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TOPIC: Tamil Nadu Govt bans movie 'Dam 999'
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 23 2011 10:58 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Tamil Nadu Govt bans movie 'Dam 999'
PTI
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Thursday, November 24, 2011
Chennai - Tamil Nadu government today banned 'Dam 999' with immediate
effect after the movie faced a storm of protests from various
political parties which claim the controversial film is based on the
Mullaperiyar dam, over which the state is locked in an escalating row
with Kerala.
Continues here:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/top-story/22810-tamil-nadu-govt-bans-movie-dam-999.html
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 12:44 am
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 12:10 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <b3328973-1cdc-4f66-a9df-121218c77abe@cc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>
> Hollywood takes action hero Jesus to India
>
> Film based on Aquarian Gospel to cover years left out of New Testament
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/19/india.religion
Mallika Sherawat in "The Aquarian Gospel":
http://mallikasherawatfanclub.blogspot.com/2010/03/mallika-sherawat-act-in-film-on-christ.html
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 12:20 pm
From: fanabba
On Nov 24, 3:10 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <b3328973-1cdc-4f66-a9df-121218c77...@cc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
>
>
>
> > Hollywood takes action hero Jesus to India
>
> > Film based on Aquarian Gospel to cover years left out of New Testament
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/19/india.religion
>
> Mallika Sherawat in "The Aquarian Gospel":
>
> http://mallikasherawatfanclub.blogspot.com/2010/03/mallika-sherawat-a...
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
Dhanyavaad for the valuable information !
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 2:20 pm
From: "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
On 11/24/2011 12:20 PM, fanabba wrote:
> On Nov 24, 3:10 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>> In article<b3328973-1cdc-4f66-a9df-121218c77...@cc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>> fanabba<fana...@aol.com> posted:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hollywood takes action hero Jesus to India
>>
>>> Film based on Aquarian Gospel to cover years left out of New Testament
>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/19/india.religion
>>
>> Mallika Sherawat in "The Aquarian Gospel":
>>
>> http://mallikasherawatfanclub.blogspot.com/2010/03/mallika-sherawat-a...
>>
>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>> Om Shanti
>
> Dhanyavaad for the valuable information !
Wow! Poochie is really getting into the spirit of Thanksgiving today,
what with the umpteenth content-free "dhanyavaad" to Lady Kaka. Aaj
bahutich turkey-flavor biskoot mila lagta.
Has Lady Kaka already cut and paste the screenplay for this movie
starring Mallika Sherawat (a really "spiritual" woman)? Phillum mein
"item number" hai kya iska? Will a (cow)dung-covered Lady Kaka stink up
the movies. BTW, Poochie, are you phunding this venture of Lady Kaka?
Not a good idea when Lady Kaka is threatening to phund Barty Bow Bow's
hot air venture. Or maybe Lady Kaka is conning Barty Bow Bow to become
"lyricist" for this movie. Aila! Can't wait for the "lagoonwa mein
baboonwa ke manwa mein kasak hoibe kari..." song.
Don't forget to add Cuckoo Curry Ku to the "writers group". Woh bhi aap
logon jaisa bilkul phraud hai. He is the resident specialist for
"ripping babies from bellies" and I am sure you can work in scene for
this creep. Besides, you'll need a translator for the Sumerian-Chinese
language that Christ spoke in a previous avatar.
--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 2:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
The Keral KalluMallu (V. Bhattathiri) tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and where to post, where to post and where not to
post -- but fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"), he is
priming himself for conditions such as stroke and heart disease.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 7:19 pm
From: "P. Rajah"
Stifling dissent and debate
Under attack from NGOs for its communal orientation, the BJP seeks to
browbeat them and also impose indirect forms of censorship.
PRAFUL BIDWAI
EVERY political party has a distinct, characteristic, style which is as
important as the substance of what it stands for. Any reasonable
description of the Bharatiya Janata Party's style must prominently
mention crudeness, brazenness and a certain kind o f daring to do what
many would think is unthinkable: the Babri Masjid demolition, the
nuclear tests, the wanton attacks on Christians, the telecom scam, the
Kargil fiasco, the gutter-level electioneering.... This pattern has been
on display in two action s of the BJP-led "caretaker" government. The
first is its attempt to restrict and censor scholarly and activist
debate. The second is the BJP's vicious attack on a number of civil
society organisations (CSOs), which joined or endorsed the Communalism
Combat campaign exposing Hindutva (Frontline, October 8, 1999).
