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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 9:47 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <c85d6eef-0ef9-44c2-9388-fdb4d1cbbc0a@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
Mirza Ghalib <mghalib01@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> The movie Zubeidaa (2001) starring Karisma Kapoor was an
> extremely sensous movie, with superb music. The dialogues
> were written by Javed Akhtar in ctisp Urdu/Hindi. It is a must see.
>
> The real Zubeida was a historical character, whose son Khalid
> Mohammed wrote the story for the movie. The real Zubeida,
> however, had a happy life till the end, whereas the movie
> ends in a tragedy.
>
> She was born in 1911, and died in Bombay in 1988 (or 1990?).
> After marrying the prince of Jodhpur she converted to Hinduism,
> and added the last name "Dhanrajgir". The family had several
> children.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubeida

"... she converted to Hinduism,..."

That is a good thing.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:49 pm
From: Mirza Ghalib


On Mar 21, 9:47 am, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <c85d6eef-0ef9-44c2-9388-fdb4d1cbb...@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
>  Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The movie Zubeidaa (2001) starring Karisma Kapoor was an
> > extremely sensous movie, with superb music. The dialogues
> > were written by Javed Akhtar in ctisp Urdu/Hindi. It is a must see.
>
> > The real Zubeida was a historical character, whose son Khalid
> > Mohammed wrote the story for the movie. The real Zubeida,
> > however, had a happy life till the end, whereas the movie
> > ends in a tragedy.
>
> > She was born in 1911, and died in Bombay in 1988 (or 1990?).
> > After marrying the prince of Jodhpur she converted to Hinduism,
> > and added the last name "Dhanrajgir". The family had several
> > children.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubeida
>
> "... she converted to Hinduism,..."
>
> That is a good thing.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

You will find more on this Times of India article.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/70458.cms


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:56 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <6467df3d-29f6-4904-96df-95f3155ebcbc@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Mirza Ghalib <mghalib01@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <c85d6eef-0ef9-44c2-9388-fdb4d1cbb...@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
> > =A0Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com> posted:
> >
> > > The movie Zubeidaa (2001) starring Karisma Kapoor was an
> > > extremely sensous movie, with superb music. The dialogues
> > > were written by Javed Akhtar in ctisp Urdu/Hindi. It is a must see.
> >
> > > The real Zubeida was a historical character, whose son Khalid
> > > Mohammed wrote the story for the movie. The real Zubeida,
> > > however, had a happy life till the end, whereas the movie
> > > ends in a tragedy.
> >
> > > She was born in 1911, and died in Bombay in 1988 (or 1990?).
> > > After marrying the prince of Jodhpur she converted to Hinduism,
> > > and added the last name "Dhanrajgir". The family had several
> > > children.
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubeida
> >
> > "... she converted to Hinduism,..."
> >
> > That is a good thing.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> You will find more on this Times of India article.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/70458.cms

Appreciate it.

Interesting comment below the article:

"It is utter disrespect by the erstwhile roal family to insult
departed soul of couple.I am from Jodhpur and we all know there about
the marriage of Maharaj to Zubeida and their son Hukum Singh.Why was
he named Hukum Singh, is beacuse Hanuwant Singh had said he will
follow my Hukum so Hukum Singh."

- Amit (India)
05 Jun, 2010 12:51 PM

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:11 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Is this true? 'Secret life of Indian teens'

Forwarded message from Y. M.

Is this true? "Secret life of Indian teens"

Sunday, March 20, 2011

Many Indians who left India a decade or two ago, dream that one day
they will return home.

But is it still the same India they left?

Is this article really the truth, or wishful imagination of a
section of the "elite", who think everyone is like them?

If it is the truth, then some of us "can never go home again", even
when they return to India.

- Y. M.

http://www.indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/130880/most-popular/secret-life-of-indian-teens.html

Secret life of Indian teens

By Damayanti Datta
February 25, 2011

Excerpts:

10 THINGS TEENAGERS WON'T TELL YOU...

30 per centa re not comfortable talking to their parents about their
own problems.

67 per cent of all school students cheat in an exam, at least once.

45 per cent teenage girls would prefer to terminate unwanted
pregnancies without telling their parents.

21 per cent teenagers get unwanted demands for sexual activity from
strangers on the Net.

1 out of 5 is smoking at an alarming rate of 13 to 15 sticks a day.

65 per cent face persisting problems to which they see no solution.

1 in 2 teen necks and kisses.

