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habshi@anony.net: Oct 20 06:48PM

This is contrary to sharia law where a Hindu girl is forced to
convert.
Saif Ali Khan: Intermarriage Is Not Jihad, It Is India
 
Written by | October 16, 2014 10:24 am
 
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/intermarriage-is-not-jihad-it-is-india/
 

 
I am the son of a sportsman, I grew up in England, Bhopal, Pataudi,
Delhi and Mumbai, and I am more Indian than any Hindu or Muslim I know
because I am both. I wrote this piece not to comment on the masses or
the problems of communalism in India and its villages, but because
this is an issue that concerns my friends and their families.
 
It wasn't peacefully accepted by anyone, initially, when my parents
wanted to marry. The royals had their issues; the Brahmins theirs.
And, of course, extremists on both religious sides issued death
threats. But the marriage still happened — the fact that my
grandmother also had to fight to marry the not-as-wealthy and
therefore not-so-suitable nawab of Pataudimight have helped things
along. We grew up on real-life romantic stories about our elders
marrying for love and not worrying too much about tradition. And we
were brought up to believe that god is one, with many names.
 
 
 
Source: C Y Sasikumar
 
When Kareena and I married, there were similar death threats, with
people on the Net saying ridiculous things about "love jihad". We
follow whatever religion or spiritual practice we believe in. We talk
about them and respect each other's views. I hope our children will do
the same.
 
I have prayed in church and attended mass withKareena, while she has
bowed her head atdargahs and prayed in mosques. When we purified our
new home, we had a havan and a Quran reading and a priest sprinkling
holy water — no chances taken!
 
What is religion? What is faith? Does a perfect definition exist? I
don't know. But I know doubt. I'm intrigued by the politics of doubt.
Doubt gives us faith. Doubt keeps us questioning what keeps us alive.
If we become sure of something, then there is a danger of becoming
fanatical.
 
Religion needs to be separated from a lot of things. Our religions are
based on fear. The Old Testament spoke of a Promised Land for a
people, but there were people already living there. The problem is
still burning today. There have been too many atrocities committed in
the name of god.
 
I know good people are scared of marrying their daughters to Muslims.
They fear conversion, quick divorces, multiple marriages — basically,
it suits the boys a bit more than the girls. All this is undoubtedly
outdated. A lot of Islam needs tomodernise and renew itself in order
to be relevant. We also need a loud moderate voice to separate the
good from the evil. Islam today is more unpopular than it has ever
been. This is a great shame to me, as I have always thought of Islam
as the moon, the desert, calligraphy and flying carpets, the thousand
and one nights. I have always thought about it as a religion of peace
and submission. As I grew older, I saw religion twisted and used so
badly by men that I distanced myself from all man-made religion. I
choose to be as spiritual as I can be.
 
Anyway, I digress. The good news is that no one needs to convert from
their religion to get married. The Special Marriage Act, when
applicable, is the paramount law of the land. If you marry under this,
it is upheld over any religious law. It is truly secular.
 
The fabric of India is woven from many threads — English, Muslim,
Hindu and many others. A major concern in today's India is that we
keep deleting our past. To say Muslims don't have a role in India is
denying their importance and contribution. It is like saying women
don't have a part to play in India. Why do we need to deny Islam? It's
what we are. We come with our mix. To deny this is to cheat us of our
inheritance. I don't know what "love jihad" is. It is a complication
created in India. I know intermarriages because I am a child of one
and my children are born out of it. Intermarriage is not jihad.
Intermarriage is India. India is a mix.Ambedkar said the only way to
annihilate caste is intermarriage. It is only through intermarriage
that the real Indians of tomorrow can be truly equipped to take our
nation forward with the right perspective. I am the product of such a
mixed marriage and my life has been full of Eidand Holi and Diwali. We
were taught to doadaab and namaste with equal reverence.
 
It is sad that too much importance is given to religion, and not
enough to humanity and love. My children were born Muslim but they
live like Hindus (with a pooja ghar at home), and if they wanted to be
Buddhist, they would have my blessing. That's how we were brought up.
 