More: http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1622/16221000.htm
--
Astrology: Fraud or Superstition?
http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html
Ass-troll-ogers/jyotishitheads are the bane of humanity, and must be
cleansed or otherwise purified for the benefit of society.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vhp-terrorism
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 7:25 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <c517d00e-ac5f-4a04-94b1-e1ee638becc5@p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <b3328973-1cdc-4f66-a9df-121218c77...@cc2g2000vbb.googlegroups=
> ..com>,
> > =A0fanabba <fana...@aol.com> posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hollywood takes action hero Jesus to India
> >
> > > Film based on Aquarian Gospel to cover years left out of New Testament
> >
> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/19/india.religion
> >
> > Mallika Sherawat in "The Aquarian Gospel":
> >
> > http://mallikasherawatfanclub.blogspot.com/2010/03/mallika-sherawat-a...
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
>
> Dhanyavaad for the valuable information !
You are welcome. Here's more:
The Aquarian Gospel
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=37708
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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TOPIC: Shree Ram's denigration is a political project
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 12:48 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Ram's denigration is a political project
By Chandan Mitra
The Pioneer
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Sunday, November 20, 2011
The Great Tradition is always more influential than the Little
Tradition. But Leftists still malign mainstream Ramayan to weaken
Indian civilisation
Ever since Ramayan was serialised on TV in 1986-87 leading to an
unprecedented revival of religiosity among Hindus in post-
independence India, Marxist ideologues have been disoriented by the
threat to their intellectual hegemony. To their further dismay, the
surge of devotion for Ram was quickly capitalised by LK Advani. His
epic Rath Yatra from Somnath in 1989, although aborted in Samastipur
before it could reach its intended destination, generated near-
hysteric fervour across the country culminating in the demolition of
the Babri Masjid which stood at the spot widely believed to have been
the exact place of god-king Ramachandra's birth. That the mosque
erected by Mir Baqi, a general in first Mughal Emperor Babar's army,
was built by demolishing a Hindu temple marking Ram Janmasthan, added
fuel to the ever-latent communal discord.
Left-wing scholars and activists had tried hard to mobilise opinion
against the BJP's campaign prior to the demolition. Following several
failed attempts by Hindu groups to storm the shrine's precincts
between 1990 and early 1992, Marxists mounted a feisty campaign to
demolish the divinity of Ram among the faithful. The most
controversial of these attempts was the staging of an exhibition at
Ayodhya titled "Hum sab Ajuddha" (We can't be vanquished). Funded by
the then Congress stalwart and HRD Minister Arjun Singh, the
exhibition depicted various versions of the Ramayan story, drawing
upon tribal and other folklore. The most offensive ingredient on
display was the depiction of Ram and Sita as brother and sister
according to an obscure tribal interpretation. Agitated Hindu groups
stormed the venue and ransacked the exhibits. Although the organisers
raised a hue and cry, the fact that such an "obscene" display aimed
at denigrating Ram and the entire Ramayan tradition was paid for by
the Government put the Congress on the defensive.
It is important to keep this in mind while understanding the Leftist
intelligentsia's agenda. In their zeal to promote a perverted variant
of secularism, they evolved an incendiary mix of minority appeasement
and Hindu denigration. Their mistaken belief that concerted bids to
demolish Ram's divinity would lead to Hindu masses turning away from
religion backfired grievously. Suggestions that the disputed site at
Ayodhya should be used to build structures ranging from a Government
hospital to a public lavatory actually culminated in strengthening
the idea of Ram as the central deity in the Hindu pantheon.
For some years now, Left intellectuals, especially hardline Marxist
historians, have been on the retreat. But the successful campaign to
remove a controversial essay by AK Ramanujan from Delhi University's
II year BA History syllabus has suddenly infused them with a new
sense of purpose. In the name of academic freedom they are busy
trying to rebuild the fraying coalition of discredited Stalinists and
assorted woolly-headed liberals thereby recreating an atmosphere of
confrontation in Delhi University aimed primarily at isolating the
BJP.