1 in 5 teen watches porn before age 13

15 per cent drink alcohol when they are bored.

47 per cent play games on their mobile.

10 THINGS ABOUT TEENS THAT MAKE PARENTS MAD...

Watching primetime reality shows that titillate. 76 per cent do it.

48 per cent contemplate suicide.

90 per cent show extreme reluctance to go to school.

Rising demand for pocket money ("My friend gets RS20,000 a month".)

85 per cent teens think tuitions bring high scores.

90 per cent teens believe in pre-marital sex.

Everybody has it. That's what 71 per cent of teens say when asking
for fancy frills-MP3 to camera phones.

45 per centof Class XII students drink alcohol 5 times a month.

70 per cent show mood swings and bad temper.

17 years is the average age of initiation into drugs in big cities.

End of forwarded message from Y. M.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:14 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> Is this true? 'Secret life of Indian teens'
>
> Forwarded message from Y. M.
>
> Is this true? "Secret life of Indian teens"
>
> Sunday, March 20, 2011
>
> Many Indians who left India a decade or two ago, dream that one day
> they will return home.
>
> But is it still the same India they left?
>
> Is this article really the truth, or wishful imagination of a
> section of the "elite", who think everyone is like them?
>
> If it is the truth, then some of us "can never go home again", even
> when they return to India.
>
> - Y. M.
>
> http://www.indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/130880/most-popular/secret-life-of
> -indian-teens.html
>
> Secret life of Indian teens
>
> By Damayanti Datta
> February 25, 2011
>
> Excerpts:
>
> 10 THINGS TEENAGERS WON'T TELL YOU...
>
> 30 per centa re not comfortable talking to their parents about their
> own problems.
>
> 67 per cent of all school students cheat in an exam, at least once.
>
> 45 per cent teenage girls would prefer to terminate unwanted
> pregnancies without telling their parents.
>
> 21 per cent teenagers get unwanted demands for sexual activity from
> strangers on the Net.
>
> 1 out of 5 is smoking at an alarming rate of 13 to 15 sticks a day.
>
> 65 per cent face persisting problems to which they see no solution.
>
> 1 in 2 teen necks and kisses.
>
> 1 in 5 teen watches porn before age 13
>
> 15 per cent drink alcohol when they are bored.
>
> 47 per cent play games on their mobile.
>
> 10 THINGS ABOUT TEENS THAT MAKE PARENTS MAD...
>
> Watching primetime reality shows that titillate. 76 per cent do it.
>
> 48 per cent contemplate suicide.
>
> 90 per cent show extreme reluctance to go to school.
>
> Rising demand for pocket money ("My friend gets RS20,000 a month".)
>
> 85 per cent teens think tuitions bring high scores.
>
> 90 per cent teens believe in pre-marital sex.
>
> Everybody has it. That's what 71 per cent of teens say when asking
> for fancy frills-MP3 to camera phones.
>
> 45 per centof Class XII students drink alcohol 5 times a month.
>
> 70 per cent show mood swings and bad temper.
>
> 17 years is the average age of initiation into drugs in big cities.
>
> End of forwarded message from Y. M.

Forwarded message from R. I.

Monday, March 21, 2011

It is true in the bigger cities... Chennai was relatively safe till a
decade ago. But in the recent decade, it has become bad. Only those
families who manage their children better have escaped this trend.
Previously, it was thought that children from orthodox families
(those who are wedded to their jati/religious traditions) do not
indulge in such behavior. But I have found that it is not so. In many
cases, their children easily fall prey esp if they do not explain the
necessities of certain rules. Authoritarian parents do not get any
success.

Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai, Ahmedabad,
Chandigarh-Mohali and even Kolkatta is facing these troubles.

In my own social circle, very few of us have escaped these vices. My
opinion is that a combination of good parental guidance along with
some traditional upbringing can shield the teens from these vices. Of
course, there is peer pressure: there are several boys who take to
alcohol because their 'manliness' is questioned by their friends. One
boy was taunted by a girl that he was sissy as even girls drink
alcohol these days!!! Of course, selection of your friends is also
important. And the teens must know when not to fall to such pressure
tactics. I feel that we are losing badly, on the whole. Today's teens
look down upon most things Indian/Hindu. Even the pro-right teens do
not really care much for the cultural symbols. Many of them are pro-
right simply because they hate Muslim atrocities.

