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TOPIC: IRAN TEST-FIRES ITS LONGEST-RANGE MISSILE
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 3:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <hgbiv7$uma$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile
> >
> > The Associated Press
> > FOX News
> > Wednesday, December 16, 2009
> >
> > Tehran - Iran said Wednesday it has successfully tested what it called
> > an upgraded version of its longest-range, solid-fuel missile.
> >
> > State television broke the news in a one-sentence report that gave no
> > details on the test of the Sajjil-2 missile, a high-speed, surface-
> > to-surface missile with a range of about 1,200 miles.
> >
> > That range places Israel, Iran's sworn enemy, well within reach and
> > reaches as far away as southeastern Europe with greater precision than
> > earlier models.
> >
> > Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor declined to comment on
> > the latest missile test.
> >
> > Iran has intensified its missile development program in recent years, a
> > source of serious concern in Israel, the United States and its Western
> > allies at a time when they accuse Tehran of seeking to build a nuclear
> > weapon. Iran, which is under several sets of U.N. sanctions over its
> > nuclear program, denies the charges and says its nuclear program is
> > aimed solely at generating electricity.
> >
> > The name "Sajjil" means "baked clay," a reference to a story in the
> > Quran, Islam's holy book, in which birds sent by God drive off an enemy
> > army attacking the holy city of Mecca by pelting them with stones of
> > baked clay.
> >
> > Solid-fuel missiles like the Sajjil-2 are more accurate than the liquid
> > fuel missiles of similar range currently possessed by Iran. The country
> > has for several years had a solid-fuel missile, the Fateh, but with the
> > much shorter range of 120 miles.
> >
> > Iran's arms manufacturing program began during the country's ruinous
> > 1980-88 war with neighboring Iraq to compensate for a U.S. arms embargo.
> > Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers,
> > missiles and a fighter plane. The actual capabilities of the weapons,
> > including the accuracy and range of the country's homemade missiles, are
> > difficult to ascertain given the secrecy of the Iranian military.
> >
> > More at:
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580341,00.html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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> So what?

Those could become famous last words if the Iranian threat is not neutralized.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: china bridges honkong to mainland
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 3:55 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

A 30-mile bridge, actually, but still claimed to be the
"longest sea-crossing bridge" in the world. They say that
it will be completed in 2016. So the jobs Obama promised
must be there.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b29331e$0$5348$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> a 50 mile long bridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> and no opposition by people, unlike in mumbai where millions were spent in
> bribing 3m guys to get out of the way just to build 3 mile bridge.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8416141.stm
>
>

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TOPIC: LOVE JIHAD IS REAL, SAYS KERALA HIGH COURT
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 3:58 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

*--=== Choose Booze, You Lose ===--*

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b291a49$0$5340$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> i have been very seriously telling kerala hindus to knock it off on daroo,
> get thier senses together, and stand up for the meaning of their tradition
> if they value their existence. the 3m is killing spirit!!!!
> more they delay, worse it will be.
>
>
> "Athish Ravikanth" <athishravikanth@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ed76bff-4e6f-4b71-900c-9ee9a2419c5c@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Jai Hind,
>
> Wants law to stop forced conversions
>
> The Kerala High Court on Wednesday stated that forced conversions,
> termed as Love Jihad or Romeo Jihad, and efforts for that were a
> reality in the State despite the arguments by the Kerala Director
> General of Police, and Union Home Department to the contrary.
>
> Stating that the State Government had the responsibility to check
> forced conversions, the court asked it to formulate legislation on the
> lines of the other States.
>
> Rejecting a petition for anticipatory bail in a Love Jihad case filed
> by Shehenshah, a Muslim youth, who had allegedly forced a non-Muslim
> MBA girl student of a Pathanamthitta college in the name of love, the
> court said that campuses should not be turned into venues for forced
> conversions through false love affairs.
>
> Justice KT Sankaran also rejected another petition seeking a ban on
> the use of the terms Love Jihad and Romeo Jihad.
>
> Earlier, Kerala DGP Jacob Punnoose had submitted in the court that no
> evidence was available to prove the existence of an organised movement
> in the State, specialising in converting non-Muslim girls into Islam
> through treacherous love affairs. Subsequently, the Union Home
> Department told the court that it had no information of any movement
> anywhere in the country specialising in such conversion methods.
>
> Justice Sankaran also pointed out that the reports submitted by top
> police officials in the State were of contradictory in nature. The DGP
> had told the court that there were no "actionable" evidences to
> suggest that such a conversion campaign was on in Kerala but
> indications of possibility of such a programme was there. The court
> also said that 14 out of the 18 reports from SPs on the matter,
> submitted by the DGP, were of no value or use.
>
> However, police reports themselves had made it clear that forced
> conversions through love affairs as a movement had been going on in
> Kerala since 1996. The judge said that the police reports had
> indicated that about 4,000 conversions had taken place through love
> affairs in the past four years, and 2,800 girls of other religions had
> undergone conversion into Islam in this period.
>
> He also said that 1,600 such conversions had taken place in four
> northern districts, including Malappuram, Kerala's Muslim-majority
> district. It was evident from the report submitted by the DGP that
> outfits like Islamist Popular Front of India (earlier NDF) and its
> student wing, the Campus Front, were behind the organised campus-based
> conversion programme, said Justice Sankaran.
>
> He added that the DGP's report had also indicated that Muslim
> conversion centres had been functioning in Kozhikode district.
>
> Though the Constitution guaranteed equal rights to all religions, the
> right for faith should not be used for forced conversions and
> conversions through treachery, the judge said. Mixed marriages could
> be promoted but such marriages should not be used as tools for forced
> or treacherous conversions, he pointed out.
>
> He also said that several other States had formulated legislations for
> preventing forced conversions and the people and the Government of
> Kerala should consider formulation of such legislation in view of the
> particular context.
>
>
> Jai Hind,
> Athish Ravikanth
> 9379030409, 9945969917
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/bharat-jagruti-morcha?hl=en
>
>

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TOPIC: SEX CRIMES BY CHRISTIAN PRIESTS - THIRD CLERICAL SEX ABUSE INQUIRY TO
RUN UNTIL SUMMER
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:08 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

In article <4b293cf7$0$5348$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

> "Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology" <jpturcaud@neuf.fr>
> wrote in message
> news:470a8742-0666-43b2-a56c-f501ebcceacd@t19g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> <<Altruism shown by Christian
> Priests is unique in term of alleviating suffering & poverty, to which
> the Hindous, Bhoudists, Islamists & Jews are of course insensible !
>
> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
> Australia Mining Pioneer
> Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
> Gold Mine)
> Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
> Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
> Founder of the True Geology>>

> you woluldn't say that when your canary dies.