What is the issue with Ramanujan's essay? Derived from Paula Richmond
(edited) "Many Ramayans: The Diversity of Narrative Tradition in
South Asia" (University of California Press, 1991), the essay
compares a few select episodes from the great epic as narrated in the
'mainstream' Valmiki Ramayan with other versions, particularly
Kamban's Tamil work and some Jain tellings. The main example chosen
by Ramanujan is the Ahalya episode in which the wife of sage Gautama
has a sexual encounter with a lustful Lord Indra who, assuming the
form of her husband slept with her while Gautama had gone to a nearby
river to take a bath.
Whether Ahalya was lured unsuspectingly into having sex or willingly
participated in the act is a matter of debate and the two versions
differ in their respective interpretations. But the theme of the
episode in both versions is the same. Gautama had cursed his
unfaithful wife and her lover, making her into a stone statue.
Similarly, he decreed that a thousand vagina cover Indra's body as a
reminder of his illicit lust (Kampan) while in Valmiki, the god loses
his testicles. While Valmiki says on Indra's fervent pleas a council
of Gods got the enraged Gautama to relent and the ever-benevolent
Ram's testicles were grafted onto Indra, Kampan claims the Gods
transformed the vaginas into a thousand eyes.
This tale of sexual deviation has little to do with Ram since in both
versions, Ram the munificent brings a penitent Ahalya back to life.
According to Ramanujan, Valmiki does not attribute godly qualities to
Ram, placing him in the category of god-man whereas in the Kampan
version Ram is clearly a god. I totally fail to understand what then
is the issue about? There is nothing to suggest that Ram is not a
divine personality. In a Jaina tale, Ravana is described as noble,
learned and one of 63 Jain salakapurusas, who attained his powers
through tapas (meditation), was genuinely in love with Sita but had
to die in battle while pursuing his passion. In certain South Indian
lores, Sita is said to have been born of Ravana, who got pregnant and
eventually ejected his "daughter" through his nose"!
The question is: Why should 19 year old IInd year BA History students
be compelled to study these bizarre, obscure versions of one of the
world's greatest epics? While such comparative texts can be dissected
by mature post-graduate or doctoral students of ancient or
Comparative Literature, why are young, impressionable minds being
poisoned by tales of overt sexuality among Gods revered by Hindus?
The salacious, if improbable story of Ahalya has little bearing on
Ram; teaching students Indra's transgressions, therefore, forms part
of the Leftists' political project to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu
epics.
Ramanujan does not narrate, for example, the Pabuji cult, which I
came across in William Dalrymple's "Nine Lives". Worshipped in a
small area of Rajasthan near Bikaner, Pabuji's tale is narrated in a
600-year-old poem, which revolves around the "semi-divine warrior and
incarnate god, Pabu, who died protecting a goddess's magnificent
herds against demonic rustlers". These include the wicked villain
Jindrav Khinchi while Pabuji also protects his women from a
"barbaric, cow-mudering Muslim marauder Mirza Khan Pathan." Then
Pabuji proceeds to Lanka and scores a splendid victory over "Ravana,
the ten-headed Demon-King of Lanka, from whom he steals a herd of
camels as a wedding gift for his favourite niece." Dalrymple refers
to sociologist Komal Kothari who was fascinated by the fusion of a
local hero's tale with the epic Ramayan and concluded that the
distinction between classic epics and folk epics often gets blurred.
Left-wing scholars know well that over time, the Great Tradition
tends to subsume the Little Tradition. In the case of Ramayan,
Valmiki's version, taken forward by Tulsidas's Ram Charit Manas has
emerged as the dominant interpretation of the Great Epic. Fishing out
odd texts from local variations or taking recourse to folk and tribal
versions to indoctrinate undergraduate students is a deliberate ploy
to create confusion. At no stage can Valmiki Ramayan or Tulsidas's
Ramcharitmanas be compared in influence or importance to examples
from the Little Tradition.
