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TOPIC: How Hollywood systematically ruined the social fabric of the US;
Bollywood is following Suit
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 4:40 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded post from V. H.

Monday, September 5, 2011

How Hollywood systematically ruined the social fabric of the USA:
Bollywood is following Suit

WHEN SHOW BIZ BECAME LIFE BIZ:

"I am planning on getting married to Tom,�but both of us are in no
big hurry. But still both of us are cautious. He has been divorced
twice and so also�myself and don't want to get burnt. Our kids (his
and mine) have grown up, Thank God, and have family problems of their
own. Thankfully, both myself and Tom are not in regular touch with
them and hence no baggage for both of us to carry forward into our
relationship. Tom is flying in from Denver tomorrow to move in with
me.

We will take it one day at time from then. I'm excited. BTW, I'm
turning 55 tomorrow and Tom's moving in will be my best birthday
present. The thought of living alone in old age does not sound
great".

"Good for U...so happy that U have found someone and hope it works
out for U Teresa. I'm moving in with my new partner too next month.
Darla has been a revelation after all the bitter divorces that I have
been through..."

"Good on U David, hope this works out for U too.."

The above could easily be a conversation between typical Hollywood
types discussing their failed personal lives but shockingly this is
the societal norm today in adult conversations in the West. Nobody
raises eyebrows anymore about the litany of failed marriages,
separations, divorces, embittered children and step-children... the
sordid milestones of the completely failed social and family
structures in the West of today.

How Hollywood did irreparable damage to the American family....

It was in post-world war -II (WW-II) America when a libertine
cultural tidal wave swept through the land obliterating just about
anything that was so considered good in the realm of family values.
It was the days of Elvis, the Beatles, The Who, Rolling Stones, Deep
Purple and also the dawn of modern movies that advocated a spirit of
rebellion in the American youth. While mom and dad were at work, an
entire generation of Baby-Boomers were brought up on a steady diet of
such new rebel music and films. Here one could always argue that
films and music and TV were there even before WW-II, but libertine
values were not propagated through them. Here one could also argue
that not all films portray libertine values and some of them give out
very positive messages and morals for the youth. The point is
accepted, but what one does not take into account here is the
personal lives of the film stars, rock-n-rollers, and of course
sports stars. As always in life the bad things of extraordinary
people get emulated faster by youth than the good things that they
portray in public. In post WW-II America, these film, music, and
sports superstar filled a vacuum in the heart of the American youth;
a vacuum left by their working parents who were busy chasing the
dollar, life comforts, and what the media portrayed as high life.

The Blurring of the line separating REEL LIFE and REAL LIFE.

The Pre-boomers were mostly a generation bound by conservative
christian values where the Bible played a huge part in the day to day
activities of life. They maintained enough discipline in their homes
to see that there was a strong line drawn between the entertainment
world and real life. Respect for elders and institutions like
marriage was strongly endorsed. However, as these pre-boomers aged
and died out, the influence of Hollywood on the collective psyche of
Americans increased rapidly. Those movie stars that were extolled as
the very epitomes of success in a capitalist society now attained
God-like status. Whatever they said and did and the way they
conducted their lives and that included some of their mega personal
failings, became the mantra of society. And by the time the 70s and
80s came about, the line between REEL LIFE and REAL LIFE completely
vanished to the point where even normal American society started
living by the code of life set by Hollywood and embraced the values
propagated by it lock, stock, and barrel. And then it was social
mayhem all over, the bitter harvest of which America is socially
reaping today. Today America, and indeed the greater West is a
cesspool of broken marriages, step-children, third and fourth
husbands/wives, live-in partners, open gay sex and all this in the
name of unbridled freedom and liberty.

Bollywood is following suit

I still remember those days when censorship was very strong and
kissing was banned even in movies with Adult certification. Our
censors those days saw to it that our traditions and values were
still respected. As much as movie directors tried from time to time,
the censors resisted the overt propagation of libertine values even
in Adult movies. But post-liberalization in 1991, the floodgates have
been fully opened in this regard. Today most Bollywood movies have
gone to the complete aping of Hollywood in all aspects. There is open
depiction of those things that have been taboo in the past in the
misguided notion of freedom of expression. An entire generation of
our impressionable youth are being brought up on a steady diet of
these movies and also item number songs. Gay sex, multiple partners,
broken marriages seem to the norm in the movies today and this while
Amma and Appa are away working for a better home, car, and status.
The situation is down pat similar to what happened in the US during
post-WW-II. And just like the USA, we are slowly and increasingly
witnessing the beginnings of a bitter social harvest which will be in
full bloom by the time 2020 comes around. By 2020, the post-
globalization generation (those born after 1991) would be family
men/women while the older and more conservative generation of their
parents would be aging and dying out.

