed" wretched underclass in Dickens's Britain or
>> > Victor Hugo's France as it did exist in most of
>> > Europe......... Well, such a thing did not exist in India
>> > and these facts are well documented by historians all the
>> > way back to Alexander the Great's visit to India and was
>> > minutely recorded by Greek Historians such as Arrian,
>> > Diodorus, Plutarch and Strabo, accompanying Alexander. One
>> > thing these historians also commented on, was the absence
>> > of slavery that was an integral part of Hellenic culture!
>> >
>> > Today, most Indians are alienated and mostly ignorant about
>> > their culture, the Vedas and their history, and few
>> > understand the Vedic philosophy or its teachings or the
>> > highly advanced science it encompasses. They know little
>> > else about Hinduism, besides the ritualistic traditions.
>> > This Vedic social structure was put in place at the time
>> > when in the rest of the world slavery was rampant and
>> > pivotal to every European Empire! Don't forget slavery was
>> > widely practiced in the United States until the Civil War
>> > to the 1860's and desegregation only started in the 1960's
>> > and the prejudices still exist until today.
>> >
>> > So I think, Mr. Williams your indignation is somewhat ill
>> > placed and perhaps it would serve a better purpose if you
>> > dealt with more dire social issues that you may be more
>> > knowledgeable about, and better qualified to deal with.
>> >
>> > Source -
>> >
>>
>> http://hinduamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=
>> 9
>> >
>> > More at:
>> >
>>
>> http://www.hinduvoice.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20070802140
>> 817&list=nll
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> > Om Shanti
>> >
>> > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
>> > educational
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 8:31 am
From: "M. Ranjit Mathews"
On Dec 20, 9:32 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> It is also noteworthy that governance was the
> duty of the Kshatryas not to rule by whims and despotism as
> it was the rulers privilege in the "civilized west" but to
> rule in accordance with the Vedic principles. Yet the
> highest caste, above them all was not the Kings who were
> given the highest social position. It was the Brahmans
Do we know that Brahmanas were given the highest social position by
other varnas? Or do we only know that Brahmanas authored works in
which they claimed to have the highest social position?
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 11:04 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
You are absolutely right about Ganga mata. I sprinkled Ganga jal
a Pooja today, as every day.
Please show your friend the following listing -- an estate for
sale for $35 million in my neighborhood:
Kailua estate's $36M listing sets Windward record
http://www.starbulletin.com/business/20091030_Kailua_estates_36M_listing_sets_Windward_record.html
It's pretty close to where Obama stays when he comes to Hawaii, so
the price can be negotiated down easily. However, it's no palace. As
a matter of fact, there's only one palace in the U.S.: the Iolani
Palace in Honolulu and it's not for sale since it's designated as a
National Monument. So your friend may have to look elsewhere.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
In article <4b30f2b5$0$5315$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> many will not agree with this - only because they have not known better -
> but living on the bank of ganga ji makes for a far happier life, and
> spiritually more uplifting, than in the best palaces of the world. many
> people keep ganga jal (water) at their home in small bottle as the next best
> thing.
>
> btw, did i tell you that i have a friend, who specializes in short selling
> is looking to buy a palace?
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > She needs to return all the loot to Bharat and pay compensation to
> > the families of Hindus who were slaughtered by the Brits. After that
> > she can live under a tree on the banks of Ganga for the rest of her
> > life.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> > In article <4b2faab5$0$5356$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> give a brits a good thing, and they will mess it up. even their queen is
> >> tired of them.
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >>
> >> > The British 'caste system' is more prevalent than the Indian
> >> >
> >> > indiaview.wordpress.com
> >> >
> >> > (G. C. Asnani: "Caste" System prevails throughout the
> >> > world, in one form or the other, as a natural process.
> >> > Only Hindu society has been mis-represented by
> >> > [Christian] missionaries on this issue.)
