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TOPIC: SALMAN KHAN'S 26/11 COMMENTS SPARK OUTRAGE [Muslim Terrorism]
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 13 2010 11:51 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Salman Khan's 26/11 comments spark outrage

PTI
Rediff
Sunday, September 12, 2010

Bollywood star Salman Khan was under attack for claiming during an
interview to a Pakistani channel that the 26/11 attacks were hyped
because "elite people" were targeted. The comments have prompted
angry reactions from political parties with the Shiv Sena calling
them "anti national".

Maharashtra's Deputy Chief Minister Chagan Bhujbal and the Bharatiya
Janata Party too reacted sharply to the star's statement. "It was the
elite that was targeted this time. Five star hotels and all. So they
panicked. Then they got up and spoke about it. My question is why not
before. Attacks have happened in trains and small towns too, but no
one talked about it so much," the 44-year-old actor had said during
an interview to Express 24/7 channel.

The Shiv Sena today that Khan apologise for the statement. "The 26/11
attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
his remarks. Ambani was not staying at the CST, nor was Tata or Birla
staying in Cama Lane," Sena leader Sanjay Raut said referring to
Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus and Cama Lane, which were among the
places targetted by terrorists. Meanwhile Bhujbal has called the
statement "uninformed". "He is an actor. He does not have the
information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani govt was
involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
hotel workers, all lost their lives in the attacks," said Bhujbal.

"26/11 attack was an attack on India. We cannot forget that Indian
citizens were killed. This was not a small issue for Salman Khan to
comment. This was an attack meticulously planned by Pakistan," said
Ravi Shankar Prasad, BJP spokesperson. The attacks had left 166
people dead. Eight of the attacks occurred in south Mumbai at the
Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, the Oberoi Trident, the Taj Mahal
Palace & Tower, Leopold Cafe, Cama Hospital, the Orthodox Jewish-owned
Nariman House, the Metro Cinema and a lane behind the Times of India
building an St. Xavier's College.

Condemning the actor's remarks, Special Prosecutor in 26/11 trial
Ujwal Nikam said that the statement was "childish". "It appears that
without knowing the details of the terror attack, the actor made such
statements and I shall say these are childish remarks. They
(terrorists) don't make any distinction between rich and poor. It is
judicially established that the outcome was a deep routed criminal
conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets were deliberately
selected to wage war against India," he said.

Khan who is riding high after the success of his latest film Dabangg
has meanwhile taken to Twitter to clarify his stand.

"Every human life has equal value n any act of terror, anywhere in
the world is unpardonable. be it 9/11 or 26/11," tweeted the actor.
"Next time mein apnne sub interview sub khud bhi record karoonga,
kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho, (I will record all
my interviews from the next time onwards so that I can avoid these
controversies)," he added.

Tags: Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, Cama Lane, Chagan Bhujbal,
Bharatiya Janata Party, Shiv Sena

More at:
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/sep/12/anniversary-26-11-salman-khan-comments-spark-outrage.htm

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 1:47 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Dabangg Salman blasted for 26/11 comment, says sorry

By T. N. Raghunatha
The Pioneer
Tuesday, September 14, 2010

Mumbai - Within hours of inviting scathing criticism from various
quarters for his "uninformed", "childish", "irresponsible" and
"arrogant" statement that the 26/11 attacks were hyped because "elite
people" were targeted, Bollywood actor Salman Khan on Sunday evening
apologised for "hurting" the sentiments of people.

As his just-released film Dabangg opened to brisk business at the
weekend box office, Salman found himself in an unseemly controversy
after Indian news channel Aak Tak broadcast the actor's interview,
aired earlier by Pakistan's leading television channel Express 24x7,
in which he had made controversial remarks about the 26/11 attacks.

Attributing the "hype" surrounding the 26/11 attacks to the fact that
"elite people" were targeted by Pakistani terrorists, Salman had said
in the interview: "Everybody knew that the (Pakistani) Government was
not behind it and it was a terrorist attack. More than anything, our
security failed. We have had lot of attacks earlier, and all of them
were not from Pakistan. They were from within. This time because Taj
and Oberoi were under attack, everybody just stood up.

"In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and small towns. At
that time, no one stood up. This time just because the elite were
targeted, five star hotel and stuff, they panicked. For the first
time, they got up and spoke about it. Why suddenly now? This has been
happening for the longest time. People suddenly woke up because they
were scared for their own lives and (those of) their loved ones," the
Bollywood actor said.

Having come under attack from many political leaders and prominent
citizens through Sunday afternoon, the actor went into damage-control
mode by the evening by tendering apology for the "hurt" caused.

Claiming that his interview had been "twisted" to make him sound
"insensitive", Salman told a news channel later in the day: "My
interview has been twisted. I saw it myself; the way it is coming
across on TV, it is sounding insensitive. I was just saying life is
equal for both rich and the poor; some attacks get more media
coverage and some don't. Why is that? Every human life is important,"
he said.

The actor added: "Any terror attack, and in any part of the world, is
unpardonable. A terrorist has no nationality, no religion and no
guts. I have complete faith in our intelligence agencies. I've always
had faith in our police and armed forces... I did not want to hurt
anybody's sentiments and if I have hurt anybody's sentiments, then I
am really, really sorry."