Ramanujan's essay was introduced in the Delhi University BA History
syllabus with the sole purpose of turning young Hindus into agnostics
or atheists so that they grow up to be cannon fodder for Marxist
"warriors" against the robust civilisational values of India. Unless
we recognise the hidden agenda of the diabolic Leftist
intelligentsia, the fight to purge Indian academia of their bigoted
objectives will not succeed.
http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50517-rams-denigration-is-a-political-project.html
More at:
http://www.dailypioneer.com
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 1:26 pm
From: fanabba
On Nov 24, 3:48 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Ram's denigration is a political project
>
> By Chandan Mitra
> The Pioneerhttp://www.dailypioneer.com
> Sunday, November 20, 2011
>
> The Great Tradition is always more influential than the Little
> Tradition. But Leftists still malign mainstream Ramayan to weaken
> Indian civilisation
>
> Ever since Ramayan was serialised on TV in 1986-87 leading to an
> unprecedented revival of religiosity among Hindus in post-
> independence India, Marxist ideologues have been disoriented by the
> threat to their intellectual hegemony. To their further dismay, the
> surge of devotion for Ram was quickly capitalised by LK Advani. His
> epic Rath Yatra from Somnath in 1989, although aborted in Samastipur
> before it could reach its intended destination, generated near-
> hysteric fervour across the country culminating in the demolition of
> the Babri Masjid which stood at the spot widely believed to have been
> the exact place of god-king Ramachandra's birth. That the mosque
> erected by Mir Baqi, a general in first Mughal Emperor Babar's army,
> was built by demolishing a Hindu temple marking Ram Janmasthan, added
> fuel to the ever-latent communal discord.
>
> Left-wing scholars and activists had tried hard to mobilise opinion
> against the BJP's campaign prior to the demolition. Following several
> failed attempts by Hindu groups to storm the shrine's precincts
> between 1990 and early 1992, Marxists mounted a feisty campaign to
> demolish the divinity of Ram among the faithful. The most
> controversial of these attempts was the staging of an exhibition at
> Ayodhya titled "Hum sab Ajuddha" (We can't be vanquished). Funded by
> the then Congress stalwart and HRD Minister Arjun Singh, the
> exhibition depicted various versions of the Ramayan story, drawing
> upon tribal and other folklore. The most offensive ingredient on
> display was the depiction of Ram and Sita as brother and sister
> according to an obscure tribal interpretation. Agitated Hindu groups
> stormed the venue and ransacked the exhibits. Although the organisers
> raised a hue and cry, the fact that such an "obscene" display aimed
> at denigrating Ram and the entire Ramayan tradition was paid for by
> the Government put the Congress on the defensive.
>
> It is important to keep this in mind while understanding the Leftist
> intelligentsia's agenda. In their zeal to promote a perverted variant
> of secularism, they evolved an incendiary mix of minority appeasement
> and Hindu denigration. Their mistaken belief that concerted bids to
> demolish Ram's divinity would lead to Hindu masses turning away from
> religion backfired grievously. Suggestions that the disputed site at
> Ayodhya should be used to build structures ranging from a Government
> hospital to a public lavatory actually culminated in strengthening
> the idea of Ram as the central deity in the Hindu pantheon.
>
> For some years now, Left intellectuals, especially hardline Marxist
> historians, have been on the retreat. But the successful campaign to
> remove a controversial essay by AK Ramanujan from Delhi University's
> II year BA History syllabus has suddenly infused them with a new
> sense of purpose. In the name of academic freedom they are busy
> trying to rebuild the fraying coalition of discredited Stalinists and
> assorted woolly-headed liberals thereby recreating an atmosphere of
> confrontation in Delhi University aimed primarily at isolating the
> BJP.
>
> What is the issue with Ramanujan's essay? Derived from Paula Richmond
> (edited) "Many Ramayans: The Diversity of Narrative Tradition in
> South Asia" (University of California Press, 1991), the essay
> compares a few select episodes from the great epic as narrated in the
> 'mainstream' Valmiki Ramayan with other versions, particularly
> Kamban's Tamil work and some Jain tellings. The main example chosen
> by Ramanujan is the Ahalya episode in which the wife of sage Gautama
> has a sexual encounter with a lustful Lord Indra who, assuming the
> form of her husband slept with her while Gautama had gone to a nearby
> river to take a bath.
>
> Whether Ahalya was lured unsuspectingly into having sex or willingly
> participated in the act is a matter of debate and the two versions
> differ in their respective interpretations. But the theme of the
> episode in both versions is the same. Gautama had cursed his
> unfaithful wife and her lover, making her into a stone statue.