We are a blend, this great country of ours. It is our differences that
make us who we are. We need to get beyond mere tolerance. We need to
accept and respect and love each other.
 
We are most certainly not a secular country. The intention was to
become one and our Constitution has provided every framework to make
that possible. But, more than six decades on, we have still not
separated religion from the law. To make matters worse, different laws
apply to different people, making it impossible for us to think as
one. There are different laws for Hindus and different laws for
Muslims. This is bound to create trouble.
 
I think we should have one law for all Indians, a uniform civil code,
and we should all think of ourselves as one nation. All our religions
must come later and be by the way. Teach our children about god and
his thousand names, but first we must teach them respect and love of
their fellow man. That is more important.
 
I stopped believing in the Tooth Fairy first, then Santa Claus, and
finally, I really don't know what I feel about a personal god. But I
believe in love and in trying to be good and helping the world. I
don't always succeed and then I feel bad. My conscience is my god, I
think, and it tells me that that one tree in Pataudi near which my
father is buried is closer to god than any temple, church or mosque.
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Friday, October 17, 2014

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habshi@anony.net: Oct 17 07:33PM

Mad Jyotish wont tell you its made one of the highest collections Rs
300 crores $45m and still counting.
A must see film
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alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj): Oct 15 10:26PM

Movie Review: 'Bang Bang'
By Shubha Shetty-Saha
 
October 3, 2014
 
This is a remake of Hollywood film, 'Knight and Day', and
for some reason, we choose to make a dumber version of
the not-so-great-to-begin-with original film. . . .
 
Continues at:
 
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/movie-review-bang-bang/15653155
 
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
 
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habshi@anony.net: Oct 15 09:46PM

Worlwide collections have passed an amazing Rs 300 crores , $45m
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habshi@anony.net: Oct 12 05:04PM

What a great pleasure listening to it , great Indian
instruments, in contrast to the heavy drum beats nowadays
 
http://youtu.be/XPMd5IlNTRM
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habshi@anony.net: Oct 09 09:35PM

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-29502393
 
Haider: Why is 'Indian Hamlet' controversial?
Haider's story is set in Kashmir
Bollywood director Vishal Bhardwaj's Indian adaptation of Hamlet has
been hailed as "one of the most important movies of the year".
 
The director is known for his admiration of William Shakespeare's
works. He based his 2003 hit Maqbool on Macbeth and returned with
Omkara in 2006 as his adaptation of Othello.
 
But his third film, Haider, based on the English writer's work is
getting wider media attention due to its controversial backdrop.
 
The movie is set in Indian-administered Kashmir. In Bhardwaj's film,
Shahid Kapoor is Hamlet, Shraddha Kapoor is Ophelia, Tabu plays
Gertrude and Kay Kay Menon is Claudius.
 
The movie has successfully adapted the play's well-known twists and
turns in the backdrop of the armed insurgency in the Kashmir of the
1990s.
 
Haider is a poet who returns to Kashmir at the height of the
insurgency to find that his father has disappeared and his mother is
in a new relationship with his uncle.
 
The film revolves around Shahid's character who embarks on a dangerous
journey to find his father and ends up getting dragged into the
politics of the state.
 
Critics say Bhardwaj has succeeded in bringing out the raw emotions of
Hamlet in the film, while keeping his focus firmly on Kashmir.
 
The region witnessed its worst armed struggle throughout the 1990s as
separatist groups violently clashed with security forces, demanding
freedom from "Indian rule".
 
Kashmir, claimed by both India and Pakistan, has been a flashpoint for
more than 60 years and the South Asian rivals have fought two wars and
a limited conflict over the region.
 
And India has often accused Pakistan of interfering in its internal
affairs and supporting armed groups.
 
Critics have praised Shahid Kapoor for his performance in Haider
But Bhardwaj's film largely stays away from the rivalry of the
neighbours, focusing instead on the alleged human rights abuses in the
state.
 