Earlier in the afternoon, condemning Salman for his objectionable
remarks, Shiv Sena's spokesperson Sanjay Raut said: "The 26/11
attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
his remarks. Salman should have realised that Ambani was not at the
CST, nor were Tata and Birla in Cama Lane at that time." The two
places Raut was referring to -- Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
and Cama Lane -- were among the sites targeted by Pakistani
terrorists on the night of November 26, 2008, in which 166 persons
were killed.

Dubbing Salman's remarks "childish", Special Prosecutor in the 26/11
trial Ujwal Nikam said: "It appears that without knowing the details,
the actor made such statements... I shall say these are childish
remarks. They (terrorists) don't make any distinction between the
rich and the poor. It is judicially established that the outcome was
a deep-rooted criminal conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets
were deliberately selected to wage war against India."

Reacting to Salman's remarks, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said: "It
doesn't matter whether a big or small person has died. It's very
serious matter for the country when somebody loses his life in a
terror attack. We need to work together to root out terrorism."

Describing the actor's statement as "uninformed", Deputy Chief
Minister Chhagan Bhujbal said: "He is an actor. He does not have the
information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani Government was
involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
hotel workers; they all lost their lives in the attacks."

Demanding stringent action against Salman for his objectionable
remarks, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said: "Had POTA been in
existence today, Salman would have been behind bars... He should to
keep his 'dabangg-giri' confined to films. He should apologise to the
nation."

Noted columnist Shobhaa De called for the boycott of Salman's latest
film. "Salman K's shocking statement abt 26/11 smacks of arrogance,
ignorance and plain stupidity. A lame apology won't do, Sallubhai.
Boycott Dabangg!," she tweeted.

Apart from apologising over television, Salman also sought to clarify
on his Twitter page: "Every human life has equal value and any act of
terror, anywhere in the world, is unpardonable. Be it 9/11 or 26/11."
He added, "Next time mein apne sub interview sub khud bhi record
karoonga, kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho (I will
record all my interviews next time onwards so that I can avoid these
controversies)," he added.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/282767/Dabangg-Salman-blasted-for-26/11-comment-says-sorry.html

More at:
http://www.dailypioneer.com

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 1:49 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Forwarded message from R. M.

He was repeating what ISI is telling him to repeat. This is to gauge
the mood of the nation.

Wasn't this guy convicted of a crime (remember Bishnois of Rajasthan)
and was given a sentence of 5 years. Whatever happened to it?

End of forwarded message from R. M.

> Dabangg Salman blasted for 26/11 comment, says sorry
>
> By T. N. Raghunatha
> The Pioneer
> Tuesday, September 14, 2010
>
> Mumbai - Within hours of inviting scathing criticism from various
> quarters for his "uninformed", "childish", "irresponsible" and
> "arrogant" statement that the 26/11 attacks were hyped because "elite
> people" were targeted, Bollywood actor Salman Khan on Sunday evening
> apologised for "hurting" the sentiments of people.
>
> As his just-released film Dabangg opened to brisk business at the
> weekend box office, Salman found himself in an unseemly controversy
> after Indian news channel Aak Tak broadcast the actor's interview,
> aired earlier by Pakistan's leading television channel Express 24x7,
> in which he had made controversial remarks about the 26/11 attacks.
>
> Attributing the "hype" surrounding the 26/11 attacks to the fact that
> "elite people" were targeted by Pakistani terrorists, Salman had said
> in the interview: "Everybody knew that the (Pakistani) Government was
> not behind it and it was a terrorist attack. More than anything, our
> security failed. We have had lot of attacks earlier, and all of them
> were not from Pakistan. They were from within. This time because Taj
> and Oberoi were under attack, everybody just stood up.
>
> "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and small towns. At
> that time, no one stood up. This time just because the elite were
> targeted, five star hotel and stuff, they panicked. For the first
> time, they got up and spoke about it. Why suddenly now? This has been
> happening for the longest time. People suddenly woke up because they
> were scared for their own lives and (those of) their loved ones," the
> Bollywood actor said.
>
> Having come under attack from many political leaders and prominent
> citizens through Sunday afternoon, the actor went into damage-control
> mode by the evening by tendering apology for the "hurt" caused.
>
> Claiming that his interview had been "twisted" to make him sound
> "insensitive", Salman told a news channel later in the day: "My
> interview has been twisted. I saw it myself; the way it is coming
> across on TV, it is sounding insensitive. I was just saying life is
> equal for both rich and the poor; some attacks get more media
> coverage and some don't. Why is that? Every human life is important,"
> he said.
>
> The actor added: "Any terror attack, and in any part of the world, is
> unpardonable. A terrorist has no nationality, no religion and no
> guts. I have complete faith in our intelligence agencies. I've always
> had faith in our police and armed forces... I did not want to hurt
> anybody's sentiments and if I have hurt anybody's sentiments, then I
> am really, really sorry."
>
> Earlier in the afternoon, condemning Salman for his objectionable
> remarks, Shiv Sena's spokesperson Sanjay Raut said: "The 26/11
> attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
> his remarks. Salman should have realised that Ambani was not at the
> CST, nor were Tata and Birla in Cama Lane at that time." The two
> places Raut was referring to -- Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
> and Cama Lane -- were among the sites targeted by Pakistani
> terrorists on the night of November 26, 2008, in which 166 persons
> were killed.
>
> Dubbing Salman's remarks "childish", Special Prosecutor in the 26/11
> trial Ujwal Nikam said: "It appears that without knowing the details,
> the actor made such statements... I shall say these are childish
> remarks. They (terrorists) don't make any distinction between the
> rich and the poor. It is judicially established that the outcome was
> a deep-rooted criminal conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets
> were deliberately selected to wage war against India."
>
> Reacting to Salman's remarks, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said: "It
> doesn't matter whether a big or small person has died. It's very
> serious matter for the country when somebody loses his life in a
> terror attack. We need to work together to root out terrorism."
>
> Describing the actor's statement as "uninformed", Deputy Chief
> Minister Chhagan Bhujbal said: "He is an actor. He does not have the
> information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani Government was
> involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
> hotel workers; they all lost their lives in the attacks."
>
> Demanding stringent action against Salman for his objectionable
> remarks, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said: "Had POTA been in
> existence today, Salman would have been behind bars... He should to
> keep his 'dabangg-giri' confined to films. He should apologise to the
> nation."
>
> Noted columnist Shobhaa De called for the boycott of Salman's latest
> film. "Salman K's shocking statement abt 26/11 smacks of arrogance,
> ignorance and plain stupidity. A lame apology won't do, Sallubhai.
> Boycott Dabangg!," she tweeted.
>
> Apart from apologising over television, Salman also sought to clarify
> on his Twitter page: "Every human life has equal value and any act of
> terror, anywhere in the world, is unpardonable. Be it 9/11 or 26/11."
> He added, "Next time mein apne sub interview sub khud bhi record
> karoonga, kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho (I will
> record all my interviews next time onwards so that I can avoid these
> controversies)," he added.
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/282767/Dabangg-Salman-blasted-for-26/11-comment-sa
> ys-sorry.html
>
> More at:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 2:01 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Forwarded message from A. C.

