Tuesday, January 27, 2009

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* SLUMDOG IS ABOUT DEFAMING HINDUS - 11 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/3860c6a75db106e4?hl=en
* <<Exciting Entertainment for youth>> - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/49875077af696d8a?hl=en
* AYE MERE VATAN KE LOGO(n) - 9 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.local.indian/t/56984cd1d559c87a?hl=en

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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 6:43 pm
From: Mirza Ghalib


On Jan 25, 1:41 pm, use...@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
Maharaj) wrote:
> Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> By Kanchan Gupta
> THE PIONEERhttp://dailypioneer.com
> Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars

But Dr. Maharaj, the central character in the film
carries the name Jamal Malik, which is a Muslim
name. So at best you can say it defames Indians,
not only Hindus.

Incidentally, the condition of the dwellers in Dharavi
where this movie was shot is far better than of some
living in rural areas of India and subject to the same
feudal exploitation as in British times. Sad to say,
the movie is not far from the reality.

Although I do not intend to see this movie, hope
it sends a kick in the ass to the Indian Government,
who have been promising for the last 60 years
"good times just around the corner".


== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 1:16 am
From: Rich


usenet@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in
news:20090125PiV54n1Yrexs5R46N@05oko:

> Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> By Kanchan Gupta
> THE PIONEER
> http://dailypioneer.com
> Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
> and our deracinated media, which constantly looks for
> inspirational 'good news' stories that invariably revolve
> around Western appreciation of 'truthful' portrayal of
> the Indian 'reality', has gone into a tizzy. Saturday's
> edition of a newspaper published from New Delhi had a
> blurb on the front page that read, "The Slumdog story:
> How 'Danny uncle' and his 'moral compass' created the
> biggest 'Indian' blockbuster -- and why you should watch
> it." Predictably, the chattering classes,

Forget the populist movie. India's main problem is that its feral
culture of an entire population devoted to scavenging a living has to
change now that real economic advancement has finally arrived. In other
words, no one wants to watch someone who earns $75,000/yr dicker with
someone over the final cost of a $3.00 ice cream cone. Don't laugh,
I've seen this happen. It's middle-class living with a serf-class
mindset.


== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 7:26 am
From: Mudali


On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 1:41 pm, use...@mantra.com orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai
>
> Maharaj) wrote:
> > Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> > By Kanchan Gupta
> > THE PIONEERhttp://dailypioneer.com
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> > In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> > Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
>
> But Dr. Maharaj, the central character in the film
> carries the name Jamal Malik, which is a Muslim
> name. So at best you can say it defames Indians,
> not only Hindus.
>
> Incidentally, the condition of the dwellers in Dharavi
> where this movie was shot is far better than of some
> living in rural areas of India and subject to the same
> feudal exploitation as in British times. Sad to say,
> the movie is not far from the reality.
>
> Although I do not intend to see this movie, hope
> it sends a kick in the ass to the Indian Government,
> who have been promising for the last 60 years
> "good times just around the corner".

Yes! You are right. This is a message to Indian politicians who always
bring promises during the election time. After elections, they
completely vanish and forget their promises!

Indian poverty is always marketable in the Christian west. India did
not change much from the days of British Raj.


== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 9:26 am
From: "harmony"

"Mudali" <mudali@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:b0ca4700-f3b1-4394-b666-da0ae917c52c@t13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 1:41 pm, use...@mantra.com orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai
>
> Maharaj) wrote:
> > Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> > By Kanchan Gupta
> > THE PIONEERhttp://dailypioneer.com
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> > In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> > Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
>
> But Dr. Maharaj, the central character in the film
> carries the name Jamal Malik, which is a Muslim
> name. So at best you can say it defames Indians,
> not only Hindus.
>
> Incidentally, the condition of the dwellers in Dharavi
> where this movie was shot is far better than of some
> living in rural areas of India and subject to the same
> feudal exploitation as in British times. Sad to say,
> the movie is not far from the reality.
>
> Although I do not intend to see this movie, hope
> it sends a kick in the ass to the Indian Government,
> who have been promising for the last 60 years
> "good times just around the corner".