Activists often accuse security forces of torturing and kidnapping
local youths in illegal detention camps - an allegation the army has
always denied.
 
Jason Burke writes in the Guardian that "Haider includes graphic
scenes of torture in Indian army camps and other human rights abuses
by Indian officials".
 
This bold portrayal has received praise from film critics and
Bhardwaj's fans.
 
Most analysts feel that earlier films based on Kashmir largely failed
to highlight the real issues and Haider tries to fill that gap.
 
The Hindu says "it takes some amount of guts, ambition and skill to
ride two wild horses - at the same time".
 
Bhardwaj "churns out the best of his Shakespeare trilogy, an
adaptation of Hamlet… which is also an unflinching look at the recent
political history of Kashmir".
 
The paper says that "there is no denying that mass graves of
disappeared people were indeed found".
 
Shahid Kapoor and Shraddha Kapoor (right) play leading roles in the
film
An article in the First Post says "portraying the uncomfortable
political reality of Kashmir" is a great challenge and "more so when
the issue lies at the heart of tension between the people of Kashmir
and India".
 
Kashmir continues to be one of the most controversial political topics
in modern India and evokes strong emotions.
 
Bhardwaj is also facing some backlash over what many describe as his
"unfair" portrayal of the armed forces.
 
But he has defended the plot of his film.
 
"I'm also an Indian, I'm also a patriot, I also love my nation. So I
won't do anything which is anti-national. But what is anti-human, I
will definitely comment on it," he said.
 
Vishal Bhardwaj has defended the plot of his film
Indian Twitter users are divided over the film and the sentiment has
been reflected in two rival hashtags.
 
The hashtag #BoycottHaider has received more than 75,000 tweets since
Friday.
 
 
But others see Haider as a true expression of real cinema in India.
The hashtag #HaiderTrueCinema has attracted more than 45,000 tweets
since Friday.
 
 
Despite the controversy over the film's plot, some analysts say it
shows that India is becoming more open to sensitive subjects.
 
"As democratic traditions strengthen in the country, more and more
such movies will be made and people will be educated. Haider is the
first step in that direction," says Dr Zakir Hussain, senior analyst
at the Indian Council of World Affairs.
habshi@anony.net: Oct 09 09:33PM

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/2678307/Hrithik-Roshan-Katrina-Kaif-starrer-Bang-Bang-to-release-in-Iraq-and-Lebanon
 
Hrithik Roshan-Katrina Kaif starrer Bang Bang to release in Iraq and
Lebanon
After an initial release in 45 countries, Hrithik Roshan and Katrina
Kaif's latest movie Bang Bang, is heading to Lebanon and Iraq as well.
The film will be shown at theatres in the two countries - neither of
which is traditionally considered as a market for Hindi films - from
the coming weekend. The film has been doing well in traditional
markets in the Middle East. Seeing the buzz, distributors in Lebanon
and Iraq have asked for the film to be screened in their countries
too. Earlier, only My Name Is Khan (2010) has officially released in
both countries, while Boss (2013) released in Iraq.
 
The film has smashed all records held so far in international markets
as it emerged as the highest opening film of 2014. It is the biggest
opener this year across all key markets like Middle East, UK, US,
Australia, Pakistan among others. Bang Bang marks Hrithik Roshan's
highest opening weekend in India and overseas as he beat Krrish 3,
Agneepath and Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara collections.
 
Produced by Fox Star Studios, Bang Bang that is directed by Siddharth
Anand and stars Hrithik Roshan and Katrina Kaif collected Rs. 8.23
crores on Wednesday, taking the total India tally to Rs. 127.44 crores
nett (Rs. 182 crores gross).
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alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj): Oct 08 10:52PM

Shakespearean Revenge in a Violent Kashmir
 
'Haider' Puts an Indian Twist on 'Hamlet' NYT Critics' Pick
 
By Rachel Saltz
NYTimes.com
October 2, 2014
 
[Caption] Tabu, as the Gertrude character in this
adaptation of "Hamlet" set in 1995.
Credit UTV Motion Pictures
 
Instead of "Haider," the director Vishal Bhardwaj might
have considered calling his fast-and-loose adaptation of
"Hamlet" "Ghazala," after its Gertrude character.
 