The actor said: "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and
small towns. At that time, no one stood up."

There is a lot of merit in this statement. While he is completely
wrong to absolve Pakistan of the attack, the contention that because
the elite were attacked, the secularists took note, has a huge merit.
Even in the media coverage of the terrorist attack, there was little
mention about places like the Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus, and the
whole concentration was on Taj and Oberoi hotels.

End of forwarded message from A. C.

> Forwarded message from R. M.
>
> He was repeating what ISI is telling him to repeat. This is to gauge
> the mood of the nation.
>
> Wasn't this guy convicted of a crime (remember Bishnois of Rajasthan)
> and was given a sentence of 5 years. Whatever happened to it?
>
> End of forwarded message from R. M.
>
> > Dabangg Salman blasted for 26/11 comment, says sorry
> >
> > By T. N. Raghunatha
> > The Pioneer
> > Tuesday, September 14, 2010
> >
> > Mumbai - Within hours of inviting scathing criticism from various
> > quarters for his "uninformed", "childish", "irresponsible" and
> > "arrogant" statement that the 26/11 attacks were hyped because "elite
> > people" were targeted, Bollywood actor Salman Khan on Sunday evening
> > apologised for "hurting" the sentiments of people.
> >
> > As his just-released film Dabangg opened to brisk business at the
> > weekend box office, Salman found himself in an unseemly controversy
> > after Indian news channel Aak Tak broadcast the actor's interview,
> > aired earlier by Pakistan's leading television channel Express 24x7,
> > in which he had made controversial remarks about the 26/11 attacks.
> >
> > Attributing the "hype" surrounding the 26/11 attacks to the fact that
> > "elite people" were targeted by Pakistani terrorists, Salman had said
> > in the interview: "Everybody knew that the (Pakistani) Government was
> > not behind it and it was a terrorist attack. More than anything, our
> > security failed. We have had lot of attacks earlier, and all of them
> > were not from Pakistan. They were from within. This time because Taj
> > and Oberoi were under attack, everybody just stood up.
> >
> > "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and small towns. At
> > that time, no one stood up. This time just because the elite were
> > targeted, five star hotel and stuff, they panicked. For the first
> > time, they got up and spoke about it. Why suddenly now? This has been
> > happening for the longest time. People suddenly woke up because they
> > were scared for their own lives and (those of) their loved ones," the
> > Bollywood actor said.
> >
> > Having come under attack from many political leaders and prominent
> > citizens through Sunday afternoon, the actor went into damage-control
> > mode by the evening by tendering apology for the "hurt" caused.
> >
> > Claiming that his interview had been "twisted" to make him sound
> > "insensitive", Salman told a news channel later in the day: "My
> > interview has been twisted. I saw it myself; the way it is coming
> > across on TV, it is sounding insensitive. I was just saying life is
> > equal for both rich and the poor; some attacks get more media
> > coverage and some don't. Why is that? Every human life is important,"
> > he said.
> >
> > The actor added: "Any terror attack, and in any part of the world, is
> > unpardonable. A terrorist has no nationality, no religion and no
> > guts. I have complete faith in our intelligence agencies. I've always
> > had faith in our police and armed forces... I did not want to hurt
> > anybody's sentiments and if I have hurt anybody's sentiments, then I
> > am really, really sorry."
> >
> > Earlier in the afternoon, condemning Salman for his objectionable
> > remarks, Shiv Sena's spokesperson Sanjay Raut said: "The 26/11
> > attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
> > his remarks. Salman should have realised that Ambani was not at the
> > CST, nor were Tata and Birla in Cama Lane at that time." The two
> > places Raut was referring to -- Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
> > and Cama Lane -- were among the sites targeted by Pakistani
> > terrorists on the night of November 26, 2008, in which 166 persons
> > were killed.
> >
> > Dubbing Salman's remarks "childish", Special Prosecutor in the 26/11
> > trial Ujwal Nikam said: "It appears that without knowing the details,
> > the actor made such statements... I shall say these are childish
> > remarks. They (terrorists) don't make any distinction between the
> > rich and the poor. It is judicially established that the outcome was
> > a deep-rooted criminal conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets
> > were deliberately selected to wage war against India."
> >
> > Reacting to Salman's remarks, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said: "It
> > doesn't matter whether a big or small person has died. It's very
> > serious matter for the country when somebody loses his life in a
> > terror attack. We need to work together to root out terrorism."
> >
> > Describing the actor's statement as "uninformed", Deputy Chief
> > Minister Chhagan Bhujbal said: "He is an actor. He does not have the
> > information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani Government was
> > involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
> > hotel workers; they all lost their lives in the attacks."
> >
> > Demanding stringent action against Salman for his objectionable
> > remarks, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said: "Had POTA been in
> > existence today, Salman would have been behind bars... He should to
> > keep his 'dabangg-giri' confined to films. He should apologise to the
> > nation."
> >
> > Noted columnist Shobhaa De called for the boycott of Salman's latest
> > film. "Salman K's shocking statement abt 26/11 smacks of arrogance,
> > ignorance and plain stupidity. A lame apology won't do, Sallubhai.
> > Boycott Dabangg!," she tweeted.
> >
> > Apart from apologising over television, Salman also sought to clarify
> > on his Twitter page: "Every human life has equal value and any act of
> > terror, anywhere in the world, is unpardonable. Be it 9/11 or 26/11."
> > He added, "Next time mein apne sub interview sub khud bhi record
> > karoonga, kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho (I will
> > record all my interviews next time onwards so that I can avoid these
> > controversies)," he added.
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/282767/Dabangg-Salman-blasted-for-26/11-comment-says-sorry.html
>
> > More at:
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti

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== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 2:04 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Forwarded message from R. M.

You know A. C. ji...while reading that part of the report I felt just
like you did and I knew you were going repeat that here...sometimes,
I surprise myself. If you sit back and think, these comments had a
larger purpose...somebody is measuring how complacent the public
is....given the non stop attacks on India...Maoists, naxals, and
political ego trips (Jagan Reddy, Lalu , etc). Salman Khan comments
must be viewed in that context.

I don't trust this scumbag. He is a communalist. I will not forgive
him for his attack on Bishnoi's faith and subsequent conviction by a
court of law for that attack.

End of forwarded message from R. M.

> Forwarded message from A. C.
>
> The actor said: "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and
> small towns. At that time, no one stood up."
>
> There is a lot of merit in this statement. While he is completely
> wrong to absolve Pakistan of the attack, the contention that because
> the elite were attacked, the secularists took note, has a huge merit.
> Even in the media coverage of the terrorist attack, there was little
> mention about places like the Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus, and the
> whole concentration was on Taj and Oberoi hotels.
>
> End of forwarded message from A. C.
>
> > Forwarded message from R. M.
> >
> > He was repeating what ISI is telling him to repeat. This is to gauge
> > the mood of the nation.
> >
> > Wasn't this guy convicted of a crime (remember Bishnois of Rajasthan)
> > and was given a sentence of 5 years. Whatever happened to it?
> >
> > End of forwarded message from R. M.
> >
> > > Dabangg Salman blasted for 26/11 comment, says sorry
> > >
> > > By T. N. Raghunatha
> > > The Pioneer
> > > Tuesday, September 14, 2010
> > >
> > > Mumbai - Within hours of inviting scathing criticism from various
> > > quarters for his "uninformed", "childish", "irresponsible" and
> > > "arrogant" statement that the 26/11 attacks were hyped because "elite
> > > people" were targeted, Bollywood actor Salman Khan on Sunday evening
> > > apologised for "hurting" the sentiments of people.
> > >
> > > As his just-released film Dabangg opened to brisk business at the
> > > weekend box office, Salman found himself in an unseemly controversy
> > > after Indian news channel Aak Tak broadcast the actor's interview,
> > > aired earlier by Pakistan's leading television channel Express 24x7,
> > > in which he had made controversial remarks about the 26/11 attacks.
> > >
> > > Attributing the "hype" surrounding the 26/11 attacks to the fact that
> > > "elite people" were targeted by Pakistani terrorists, Salman had said
> > > in the interview: "Everybody knew that the (Pakistani) Government was
> > > not behind it and it was a terrorist attack. More than anything, our
> > > security failed. We have had lot of attacks earlier, and all of them
> > > were not from Pakistan. They were from within. This time because Taj
> > > and Oberoi were under attack, everybody just stood up.
> > >
> > > "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and small towns. At
> > > that time, no one stood up. This time just because the elite were
> > > targeted, five star hotel and stuff, they panicked. For the first
> > > time, they got up and spoke about it. Why suddenly now? This has been
> > > happening for the longest time. People suddenly woke up because they
> > > were scared for their own lives and (those of) their loved ones," the
> > > Bollywood actor said.
> > >
> > > Having come under attack from many political leaders and prominent
> > > citizens through Sunday afternoon, the actor went into damage-control
> > > mode by the evening by tendering apology for the "hurt" caused.
> > >
> > > Claiming that his interview had been "twisted" to make him sound
> > > "insensitive", Salman told a news channel later in the day: "My
> > > interview has been twisted. I saw it myself; the way it is coming
> > > across on TV, it is sounding insensitive. I was just saying life is
> > > equal for both rich and the poor; some attacks get more media
> > > coverage and some don't. Why is that? Every human life is important,"
> > > he said.
> > >
> > > The actor added: "Any terror attack, and in any part of the world, is
> > > unpardonable. A terrorist has no nationality, no religion and no
> > > guts. I have complete faith in our intelligence agencies. I've always
> > > had faith in our police and armed forces... I did not want to hurt
> > > anybody's sentiments and if I have hurt anybody's sentiments, then I
> > > am really, really sorry."
> > >
> > > Earlier in the afternoon, condemning Salman for his objectionable
> > > remarks, Shiv Sena's spokesperson Sanjay Raut said: "The 26/11
> > > attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
> > > his remarks. Salman should have realised that Ambani was not at the
> > > CST, nor were Tata and Birla in Cama Lane at that time." The two
> > > places Raut was referring to -- Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
> > > and Cama Lane -- were among the sites targeted by Pakistani
> > > terrorists on the night of November 26, 2008, in which 166 persons
> > > were killed.
> > >
> > > Dubbing Salman's remarks "childish", Special Prosecutor in the 26/11
> > > trial Ujwal Nikam said: "It appears that without knowing the details,
> > > the actor made such statements... I shall say these are childish
> > > remarks. They (terrorists) don't make any distinction between the
> > > rich and the poor. It is judicially established that the outcome was
> > > a deep-rooted criminal conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets
> > > were deliberately selected to wage war against India."
> > >
> > > Reacting to Salman's remarks, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said: "It
> > > doesn't matter whether a big or small person has died. It's very
> > > serious matter for the country when somebody loses his life in a
> > > terror attack. We need to work together to root out terrorism."
> > >
> > > Describing the actor's statement as "uninformed", Deputy Chief
> > > Minister Chhagan Bhujbal said: "He is an actor. He does not have the
> > > information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani Government was
> > > involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
> > > hotel workers; they all lost their lives in the attacks."
> > >
> > > Demanding stringent action against Salman for his objectionable
> > > remarks, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said: "Had POTA been in
> > > existence today, Salman would have been behind bars... He should to
> > > keep his 'dabangg-giri' confined to films. He should apologise to the
> > > nation."
> > >
> > > Noted columnist Shobhaa De called for the boycott of Salman's latest
> > > film. "Salman K's shocking statement abt 26/11 smacks of arrogance,
> > > ignorance and plain stupidity. A lame apology won't do, Sallubhai.
> > > Boycott Dabangg!," she tweeted.
> > >
> > > Apart from apologising over television, Salman also sought to clarify
> > > on his Twitter page: "Every human life has equal value and any act of
> > > terror, anywhere in the world, is unpardonable. Be it 9/11 or 26/11."
> > > He added, "Next time mein apne sub interview sub khud bhi record
> > > karoonga, kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho (I will
> > > record all my interviews next time onwards so that I can avoid these
> > > controversies)," he added.
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/282767/Dabangg-Salman-blasted-for-26/11-comment-says-sorry.html
>
> > > More at:
> > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
>
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== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 2:23 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Forwarded message from H. K.

His apology has no meaning.

He has been trying to act as a Good Indian. But his real sentiments
of a Islamist slipped and came out in the open.

Barak Hussain Obama also is a political actor, but his inner and real
Islamic feelings blurted out when he talked of Ground Zero Mosque.

We should always remember that a Muslim is a Muslim..... is a Muslim.

End of forwarded message from H. K.