If we have any other young Hindu here (in teens or 20s), let them
give their opinions. I agree with Senthil that village lifestyle must
be protected and encouraged. Within TN, only the traditional villages
have escaped this phenomenon. But I have no idea whether it is so in
the other states (I have never spent more than a day or two in the
villages of other states - so I am unable to make a clear judgement).

End of forwarded message from R. I.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:18 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Is this true? 'Secret life of Indian teens'
> >
> > Forwarded message from Y. M.
> >
> > Is this true? "Secret life of Indian teens"
> >
> > Sunday, March 20, 2011
> >
> > Many Indians who left India a decade or two ago, dream that one day
> > they will return home.
> >
> > But is it still the same India they left?
> >
> > Is this article really the truth, or wishful imagination of a
> > section of the "elite", who think everyone is like them?
> >
> > If it is the truth, then some of us "can never go home again", even
> > when they return to India.
> >
> > - Y. M.
> >
> >
> > http://www.indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/130880/most-popular/secret-life-of-indian-teens.html
> >
> > Secret life of Indian teens
> >
> > By Damayanti Datta
> > February 25, 2011
> >
> > Excerpts:
> >
> > 10 THINGS TEENAGERS WON'T TELL YOU...
> >
> > 30 per centa re not comfortable talking to their parents about their
> > own problems.
> >
> > 67 per cent of all school students cheat in an exam, at least once.
> >
> > 45 per cent teenage girls would prefer to terminate unwanted
> > pregnancies without telling their parents.
> >
> > 21 per cent teenagers get unwanted demands for sexual activity from
> > strangers on the Net.
> >
> > 1 out of 5 is smoking at an alarming rate of 13 to 15 sticks a day.
> >
> > 65 per cent face persisting problems to which they see no solution.
> >
> > 1 in 2 teen necks and kisses.
> >
> > 1 in 5 teen watches porn before age 13
> >
> > 15 per cent drink alcohol when they are bored.
> >
> > 47 per cent play games on their mobile.
> >
> > 10 THINGS ABOUT TEENS THAT MAKE PARENTS MAD...
> >
> > Watching primetime reality shows that titillate. 76 per cent do it.
> >
> > 48 per cent contemplate suicide.
> >
> > 90 per cent show extreme reluctance to go to school.
> >
> > Rising demand for pocket money ("My friend gets RS20,000 a month".)
> >
> > 85 per cent teens think tuitions bring high scores.
> >
> > 90 per cent teens believe in pre-marital sex.
> >
> > Everybody has it. That's what 71 per cent of teens say when asking
> > for fancy frills-MP3 to camera phones.
> >
> > 45 per centof Class XII students drink alcohol 5 times a month.
> >
> > 70 per cent show mood swings and bad temper.
> >
> > 17 years is the average age of initiation into drugs in big cities.
> >
> > End of forwarded message from Y. M.
>
> Forwarded message from R. I.
>
> Monday, March 21, 2011
>
> It is true in the bigger cities... Chennai was relatively safe till a
> decade ago. But in the recent decade, it has become bad. Only those
> families who manage their children better have escaped this trend.
> Previously, it was thought that children from orthodox families
> (those who are wedded to their jati/religious traditions) do not
> indulge in such behavior. But I have found that it is not so. In many
> cases, their children easily fall prey esp if they do not explain the
> necessities of certain rules. Authoritarian parents do not get any
> success.
>
> Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai, Ahmedabad,
> Chandigarh-Mohali and even Kolkatta is facing these troubles.
>
> In my own social circle, very few of us have escaped these vices. My
> opinion is that a combination of good parental guidance along with
> some traditional upbringing can shield the teens from these vices. Of
> course, there is peer pressure: there are several boys who take to
> alcohol because their 'manliness' is questioned by their friends. One
> boy was taunted by a girl that he was sissy as even girls drink
> alcohol these days!!! Of course, selection of your friends is also
> important. And the teens must know when not to fall to such pressure
> tactics. I feel that we are losing badly, on the whole. Today's teens
> look down upon most things Indian/Hindu. Even the pro-right teens do
> not really care much for the cultural symbols. Many of them are pro-
> right simply because they hate Muslim atrocities.
>
> If we have any other young Hindu here (in teens or 20s), let them
> give their opinions. I agree with Senthil that village lifestyle must
> be protected and encouraged. Within TN, only the traditional villages
> have escaped this phenomenon. But I have no idea whether it is so in
> the other states (I have never spent more than a day or two in the
> villages of other states - so I am unable to make a clear judgement).
>
> End of forwarded message from R. I.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Forwarded message from D. H.