> >> >
> >> > -From: Yashwini1@aol.com
> >> > -Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2007
> >> >
> >> > The British 'caste system' is more prevalent than the
> >> > Indian
> >> >
> >> > http://indiaview.wordpress.com
> >> >
> >> > Written by Edward Hamala
> >> >
> >> > In response to the letter by Roger Williams captioned "The
> >> > Rig Veda does refer to caste" (07.07.23) I thought I might
> >> > share a few points with your readers. The Indian "caste
> >> > system" that has so outraged Mr. Roger Williams, makes me
> >> > wonder if he is equally outraged by the British "caste
> >> > system" that is even more prevalent, although it is well
> >> > hidden and "invisible" in the British and some European
> >> > societies, where the nobility still exist, than it is in
> >> > India today, where all noble titles have been abolished. I
> >> > would like to ask Mr. Williams when objecting to
> >> > birthrights why has he failed to raise the same objection
> >> > to the British Nobility and the Landed Gentry's birthright,
> >> > inheriting their title, social status while they are also
> >> > guaranteed perpetual political power by inheriting a peer-
> >> > ship and a seat in the British House of Lords, the highest
> >> > legislative body of the land?
> >> >
> >> > Few of us believe the existence of a truly egalitarian
> >> > society in the west today or anywhere for that matter!
> >> >
> >> > When was the last time that Mr. Williams had a drink at the
> >> > local pub with Lord Spencer? Or had tea with Prince
> >> > Phillip?
> >> >
> >> > Did you know that the English nobility are distinctly
> >> > noticeable by their education and grooming in institutions
> >> > such as Wetherby, Ludgrove, and Eton or the Royal Academy
> >> > at Sandhurst? They even speak a different language, the
> >> > King's English, free from colloquialism and dialects
> >> > distinctly separating them, and distinguishing them from
> >> > ordinary commoners, as soon as they open their mouths.
> >> >
> >> > May I also remind you that the Indian Social Structure as
> >> > it was depicted in the Vedas Millenniums ago, made it an
> >> > edict to leave Tribals and Adivasis alone and not to impose
> >> > Hindu religion, culture or values on them.
> >> >
> >> > The word "caste" my friend is an English word! The Sanskrit
> >> > word for "caste" is "Varna" and it means vocation or
> >> > occupation and does not mean "caste" as it does in the
> >> > English interpretation or translation of the term!
> >> >
> >> > Likewise, "untouchable" meant not to go near them, don't
> >> > touch them, don't intermarry with them and don't corrupt
> >> > their culture don't try to conform them. Leave them alone!
> >> >
> >> > The unfortunate thing was that Mahatma Gandhi was also
> >> > British educated, trained as a lawyer and had little or no
> >> > knowledge about the ancient Vedic philosophy, history or
> >> > culture. What little Gandhi knew about Vedic philosophy was
> >> > mostly thought to him by Vinoba Bhave, an avid freedom
> >> > fighter, a devoted supporter of the Mahatma who was a Hindu
> >> > monk and a highly educated Brahman who among other things
> >> > spoke 14 languages.
> >> >
> >> > It was Vinoba Bhave who connected Gandhi's political views
> >> > with Vedic values and philosophy that gained such a wide
> >> > appeal and the support of the Indian masses. If Gandhi
> >> > would have had a better grasp of Vedic Philosophy he would
> >> > have been able to counter many of these British myths and
> >> > instead of being an apologist he could have challenged and
> >> > defeated the British, the most classist society, at their
> >> > own game.
> >> >
> >> > Let me ask you, Mr. Williams, what modern country that you
> >> > know of today still have primitive tribals living
> >> > undisturbed, "uncivilized" and untouched by their society
> >> > living around them? As they do in the Andaman and Nicobar
> >> > Islands of India? Did you know that these islands are off
> >> > limits to all Indian citizens, to protect these tribals?
> >> >
> >> > Is it done to discriminate against the tribals as
> >> > "untouchables" or is it done to protect them?