As played by the sad-eyed Tabu, Ghazala has such depths
and mystery that she hijacks the movie, pushing Haider
(Hamlet) to the sidelines in his own story. It's her
interior drama that draws you in: Where does her loyalty
lie? What is she thinking? Will she take up arms against
a sea of troubles and, by opposing, change the tale? (She
certainly threatens to once or twice.)
 
By comparison Haider (Shahid Kapoor) is a simple fellow.
In an un-Hamletlike way, he knows what he wants - to
avenge his father - and cannily goes after it.
 
[...]
 
"Haider," which grafts its source story less convincingly
to its setting, doesn't flow as organically. . . .
 
Continues at:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/movies/haider-puts-an-indian-twist-on-hamlet.html?_r=0
 
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
 
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habshi@anony.net: Oct 08 09:01PM

Just look at this clip from the movie , when Macbeth accuses
his uncle , the choreography , lyrics. Bollywood at its best.
Any militant thinking of infiltrating Kashmir will surely get
deterred by seeing this treatment meted out to them in Indian army
prisons !
Set in Indian Kashmir , the photography is great , could have
done with a couple of Kashmiri wedding dances. The songs are subtitled
too.
 
 
 
excerpt
 
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0o2MKB2DrU
 
..
 
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-haider-is-not-the-only-story-of-kashmir-2024038
 
Haider is not the only story of Kashmir
 

'That it should come to this' (Hamlet - Act 1, Scene II)
 
The following excerpts are from former Jammu and Kashmir governor
Jagmohan's book My frozen turbulence in Kashmir.
 
'In 1995, 2768 persons were killed. The Security forces were attacked
2570 times, that is, on an average about seven times a day. The number
of security personnel killed increased from 198 in 1994 to 234 in
1995. 211 more civilians were killed in 1995 than in 1994.'
 
'January 26- Two Bombs exploded near the saluting base and one at the
entrance of the Stadium. Eight persons, including a 'black cat
commando', two Army Jawans , two police constables and two officials
of the State Information Department, were killed. 54 others injured.
The Governor himself had a providential escape.'
 
'February 6 - An Army vehicle carrying Army Jawans from Jammu
Cantonment was blown near Jorian, by a powerful mine. Nine Army men
lost their lives. In another similar landmine blast near Khumriyal in
Kupwara district, six Army Jawans and a civilian were killed'
 
'May 13-1995- In Bharat Village of Doda, eight Hindus were shot dead
and about half a dozen seriously injured by terrorists. Doda had
virtually become a domain of Pro Pakistan militants and foreign
mercenaries'
 
Other than these incidents which have more or less been forgotten now,
but chronicled painstakingly by Jagmohan in his book, 1995 stands out
for two incidents that marked the peak of Islamist jihad in Kashmir.
 
In March 1995, a fierce encounter between security forces and Mast
Gul, Pakistani commander of a dreaded jihadi outfit broke out in the
Char-e-Sharif shrine. Mast Gul and many foreign mercenaries like him
had laid siege to the shrine. After days of a stand off, the entire
village, including the shrine, was burnt and Mast Gul managed to
escape. According to Pakistani newspapers, Mast Gul managed to cross
the LoC (Line of Control) and was accorded a hero's welcome in
Pakistan.
 
Another defining moment of the Kashmir jihad happened in July 1995
when a lesser known outfit known as Al Faran kidnapped six western
tourists in Anantnag district. Six victims, including two British
tourists, two Americans, a German and a Norwegian were abducted. One
American tourist managed to escape, but the Norwegian tourist was
beheaded and the words Al Faran were carved on to his chest. The
other four are now presumed to be dead.
 