Monday, March 21, 2011

Partly exaggerated and partly true.

The stats on opinions about pre marital sex is probably a lie even in
cities.

The part about "abortion" is probably true as a number of so called
Hindus are degenerate scum who abort girls, so not surprising that
these idiot kids don't think there is anything wrong with abortion.

You have to have different approaches to different groups. Telling 16
year old guys to do bhajans all the time is not exactly a sound
strategy.

You will hardly find any temples with gyms or any akhara's in cities.

Anyone can get drunk that takes no great skill or manlyness. Otoh it
takes effort and courage to box, wrestle or do mma or join the army.

At these so called Hindu camps in US you will hardly find any of
those, they make the kids dance to some Bollywood songs and some
bhajans, yoga. That's about it.

Compare this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcmuKjhbZM

with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e3j0LZehqE

If you want to attract teenagers you have to cater to their
interests.

There was this white washed kid I knew, confused and into that
generic pop culture like so many ABCD's. His parents didn't teach him
any better, so me and my buddy in the army used to take him out
hunting or to the shooting range, teach him how to shoot. At the same
time talk to him about our history, about how the Christians and
Muslims tried to wipe us out and how only the brave deeds of people
like Shivaji or Banda Bahadur saved us. One day I asked him how come
you aren't able to speak Panjabi ain't that supposed to be your
mother tongue. He started learning the language and started to
change, stopped believing in all that "south asian" crap and even
"indian" crap. I told him you are Hindu first not Indian, so a Hindu
from Nepal or Bali is your brother but even a Muslim or Xtian from
Panjab is not one of your own.

Most kids are just like that confused and looking for a direction and
you don't give them that by just taking them to a mandir on a sunday
and making them do a bhajan. You have to make them feel part of a
solid group (this is what Muslims do well), they don't want to be
known as the geeks and social outcasts which is what Indian parents
end up doing mostly in the US by over emphasis on studies and also
spelling bee's (I never got the obsession with that crap anyway). So
they end up imbibing the attitudes described in that survey in an
effort to belong somewhere.

The pattern is not exactly the same in India but it is similar.

I told people from RSS many times that they would attract more youth
if they dumped that ridiculous colonial era khaki shorts uniform
which has nothing to do with Hindus anyway.

<<< True, athletics are not simply about competition for a prize or
for the achievement of perfection or an expression of the Greeks'
piety to their gods. It's all that and more. Greek athletes dreaming
of going to Olympia had first to graduate from a "gymnasion-
palaistra." This was a school for the education of nude athletes, an
academy where "paidotribai" (trainers), musicians, philosophers, and
grammarians trained their bodies and minds to practice ar�te,
excellence in both sports and life. Arete was courage, nobility, and
virtue. So, despite the shortcomings of the athletes, and the
unseemly behavior of some poleis, the Olympics and the other local
and Panhellenic athletic celebrations never became sole venues for
entertainment. Says Miller, "athletic competitions were not essential
to the health and welfare of the city." On the contrary, athletics
were central to the well being of the Greeks, their religion, art,
education, deep yearning for a political union, and for the
celebration of their common culture. The Olympics is a perfect mirror
of the Greek spirit -- joining the divine with the human in honest
athletic competitions, bringing forth the virtue of courage and
perfection.

http://www.vallianatos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/training-body-and-mind-for-the-practice-of-arete.pdf

>>>

So if you want to attract youth you have to promote such things to
attract them and give them a religious orientation.

In the old days Mallayodha's carried the expectations of the entire
Hindu community when competing against Muslims.

On a side note, Ravilochanan is absolutely right in saying that most
people who are into Hindu activism are only in it because they hate
Muslims or fear them. They couldn't care less about Sanskrit or the
sad state of temples etc. They are just afraid that if Muslims take
over it will be an end to what I call the "kool yaar" lifestyle they
are used to.