> >> >
> >> > The State of Assam, was a similar tribal area until it got
> >> > overran by zealous Christian Missionaries that have
> >> > destroyed their social fibre and their culture.
> >> >
> >> > Westerners can't seem to resist the temptation of trying to
> >> > impose their political and social values and religions on
> >> > other cultures!
> >> >
> >> > How many societies does Mr. Williams know, where a group of
> >> > refugees arrived and sought refuge as the Jews did in
> >> > Kerala, India in 70 AD and were given sanctuary and freedom
> >> > to practice their religion. This community lived and
> >> > prospered in India without anyone trying to convert them
> >> > and many returned to their homeland when the State of
> >> > Israel was created! The same holds true for the Parsi
> >> > refugees arriving from Persia when the forceful Muslim
> >> > conversion was taking place there and they are still
> >> > practicing their own ancient religion as Zoroastrians and
> >> > no one tried to convert them. Recently, a large number of
> >> > Tibetians arrived in India along with the Dalai Lama and
> >> > they were all received graciously and were given sanctuary.
> >> >
> >> > I suggest Mr. Williams should ask the Australian
> >> > aboriginals or the American Indians if they would prefer to
> >> > be untouched by their foreign invaders or if they preferred
> >> > to be forced to conform to an alien culture that was
> >> > imposed on them, by forcefully removing their children to
> >> > place them into Christian institutions where violence and
> >> > sexual abuse was rampant. It has destroyed their self
> >> > esteem, traditions and culture. The Eastern Indian social
> >> > structure was designed that different castes served each
> >> > other, each with a distinct duty to perform for the benefit
> >> > of the whole of society.
> >> >
> >> > It was a farmer's duty to teach his son to be a good farmer
> >> > and the merchant's to teach his son his craft, while the
> >> > warrior was trained to be the protector and defender of
> >> > all...........It is also noteworthy that governance was the
> >> > duty of the Kshatryas not to rule by whims and despotism as
> >> > it was the rulers privilege in the "civilized west" but to
> >> > rule in accordance with the Vedic principles. Yet the
> >> > highest caste, above them all was not the Kings who were
> >> > given the highest social position. It was the Brahmans who
> >> > were the custodians of all the Vedic Sciences and knowledge
> >> > and their duty was to teach and to preserve the knowledge
> >> > of Vedas. The teachers, the priests, the doctors, the
> >> > scientists and philosophers the poets and the writers were
> >> > all Brahmans whose duty also included giving moral guidance
> >> > to the Kings! It is simplistic to believe that a farmer or
> >> > a potter would be capable to teach their children nuclear
> >> > science or medicine or the Vedas!
> >> >
> >> > This educational system assured the proper training and
> >> > apprenticeship of all with a life time of gainful
> >> > employment for all the participants.
> >> >
> >> > This, Mr. Williams, has established an interesting value
> >> > system in India, alien to the west! The most valuable asset
> >> > was not money or power as it is today in the western value
> >> > system! It was knowledge and wisdom that took decades to
> >> > learn and a life time to acquire! And it was the society's
> >> > duty to support the Brahmans to afford their study
> >> > providing food, clothing and shelter to them.
> >> >
> >> > I am sure Mr. Williams is familiar with the existence of
> >> > the "unwashed" wretched underclass in Dickens's Britain or
> >> > Victor Hugo's France as it did exist in most of
> >> > Europe......... Well, such a thing did not exist in India
> >> > and these facts are well documented by historians all the
> >> > way back to Alexander the Great's visit to India and was
> >> > minutely recorded by Greek Historians such as Arrian,
> >> > Diodorus, Plutarch and Strabo, accompanying Alexander. One
> >> > thing these historians also commented on, was the absence
> >> > of slavery that was an integral part of Hellenic culture!