> Forwarded message from R. M.
>
> You know A. C. ji...while reading that part of the report I felt just
> like you did and I knew you were going repeat that here...sometimes,
> I surprise myself. If you sit back and think, these comments had a
> larger purpose...somebody is measuring how complacent the public
> is....given the non stop attacks on India...Maoists, naxals, and
> political ego trips (Jagan Reddy, Lalu , etc). Salman Khan comments
> must be viewed in that context.
>
> I don't trust this scumbag. He is a communalist. I will not forgive
> him for his attack on Bishnoi's faith and subsequent conviction by a
> court of law for that attack.
>
> End of forwarded message from R. M.
>
> > Forwarded message from A. C.
> >
> > The actor said: "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and
> > small towns. At that time, no one stood up."
> >
> > There is a lot of merit in this statement. While he is completely
> > wrong to absolve Pakistan of the attack, the contention that because
> > the elite were attacked, the secularists took note, has a huge merit.
> > Even in the media coverage of the terrorist attack, there was little
> > mention about places like the Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus, and the
> > whole concentration was on Taj and Oberoi hotels.
> >
> > End of forwarded message from A. C.
> >
> > > Forwarded message from R. M.
> > >
> > > He was repeating what ISI is telling him to repeat. This is to gauge
> > > the mood of the nation.
> > >
> > > Wasn't this guy convicted of a crime (remember Bishnois of Rajasthan)
> > > and was given a sentence of 5 years. Whatever happened to it?
> > >
> > > End of forwarded message from R. M.
> > >
> > > > Dabangg Salman blasted for 26/11 comment, says sorry
> > > >
> > > > By T. N. Raghunatha
> > > > The Pioneer
> > > > Tuesday, September 14, 2010
> > > >
> > > > Mumbai - Within hours of inviting scathing criticism from various
> > > > quarters for his "uninformed", "childish", "irresponsible" and
> > > > "arrogant" statement that the 26/11 attacks were hyped because "elite
> > > > people" were targeted, Bollywood actor Salman Khan on Sunday evening
> > > > apologised for "hurting" the sentiments of people.
> > > >
> > > > As his just-released film Dabangg opened to brisk business at the
> > > > weekend box office, Salman found himself in an unseemly controversy
> > > > after Indian news channel Aak Tak broadcast the actor's interview,
> > > > aired earlier by Pakistan's leading television channel Express 24x7,
> > > > in which he had made controversial remarks about the 26/11 attacks.
> > > >
> > > > Attributing the "hype" surrounding the 26/11 attacks to the fact that
> > > > "elite people" were targeted by Pakistani terrorists, Salman had said
> > > > in the interview: "Everybody knew that the (Pakistani) Government was
> > > > not behind it and it was a terrorist attack. More than anything, our
> > > > security failed. We have had lot of attacks earlier, and all of them
> > > > were not from Pakistan. They were from within. This time because Taj
> > > > and Oberoi were under attack, everybody just stood up.
> > > >
> > > > "In the past, we have had bomb blasts in trains and small towns. At
> > > > that time, no one stood up. This time just because the elite were
> > > > targeted, five star hotel and stuff, they panicked. For the first
> > > > time, they got up and spoke about it. Why suddenly now? This has been
> > > > happening for the longest time. People suddenly woke up because they
> > > > were scared for their own lives and (those of) their loved ones," the
> > > > Bollywood actor said.
> > > >
> > > > Having come under attack from many political leaders and prominent
> > > > citizens through Sunday afternoon, the actor went into damage-control
> > > > mode by the evening by tendering apology for the "hurt" caused.
> > > >
> > > > Claiming that his interview had been "twisted" to make him sound
> > > > "insensitive", Salman told a news channel later in the day: "My