Yes! You are right. This is a message to Indian politicians who always
bring promises during the election time. After elections, they
completely vanish and forget their promises!
------------------------------------
that's the way i see it too. if anybody needs to feel embarrassed, it would
have to be indian politicians, specially the congressis. but that would be
hoping against the hope. it serves the intersts of the politicians just
right if the indian people were to fault the moviemakers for their
embarrassment. actually, the movie should serve the mis-embarrassed indians
to shake their politiicans.
---------------------------------
--------------------------------------

Indian poverty is always marketable in the Christian west.
-----------------------------------------------
yes. it helps the west feel good about itself, not realizing that they are
rich because in big part their forebears looted the 3rd world. it is amazing
that a small resourceless netherland can have a wealth that exceeds resource
rich indonesia's. and that is despite the fact that hitler had bombed
holland to a pulp.
-----------------------------------


India did
not change much from the days of British Raj.


== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 11:27 am
From: hari.kumar@indero.com


The real question is the reality of which the movie speaks which is in
the hands of all indians. It is time to stop excusing the failure of
all indians for the crushing proverty and exploitment and bigotry and
violation of basic human rights on the historical actions of others.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 12:58 pm
From: The Starmaker


Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> By Kanchan Gupta
> THE PIONEER
> http://dailypioneer.com
> Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
> and our deracinated media, which constantly looks for
> inspirational 'good news' stories that invariably revolve
> around Western appreciation of 'truthful' portrayal of
> the Indian 'reality', has gone into a tizzy. Saturday's
> edition of a newspaper published from New Delhi had a
> blurb on the front page that read, "The Slumdog story:
> How 'Danny uncle' and his 'moral compass' created the
> biggest 'Indian' blockbuster -- and why you should watch
> it." Predictably, the chattering classes, who had been
> blissfully ignorant of Vikas Swarup's Q and A (as they
> had been of Aravind Adiga's The White Tiger till its
> perverse denigration of India and all things Indian wowed
> the judges of last year's Man Booker prize) are now
> making a beeline for the nearest bookshop for a copy of
> the novel, whose title has been suitably changed to
> Slumdog Millionaire so that the book and the film are
> eponymous and both publisher and producer can encash the
> extraordinary hype that has been generated. Late last
> year, there was similar hoopla over AR Rahman getting the
> Golden Globe award for the music he has scored for
> Slumdog Millionaire. An approving pat on the back by the
> Hollywood Foreign Press Association, it would seem, is
> the most important marker in an artiste's career. Those
> Indian musicians who haven't got the Golden Globe are not
> worthy of honour at home just as Sahitya Akademi award
> winners are not worthy of finding space on our
> bookshelves, leave alone feature on news pages or news
> bulletins.
>
> The larger point is not really about going gaga over an
> American award or a British prize, but how they are seen
> as India being admitted into the charmed circle whose
> membership is strictly controlled and is by invitation
> only. That invitation invariably follows a certain
> pattern; it's not merely the keepers of the gate
> chanting, "Eeny meeny miny mo, catch a tiger by his toe,
> if he hollers let him go…" Apart from the fact that the
> 'tigers' in this case are not hollering but salivating at
> the prospect of seeing themselves clutching a handful of
> trophies on Oscar night, the nomination process is far
> more rigorous than we would think, with filters to keep
> out those films and books that do not serve the judges'
> purpose or pander to their fanciful notions -- in this
> case, of India. Aravind Adiga crafted his novel in a
> manner that it could not but impress the Man Booker
> judges who see India as a seething mass of unwashed
> hordes which worship pagan gods, are trapped in caste-
> based prejudices, indulge in abominable practices like
> untouchability, and are not worthy of being considered as
> an emerging power, never mind economic growth and
> knowledge excellence. Similarly, Danny Boyle has made a
> film that portrays every possible bias against India and
> structured it within the matrix of Western lib-left
> perceptions of the Indian 'reality' which have little or
> nothing in common with the real India in which we live.
>
> Therefore, it is not surprising that Boyle's film is