> >> >
> >> > Today, most Indians are alienated and mostly ignorant about
> >> > their culture, the Vedas and their history, and few
> >> > understand the Vedic philosophy or its teachings or the
> >> > highly advanced science it encompasses. They know little
> >> > else about Hinduism, besides the ritualistic traditions.
> >> > This Vedic social structure was put in place at the time
> >> > when in the rest of the world slavery was rampant and
> >> > pivotal to every European Empire! Don't forget slavery was
> >> > widely practiced in the United States until the Civil War
> >> > to the 1860's and desegregation only started in the 1960's
> >> > and the prejudices still exist until today.
> >> >
> >> > So I think, Mr. Williams your indignation is somewhat ill
> >> > placed and perhaps it would serve a better purpose if you
> >> > dealt with more dire social issues that you may be more
> >> > knowledgeable about, and better qualified to deal with.
> >> >
> >> > Source -
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://hinduamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=
> >> 9
> >> >
> >> > More at:
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.hinduvoice.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20070802140
> >> 817&list=nll
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >> >
> >> > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> >> > educational
> >> > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may
> >> > not
> >> > have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of
> >> > the
> >> > poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption
> >> > for
> >> > fair use of copyrighted works.
> >> > o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
> >> > considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
> >> > current
> >> > e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
> >> > o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others
> >> > are
> >> > not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the
> >> > article.
> >> >
> >> > FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use
> >> > of
> >> > which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright
> >> > owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 11:24 am
From: "P. Rajah"
Jay Stevens Maharaj aka the jyotishithead wrote:
> You are absolutely right about Ganga mata. I sprinkled Ganga jal
> a Pooja today, as every day.
>
> Please show your friend the following listing -- an estate for
> sale for $35 million in my neighborhood:
Jay, you moron, Usenet is not the place to exchange e-mails. Doubtless
you two clowns are aware of that, and have each other's e-mail
addresses, so your "private" exchanges on Usenet are obviously just so
much manure, like your "scienti predicci jyotish".
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TOPIC: ***** UPPER AND LOWER CASTE CHRISTIANS CLASH, POLICE SHOOT AND KILL ****
* Jai Maharaj posts
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 21 2009 11:47 am
From: "P. Rajah"
harmony aka pradipshithead parekh wrote:
> like everything else, kirastanistas mess up a good thing, specially if it is
> a hindu thing.
That's right, here are kirastanis messing things up again:
Monday , Dec 14, 2009 at 0150 hrs
Rajkot:
Clashes between two scheduled caste groups at Chasiya village in Jasdan
taluka of Rajkot district has left the locals tensed for two days.
Security continued to be tight for the second day on Sunday following
the boycott of Dalits by the Kolis. But both the Congress and BJP have
been accusing each other of adding fuel to the fire.
The Rajkot rural police are on the trail of seven people accused in two
different incidents. Hemant Savaliya, who had allegedly attacked one
Hada Vala (40) for preventing entry in a temple, is one of them. The six
others had given a boycott call against Dalits in a Koli dominated village.
It all started when Vala was attacked with an axe on December 8 at the
temple premises. He was admitted in the Rajkot Civil Hospital. On
December 11, Gyanshyal Vala registered an FIR against six people for
giving a boycott call against Dalits, that they be given nothing from
shops and no rides in public vehicles. The six named in the FIR are
Kadva Jograjia, Zaver Rathod, Kunwar Jograjia, Lagharabhai Sarviya,
Mansingh Khisadia and Mohan Suvan.
--------------------------------------------------------
Vibrant Gujarat? 98% Dalits have to drink tea in separate cups
Vijaysinh Parmar, TNN 8 December 2009, 02:02am IST
SANAND (Ahmedabad dist): This is the taluka where Tata Motors has parked
its small car project. Nano has become a symbol of Gujarat's pride and
became a centre of attraction at the last Vibrant Gujarat investment
summit in January 2009.