Nice dialogue there, harmony ji.
Mollywood (formerly Bollywood) may make a movie about this issue
and contact you for writing more!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: THE DANGERS OF CO2 CONTROLS
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:19 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

The dangers of CO2 controls

Republican American
Wednesday, December 16, 2009

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has entered a strange new
world where a substance harmless to fauna and essential to the
continued existence of flora is the target of an "endangerment
finding." During its first 36 years, the EPA focused on demonstrably
hazardous substances used or emitted by manufacturing and
transportation industries, agriculture, energy producers and
individuals. The menace du jour is carbon dioxide, a substance for
which humans have a high tolerance and without which all plant life
would die, and humanity along with it.

The argument is CO2 caused by the burning of fossil fuels causes
warming because the gas traps heat in the atmosphere. This trend, we
are told, can be harmful to humans. What we seldom hear is
historically, civilizations have fared better during warm times than
cold periods. Moreover, nobody knows what causes climate change,
which has come and gone without human intervention. As James
Barrante, retired professor of physical chemistry at Southern
Connecticut State University, has patiently pointed out in these
pages, rising CO2 levels don't cause global warming; in fact, global
warming causes CO2 levels to rise. That's because oceans release CO2
as they warm and absorb it as they cool.

The EPA's "endangerment finding" guarantees more jobs will migrate to
countries that do not impose such onerous restrictions on
manufacturers. Simultaneously, it will increase the costs of energy
and products, including motor vehicles. And it will breed wasteful
legislation and costly litigation, as industry tries to protect its
interests while pushing Congress to enact something less onerous.

Add to these economic hazards the current 10 percent unemployment
rate, and you have a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll that found just
45 percent of Americans believe human activity causes warming,
compared with 56 percent just two years ago. The growing skepticism
may be rooted in self-interest, or it may have something to do with
the Climategate e-mail scandal. Perhaps, too, it has begun to sink in
that no discernible warming has occurred in 11 years despite a
continuing increase in CO2 levels.

If the polls, Professor Barrante and other scientists who share his
view are right, why is our government doing this to us? Simply, it's
all about control. If the government can control energy use, it can
control every aspect of our lives -- what cars we drive, where we
work, what we do for recreation, what we eat and drink, even how many
children we have and how we bring them up. In the fullness of time,
the so-called climate crisis will wane, but the control mechanisms
established in the name of controlling CO2 emissions will remain
firmly in place.

This, and a crushing burden of debt, will be our legacy to our
grandchildren and great-grandchildren if we allow the government to
continue on its glide path to socialism, or worse.

More at:
http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2009/12/16/opinion/455438.txt

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:00 pm
From: kangarooistan

On Dec 17, 10:19 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> The dangers of CO2 controls
>
Taxing carbon is not going to help control global warming
Copenhagen is clearly a TRAP to enslave the entire world into
permitting the World Carbon Trading Bank gather a small amount from
every man woman and child on earth

Exactly like the " salt tax " was used to control India for centuries
transferring poo r and wealth to those who simply had control of a
vital resource

Slowly over time it WILL be used to impoverish the masses and reward
the ruling elites and harvest the entire world economy under jewish
control from the bank in New York
kanga
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:00 pm
From: Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times

On Dec 16, 11:07 am, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are certainly correct dear Mr Kanga, this is why that fucking
White Anglo-australian Christian shit could not admit that it was a
most gallant INDEPENDANT FRENCH MINING PROSPECTOR WHO FOUND ALL THOSE
IMMENSE RICHNESS OF THE GREAT SANDY DESERT ...

A MIGRANT to boost only 4 years into the land, who was behind such
amazing discoveries bringing immense richness to the Nation at large.
THIS WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE UNIVERSITIES FORMATED
PARASITES ... and although the Australian Geological Frauds, the
Mining Criminals have been praised sky high by the Political Criminals
of the West Australia & Feral Whorehouse aka Parliaments, they are at
a loss now to determine officially the name of the major Criminal
Fraud Tyrwhitt ( the most rotten out of 7 official geological frauds
claimants ) is the one recognized since 40 years now by the Mining
Manure of Newcrest as well aa Newmont / BHP /Boral Mining Criminals !

The genius of a single True Geologist, with a centuries old pedigree,
is so much above the level of those painfully Universities mass
programmed Gogos aka Gogologists, masquerading as geologists the world
over, that on a scale of reference it's like blind men compared to one
who sees !

40 years later that White Christian Anglo-Saxon Filth appears to have
won the party, having grabbed not only the Mines I discovered, but
sending back NOTING in return ... even the credit for the Discoveries
were stolen ( and this something I would spitefully refuse now since
of no value indeed coming from such degenerate cunts ) HOWEVER what
they did not know, that australian Filth, is the fact that I had that
gift to command to Nature ... especially to Water , and I have to tell
you, my friend, that not only those Mining & Political Criminals have
missed on the other rich fields I would have handed out, but as well
have lost over a 1000s times what they stole to me. Indeed the DDD or
Divine Drudging Drought which I have ordered 11 years ago in 1998
precisely had done wonder to laminate the Land of Bastards ... and
this is not finished since the worse will be always ahead unless all
those Criminals repent real fast ....

Soon the very cities of that Land of Bastards which unfortunately you
are living in, will be gutted by fires before in a second phase being
completely swamped by water ! Millions of Sheeple will die but believe
you me, I will not shed a single dear on their fate !!!