> > > > interview has been twisted. I saw it myself; the way it is coming
> > > > across on TV, it is sounding insensitive. I was just saying life is
> > > > equal for both rich and the poor; some attacks get more media
> > > > coverage and some don't. Why is that? Every human life is important,"
> > > > he said.
> > > >
> > > > The actor added: "Any terror attack, and in any part of the world, is
> > > > unpardonable. A terrorist has no nationality, no religion and no
> > > > guts. I have complete faith in our intelligence agencies. I've always
> > > > had faith in our police and armed forces... I did not want to hurt
> > > > anybody's sentiments and if I have hurt anybody's sentiments, then I
> > > > am really, really sorry."
> > > >
> > > > Earlier in the afternoon, condemning Salman for his objectionable
> > > > remarks, Shiv Sena's spokesperson Sanjay Raut said: "The 26/11
> > > > attacks were a war against the nation. Salman should apologise for
> > > > his remarks. Salman should have realised that Ambani was not at the
> > > > CST, nor were Tata and Birla in Cama Lane at that time." The two
> > > > places Raut was referring to -- Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
> > > > and Cama Lane -- were among the sites targeted by Pakistani
> > > > terrorists on the night of November 26, 2008, in which 166 persons
> > > > were killed.
> > > >
> > > > Dubbing Salman's remarks "childish", Special Prosecutor in the 26/11
> > > > trial Ujwal Nikam said: "It appears that without knowing the details,
> > > > the actor made such statements... I shall say these are childish
> > > > remarks. They (terrorists) don't make any distinction between the
> > > > rich and the poor. It is judicially established that the outcome was
> > > > a deep-rooted criminal conspiracy hatched in Pakistan and the targets
> > > > were deliberately selected to wage war against India."
> > > >
> > > > Reacting to Salman's remarks, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said: "It
> > > > doesn't matter whether a big or small person has died. It's very
> > > > serious matter for the country when somebody loses his life in a
> > > > terror attack. We need to work together to root out terrorism."
> > > >
> > > > Describing the actor's statement as "uninformed", Deputy Chief
> > > > Minister Chhagan Bhujbal said: "He is an actor. He does not have the
> > > > information to make a comment on whether the Pakistani Government was
> > > > involved or not. People travelling in taxis, constables, waiters,
> > > > hotel workers; they all lost their lives in the attacks."
> > > >
> > > > Demanding stringent action against Salman for his objectionable
> > > > remarks, BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said: "Had POTA been in
> > > > existence today, Salman would have been behind bars... He should to
> > > > keep his 'dabangg-giri' confined to films. He should apologise to the
> > > > nation."
> > > >
> > > > Noted columnist Shobhaa De called for the boycott of Salman's latest
> > > > film. "Salman K's shocking statement abt 26/11 smacks of arrogance,
> > > > ignorance and plain stupidity. A lame apology won't do, Sallubhai.
> > > > Boycott Dabangg!," she tweeted.
> > > >
> > > > Apart from apologising over television, Salman also sought to clarify
> > > > on his Twitter page: "Every human life has equal value and any act of
> > > > terror, anywhere in the world, is unpardonable. Be it 9/11 or 26/11."
> > > > He added, "Next time mein apne sub interview sub khud bhi record
> > > > karoonga, kya bolte ho? Takeh yeh sub controversies nahi ho (I will
> > > > record all my interviews next time onwards so that I can avoid these
> > > > controversies)," he added.
>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/282767/Dabangg-Salman-blasted-for-26/11-comment-says-sorry.html
>
> > > > More at:
> > > > http://www.dailypioneer.com
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > > Om Shanti