But scratch the surface, and the scene is gloomy beneath this economic
boom in the state. Bhikhabhai Solanki, 50, a native of Lodariyal
village, has never shaken hands with non-Dalits in his life. Bhikhabhai,
an agricultural labourer, is Valmiki by caste - the lowest of the
socially downtrodden. "We are untouchables and nobody touches us here,"
he says.
The farmer he works for keeps a tea-cup outside his house. Whenever
Bhikhabhai arrived for work in the morning or leaves after finishing in
the evening, tea is poured into the cup. Strangely, this form of
untouchability goes in the name of religion. These cups are called 'Ram
patra'.
The practice thrives across Gujarat, without exception, and has been
documented extensively in a first-of-its-kind study on a large scale,
representing 98,000 Dalits across 1,655 villages in Gujarat. The study
has been carried out by Ahmedabad-based Navsarjan Trust with three
US-based organisations - the Kroc Institute for International Peace
Studies at the University of Notre Dame, Indiana, Dartmouth College at
the University of Michigan and Robert F Kennedy Centre for Social
Justice and Human Rights, Washington, D.C.
"This has been going on for generations. The only change is that earlier
there used to be cups made of clay and now they are made of steel," says
Bhikhabhai. He confesses that drinking the tea offered by his master
does hurt his dignity. But then, he does not want to lose his daily wage
because he has to feed five other members of his family. His
daughter-in-law, Ambha, agrees. She points out that she carries her own
utensils to work, but the person who serves the afternoon meal at the
farm drops the food into the plate without touching it.
In Lodariyal, Dalit women can't touch vegetables at the shop just to
sample them. Only once they pay up, and the money is kept on the side
and not handed over, the vegetables are flung into the hollow of their
saree. The tea stall owner gives tea to Dalits only in disposable
plastic cups. Others get it in ceramic cups.
According to the study, 98 per cent of the respondents said that
non-Dalits keep separate utensils at home to serve them food or tea. The
same discrimination goes only slight down to 96 per cent on farms.
Dalit rights activist Martin Macwan of Navsarjan Trust says: "In every
step of untouchability, the same concept is being applied - that of
purity. Gujarat has only tried to dignify an indignity by calling these
separate utensils as 'Ram patra'".
-----------------------------------------------------------
Caste clash rocks Chennai Law College
Three students were seriously injured in a violent caste clash that
broke out between two groups of students at Ambedkar Law College on
Wednesday.The students waged a pitched battle, even as a posse of
policemen waited outside the gates and news photographers clicked
pictures.Knives, iron rods, wooden logs and tubelights were freely used
by the clashing students. The police remained silent spectators, waiting
for a call from the college principal for help.Tension has been running
high inside the campus since October 30. According to police sources, a
few Dalit students objected to the institution being referred to as just
'government law college' without the pre-fix 'Dr Ambedkar' in posters
put up inside the campus by students from a caste Hindu community.It
degenerated into an ugly skirmish and police advised the principal to
look into the matter and set up a peace committee. The efforts of the
college authorities and the police to bring unity among the students
were in vain.Since it was the first year Dalit students who confronted
seniors on the poster issue, the latter allegedly vowed not to allow
them to sit for the examination.On Wednesday, trouble started when the
caste Hindu students tried to prevent freshers of the Dalit community
from appearing for the semester examination.As a group waited with
lethal weapons inside the college to attack the junior students, a few
seniors escorted them inside the examination hall. Suddenly, the armed
group attacked the Dalit students. Chitirai Selvan (21), a fourth year
student, sustained serious injuries in the ear and back of the head and
was admitted at Stanley hospital.A group of Dalit students retaliated.In
the attack, Arumugham (20), a third year student, was injured and
brought in a semi-conscious state to Government General Hospital.
Ayyadurai (20), a second year student, sustained injuries to his right
hand, forehead and leg. A third year student, Bharathi Kannan, was
injured in both hands, forehead and thigh.Finally, the principal called
the police, who rushed in and chased the students away.The police filed
a complaint with the police naming Gubendran, Ravindran,
Chithiraiselvan, Manimaran, Vetrikondan, Prem Kumar and Ravi Verman.