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Founder of the True Geology

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TOPIC: Ayodhya for Dummies
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:48 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the US.
That is why he hates the US so much.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b2920f4$0$5341$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> vir sanghvi has admitted openly that he is a commie. he was very indignant
> once at usa for rejecting his commie dad's visa in old cold war days.
>
>
> "Mirza Ghalib" <mghalib01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:15632d27-c77d-4a0e-bef4-ceb123e3ba5d@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Also read a hilarious rebuttal, lampooning Sanghvi, "Vir Sanghvi for
> Dummies"
> at the following URL
>
> http://www.sandeepweb.com/2009/12/08/december-8-vir-sanghvi-for-dummies/
>
> By the way, this Sanghvi character is a follower of the Irfan Habib
> line,
> in an attempt to pin the blame for the demolition of temples to
> Buddhists,
> in effect, creating a whole new line of historical distortion, namely,
> Hindu Buddhist riots and assorted conflicts!
> ====================================================
> AYODHYA FOR DUMMIES
>
> By Vir Sanghvi, Hindustan Times Dec 6
>
> You would have thought that the fuss over the Liberhan Report would
> have died down by now. And in many ways, it has. The newspapers
> certainly appear to have moved on.
>
> But each day, when I look at the questions that readers send me on my
> website or when I talk to young people, I recognise how the report has
> brought the Ayodhya issue back to our consciousness. But many younger
> readers seem mystified by the fuss and annoyed by the refusal of
> journos to tell them what it was all about.
>
> So here are my replies to the questions I am frequently asked on this
> subject.
>
> 1. Was there a Hindu temple on this site? And was it destroyed to
> build a mosque?
>
> Ans. We don't know. Archaeologists are divided on the issue and sadly,
> these divisions often reflect ideological biases. What we can say for
> certain is this: nobody can absolutely rule out the possibility of a
> temple having existed here at some stage.
>
> 2. Did Muslim invaders destroy Hindu temples?
>
> Ans. The sad answer is yes, they did. Some of this was for the
> purposes of looting (temples were rich) but some of the destruction
> was religion-driven.
>
> 3. Wasn't this terrible?
>
> Ans. Yes it was. There is no getting around that. Religious tolerance
> was not always a quality prized by medieval Muslim warriors.
>
> But let's keep in mind that those were different times. There was an
> era when Hinduism had been eclipsed in much of India by Buddhism. When
> Hinduism made a comeback some centuries later, Hindu kings destroyed
> Buddhist monasteries, more or less throwing Buddhism out of India.
>
> So nobody's hands are entirely clean in these matters.
>
> 4. Shouldn't we rebuild all the temples that were destroyed?
>
> Ans. Why? What purpose would it serve? Would it make Hinduism a better
> religion if we did that? Should Hindus also offer to rebuild all the
> Buddhist monasteries that were destroyed?
> Nothing is really achieved by going back in history to set right
> wrongs that were committed centuries ago. And the costs of such an
> exercise can be terrible for present day society.
>
> 5. Then why create such a fuss over the Babri Masjid?
>
> Ans. Well, because some Hindus claim that it was not just any old
> site. They claim that a temple that marked the birthplace of Ram had
> stood there.
> Thus, this was a spot of great religious significance to Hindus. After
> all, a great Hindu God had been born on this piece of land.
>
> 6. Was this true?
>
> Ans. Probably not. There are many controversies about the historical
> Ram, his very existence and the location of his Ayodhya. Some
> historians and archaeologists dispute that today's Ayodhya is the same
> as the Ayodhya of the Ramayana.
>
> Moreover, several other spots have also been claimed as birthplaces of
> Ram. So it is not clear that this one has any special claim. It is
> just one of many.
>
> Besides, the overwhelming majority of Hindus had never heard of this
> spot till the controversy began. So if Ram was born here thousands of
> years ago, why did most of us only hear of the place in the mid-80s?
>
> 7. Didn't LK Advani know all this?
>
> Ans. Yes, he did. His view was that archaeology and history did not
> matter. If Hindus believed that this was the birthplace of Ram, then
> that was all that mattered. It was a question of faith.
>
> But as we have seen, Hindus did not actually believe any of this till
> Advani told them so.
> 8. What did Advani want?
>
> Ans. Actually, none of this was Advani's or the BJP's idea. Under
> Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the BJP was busy pursuing a moderate agenda. The
> Ayodhya agitation was the Vishwa Hindu Parishad's movement. It was
> only when it seemed to be gathering steam in Uttar Pradesh that Advani
> hijacked the movement and turned it into a BJP campaign (thereby,
> hijacking the BJP from Vajpayee as well).
>
> Having said that, Advani's demands were not outlandish or hysterical
> and that's despite how shameful his methods were. He wanted the masjid
> moved, brick by brick, to a nearby location so that a temple could
> come up on the so-called Ram Janmabhoomi site. He argued that mosques
> were moved all the time in Pakistan, when roads had to be constructed.
> So there were precedents.
>
> Besides, he said, this was not a functioning mosque. A dispute had
> prevented namaaz from being said there for decades. As the spot had no
> special significance for Muslims, wouldn't they be better off with a
> functioning mosque a short distance away? Hindus would be forever
> grateful to them for being so accommodating.
>
> 9. This sounds quite reasonable.
>
> Ans. Well, yes and no. Many Muslims saw this as the beginning of a
> process whereby many mosques would be shifted around in the name of
> avenging ancient wrongs. The VHP spoke of Kashi and Mathura being
> next. More demands were on the way.
> Muslim leaders decided to hold firm on this one.
>
> 10. Were they right to do so?
>
> Ans. That's a matter of opinion. My own view is that the Ayodhya
> movement was a farce designed to win votes for a declining BJP by
> focusing on a Ram Janmabhoomi which few of us had ever heard of.
>
> On the other hand, a massive Hindu backlash, fed by the intransigence
> and stupidity of Muslim leaders over such issues as Shah Bano and the
> Satanic Verses, was building up. Indian secularism was being derided
> as a way of appeasing Muslims.
> Given this background, I think Indian secularism would have gained if
> Muslim leaders had been more flexible.
>
> 11. Why is everybody so critical of Justice Liberhan?
>
> Ans. Because the guy took 17 years and over Rs 8 crore to tell us
> nothing new. Entire sections of the report seem to have been dictated
> from beyond the grave by Narasimha Rao.
> 12. If Ayodhya was such a big deal, why did the issue die down?
>
> Ans. Ayodhya was a symbol of two things: a growing anger among Hindus
> who felt that Muslims were being pampered by the state and Advani's
> vaulting ambition.
> When the BJP came to power, both factors vanished. Hindus could no
> longer claim that Muslims were being favoured. And Advani got the
> power he so desperately craved.
> End of movement. And, goodbye Lord Ram. The BJP did not need him any
> longer.
>
> (The views expressed by the author are personal.)
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 6:56 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091216DedJEZm8T4lEWOz48d5p66W@T1e0V...
> Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the
> US.

When? I visited the US only once, in 1987. My entire trip was sponsored
and paid for in full by my most loving public sector company, Bharat
Electronics. And why not, for in their great wisdom they knew that my paper
on Partial Match Retrieval that I read out in the International
Supercomputing Conference would change the world. Search engines rule the
planet.

It is true that I now live in Australia, but I was never denied entry into
the US because I never once applied for entry into the US after 1987.

As is well-known, this jBm (jai Bundurr maharaj, bundurr means monkey) is a
famous liar. Though I suspect that another creature has taken on the mantle
of the former and original villain of this name.

> That is why he hates the US so much.

I want them to become a lot better, and not make mistakes. That is love,
not hate. But what can a professional conman and fraud like jBm
understand - save how to lie, cheat and abuse?