A Epilogue in the future.

"I am planning on getting married to Ravi,�but both of us are in no
big hurry. But still both of us are cautious. He has been divorced
twice and so also�myself and don't want to get burnt. Our kids(his
and mine) have grown up, Thank God, and have family problems of their
own. Thankfully, both myself and Ravi are not in regular touch with
them and hence no baggage for both of us to carry forward into our
relationship. Ravi is flying in from Delhi tomorrow to move in with
me.

We will take it one day at time from then. I'm excited. BTW, I'm
turning 55 tomorrow and Ravi's moving in will be my best birthday
present. The thought of living alone in old age does not sound
great".

"Good for U... so happy that U have found someone and hope it works
out for U Tanisha. I'm moving in with my new partner too next month.
Deepa has been a revelation after all the bitter divorces that I have
been through..."

"Good on U Sunil, hope this works out for U too.."

(This is already happening in Bollywood as of today. It is only a
matter of time before this becomes a norm in our society too)

End of forwarded post from V. H.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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TOPIC: 'STATE BAD, CIVIL SOCIETY GOOD' MANTRA DANGEROUS - PAREKH
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 6 2011 12:10 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Forwarded post from A. C.

Sunday, September 4, 2011

Does not the human rights industry use the same mantra, namely "State
bad, civil society good"?� So, how come there is a sudden waking up
to the 'evils' of civil society?

Re Lord Parekh's comment about film stars of yesteryears not
appearing in advertisements.� One wonders if he is aware that there
is a huge change in the advertisement industry over the years.� I
feel that his comments do not reflect well on him.

- A. C.

'State Bad, Civil Society Good' Mantra Dangerous: Parekh

PTI
Outlook
Saturday, September 3, 2011

Lord Bhikhu Parekh, Indian-origin political theorist and recipient of
Padma Bhushan, today said the new mantra of "state bad, civil society
good" was dangerous, though "understandable".

"State bad, civil society, good -- the new mantra coined by civil
society's movement against corruption is understandable, but
dangerous, because the state is not all bad, and civil society does
not consist of angels alone," he said.

UK-based Parekh, a former vice chancellor of Maharaja Sayajirao
University of Baroda (Vadodara), was here to give a talk on "the role
of civil society in the Regeneration of India', at the invitation of
Federation of Gujarat Industries.

The term civil society was a new entrant in India's political
vocabulary, he said, adding that there was a "legitimate distrust" of
the state, and civil society was expected to provide an answer to its
ills.

"Anna Hazare's fast served a most valuable purpose. I am against
fasts, but desperate times need desperate remedies, and Annaji was
right to launch it. However, I am uneasy with several aspects of it.
It need not have taken place in a public maidan (Ramlila grounds) and
turned into a theatre. Its rhetoric was inflated," he said.

"To say this is a second freedom struggle is to suggest that we have
achieved nothing since independence and to insult the memories of
Nehru, Vallabhbhai Patel, Lal bahadur Shashtri...".

Further, celebrities and Bollywood stars should not have been allowed
to address the gathering when their own record was not clean and they
had very little to say, he said.

"The dignity of Parliament should have been respected, and ultimatums
should have been avoided."

Parekh also pointed out that Hazare's role was limited to fasting,
and the negotiations for Jan Lokpal Bill were conducted by others.
Mahatma Gandhi, on the other hand, negotiated himself, he said.

Before resorting to fasting, other modes of agitation such as
rallies, demonstrations, non-payment of tax, etc should have been
used, Parekh said.� "Hazare's fast served a most noble cause. I
salute him and hope that if he does it again, some of these mistakes
will be avoided."

Summing up the political crisis in the country, he said the system
faced three crises: crisis of political authority as there was no
public figure commanding widespread respect, crisis of political
institutions, and that of political culture.

"Our political culture is weak and lacks agreement on the basic
norms," he added.

Talking about the society in general, Parekh also commented on
Amitabh Bachchan appearing in several advertisements, saying this too
reflected a kind of crisis. Yesteryear's idols like Dev Anand, Dilip
Kumar or Raj Kapoor never appeared in such kind of advertisements, he
said.

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End of forwarded post from A. C.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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