Three of them were taken into custody by the police.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 12:16 pm
From: "harmony"
who needs more educating than hunkered down hunter?
a hint to hunter: nobody.
<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091220T2Z81Y236WQ34x1MJoNokr1@WbTC6...
> Please do crosspost.
>
> "If you feel an article will be
> of interest to more than one Newsgroup,
> be sure to CROSSPOST the article rather
> than individually post it to those groups."
>
> - Netiquette Guidelines, S. Hambridge,
> Network Working Group, Intel Corporation,
> 2880 Northwestern Parkway,
> Santa Clara, CA 95052 USA; October 1995.
>
> "I remind you that cross-posting is not
> spamming. With cross-posting, only a single
> article is sent into each news server. With
> spamming, you have many separate copies of
> the same article sent to different
> newsgroups." - K. M. Taira
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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TOPIC: ***** CASTE IN AMERICA - Minority groups under-represented in tech *****
Jai Maharaj posts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/fd788bc442c687eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 5:29 pm
From: "harmony"
"cornholio" <andxornot@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49944762-80d3-4f4f-b8fa-aa873962cdb5@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 20, 6:14 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> CASTE IN AMERICA - Minority groups underrepresented in tech
>
> Study: Minority groups underrepresented in tech
>
> By Dylan McGrath
> EE Times
> Wednesday, June 3, 2009
>
> San Francisco - Underrepresented minorities make up a very small
> proportion of high technology workforces, especially in senior level,
> according the results of a study released Monday (June 1). The study,
> conducted by the Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology, found
> that 6.1 percent of technical men and 8.2 percent of technical women
> in Silicon Valley high-tech companies are underrepresented
> minorities. The underrepresented minority groups are defined as
> African-American/Black, Latino/ Hispanic, and Native American/Native
> Hawaiians.
>
> The problem is particularly acute for women of color, which represent
> less than 2 percent of high-level technical positions, the study
> finds. . . .
>
<<Tough shit tan klanner. I find whitey to be under-represented in ALL
FACETS of life in:
India,>>
not so.
whites are over represented in bollywood movies.
some businesses in india have "whites only" policy.
<<the ENTIRE African continent.>>
> Continues here:
>
> http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2264027/posts
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 22 2009 5:36 pm
From: cornholio
On Dec 22, 5:29 pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:49944762-80d3-4f4f-b8fa-aa873962cdb5@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 20, 6:14 pm, use...@mantra.com and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
>
>
>
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> > CASTE IN AMERICA - Minority groups underrepresented in tech
>
> > Study: Minority groups underrepresented in tech
>
> > By Dylan McGrath
> > EE Times
> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009
>
> > San Francisco - Underrepresented minorities make up a very small
> > proportion of high technology workforces, especially in senior level,
> > according the results of a study released Monday (June 1). The study,
> > conducted by the Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology, found
> > that 6.1 percent of technical men and 8.2 percent of technical women
> > in Silicon Valley high-tech companies are underrepresented
> > minorities. The underrepresented minority groups are defined as
> > African-American/Black, Latino/ Hispanic, and Native American/Native
> > Hawaiians.
>
> > The problem is particularly acute for women of color, which represent
> > less than 2 percent of high-level technical positions, the study
> > finds. . . .
>
> <<Tough shit tan klanner. I find whitey to be under-represented in ALL
> FACETS of life in:
>
> India,>>
>
> not so.
> whites are over represented in bollywood movies.
> some businesses in india have "whites only" policy.
>
Proof please Vishwesh.
How many whiteys hold government posts in
India tan-klanner?
How many whiteys hold elected office in India
Vishwesh?
Pot, kettle, black.
> <<the ENTIRE African continent.>>
>
> > Continues here:
>
> >http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2264027/posts
>
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
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