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Om shanti indeed, this jBm fraud has a sense of humour.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Check out the HTN on
www.adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 7:01 pm
From: Jim

On Dec 16, 6:48 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:

> Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the US.

I think he's been to the U.S. Why would he be denied entry?
I don't care for his physics, but being unconventional isn't
grounds for being denied entry. This nation was built
by upstarts who were dissatisfied with the status quo
at home, as is well known.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:55 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Some may have picked up nast dust and pollen during the migration.
But the Chinese I know here in the US are smart and friendly. They
also support some the same charities that I do, one to a Hindu cause.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b2940a4$0$5355$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

> no wonder the chinese are so smart. but what mde them so sneaky and
> ruthless?

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Ancestors of Chinese came from India: Study
> >
> > By Prashanth G N, TNN
> > The Times of India
> > Saturday, December 12, 2009
> >
> > Bangalore - The ancestors of most Asian populations, including the
> > Chinese and southeast Asians, came from India, a new genetic study
> > across 10 countries has revealed. The study found that humans first
> > migrated to the Indian subcontinent from Africa some 100,000 years
> > ago and then spread to other parts of Asia.
> >
> > "When humans moved out of Africa, there was a migration to India and
> > from India to southeast Asia and then east Asia, and finally to the
> > Americas. So, all Asians have a genetic connection with India,"
> > Mitali Mukerji, a scientist from the Institute of Genomics and
> > Integrative Biology who was in the team, said.
> >
> > The study -- Mapping Human Genetic History in Asia -- was conducted
> > in 10 Asian countries including India. Apart from the Council of
> > Scientific and Industrial Research DG Samir Brahmachari, the Indian
> > study team comprised eight members and some students from IGIB, New
> > Delhi, anthropologist Partha Majumdar and researchers from the Centre
> > for Genomic Applications.
> >
> > The study contradicts earlier findings that humans directly went to
> > East Asia from Africa. The study found remarkable similarities
> > between the Dravidian population of south India and specific
> > populations in Malaysia and Singapore. More interestingly, north
> > Indians and Dravidians, too, were found to be genetically connected --
> > meaning there are similarities in their gene structures.
> >
> > More at:
> >
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ancestors-of-Chinese-came-from-India
> -Study/articleshow/5328596.cms
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
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TOPIC: SECOND GRADERS IN THE U.S. TOLD TO SING ABOUT ALLAH
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:11 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Second Graders Sing About Allah?

FOX News Radio
Monday, December 14, 2009

A battle over religion is brewing in central Indiana after a public
school wanted second graders to sing a song declaring, "Allah is
God." The phrase was removed just before the performance after a
national conservative group launched a protest.

The principal of Lantern Road Elementary School in Fishers, IN, said
they were trying to teach inclusiveness through their holiday
production. It included references to Christmas, Hanukkah, Ramadan,
Las Posadas and Kwanzaa. However, no other deity, other than Allah,
was referenced in the show.

"It went off . . . without a hitch," Danielle Thompson told the
Indianapolis Star. "Several families thought it was a nice program."

But others did not -- especially David Hogan. His daughter came home
with a copy of the lyrics just days before the production. Hogan, a
Christian, told the American Family Association, a conservative
advocacy group, that he was deeply concerned to learn that his
daughter had been singing, "Allah is God."

Here's what the children were assigned to sing:

"Allah is God, we recall at dawn,
Praying 'til night during Ramadan
At this joyful time we pray happiness for you,
Allah be with you all your life through."

But when it came time to perform the "Christian" part of Christmas,
children were assigned to say:

"I didn't know there was a little boy at the manger. What child is
this?
I'm not sure if there was a little boy or not.
Then why did you paint one on your nativity window?
I just thought if there was a little boy, I'd like to know exactly
what he (sic) say.

Micah Clark, executive director of the Indiana AFA, launched an
Internet protest once he heard about the allegations. "What surprised
me here is that we've had a secular scrubbing of Christmas for so
long and the school apparently didn't see the problem with kids
singing to Allah," he told FOX News Radio. "You won't even mention
Jesus and you're going to force my child to sing about Allah?

In email correspondence the school initially defended the reference
as a way to be inclusive of all religions. However, once complaints
starting rolling in, school leaders decided to eliminate the Allah
reference.

That drew the ire of the Muslim Alliance of Indiana. "It's
unfortunate if that was removed from the program just because of
Islamophobic feelings," Shariq Siddiqui told the Indianapolis Star.
"Schools are a place where we should learn more about each other
rather than exclude each other based on stereotypes and
misconceptions."

But Clark said having children bow and pray is problematic for non-
Muslim families. "(This show) affirmed Islam and negated
Christianity. I wouldn't have had a problem if it had been equal to
all faiths."

At least one Christian family approved of the Allah reference. "I'm a
Christian and I was in no way offended by the program at Lantern
Road," said Judy Grasso to The Star.

http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/12/14/public-schoo-kids-singing-to-allah/#ixzz0Zu6Dfn8N

More at:

http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/12/14/public-schoo-kids-singing-to-allah/#axzz0ZgJnGmk0

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:14 pm
From: the man from havana

On Dec 17, 12:11 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Second Graders Sing About Allah?
>
> FOX News Radio
> Monday, December 14, 2009
>
> A battle over religion is brewing in central Indiana after a public
> school wanted second graders to sing a song declaring, "Allah is
> God." The phrase was removed just before the performance after a
> national conservative group launched a protest.
>

GOOD. NOW F*CK OFF !

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 8:44 pm
From: lil abner <@daisey.mae>