> about a slum where extreme social exclusion, political
> suppression and economic deprivation define the lives of
> its inhabitants. He has made every effort to shock and
> awe the film's audience by taking recourse to graphic and
> gory portrayal of bloodthirsty Hindu mobs on the rampage
> -- the idiom that defines India as it is imagined by the
> lib-left Western mind -- laying to waste Muslim lives (a
> Hindu is shown slitting a Muslim woman's throat in an
> almost frame-by-frame remake of the videotape that was
> released by the killers of Daniel Pearl) and property.
> There's more that makes you want to throw up the last
> meal you had: Hindu policemen torturing Muslims by giving
> them 'electric shock therapy', street children being
> physically disfigured and then forced to beg, and such
> other scenes of a medieval society where rule of law does
> not exist and every Hindu is a rapacious monster eager to
> make a feast of helpless Muslims.
>
> Nor is it surprising that Boyle should have cunningly
> changed the name of the film's -- as also the book's --
> protagonist from Vikas Swarup's Ram Mohammad Thomas (a
> sort of tribute to the Amar Akbar Antony brand of
> 'secularism' which was fashionable in the 1970s) to Jamal
> Malik. The name implies a Kashmiri connection, and we
> can't put it beyond Boyle suggesting a link between
> Jamal's travails -- it is his mother whose throat is shown
> as being slit by a Hindu -- and the imagined victimhood of
> Kashmir's Muslims who, the lib-left intelligentsia in the
> West insists, are 'persecuted by Hindu India'. Asked
> about the protagonist's name being changed, Swarup is
> believed to have said that it was done to "make it sound
> more politically correct". There is a second hidden
> message: The Hindu quizmaster on the 'Who Wants to be a
> Millionaire?' show has doubts about Jamal, who gets all
> the questions right, not because he is a 'slumdog' but
> because he is a Muslim; so he sets India's Hindu police
> on the hapless boy. Swarup did not quite put it that way
> in his book, but the film does so, and understandably the
> critics in Hollywood who sport Obama buttons are
> impressed.
>
> The last time depravity was portrayed as the Indian
> 'reality' was when Roland Joffé did a cinematic version
> of Dominique Lapierre's City of Joy. In that film, the
> Missionaries of Charity were shown as the saviours of an
> India trapped in filth, squalor, poverty and Hindu
> superstition. Some two decades later, Boyle has
> rediscovered Joffé's India and made appropriate changes
> to fit his film into the Hindu-bad-Muslim-good mould so
> that it has a resonance in today's America where it is
> now fashionable to look at the world through the eyes of
> Barack Hussein Obama.
>
> In her review of the film, "Shocked by Slumdog's poverty
> porn", Alice Miles writes in The Times: "Like the
> bestselling novel by the Americanised Afghan Khaled
> Hosseini, A Thousand Splendid Suns, Slumdog Millionaire
> is not a million miles away from a form of pornographic
> voyeurism. Slumdog Millionaire is poverty porn."
> Commenting on the BBFC's decision to "place this work in
> the comedy genre", she says, "Comedy? So maybe that's it:
> I just didn't get the joke." It's doubtful whether most
> Indians, Hindus and Muslims, would get it either if they
> were to watch Slumdog Millionaire.
>
> More at:
> http://dailypioneer.com/152164/Slumdog-is-about-defaming-Hindus.html
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org
>
> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
> o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of
> this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent
> the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
> and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
> o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
> considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
> current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
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> are not necessarily those of the poster.

All you Indians from india are Slumdogs!

How is it possible you have so many babies and they all look-alike?

And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??

I going to put a polka-dot on my forehead right now!!


== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:10 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


In article <497E23FB.4B09@ix.netcom.com>,
starmaker@ix.netcom.com posted:
>
> All you Indians from india are Slumdogs!

See how people generalize things after watching one movie!

> How is it possible you have so many babies and they all look-alike?

Have your eyes examined soon.

> And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??

It's gold, baby.

> I going to put a polka-dot on my forehead right now!!

That's the strangest suicide note I've ever read. How are
you going to make that dot -- with a 38 or a 357?