End of forwarded message from D. H.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:21 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > > Is this true? 'Secret life of Indian teens'
> > >
> > > Forwarded message from Y. M.
> > >
> > > Is this true? "Secret life of Indian teens"
> > >
> > > Sunday, March 20, 2011
> > >
> > > Many Indians who left India a decade or two ago, dream that one day
> > > they will return home.
> > >
> > > But is it still the same India they left?
> > >
> > > Is this article really the truth, or wishful imagination of a
> > > section of the "elite", who think everyone is like them?
> > >
> > > If it is the truth, then some of us "can never go home again", even
> > > when they return to India.
> > >
> > > - Y. M.
> > >
> > > http://www.indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/130880/most-popular/secret-life-of-indian-teens.html
> > >
> > > Secret life of Indian teens
> > >
> > > By Damayanti Datta
> > > February 25, 2011
> > >
> > > Excerpts:
> > >
> > > 10 THINGS TEENAGERS WON'T TELL YOU...
> > >
> > > 30 per centa re not comfortable talking to their parents about their
> > > own problems.
> > >
> > > 67 per cent of all school students cheat in an exam, at least once.
> > >
> > > 45 per cent teenage girls would prefer to terminate unwanted
> > > pregnancies without telling their parents.
> > >
> > > 21 per cent teenagers get unwanted demands for sexual activity from
> > > strangers on the Net.
> > >
> > > 1 out of 5 is smoking at an alarming rate of 13 to 15 sticks a day.
> > >
> > > 65 per cent face persisting problems to which they see no solution.
> > >
> > > 1 in 2 teen necks and kisses.
> > >
> > > 1 in 5 teen watches porn before age 13
> > >
> > > 15 per cent drink alcohol when they are bored.
> > >
> > > 47 per cent play games on their mobile.
> > >
> > > 10 THINGS ABOUT TEENS THAT MAKE PARENTS MAD...
> > >
> > > Watching primetime reality shows that titillate. 76 per cent do it.
> > >
> > > 48 per cent contemplate suicide.
> > >
> > > 90 per cent show extreme reluctance to go to school.
> > >
> > > Rising demand for pocket money ("My friend gets RS20,000 a month".)
> > >
> > > 85 per cent teens think tuitions bring high scores.
> > >
> > > 90 per cent teens believe in pre-marital sex.
> > >
> > > Everybody has it. That's what 71 per cent of teens say when asking
> > > for fancy frills-MP3 to camera phones.
> > >
> > > 45 per centof Class XII students drink alcohol 5 times a month.
> > >
> > > 70 per cent show mood swings and bad temper.
> > >
> > > 17 years is the average age of initiation into drugs in big cities.
> > >
> > > End of forwarded message from Y. M.
> >
> > Forwarded message from R. I.
> >
> > Monday, March 21, 2011
> >
> > It is true in the bigger cities... Chennai was relatively safe till a
> > decade ago. But in the recent decade, it has become bad. Only those
> > families who manage their children better have escaped this trend.
> > Previously, it was thought that children from orthodox families
> > (those who are wedded to their jati/religious traditions) do not
> > indulge in such behavior. But I have found that it is not so. In many
> > cases, their children easily fall prey esp if they do not explain the
> > necessities of certain rules. Authoritarian parents do not get any
> > success.
> >
> > Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai, Ahmedabad,
> > Chandigarh-Mohali and even Kolkatta is facing these troubles.
> >
> > In my own social circle, very few of us have escaped these vices. My
> > opinion is that a combination of good parental guidance along with
> > some traditional upbringing can shield the teens from these vices. Of
> > course, there is peer pressure: there are several boys who take to
> > alcohol because their 'manliness' is questioned by their friends. One
> > boy was taunted by a girl that he was sissy as even girls drink
> > alcohol these days!!! Of course, selection of your friends is also
> > important. And the teens must know when not to fall to such pressure
> > tactics. I feel that we are losing badly, on the whole. Today's teens
> > look down upon most things Indian/Hindu. Even the pro-right teens do
> > not really care much for the cultural symbols. Many of them are pro-
> > right simply because they hate Muslim atrocities.
> >
> > If we have any other young Hindu here (in teens or 20s), let them
> > give their opinions. I agree with Senthil that village lifestyle must
> > be protected and encouraged. Within TN, only the traditional villages
> > have escaped this phenomenon. But I have no idea whether it is so in
> > the other states (I have never spent more than a day or two in the
> > villages of other states - so I am unable to make a clear judgement).
> >
> > End of forwarded message from R. I.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Forwarded message from D. H.
>
> Monday, March 21, 2011
>
> Partly exaggerated and partly true.
>
> The stats on opinions about pre marital sex is probably a lie even in
> cities.
>
> The part about "abortion" is probably true as a number of so called
> Hindus are degenerate scum who abort girls, so not surprising that
> these idiot kids don't think there is anything wrong with abortion.
>
> You have to have different approaches to different groups. Telling 16