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Second Graders Sing About Allah?
>
> FOX News Radio
> Monday, December 14, 2009
>
> A battle over religion is brewing in central Indiana after a public
> school wanted second graders to sing a song declaring, "Allah is
> God." The phrase was removed just before the performance after a
> national conservative group launched a protest.
>
> The principal of Lantern Road Elementary School in Fishers, IN, said
> they were trying to teach inclusiveness through their holiday
> production. It included references to Christmas, Hanukkah, Ramadan,
> Las Posadas and Kwanzaa. However, no other deity, other than Allah,
> was referenced in the show.
>
> "It went off . . . without a hitch," Danielle Thompson told the
> Indianapolis Star. "Several families thought it was a nice program."
>
> But others did not -- especially David Hogan. His daughter came home
> with a copy of the lyrics just days before the production. Hogan, a
> Christian, told the American Family Association, a conservative
> advocacy group, that he was deeply concerned to learn that his
> daughter had been singing, "Allah is God."
>
> Here's what the children were assigned to sing:
>
> "Allah is God, we recall at dawn,
> Praying ?til night during Ramadan
> At this joyful time we pray happiness for you,
> Allah be with you all your life through."
>
> But when it came time to perform the "Christian" part of Christmas,
> children were assigned to say:
>
> "I didn't know there was a little boy at the manger. What child is
> this?
> I'm not sure if there was a little boy or not.
> Then why did you paint one on your nativity window?
> I just thought if there was a little boy, I'd like to know exactly
> what he (sic) say.
>
> Micah Clark, executive director of the Indiana AFA, launched an
> Internet protest once he heard about the allegations. "What surprised
> me here is that we've had a secular scrubbing of Christmas for so
> long and the school apparently didn't see the problem with kids
> singing to Allah," he told FOX News Radio. "You won't even mention
> Jesus and you're going to force my child to sing about Allah?
>
> In email correspondence the school initially defended the reference
> as a way to be inclusive of all religions. However, once complaints
> starting rolling in, school leaders decided to eliminate the Allah
> reference.
>
> That drew the ire of the Muslim Alliance of Indiana. "It's
> unfortunate if that was removed from the program just because of
> Islamophobic feelings," Shariq Siddiqui told the Indianapolis Star.
> "Schools are a place where we should learn more about each other
> rather than exclude each other based on stereotypes and
> misconceptions."
>
> But Clark said having children bow and pray is problematic for non-
> Muslim families. "(This show) affirmed Islam and negated
> Christianity. I wouldn't have had a problem if it had been equal to
> all faiths."
>
> At least one Christian family approved of the Allah reference. "I'm a
> Christian and I was in no way offended by the program at Lantern
> Road," said Judy Grasso to The Star.
>
> Read more:
>
> http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/12/14/public-schoo-kids-singing-to-allah/#ixzz0Zu6Dfn8N
>
> More at:
>
> http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/12/14/public-schoo-kids-singing-to-allah/#axzz0ZgJnGmk0
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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The aim of Multiculturists and the factions there of is to eliminate
America's culture and beliefs, There goals is to divide America. Then to
turn America into an islamic nightmare for Americans. The elimination of
Christmas is a key battle for them. America is Christian despite all the
delarations , by the Multiculturists that it is Muslim, Hindu, or nn
religious. If they want to assert their culture, go back home where your
culture is. Leae America alone. We will not let you destroy
Christianity, and forxce us to express it and celebrate Christmas in the
shadows. Americaans simply will not put up with it. Go home. Our House
is full. We do not want to change Chhristmas into a muslim degradation
of God. Alla's is abased on the pretend Moon God. He is recoded in
History as a pedophile, an assassin, shoe seller, rapist, wife beater,
and murderer. We will never shining such a veals myth airship our God.
Fire teachers and sch00i boards tat indiscriminate iur future citizens.
Alla's is engaged in terrorism, right now. Death to Allah.
Leave America and Christmas alone. Go home.

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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:32 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

White Americans' majority to end by mid-century

By Hope Yen, Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Washington - The estimated time when whites will no longer make up
the majority of Americans has been pushed back eight years -- to 2050
-- because the recession and stricter immigration policies have
slowed the flow of foreigners into the U.S. . . .

More at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216/ap_on_go_ot/us_white_minority

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:36 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

ARINDAM BANERJEE EXPOSED

A previous post:

In article <VVise.24336$oK.1183@okepread02>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>>> Arindam Banerjee.
>>
>> First self-cofessed communist and self-demonstrated liar
>> Arindam Banerjee calls me a CIA agent, now he mentions
>> incarceration! He certainly needs help -- and fast!

> you two began so nicely. why can't hindus get along?

I don't think that Hindus and communists can or should get along.
Arindam seems to be trying the Nigerian scam to raise money for his
father: spam people with e-mail requesting donations by saying
nice things about them, and then when people get wise to the scam
then try to condemn them ("Why haven't you wrtten to my father?";
"You must not be an Indian if you don't know about my father's
project"; "You must me a CIA agent"; "You are using a false
identity"; etc., etc.)

> where did arindam confess to being a commnist? he doesn't sound
> like one though. pls deny it arindam.

I wrote:

> I have detected a hint of communist leanings in what
> you write as well. So that's the tree where the
> fruit comes from. - Jai Maharaj

Arindam Banerjee followed-up with:

> More than that, actually. I was raised in a commune
> in India, when I was seven. So, my basic outlook is communistic. . ."

Here is his entire post:

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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> In article <1118793532.573303.37...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >> In article <1118790435.398957.298...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >>>> In article <1118665553.201366.305...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>> I have no knowledge of astrology. I am sure it must be a very deep
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> involved subject, and I take your word for it. However, if you claim
> >>>>> astrology is scientific, what I can say is that 1. you perhaps do not
> >>>>> need to claim it is scientific, for it may be beyond the scope of
> >>>>> science as understood and 2. if you persist in claiming it to be
> >>>>> scientific, you must show exactly what it explains satisfactorily.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you have an opportunity to read the article "Solar
> >>>> Magnetism Integrates Astronomy and Astrology" that I posted?
> >>>> Here it is again for your and others' convenience:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I read it, but I still do not understand what it tries to explain,
> >>> and how it does that satisfactorily and reliably and repeatably.
> >>
> >> Astrophysicist Dr. Seymour's book has more in it than the
> >> article about it. Of course the "how" is less important,
> >> or not important at all to those routinely benefit from
> >> scientific astrology.
> >>
> >>> Scientific methods are valued as they do all the three. Astrology is
> >>> too chancy.
> >>
> >> How did you arrive at that conclusion (". . . too chancy")?
> >
> > My wife's late aunt had a very good horoscope match with her husband.
> > Astrologers said that was a "rajjotok" meaning that it would be a
> > wonderful marriage. Unfortunately she became a widow in 28 days.
> > After that, they ceased to have faith in astrology.
>
> Sorry to hear that, but that's unscientific behavior. The
> astrologers are to blame for their error, not the
> science.

Excuses, excuses.

> Tell me, if a bridge fails or a building falls
> prematurely, do you blame the engineers and workers or
> civil engineering?

Normally I would suspect the adulterators in top management.

> When a car stalls due to mechanical
> failure, do you blame automobile engineering?

Oh yes. If we had proper automobile engineering, there would be no
stalling. The cars would have good design inbuilt, to prevent this
from happening. This is what Quality of Service is all about.

> When a
> surgeon errs, do you blame the surgeon or medical
> science?

Often, both. The surgeon could be careless, or the medical science
could be imperfect. Like, what surgeon was responsible for thalidomide
babies?