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >
> > Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
> >
> > By Kanchan Gupta
> > THE PIONEER
> > http://dailypioneer.com
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
> >
> > In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> > Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
> > and our deracinated media, which constantly looks for
> > inspirational 'good news' stories that invariably revolve
> > around Western appreciation of 'truthful' portrayal of
> > the Indian 'reality', has gone into a tizzy. Saturday's
> > edition of a newspaper published from New Delhi had a
> > blurb on the front page that read, "The Slumdog story:
> > How 'Danny uncle' and his 'moral compass' created the
> > biggest 'Indian' blockbuster -- and why you should watch
> > it." Predictably, the chattering classes, who had been
> > blissfully ignorant of Vikas Swarup's Q and A (as they
> > had been of Aravind Adiga's The White Tiger till its
> > perverse denigration of India and all things Indian wowed
> > the judges of last year's Man Booker prize) are now
> > making a beeline for the nearest bookshop for a copy of
> > the novel, whose title has been suitably changed to
> > Slumdog Millionaire so that the book and the film are
> > eponymous and both publisher and producer can encash the
> > extraordinary hype that has been generated. Late last
> > year, there was similar hoopla over AR Rahman getting the
> > Golden Globe award for the music he has scored for
> > Slumdog Millionaire. An approving pat on the back by the
> > Hollywood Foreign Press Association, it would seem, is
> > the most important marker in an artiste's career. Those
> > Indian musicians who haven't got the Golden Globe are not
> > worthy of honour at home just as Sahitya Akademi award
> > winners are not worthy of finding space on our
> > bookshelves, leave alone feature on news pages or news
> > bulletins.
> >
> > The larger point is not really about going gaga over an
> > American award or a British prize, but how they are seen
> > as India being admitted into the charmed circle whose
> > membership is strictly controlled and is by invitation
> > only. That invitation invariably follows a certain
> > pattern; it's not merely the keepers of the gate
> > chanting, "Eeny meeny miny mo, catch a tiger by his toe,
> > if he hollers let him go…" Apart from the fact that the
> > 'tigers' in this case are not hollering but salivating at
> > the prospect of seeing themselves clutching a handful of
> > trophies on Oscar night, the nomination process is far
> > more rigorous than we would think, with filters to keep
> > out those films and books that do not serve the judges'
> > purpose or pander to their fanciful notions -- in this
> > case, of India. Aravind Adiga crafted his novel in a
> > manner that it could not but impress the Man Booker
> > judges who see India as a seething mass of unwashed
> > hordes which worship pagan gods, are trapped in caste-
> > based prejudices, indulge in abominable practices like
> > untouchability, and are not worthy of being considered as
> > an emerging power, never mind economic growth and
> > knowledge excellence. Similarly, Danny Boyle has made a
> > film that portrays every possible bias against India and
> > structured it within the matrix of Western lib-left
> > perceptions of the Indian 'reality' which have little or
> > nothing in common with the real India in which we live.
> >
> > Therefore, it is not surprising that Boyle's film is
> > about a slum where extreme social exclusion, political
> > suppression and economic deprivation define the lives of
> > its inhabitants. He has made every effort to shock and
> > awe the film's audience by taking recourse to graphic and
> > gory portrayal of bloodthirsty Hindu mobs on the rampage
> > -- the idiom that defines India as it is imagined by the
> > lib-left Western mind -- laying to waste Muslim lives (a
> > Hindu is shown slitting a Muslim woman's throat in an
> > almost frame-by-frame remake of the videotape that was
> > released by the killers of Daniel Pearl) and property.
> > There's more that makes you want to throw up the last
> > meal you had: Hindu policemen torturing Muslims by giving
> > them 'electric shock therapy', street children being
> > physically disfigured and then forced to beg, and such
> > other scenes of a medieval society where rule of law does
> > not exist and every Hindu is a rapacious monster eager to
> > make a feast of helpless Muslims.
> >
> > Nor is it surprising that Boyle should have cunningly
> > changed the name of the film's -- as also the book's --
> > protagonist from Vikas Swarup's Ram Mohammad Thomas (a
> > sort of tribute to the Amar Akbar Antony brand of
> > 'secularism' which was fashionable in the 1970s) to Jamal
> > Malik. The name implies a Kashmiri connection, and we
> > can't put it beyond Boyle suggesting a link between
> > Jamal's travails -- it is his mother whose throat is shown
> > as being slit by a Hindu -- and the imagined victimhood of
> > Kashmir's Muslims who, the lib-left intelligentsia in the
> > West insists, are 'persecuted by Hindu India'. Asked
> > about the protagonist's name being changed, Swarup is
> > believed to have said that it was done to "make it sound
> > more politically correct". There is a second hidden
> > message: The Hindu quizmaster on the 'Who Wants to be a
> > Millionaire?' show has doubts about Jamal, who gets all
> > the questions right, not because he is a 'slumdog' but
> > because he is a Muslim; so he sets India's Hindu police
> > on the hapless boy. Swarup did not quite put it that way
> > in his book, but the film does so, and understandably the
> > critics in Hollywood who sport Obama buttons are
> > impressed.
> >
> > The last time depravity was portrayed as the Indian
> > 'reality' was when Roland Joffé did a cinematic version
> > of Dominique Lapierre's City of Joy. In that film, the
> > Missionaries of Charity were shown as the saviours of an
> > India trapped in filth, squalor, poverty and Hindu
> > superstition. Some two decades later, Boyle has
> > rediscovered Joffé's India and made appropriate changes
> > to fit his film into the Hindu-bad-Muslim-good mould so
> > that it has a resonance in today's America where it is
> > now fashionable to look at the world through the eyes of
> > Barack Hussein Obama.
> >
> > In her review of the film, "Shocked by Slumdog's poverty
> > porn", Alice Miles writes in The Times: "Like the
> > bestselling novel by the Americanised Afghan Khaled
> > Hosseini, A Thousand Splendid Suns, Slumdog Millionaire
> > is not a million miles away from a form of pornographic
> > voyeurism. Slumdog Millionaire is poverty porn."
> > Commenting on the BBFC's decision to "place this work in
> > the comedy genre", she says, "Comedy? So maybe that's it:
> > I just didn't get the joke." It's doubtful whether most
> > Indians, Hindus and Muslims, would get it either if they
> > were to watch Slumdog Millionaire.
> >
> > More at:
> > http://dailypioneer.com/152164/Slumdog-is-about-defaming-Hindus.html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org
> >
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >
> > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> > educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of
> > this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent
> > the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
> > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
> > o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
> > considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
> > current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
> > o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others
> > are not necessarily those of the poster.
>


== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:23 pm
From: hari.kumar@indero.com


> And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??

"It's gold, baby."

This recent exchange of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. is the last in a
long line to create a false image.

He is not indian, he is 100 percent american and of a european heritage.

He speaks no language of india but english and refuses to accept a call
from a real indian to protect his false image.

He adopted the "dr." and indian sounding name to attract traffic to his
astrology business.

He is a white bigot.


== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:53 pm
From: "harmony"

<hari.kumar@indero.com> wrote in message
news:497e45de$0$31909$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu...
>> And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??
>
> "It's gold, baby."
>
> This recent exchange of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. is the last in a
> long line to create a false image.
>
> He is not indian, he is 100 percent american and of a european heritage.
>
> He speaks no language of india but english and refuses to accept a call
> from a real indian to protect his false image.
>
> He adopted the "dr." and indian sounding name to attract traffic to his
> astrology business.
>
> He is a white bigot.

a strange thing to say for a brown kirastanista, no?


== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:38 pm
From: Mudali


On Jan 26, 3:58 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>
> > Slumdog is about defaming Hindus
>
> > By Kanchan Gupta
> > THE PIONEER
> >http://dailypioneer.com
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
>
> > In keeping with American politics of the times, Slumdog
> > Millionaire has been nominated for as many as 10 Oscars
> > and our deracinated media, which constantly looks for
> > inspirational 'good news' stories that invariably revolve
> > around Western appreciation of 'truthful' portrayal of
> > the Indian 'reality', has gone into a tizzy. Saturday's
> > edition of a newspaper published from New Delhi had a
> > blurb on the front page that read, "The Slumdog story:
> > How 'Danny uncle' and his 'moral compass' created the
> > biggest 'Indian' blockbuster -- and why you should watch
> > it." Predictably, the chattering classes, who had been
> > blissfully ignorant of Vikas Swarup's Q and A (as they
> > had been of Aravind Adiga's The White Tiger till its
> > perverse denigration of India and all things Indian wowed
> > the judges of last year's Man Booker prize) are now
> > making a beeline for the nearest bookshop for a copy of
> > the novel, whose title has been suitably changed to
> > Slumdog Millionaire so that the book and the film are
> > eponymous and both publisher and producer can encash the
> > extraordinary hype that has been generated. Late last
> > year, there was similar hoopla over AR Rahman getting the
> > Golden Globe award for the music he has scored for
> > Slumdog Millionaire. An approving pat on the back by the
> > Hollywood Foreign Press Association, it would seem, is
> > the most important marker in an artiste's career. Those
> > Indian musicians who haven't got the Golden Globe are not
> > worthy of honour at home just as Sahitya Akademi award
> > winners are not worthy of finding space on our
> > bookshelves, leave alone feature on news pages or news
> > bulletins.
>
> > The larger point is not really about going gaga over an
> > American award or a British prize, but how they are seen
> > as India being admitted into the charmed circle whose
> > membership is strictly controlled and is by invitation
> > only. That invitation invariably follows a certain
> > pattern; it's not merely the keepers of the gate
> > chanting, "Eeny meeny miny mo, catch a tiger by his toe,
> > if he hollers let him go…" Apart from the fact that the
> > 'tigers' in this case are not hollering but salivating at
> > the prospect of seeing themselves clutching a handful of
> > trophies on Oscar night, the nomination process is far
> > more rigorous than we would think, with filters to keep
> > out those films and books that do not serve the judges'
> > purpose or pander to their fanciful notions -- in this
> > case, of India. Aravind Adiga crafted his novel in a
> > manner that it could not but impress the Man Booker
> > judges who see India as a seething mass of unwashed
> > hordes which worship pagan gods, are trapped in caste-
> > based prejudices, indulge in abominable practices like
> > untouchability, and are not worthy of being considered as
> > an emerging power, never mind economic growth and
> > knowledge excellence. Similarly, Danny Boyle has made a
> > film that portrays every possible bias against India and
> > structured it within the matrix of Western lib-left
> > perceptions of the Indian 'reality' which have little or
> > nothing in common with the real India in which we live.
>
> > Therefore, it is not surprising that Boyle's film is