None of these above mentioned incidents found even a fleeting
reference in Vishal Bhardwaj's much talked about recent release
Haider. We are told that Haider is set in 1995 Kashmir, but clearly,
Bhardwaj is not interested in all aspects of the history and politics
of Kashmir. He is only interested in the adaptation of Hamlet in an
Indian setting and Kashmir provides a fantastic backdrop, as would
have any other region, like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq, that
has been torn by strife. The story of love, betrayal, deceit and
revenge could have worked anywhere. In India however, no other
conflict grabs international headlines like Kashmir does. No other
conflict attracts as much opinion as Kashmir and Bhardwaj has been
vindicated because by the end of the first week of its release, Haider
will probably have more reviewers than viewers.
 
Next, Bhardwaj juxtaposes Curfewed Nights written by Basharat Peer
with Hamlet and produces a potpourri that works at the cinematic level
but has nothing to do with the real story of Kashmir. In Bhardwaj's
world view, Kashmir is incidental and the tale of deceit and revenge
takes precedence. Basharat Peer who is also the script writer of the
film provides the political slant which exists in his book and his
writings about Kashmir. Together, the Bhardwaj-Peer combo provides you
with a strange mix that looks like Kashmir, but at the same time seems
so removed from it.
 
Shakespeare's Hamlet is considered an unlikely hero because he is
indecisive and just can't make up his mind about anything. His five
soliloquies in the play confirm that Hamlet is forever questioning and
contemplating. However, while adapting Hamlet; Bhardwaj seems to have
had no doubts. There are no grey areas for him. The Indian State is
the evil. The Indian Army is the occupational force and all terrorists
are innocent folk who would rather quote Faiz than kill or plot
against India. Not for Bhardwaj are many fascinating stories of rescue
and bravery by the forces. Not for Bhardwaj are the gut-wrenching
stories of soldiers from Chennai, to Manipur to Haryana serving in
Kashmir, where every square inch of land is hostile. Not for Bhardwaj
is the story of Kashmir which is the most subsidized state of the
Indian Union and which enjoys the special status that no other state
does. Bhardwaj also does not seem to be interested in providing any
backdrop to the armed insurgency in Kashmir. It seems to have escaped
him that Kashmir was never annexed by India and therefore the Indian
Army is not an occupational force nor does he seem to have understood
the civilizational connect India has with Kashmir which happens to be
as old as the history of Indian civilization. Bhardawaj hasn't made a
film about Kashmir. Bhardawaj has simply made an adaptation of Hamlet
set in Kashmir. That is why historical accuracy is of no consequence
to him, nor the incidents that happened in the year that he has set
his fictional story in. Haider is about the indulgence of its director
and uni-dimensional world view of its script writer.
 
In 1995, most Hindus had been thrown out of the Kashmir valley by
Islamists. I suppose that is why there is no reference to them in the
film. Bhardwaj's Kashmir is a place where only Muslims live; only
mosques exist, only women with covered heads roam around. Bhardwaj's
camera never stops even for a fraction of a second at the burnt house
of a Kashmiri Pandit or a dilapidated temple where not too long ago
the sound of conches reverberated the air. Since this movie is not
about the real Kashmir, Pandits too don't find a place in Bhardwaj's
canvas. It does hurt that any filmmaker can conceive a film about
Kashmir without any reference to Kashmiri Pandits (a fleeting
15-second reference by an Army Officer does not count) but that is the
reality. While azaadi remains a distant dream and will never happen,
Kashmir exists as an Islamic state where minorities have been driven
out.
 
My eyes strained to find anything that I could identify with in
Bhardwaj's Kashmir. I could find nothing and then suddenly I found
myself in the ruins of the Martand Sun Temple. This is where my
parents took me when I was a little girl and my father told me the
story of King Lalitaditya who had built the archeological marvel. It
was destroyed during the Islamic rule by Sikandar Butshikan and legend
has it that it took him a whole year to destroy the beautiful Sun
temple. When I visited the ruins as a little child, I was surprised
that my father took off his shoes to walk on the stones and made me
take off my shoes too. For him, these ruins were our sacred past and
taking our shoes off was a sign of respect. In Bhardwaj's Kashmir, the
ruins of the Martand Sun Temple are just a prop, a backdrop where
'Band Pather' is performed, where menacing dancers with shoes on their
feet perform a dance portraying revenge and retribution. It was
appropriate that I found myself in the ruins of Martand. With little
or no presence of Hindus in Kashmir, it is appropriate that I identify
myself only with the ruins of Martand.
 