> > In my case, my father had strong leftwing leanings in his youth, and
> > did not make any horoscope for me.
>
> I have detected a hint of communist leanings in what
> you write as well. So that's the tree where the
> fruit comes from.

More than that, actually. I was raised in a commune in India, when I
was seven. So, my basic outlook is communistic in the best possible
way. My father was the executive manager of the commune of Soviet
experts who were giving us high technology in manufacturing - something
the capitalists from the West would never even think of doing. But, at
the same time I went to a Catholic school, played with tribal boys and
Hindi speaking boys, and had a proper Bengali upbringing at home.

If we are talking about hints, I would bet you are a CIA agent
pretending to be a Hindu. (Otherwise you would not have been so dumb
about Bharat Sevashram, and totally failed to contact me or my father,
even after you said you would.) Not that I have anything against CIA
agents, of course.

> > In a computer program I typed in my date and place of birth, and the
> > program said that I would be a lawyer. Whatever I am, I am not a
> > lawyer.
>
> There's no astrology software that can spit out
> predictions or interpretations of any useful value.
> Computer programs go only as far as performing
> calculation at blazing speed. The use of inappropriate
> tools and anecdotal evidence about errors made by
> astrologers explains your poor opinion of astrology.

But I do not have a poor opinion of astrology. Astrology gives hope,
purpose, motivation, insight, self-realisation, resignation... these
are all very valuable to the human race, for these keep us going on and
on and not suicide.

> >>> I see it as a source of hope and purpose. What science
> >>> there is, is based upon statistics.
> >>
> > > Why do you say that (" . . . based upon statistics")?
> >
> > That was evident from the article you yourself posted. It said that the
> > movement of stars etc. was related to human and worldly events. This
> > is a statistical correlative process.
>
> How is it statistical? The observation and cataloguing
> of observations of linkage is simply the creation of
> lists.

That proves it. There are no foundational formulas in astrology, as we
have in engineering. So you have a correlative process instead. Which
could be very good, no doubt, but by no means exact. Only indicative
and tentative, at best.

> >>> Like, you have these rashis, and you can tell a person's
> >>> characteristics from the rashi. I am happy to say that within
> >> > my family at least the rashis give some clue as to personality.
> >>> Like, I am more Piscean than anything else, and so on.
> >>
> >> A Rashi is only the 1/12th division of the sidereal
> >> zodiac, and results based only on the Rashi are quite
> >> approximate and general. They are merely in the parking
> >> lot of the ballpark. There are much finer divisions, and
> >> numerous other factors that are examined for a person or
> >> event by the scientific astrologer.
> >>
> >>> But statistics only gives clues; it is not hard as a prediction
> >>> science.
> >>
> >> Scientific astrology, not statistics, is an accurate prediction
> >> science. There are a few of my published predictions listed
> >> at my web site: http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> >
> > If all predictions came true, astrology would not have any one to knock
> > it.
>
> They came true.

How many came untrue? If you make 100 predictions, one may come right.
You may uptalk the one true prediction, and forget the 99 that did not
happen.

If out of 100 predictions made even 30 came right, astrology would be a
tool for prediction.

> They were published before the events
> took place. Now what's your problem? It is entertainment
> astrology that gets criticized, not scientific astrology.

I never heard of it. Do you have journals?

> As do errors by practitioners, which is the case in every
> science and art. All my predictions have come true --
> they were posted here on USENET.

Why not do some predicting *now* and then we all can judge? I really
cannot know what you predicted when, so any past information is not on.

> Where is the praise of
> astrology from you?

I praise what I deem worthy of praise. I never said I studied
astrology. I most certainly am going by incomplete knowledge about
this subject. If you want me to have faith or interest in it, make
some predictions and then we will see what happens.

> Aren't you biased?

Certainly I am biased. I try to form my biases upon all known and
undeniable facts, and invincible logic.

> Haven't you a
> premeditated agenda of criticizing scientific astrology
> without regard to the facts?

I did not start the topic of scientific astrology, as I never heard of
it before this.

> But I can understand that
> you have a preconceived notion from what you have
> written.

By and large it is irrelevant to me, though I do value people with
psychic insight. They help a lot. And that is different from
astrology.

> >>> Unlike my own methods, which involve mathematical modelling
> >>> and computer simulation, for predicting changes made to complex systems
> >>> involving queuing.
> >>>
> >>> On the whole, this looks like mumbo-jumbo, especially when the quantum
> >>> stuff is dragged in, for increased respectability in certain scientific
> >>> circles, no doubt. Some valid Hindu perspectives are also dragged in.
> >>>
> >>> See, Jai, in India astrology is a practical issue. Marriages are often
> >>> performed on this basis. This is very useful. If the bride or groom
> >>> has to be rejected, then this is a very good pretext - can be done
> >>> without hurting feelings and creating feuds.
> >>
> >> Anything can be used as a pretext, but that's a different issue.
> >
> > Not really. I think the practical aspects of astrology is not
> > emphasised enough. There is no need to claim it is a science.
>
> There is a need to tell the truth.

Absolutely.

> Hence I say that
> astrology is a science.

You can say whatever you like. But getting other people to agree to
what you say is quite a different task. Don't I know it!

> Why do you want me to lie to
> uphold your false notion of scientific astrology?

I do not want you or anyone else to lie. I want you and everyone else
to make his points clearly and logically. If you really hold that
astrology is scientific, you have got to prove it. Two scientists
doing the same experiment under the same conditions carefully always
get the same results. If astrology is scientific, the observations of
all astrologers should give the same result. Not one being right
today, another one right the next day, and so on. So, all astrologers
should make the same prediction, if astrology is to be a science and
not some art.

> > If it is a science, you need to perform experiments in controlled
> > conditions, and see whether they repeat according to any given
> > predicted pattern.
>
> Is the world as a whole "controlled" enough for you?

Human beings still have some ability for choices left to them.

> And
> astrologers such as myself have repeat clients throughout
> the world who benefit from the science repeatedly -- have
> for decades.

This is not convincing as a proof for the scientific nature of
astrology. Business records are no substitute for lab records, if we
are talking science.

> Why would I or they need the stamp of
> approval of someone who has not even studied astrology
> and displays an agenda of knocking down astrology?

But I do not knock down astrology. It has so many uses, as I wrote
above. I have no use for frauds, that is all. In any case, I was
simply answering your question as well as I can, and I do not see why
you need to be so shirty. If you are so sure of yourself, you should
feel more secure.

> You
> have posted many anti-astrology posts over the years.

Seems like, you are confusing me with some other people. As I wrote
earlier, I have not much interest or knowledge of astrology. To the
best of my knowledge, I have not posted any anti-astrology post. In
fact, I expressed my horror when you wrote that astrologers were
massacred in California.