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== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 7:58 am
From: idd


On 2010-09-14, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) <usenet@mantra.com> wrote:
>
> Barak Hussain Obama also is a political actor, but his inner and real
> Islamic feelings blurted out when he talked of Ground Zero Mosque.
>
> We should always remember that a Muslim is a Muslim..... is a Muslim.
>

That is incorrect in at least two ways:

(1) Faux News' histrionics aside, Obama has always been xtian.

(2) A spirit soul is a spirit soul.... is a spirit soul.

--
idd

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 9:31 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <8f9gsuFkaoU1@mid.individual.net>,
idd <idd@127.0.0.1> posted:
> . . .
> (1) Faux News' histrionics aside, Obama has always been xtian.
> . . .

Obama is a Muslim

Forwarded message

o The FIRST thing Obama did as a newly elected Illinois State
Senator was to attempt to declare a Muslim holiday. Obama sponsored
Bill SR0110 in the 90th General Assembly to declare November 1, 1997
to be Islamic Community Center Day. It did not pass.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SR0110.html

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/srgroups/sr/900SR0110LV.html

o His biological father was a Muslim.

http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/?title=Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.&src=abop&qpvt=barack+obama+seniot&q=barack+obama+senior&fwd=1

o Because his biological father was a Muslim the Islam world
thinks he is a Muslim.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/08/obama_is_a_muslim_18_24_or.html?hpid=topnews

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

o His stepfather was a Muslim.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

o As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta
Indonesia. An Indonesian Madrasa.

o Barack Hussein Obama's first and middle names are Arabic Muslim
names.

Barack was the name for Mohammad's horse. Husein, enough said.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700246419/Barack-Muhammads-horse.html

http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/will-be-obama-with-us-muslims-as-the-meaning-of-his-name-in-persian-language/

o Obama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer,
which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a
radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07 (***this one is a
gottcha moment***)

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3413/pub_detail.asp

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11679

o On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is
"one of the prettiest sounds on earth."

http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of-the-prettiest-sounds-on-earth/

http://caosblog.com/archives/7373

o Obama belonged to Rev. Wright's (a former Muslim) church for
twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/20/rev-wright-got-his-masters-degree-in-islam-in-west-africa/

http://endtimes.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/289

o Obama's said that the U.S. is "one of the largest Muslim
countries in the world."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/obama_america_one_of_the_large_1.asp

o Obama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the
National Day of Prayer.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1724544/obama_cancels_national_day_of_prayer.html?cat=9

http://www.exposeobama.com/

o President Obama's religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the
United States "the ideal place for the renewal of Islam."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/-obama-tells-egyptian-foreign-minister-i-am-a-muslim-stealth-coup-on-the-white-house.html

o Obama does not give gifts on Christmas.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12035.html

o Obama doesn't celebrate his birthday.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/a-tough-birthday-for-obama/

o Obama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of
America.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7041/pub_detail.asp

o Obama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech
at Notre Dame.

http://blog.acton.org/archives/9843-notre-dame-georgetown-and-president-obama.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/11/opinion/main5006203.shtml

http://dougpowers.com/2009/04/17/obamas-jesus-coverup/

o Christian symbol covered up during Obama's Georgetown speech

http://myfaithspace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-covers-christ-and-cross

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667

o Obama's first major speech in office was a "Muslim outreach"
speech in Cairo Egypt.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8083171.stm

o "The American President told me in confidence that he is a
Muslim," said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/bombshell-egyptian-foreign-minister-ahmed-aboul-gheit-says-on-egyptian-tv-%e2%80%9cthe-american-president-told-me-in-confidence-that-he-is-still-a-muslim-%e2%80%9d/

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=166905

o Obama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center
and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a
dinner celebrating the day's end of the first day of Ramadan at the
WH.

http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492?ncid=webmail

o Obama tasked NASA with a mission of "Muslim outreach."

http://technology.newsplurk.com/2010/07/nasa-and-islam.html

o Obama referred to his faith as "my Muslim faith" in an interview
with George Stephanopolous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

o Pushes Islamic freedom of religion but not Jewish or Christian
freedoms. Several weeks ago he told Israel NOT to build settlements
in East Jerusalem. But OK to build that Mosque at Ground Zero.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7514285/Israel-spits-in-Obamas-eye-by-announcing-new-settlements-in-east-Jerusalem.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/24/barack-obama-israel-settlement-plan

End of forwarded message

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 9:37 am
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <8f9gsuFkaoU1@mid.individual.net>,
idd <idd@127.0.0.1> posted:
> . . .
> (2) A spirit soul is a spirit soul.... is a spirit soul.
> . . .