I watched the movie without shedding any tears. My tears seem to have
dried up or so I thought. But when the film ended and I read an odd
line of gratitude to Indian soldiers for helping during the recent
floods, I could hold it no longer and wept copious tears at what I
thought was an attempt to add insult to the injury. In the movie, the
Indian army is the villain, it has no humane face, no valiant stories
that the director could think of incorporating. But in the end
credits, he thinks about thanking the Army as an afterthought, for
helping during floods. That is when I could no longer control my tears
at the hypocrisy of it all and lopsided political world view of Vishal
Bhardawaj and Basharat Peer.
 
Views expressed are the author's own
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What a wonderful era will are living in to see movies like
this in glorious rich colours on the big screen,
Fantastic photography of Prague and Maldives and the London
Gherkin and Shimla. The stunts are out of this world . My favourite
is Katrina holding on to that dolphin like tube underwater , certainly
a fast way to swim!
Photography is pin sharp. Dont read the mad Jyotish negative
postings , go and watch this on the big screen. Pity they didnt
subtiltle the songs , the best part of Bollywood.
Story is about a guy who steals the Kohinoor diamond (every
kingdom that had it lost out , the Mughals , Sikhs , Brits, so there
is a pettition to give it to Pakistan!
 
Trailer on
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIFVlsHzwQ
 
 
http://m.koimoi.com/box-office/how-hrithik-katrinas-bang-bang-turned-into-140-cr-affair-the-lowdown
 
How Hrithik-Katrina's Bang Bang Turned Into 140 Cr Affair – The
Lowdown
It is now confirmed, and comes straight from the horse's mouth. Fox
Star Studios has produced Bang Bang for a whopping budget of 140 crore
(including Prints & Advertising) hence giving it the status of one of
the costliest films ever made in Bollywood.
 
Here is the complete lowdown of what contributed to it, and whether a
lesser cost would have at all been justified.
 
 
Hrithik Roshan and Katrina Kaif in a still from movie 'Bang Bang'
 
- Bang Bang has Hrithik Roshan and Katrina Kaif, two of the biggest
superstars of the country, in the lead. No prizes for guessing that
they are also two of the highest paid actors in the country. A good
chunk of moolah goes there.
 
- From Day One, the USP of some never-seen-before action is being
widely spoken about in not just the industry circles but also
audiences. A promise has been made that Bollywood would witness
something unique. Assurance comes from the fact that Hollywood action
director Andy Armstrong (The Amazing Spiderman 2) was roped in to
deliver these breath-taking, death-defying stunts. Creating this
spectacle definitely needed the best crew in the business or else it
would all have looked shoddy. Some of the notable action sequences
involved Hrithik driving a F1 car, perform water-ski after being tied
to a sea-plane and do the fly board stunts. While such sequences are a
first for any Bollywood star, needless to say that the cost incurred
on it is huge as well. Of course from the perspective of helping the
film gain good eye balls, the job is done, what with the visuals being
enticing enough for a big screen extravaganza.
 
- The very genre of the film, which is that of being an adventure
affair. With action-romance thrown in for good measure, the stars were
required to travel across the world so as to join the dots and solve a
mystery which forms the core of Bang Bang! The story travels through
Prague, US, Thailand and Greece amongst other countries and the idea
was to keep a non-compromising approach on the scale of the film while
giving the story its due.
 
- With big vision comes bigger risk – the adage couldn't have been
truer here! DirectorSiddharth Anand wanted to create something
larger-than-life and the producers too stuck their necks out to help
him achieve that. The film was accordingly granted its mammoth budget.
 
Says an insider, "Bang Bang is now the hottest film of 2014, a must
watch
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