> > about a slum where extreme social exclusion, political
> > suppression and economic deprivation define the lives of
> > its inhabitants. He has made every effort to shock and
> > awe the film's audience by taking recourse to graphic and
> > gory portrayal of bloodthirsty Hindu mobs on the rampage
> > -- the idiom that defines India as it is imagined by the
> > lib-left Western mind -- laying to waste Muslim lives (a
> > Hindu is shown slitting a Muslim woman's throat in an
> > almost frame-by-frame remake of the videotape that was
> > released by the killers of Daniel Pearl) and property.
> > There's more that makes you want to throw up the last
> > meal you had: Hindu policemen torturing Muslims by giving
> > them 'electric shock therapy', street children being
> > physically disfigured and then forced to beg, and such
> > other scenes of a medieval society where rule of law does
> > not exist and every Hindu is a rapacious monster eager to
> > make a feast of helpless Muslims.
>
> > Nor is it surprising that Boyle should have cunningly
> > changed the name of the film's -- as also the book's --
> > protagonist from Vikas Swarup's Ram Mohammad Thomas (a
> > sort of tribute to the Amar Akbar Antony brand of
> > 'secularism' which was fashionable in the 1970s) to Jamal
> > Malik. The name implies a Kashmiri connection, and we
> > can't put it beyond Boyle suggesting a link between
> > Jamal's travails -- it is his mother whose throat is shown
> > as being slit by a Hindu -- and the imagined victimhood of
> > Kashmir's Muslims who, the lib-left intelligentsia in the
> > West insists, are 'persecuted by Hindu India'. Asked
> > about the protagonist's name being changed, Swarup is
> > believed to have said that it was done to "make it sound
> > more politically correct". There is a second hidden
> > message: The Hindu quizmaster on the 'Who Wants to be a
> > Millionaire?' show has doubts about Jamal, who gets all
> > the questions right, not because he is a 'slumdog' but
> > because he is a Muslim; so he sets India's Hindu police
> > on the hapless boy. Swarup did not quite put it that way
> > in his book, but the film does so, and understandably the
> > critics in Hollywood who sport Obama buttons are
> > impressed.
>
> > The last time depravity was portrayed as the Indian
> > 'reality' was when Roland Joffé did a cinematic version
> > of Dominique Lapierre's City of Joy. In that film, the
> > Missionaries of Charity were shown as the saviours of an
> > India trapped in filth, squalor, poverty and Hindu
> > superstition. Some two decades later, Boyle has
> > rediscovered Joffé's India and made appropriate changes
> > to fit his film into the Hindu-bad-Muslim-good mould so
> > that it has a resonance in today's America where it is
> > now fashionable to look at the world through the eyes of
> > Barack Hussein Obama.
>
> > In her review of the film, "Shocked by Slumdog's poverty
> > porn", Alice Miles writes in The Times: "Like the
> > bestselling novel by the Americanised Afghan Khaled
> > Hosseini, A Thousand Splendid Suns, Slumdog Millionaire
> > is not a million miles away from a form of pornographic
> > voyeurism. Slumdog Millionaire is poverty porn."
> > Commenting on the BBFC's decision to "place this work in
> > the comedy genre", she says, "Comedy? So maybe that's it:
> > I just didn't get the joke." It's doubtful whether most
> > Indians, Hindus and Muslims, would get it either if they
> > were to watch Slumdog Millionaire.
>
> > More at:
> >http://dailypioneer.com/152164/Slumdog-is-about-defaming-Hindus.html
>
> > Jai Maharaj
> >http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> >http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
>
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> >http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> >http://www.hindu.org
> >http://www.hindunet.org
>
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> >http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
> >      o  Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> > educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of
> > this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent
> > the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
> > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
> >      o  If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
> > considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
> > current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
> >      o  Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others
> > are not necessarily those of the poster.
>
> All you Indians from india are Slumdogs!
>
> How is it possible you have so many babies and they all look-alike?
>
> And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??
>
> I going to put a polka-dot on my forehead right now!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You asshole better tell your nationality or ethnic origin. I will tell
you are a slumdog or a nazi or a roach!


== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:56 pm
From: hari.kumar@indero.com


> And what color is that skin you India's have? Golden chocalate??

"It's gold, baby."

This recent exchange of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. is the last in a
long line to create a false image.

He is not indian, he is 100 percent american and of a european
heritage.

He speaks no language of india but english and refuses to accept a call
from a real indian to protect his false image.

He adopted the "dr." and indian sounding name to attract traffic to his
astrology business.

He is a white bigot.

" strange thing to say for a brown kirastanista, no?"

That he is a white bigot or that he is a brown christian?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 1:32 am
From: malar


<<Exciting Entertainment for youth>>
http://fundhoax.blogspot.com/

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 1:12 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


I remember when the wole country went into a trance
when Lata ji sang this:

http://mere--words.blogspot.com/

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 1:45 pm
From: "harmony"


the song talks about shahid.
what happened to veer gatee?

<usenet@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in message
news:20090126t3GG2fAWnaIquwOU34i6WT0@Gv9h...
>I remember when the wole country went into a trance
> when Lata ji sang this:
>
> http://mere--words.blogspot.com/
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 1:59 pm
From: analyst41@hotmail.com


On Jan 26, 4:12 pm, use...@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
Maharaj) wrote:
> I remember when the wole country went into a trance
> when Lata ji sang this:
>
> http://mere--words.blogspot.com/
>
> Jai Maharajhttp://tinyurl.com/a5ljchttp://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

The fucking song had an ethnic insult to designate Tamils - "Madrasi".

BIMARUstan - hopefully there won't be too many Republic Days in the
future for this sick entity.


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 2:16 pm
From: Carol Kaye


Jay Stevens aka "Dr". Jai Maharaj wrote:

> I remember when the wole country went into a trance
> when Lata ji sang this:

Sang what?

What "wole country" are you talking about, Jay?

And who the fuck is "Lata ji"?
Lata Mangeshkar ?