[ Subject: 'A MUSLIM IS A MUSLIM'
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Thursday, May 1, 2003 <---*

Forwarded message

A Muslim is a Muslim

Oracle Commentaries
4/20/2003

By Hal Lindsey

I also predicted something else in a several
commentaries. I predicted that we would win the war but
this would not make the people like us; that the Iraqis
and their Muslim neighbors would not accept a Western
presence and a Western style democracy.

The reason I knew this was because of a realistic
understanding of the Muslim mind. Muslims will never
accept Western Powers as friends. To them, we will always
be Christian Crusader invaders, even though we came to
liberate them from tyrannical dictator. They will never
accept our presence in the Middle East, which they view
as their exclusive Muslim world.

They will not accept any form of our government. At the
very core of the Islamic faith is Allah's command in the
Koran to establish Islamic Theocracies over the lands
they rule.

This is why we should not be surprised at what happened
at overflow prayer services last Friday. There was a rare
display of unity at the huge Abu Hanafi Mosque. The Sunni
denomination invited the Shi'ites to join them.

The Imam leading prayer preached that they should not
trust the Americans and British. He said, "The infidels
had come only to exploit Iraq's oil riches." He told them
that they should reject Western style 'sectarian
government and should establish one Islamic State.'

The New York Times reported, "At the prayer meeting in
Baghdad, Sheik Kubeisy had little good to say about
anyone, from Mongol conquerors in 1258 to Mr. Hussein and
the looters who sacked buildings in recent days, but he
reserved much of his wrath for America. 'The United
States is the enemy of mankind, we all know why they are
here.'" The prayer service ended with banners
proclaiming, "Muslims unite against infidels!"

Reuters reported, "Tens of thousands of protesters
demanded on Friday that the United States get out of Iraq
while leaders of the Arab nation's neighbors meeting in
Saudi Arabia also called for U.S. forces to leave quickly
and warned Washington against trying to exploit Iraq's
oil wealth.

"Muslims poured out of mosques and into the streets of
Baghdad, calling for an Islamic state to be established.
"Carrying Korans, prayer mats and banners, tens of
thousands of people marched in a protest that organizers
said represented both Iraq's majority Shi'ite Muslims and
powerful Sunnis.

'"Leave our country, we want peace,' read one banner. 'No
Bush, No Saddam, Yes Yes to Islam,' read another."

Muslim governments throughout the Middle East are
terrified at the possibility of a democracy being
established in Iraq. This would cause a crisis that would
reverberate throughout the entire region. So they are
encouraging the Muslim Imams to cry out against the
infidel type of government.

The heart of the matter is that Muslims will ultimately
choose an Islamic style government with a dictatorial
type of leadership. Islam is inseparably woven around the
7th century Arab culture in which it was born. The
culture is enshrined in the Koran.

This is why Western democracy will never be accepted in
the Middle East. The Shah tried to bring western culture
and economics to Iran. Kamal Ataturk, the father of
modern Turkey, sought to divorce Turkey's government from
Islamic control. The Shah was overthrown and Turkey is on
the verge of being brought back under the control of
Islamic cleric.

I applaud President Bush in his bold strikes against
those who support terrorists and are potential threats to
the United States. I also truly admire his obvious
Christian faith and good heart. But I am very concerned
about his administration's ignorance of the true nature
of Islam.

Islam at its core is not a religion of peace, as
President Bush keeps alleging. Violence is taught in the
Koran and violence has been consistently practiced
throughout its history, beginning with Mohammad. The
Koran teaches intolerance of all other religions and
brands non-believers as infidels and inferior people.

I greatly fear that unless President Bush and his
administration get a true view of Islam, we are headed
for a national catastrophe.

I also fear that we are about to push Israel to accept a
situation that will bring about either Israel's
destruction or a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East.
Forcing Israel to accept a Palestinian State within its
borders will give the Muslims the opportunity to
accomplish their most fervent dream -to obliterate the
State of Israel.

God has promised concerning the descendance of Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob, "I will bless those who bless you, and I
will curse those who curse you." America has been blessed
because we have sought to protect Israel's right to exist
within secure borders. I truly pray that we do not find
ourselves at odds with God. Especially for the sake of
trying to win the hearts of Muslims who will always
dislike and distrust us.

In the final analysis, Mr. President, a Muslim will
always be a Muslim. And that means we will always be the
distrusted infidel invader. The quicker we learn this,
the faster we will be able to form a policy that will
help us survive as a nation under God.

End of forwarded message

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 12:47 pm
From: idd


On 2010-09-14, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) <usenet@mantra.com> wrote:
> In article <8f9gsuFkaoU1@mid.individual.net>,
> idd <idd@127.0.0.1> posted:
>> . . .
>> (1) Faux News' histrionics aside, Obama has always been xtian.
>> . . .
>
> Obama is a Muslim
>

Of course that just makes you one of the 50% or so
of USAians who are willfully ignorant, liars, or
otherwise impaired.

--
idd

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 14 2010 12:50 pm
From: idd


On 2010-09-14, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) <usenet@mantra.com> wrote:
> In article <8f9gsuFkaoU1@mid.individual.net>,
> idd <idd@127.0.0.1> posted:
>> . . .
>> (2) A spirit soul is a spirit soul.... is a spirit soul.
>> . . .
>
>
> A Muslim is a Muslim
>

Real spirituality isn't divisive and doesn't promote ignorance
or demonize other groups.
You suck.
Also, you're a spamming asshole.

--
idd

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