> year old guys to do bhajans all the time is not exactly a sound
> strategy.
>
> You will hardly find any temples with gyms or any akhara's in cities.
>
> Anyone can get drunk that takes no great skill or manlyness. Otoh it
> takes effort and courage to box, wrestle or do mma or join the army.
>
> At these so called Hindu camps in US you will hardly find any of
> those, they make the kids dance to some Bollywood songs and some
> bhajans, yoga. That's about it.
>
> Compare this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcmuKjhbZM
>
> with this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e3j0LZehqE
>
> If you want to attract teenagers you have to cater to their
> interests.
>
> There was this white washed kid I knew, confused and into that
> generic pop culture like so many ABCD's. His parents didn't teach him
> any better, so me and my buddy in the army used to take him out
> hunting or to the shooting range, teach him how to shoot. At the same
> time talk to him about our history, about how the Christians and
> Muslims tried to wipe us out and how only the brave deeds of people
> like Shivaji or Banda Bahadur saved us. One day I asked him how come
> you aren't able to speak Panjabi ain't that supposed to be your
> mother tongue. He started learning the language and started to
> change, stopped believing in all that "south asian" crap and even
> "indian" crap. I told him you are Hindu first not Indian, so a Hindu
> from Nepal or Bali is your brother but even a Muslim or Xtian from
> Panjab is not one of your own.
>
> Most kids are just like that confused and looking for a direction and
> you don't give them that by just taking them to a mandir on a sunday
> and making them do a bhajan. You have to make them feel part of a
> solid group (this is what Muslims do well), they don't want to be
> known as the geeks and social outcasts which is what Indian parents
> end up doing mostly in the US by over emphasis on studies and also
> spelling bee's (I never got the obsession with that crap anyway). So
> they end up imbibing the attitudes described in that survey in an
> effort to belong somewhere.
>
> The pattern is not exactly the same in India but it is similar.
>
> I told people from RSS many times that they would attract more youth
> if they dumped that ridiculous colonial era khaki shorts uniform
> which has nothing to do with Hindus anyway.
>
> <<< True, athletics are not simply about competition for a prize or
> for the achievement of perfection or an expression of the Greeks'
> piety to their gods. It's all that and more. Greek athletes dreaming
> of going to Olympia had first to graduate from a "gymnasion-
> palaistra." This was a school for the education of nude athletes, an
> academy where "paidotribai" (trainers), musicians, philosophers, and
> grammarians trained their bodies and minds to practice ar�te,
> excellence in both sports and life. Arete was courage, nobility, and
> virtue. So, despite the shortcomings of the athletes, and the
> unseemly behavior of some poleis, the Olympics and the other local
> and Panhellenic athletic celebrations never became sole venues for
> entertainment. Says Miller, "athletic competitions were not essential
> to the health and welfare of the city." On the contrary, athletics
> were central to the well being of the Greeks, their religion, art,
> education, deep yearning for a political union, and for the
> celebration of their common culture. The Olympics is a perfect mirror
> of the Greek spirit -- joining the divine with the human in honest
> athletic competitions, bringing forth the virtue of courage and
> perfection.
>
> http://www.vallianatos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/training-body-and-mind-for-the-practice-of-arete.pdf
>
> >>>
>
> So if you want to attract youth you have to promote such things to
> attract them and give them a religious orientation.
>
> In the old days Mallayodha's carried the expectations of the entire
> Hindu community when competing against Muslims.
>
> On a side note, Ravilochanan is absolutely right in saying that most
> people who are into Hindu activism are only in it because they hate
> Muslims or fear them. They couldn't care less about Sanskrit or the
> sad state of temples etc. They are just afraid that if Muslims take
> over it will be an end to what I call the "kool yaar" lifestyle they
> are used to.
>
> End of forwarded message from D. H.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Forwarded message from S. K.

Monday, March 21, 2011

There is exaggeration in the numbers but it is also true that things
are going worse. Although the "hep" is more in big cities, villages
and towns are going bad. That said, there is also sufficient amount
of propaganda to make things look bad and hopeless and the proportion
of people sticking to a disciplined life is no bad.

For part of the problem, early marriage is a solution. Careerism
resulted in late marriages for at least two generations in India, and
that should be addressed. That will bring down the generation gap
between parent and offspring, and of course shortens the freakout
time. That also offers some family support in terms of not making
"settlement" mandatory for marriage.

End of forwarded message from S. K.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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