Looks like just another untalented frog throated dot head that couldn't
carry a tune in a rickshaw to me.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 2:29 pm
From: "harmony"

<analyst41@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f8d96e3-952c-448f-ba48-43cc16893339@r22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 4:12 pm, use...@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
Maharaj) wrote:
> I remember when the wole country went into a trance
> when Lata ji sang this:
>
> http://mere--words.blogspot.com/
>
> Jai Maharajhttp://tinyurl.com/a5ljchttp://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

The fucking song had an ethnic insult to designate Tamils - "Madrasi".

BIMARUstan - hopefully there won't be too many Republic Days in the
future for this sick entity.

--------------------------
it is amazing the kirastani converts should take umbrage on this.
madrasis are those who live in the madras province of colonial time - a time
which the converts love very much any way, having sided with the brits
against the hindu freedom fighters.


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 2:46 pm
From: tamil.gandu@gmail.com


analyst41 is not a christian. he is a tamil non brahmin with
deep sympathies to Srilankan tamil struggle. Now that LTTE
terrorists are close to being shipped on a 1 way ticket to
hell, this guy has lost his marbles and is blaming everyone
except the useless LTTE.

In article <497e3967$0$5454$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>, harmony says...
>
>
><analyst41@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3f8d96e3-952c-448f-ba48-43cc16893339@r22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 26, 4:12 pm, use...@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai
>Maharaj) wrote:
>> I remember when the wole country went into a trance
>> when Lata ji sang this:
>>
>> http://mere--words.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Jai Maharajhttp://tinyurl.com/a5ljchttp://www.mantra.com/jai
>> Om Shanti
>
>The fucking song had an ethnic insult to designate Tamils - "Madrasi".
>
>BIMARUstan - hopefully there won't be too many Republic Days in the
>future for this sick entity.
>
>--------------------------
>it is amazing the kirastani converts should take umbrage on this.
>madrasis are those who live in the madras province of colonial time - a time
>which the converts love very much any way, having sided with the brits
>against the hindu freedom fighters.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:29 pm
From: hari.kumar@indero.com


"I remember when the wole country went into a trance
when Lata ji sang this:"

Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. remembers it only from his home in america,
where he is a lifelong resident of european heritage. That is if he
knows of it outside what he reads on the internet about it.

He is not an indian, only an adult convert to hinduism.

He speaks no language of india but english and refuses a call from a
real indian least his false claims be discovered.

His "dr." and indian sounding name were adopted to attract attention to
his astrology business.

He is a white bigot.


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:16 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)


Well, you know how it is in Mollywood: films and songs
(are passed off as Hindi songs even though they) contain
non-Hindi words. But the song was as captivating for me
then as it is now because several extended family members
and friends of mine have fallen in battle as a result of
invasions by both China and Pakistan.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti


In article <497e2eed$0$5472$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> the song talks about shahid.
> what happened to veer gatee?

> http://www.mantra.com/jyotish (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> >I remember when the wole country went into a trance
> > when Lata ji sang this:
> >
> > http://mere--words.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> > Om Shanti
>
>


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:52 pm
From: hari.kumar@indero.com


What a great laugh this is below. Jay stevens,aka dr. jai responds to
having been exposed. So what is his response, to once again
pretend to be
indian when he is 100 prcent american with a european heritage. He is
an adult convert to hinduism. He speaks no indian language but english
and refuses to take a call from a real indian knowing his lie would be
instantly known. His "dr." and indian sounding name were invented to
attract people to his astrology business.

He has left many foot prints on the internet in the many years he has
beenposting and can not keep his lies straight and avoid them revealing
his false invented image. Most real indians know he is a fraud because
it is easy to see his lies and contridictions. Read how he slips into
the discussion the below to make it seem he is indian. what it really is
an attempt to show why he did not know the lyrics of the song contained
meaning he was ignorant of and now presents an excuse.

"Well, you know how it is in Mollywood: films and songs (are passed off
as Hindi songs even though they) contain non-Hindi words. But the song
was as captivating for me then as it is now because several extended
family members and friends of mine have fallen in battle as a result of
invasions by both China and Pakistan."


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