> In
> all that time, you could have studied the subject. You
> see, publishing conclusions about something without
> studying it is unscientific.

But I was only answering your question, from my experience. Please do
not think that I am out to please you. My dear Goddess is Ma Kali, the
Goddess of Truth; and so, I can not lie knowingly.

> >> I wonder if you are mistaking what I have termed "entertainment
> >> astrology" for scientific astrology. The former is the kind
> >> found in newspaper horoscope columns and web sites and is very
> >> popular for psychological reasons. Scientific astrology, on the
> >> other hand is usually practised on a consulting basis and is
> >> quite time consuming even when computer programs are used to
> >> perform the calculations.
> >
> > Ah, my brother-in-law claims to have studied astrology, and says that
> > it has a mathematical basis. Results are given upon inspired
> > conjectures. So, we have maths plus conjecture, in the predictions.
> > This is not scientific.
>
> Where did he study astrology? Who were his teachers?
> What texts were studied? What practical exercises were
> undertaken? What was the duration of the study? How many
> years did the apprenticeship under a professional astrologer
> last?

I really do not know. All I can say is that he studied this subject
and came to certain conclusions. If you want to have any email contact
with him, I would be happy to give you his email after getting his
permission to do so.

> Frankly, his remark indicates that he did not study
> astrology beyond a chapter or book or two. He may have been
> merely curious about the science, which is to be expected
> because of the immense success of scientific astrology through
> the centuries.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

Success must be proved, and not merely claimed. Prove its worth,
beyond any doubt, and the world will have to believe. Or at least, the
scientific-minded world. So make 10 predictions in this thread, and
let us see how many come true.

End of Copy

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 17 2009 12:24 am
From: Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times

On Dec 17, 8:36 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:

I have personally known Dr Arindam Banerjee as a most outstanding
mind, able indeed to question the fraudulent Theories of the Newton &
Einstein intellectual thieves... consider Vimana as a not a
possibility but a most easy engineering program...

Contrarily to you, Jai, never Dr Arindam Banerjee wasted his time in
vain & sterile debasing attacks, as the one you are
conducting...demonstrating that he belongs to much Aristocratic genus
than you do indeed ... being of most high Kshatriyas ascent, he
certainly has no advice nor criticism to receive from an obvious Dalit
or at best Sudra as you are !

Okay ?

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Banerjee, my little man !!!

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TOPIC: Arindam Banerjee, a fraud and the Shame of IIT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:40 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Arindam Banerjee, a fraud and the Shame of IIT

Forwarded message:
[
[ From: Richard Herring (junk@[127.0.0.1])
[ Subject: Re: Really Cold Fusion
[ Newsgroups: sci.physics
[ Date: 2005-05-13 02:02:37 PST
[
[
[ In message <1115941772.198114.64...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
[ Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> writes
[ >
[ > If the second law of thermodynamics is true,
[ > that is, things cooled with passing of time,
[
[ "That is" is not. You would need to find out what the second law really
[ says before you are in any position to disprove it.
[
[ --
[ Richard Herring
[
End of forwarded message

Arindam Banerjee is a fraud, obviously.

> Arindam Banerjee "a blowhard fraud"
>
> -From: Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid>
> -Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
> -Subject: Re: The Widowmaker, Re: Grisly
> -Date: 9 Jan 2003 01:16:15 -0600
>
> In <890e65ea.0301082253.1adae...@posting.google.com>,
> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> |
> | Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> | news:<o89p1vchi9u07t5ijv85oe288bd6476bv5@4ax.com>...
> |> In <890e65ea.0301081419.551c1...@posting.google.com>,
> |> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> |>| Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> |>| news:<c27n1v0rq69brnjttt2b7550r9j9fshj5b@4ax.com>...
>
> |>|> Care to give a sample from these first 100 odd?
> |>|
> |>| As a general rule I do not care to repost my work on Internet.
>
> It's pretty clear that there is no such "work".
>
> |>| If you are really interested, [...]
>
> About the only thing interesting now is exactly how much
> of a blowhard fraud you are.
> [...]
> End of forwarded message
>
>
>> HOW ARINDAM BANERJEE DECEIVED THE IIT
>>
>> There's an attendance rule at the IITs, which
>> Arindam Banerjee obviously violated by his own
>> confession below. He likely also had his friends
>> act as a proxy for him during roll calls, sit for
>> him in exams and cheat the IIT in other ways:
>>
>> ". . . I tried to attend as few classes as I could;
>> mainly it was a matter of making friends with the really
>> great guys who let me photocopy their lecture notes, and
>> tell me which assessment was due when. Still, I had to
>> miss quite a few exams, when I had too much work
>> pressure, and that reflected upon my grades. Now I
>> wonder, how did I manage to do it all! My wife never
>> understood how I managed to pass and get my degree, for
>> she hardly ever saw me studying. But all's well that
>> ends well . . ."
>> - "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
>> on June 6, 2005 about his IIT degree.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj
>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> Exposed - Arindam Banerjee's tactics of abuse
>>>
>>> Forwarded message
>>>
>>> [ Subject: Re: Fw: Astrology is a Science
>>> [ From: chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk)
>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.astrology . . .
>>> [ Message-ID: <c743abb.0308251714.3afca...@posting.google.com>
>>> [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.99.13.253
>>> [ Date: 25 Aug 2003 18:14:14 -0700
>>>
>>> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee)
>>> wrote in message
> <news:890e65ea.0308251356.359a21e9@posting.google.com>...
>>>> chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk) wrote in
>>>> message <news:c743abb.0308250629.4a293d89@posting.google.com>...
>>>>
>>>> Just my point, you worthless lot's capable only of giving abuse (and
>>>> that too, of a remarkably unoriginal quality) not reasoned argument.
>>>
>>> Oh, please. Pot, Kettle, Black. As in:
>>>
>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311313.71a6cc2b@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>True. Use your head, read my book, and then try to sort it out. I
> believe
>>
>>>>that my main problem is that I am a brown Hindu, and that the modern
>>>>scientific establishment is composed of Eurocentric racists. Which is
> why,
>>
>>>>they are not even deigning to acknowledge the existence of my work.
>>>
>>> followed up by
>>>
>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311314.63a9c62@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>My, what mumbo-jumbo! Makes less sense than any witch-doctor in
>>>>darkest Africa.
>>>
>>> or howzabout
>>>
>>> <890e65ea.0204112309.120ff...@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>Why should I not? A Jew almost made it to Vice President, and they
>>>>run all the key positions in govt., finance, academic, media,
>>>>entertainment, publishing, etc., or allow their wannabes to do so. If
>>>>you run foul of a Jew in USA, you are labelled a Nazi, and you have no
>>>>chance at all for recognition or promotion, for then you become
>>>>morally responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews in WW2. This, by
>>>>the way, has just happened to me in an interchange in the newsgroup
>>>>rec.art.books. Some Jew named Zeleny called me a wog Nazi because he
>>>>did not appreciate some of my views relating to US foreign policies.
>>>>I was also described as a Nazi earlier when I said that Einstein could
>>>>be wrong so far as his theory of relativity was concerned.
>>>
>>> Nice change in tactics, Ari. First you accuse others of
>>> racism in a discussion in which you brought up the subject
>>> yourself. Then you post something quite racist yourself.
>>> Then, in an unrelated post, you post something incredibly
>>> antisemitic largely because you were feeling sorry for
>>> yourself and were honked off because they didn't like
>>> your "scientific theory" contradicting Einstein.
>>>
>>> And somehow you see fit to lecture others on
>>> "reasoned argument"? Don't make me laugh.
>>>
>>>> And as I said, you are a proven gutless scumbag,
>>>
>>> In your eyes, Ari. That's not much of a
>>> recommendation now, is it?
>>>
>>>> incapable of decency,
>>>
>>> "Decency"? Heh.
>>>
>>> -From <news:890e65ea.0204142212.57b736e9@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your interest in me, and I appreciate being the object of
>>>>so much attention, though I wish a lot of money came from it. I am
>>>>most kindly disposed towards Jews - despite their negative attitude
>>>>towards me, but that is understandable, for if my theories are right,
>>>>their beloved Einstein will be shown wrong - and so I have suggested
>>>>that they all leave the Middle East and get for themselves a Zionist
>>>>state in Florida, where they should be much loved and respected by the
>>>>USAns who worship their one true god.
>>>
>>> Some "decency" there, huh?
>>>
>>> Matt Giwer would be proud.
>>>
>>>> content to make snide attacks from the safety of other newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Like you did to Michael Zeleny on soc.culture.india in the third
>>> post I referenced, eh?
>>>
>>> Physician, heal thyself.
>>>
>>>> Abuse is, thus, what you deserve.
>>>
>>> Self-abuse is, as proven, what you post.
>>>
>>> (Remainder of Ari's wankery deleted - why is it that kooks
>>> always gravitate to Einstein's dead ass like flies when
>>> everything else they rant about runs dry?)
>>>
>>> -Chris Krolczyk
>>>
>>> End of forwarded message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Forwarded message
>>>> [
>>>> [ Subject: What is this Junk?
>>>> [
>>>> [ Is this what they teach at IIT-Kharagpur? Not only is our
>>>> [ crazy scientist violating the First Law of Motion, he is
>>>> [ also casting doubt on the validity of the Law of
>>>> [ Conservation of Energy.
>>>> [
>>>> [ Perpetual Motion Machines? Our esteemed IIT guy has been
>>>> [ reading HG Wells and all kinds of science fiction books.
>>>> [ No friction? Has he never heard of the concept of matter?
>>>> [ That matter is composed of molecules.......
>>>> [
>>>> [ I bet that none of this is, or can be experimentally
>>>> [ proven!
>>>> [
>>>> [ It is certainly commendable to follow the far reaches of
>>>> [ one's imagination, but to confuse imagination with
>>>> [ reality? One can of course argue that reality is
>>>> [ imagination and imagination is reality. But I would
>>>> [ rather not get into a philosophical discussion.
>>>> [
>>>> [ Posted by Ramani on 04-JUN-03
>>>> [
>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Forwarded message
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Subject: Perpetuum mobile
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Another attempt to foil Conservation-of-energy
>>>>> [ principle ... this time by a Indian [Arindam Banerjee]
>>>>> [ and that too somebody from IIT. We should better check
>>>>> [ whether this guy really hails from IIT, bringing a bad
>>>>> [ name for India and IIT both.
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Rediff should also check authenticity of these pseudo
>>>>> [ scientific results before publishing .. this is playing
>>>>> [ into the hands of cheap publicity gimmickers. I would
>>>>> [ advise rediff to refrain from these things ...
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ BTW, I would advise the readers to read the book
>>>>> [ "Voodoo Science" by Robert Park. Plz check details on
>>>>> [ Amazon.
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Posted by niraj on 04-JUN-03
>>>>> [
>>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How 'Shame of IIT' Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newton's Second Law states that the change
>>>>>> in velocity (acceleration) with which an object
>>>>>> moves is directly proportional to the magnitude
>>>>>> of the force applied to the object and inversely
>>>>>> proportional to the mass of the object.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
>>>>>> others by posting the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Copy begins
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>
>>>>>> [ Subject: Re: E=MCsquared is wrong
>>>>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.philosophy
>>>>>> [ Message-ID: <890e65ea.0301281239.5a872...@posting.google.com>
>>>>>> [ Date: 28 Jan 2003
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> [ . . . Newton's second law of motion says
>>>>>> [ that the rate of change of momentum of a body
>>>>>> [ is quantitatively equal to the external force
>>>>>> [ applied upon it.
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> Copy ends
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to
>>>>>> deceive others by stating that "quantitatively equal" is
>>>>>> the same as "inversely proportional".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wait, there's another possibility, even the
>>>>>> likelihood, that Banerjee does not understand physics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jai Maharaj
>>>>>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>>>>>> Om Shanti

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TOPIC: ARINDAM BANERJEE SPREADS FALSEHOODS ABOUT BHARAT - "Abacus never
entered India"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/2a07692e0f48a84a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

ARINDAM BANERJEE SPREADS FALSEHOODS

[ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
[ Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
[ Subject: Re: Is Straydog blind????
[ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009
>
>
>> Did the abacus never show up in India?
>
> Very insightful point, Straydog. No as far as I know the
> abacus never entered India, so representing nd
> manipulating a number using the very not-abstract abacus
> method was never there. . . .

Arindam Banerjee continues to spread falsehoods about
Bharat. For crying out loud, I used to carry an abacus to
school in U.P. I had a portable version and also a larger
one for us at home. Please read also:

Excerpt:

"The Abacus, as used in China and Japan, bears, on the very
face of it, evidence of a foreign origin. The numbers are
set down on it with the larger denomination to the left, a
result which could come from a people either speaking and
writing inversely, or speaking and writing directly.
Historically, the home of the Abacus is in India..."

Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan; Vol. XIII. Part I; July 1885.
http://books.google.com/books?id=-qAMAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA5-PA44&dq=%22abacus+was+invented+in+india%22

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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