> Similarly, he decreed that a thousand vagina cover Indra's body as a
> reminder of his illicit lust (Kampan) while in Valmiki, the god loses
> his testicles. While Valmiki says on Indra's fervent pleas a council
> of Gods got the enraged Gautama to relent and the ever-benevolent
> Ram's testicles were grafted onto Indra, Kampan claims the Gods
> transformed the vaginas into a thousand eyes.
>
> This tale of sexual deviation has little to do with Ram since in both
> versions, Ram the munificent brings a penitent Ahalya back to life.
> According to Ramanujan, Valmiki does not attribute godly qualities to
> Ram, placing him in the category of god-man whereas in the Kampan
> version Ram is clearly a god. I totally fail to understand what then
> is the issue about? There is nothing to suggest that Ram is not a
> divine personality. In a Jaina tale, Ravana is described as noble,
> learned and one of 63 Jain salakapurusas, who attained his powers
> through tapas (meditation), was genuinely in love with Sita but had
> to die in battle while pursuing his passion. In certain South Indian
> lores, Sita is said to have been born of Ravana, who got pregnant and
> eventually ejected his "daughter" through his nose"!
>
> The question is: Why should 19 year old IInd year BA History students
> be compelled to study these bizarre, obscure versions of one of the
> world's greatest epics? While such comparative texts can be dissected
> by mature post-graduate or doctoral students of ancient or
> Comparative Literature, why are young, impressionable minds being
> poisoned by tales of overt sexuality among Gods revered by Hindus?
> The salacious, if improbable story of Ahalya has little bearing on
> Ram; teaching students Indra's transgressions, therefore, forms part
> of the Leftists' political project to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu
> epics.
>
> Ramanujan does not narrate, for example, the Pabuji cult, which I
> came across in William Dalrymple's "Nine Lives". Worshipped in a
> small area of Rajasthan near Bikaner, Pabuji's tale is narrated in a
> 600-year-old poem, which revolves around the "semi-divine warrior and
> incarnate god, Pabu, who died protecting a goddess's magnificent
> herds against demonic rustlers". These include the wicked villain
> Jindrav Khinchi while Pabuji also protects his women from a
> "barbaric, cow-mudering Muslim marauder Mirza Khan Pathan." Then
> Pabuji proceeds to Lanka and scores a splendid victory over "Ravana,
> the ten-headed Demon-King of Lanka, from whom he steals a herd of
> camels as a wedding gift for his favourite niece." Dalrymple refers
> to sociologist Komal Kothari who was fascinated by the fusion of a
> local hero's tale with the epic Ramayan and concluded that the
> distinction between classic epics and folk epics often gets blurred.
>
> Left-wing scholars know well that over time, the Great Tradition
> tends to subsume the Little Tradition. In the case of Ramayan,
> Valmiki's version, taken forward by Tulsidas's Ram Charit Manas has
> emerged as the dominant interpretation of the Great Epic. Fishing out
> odd texts from local variations or taking recourse to folk and tribal
> versions to indoctrinate undergraduate students is a deliberate ploy
> to create confusion. At no stage can Valmiki Ramayan or Tulsidas's
> Ramcharitmanas be compared in influence or importance to examples
> from the Little Tradition.
>
> Ramanujan's essay was introduced in the Delhi University BA History
> syllabus with the sole purpose of turning young Hindus into agnostics
> or atheists so that they grow up to be cannon fodder for Marxist
> "warriors" against the robust civilisational values of India. Unless
> we recognise the hidden agenda of the diabolic Leftist
> intelligentsia, the fight to purge Indian academia of their bigoted
> objectives will not succeed.
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50517-rams-denigration-is-a-p...
>
> More at:http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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The silence of the leftists in the matter of the arrest of the
Christian Priest for
converting Muslims in Kashmir is deafening !
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2011 8:37 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
In article <d889f2b3-769e-430b-8129-ea7f86566674@h5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba@aol.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > Ram's denigration is a political project
> >
> > By Chandan Mitra
> > The Pioneerhttp://www.dailypioneer.com
> > Sunday, November 20, 2011
> >
> > The Great Tradition is always more influential than the Little
> > Tradition. But Leftists still malign mainstream Ramayan to weaken
> > Indian civilisation
> >
> > Ever since Ramayan was serialised on TV in 1986-87 leading to an
> > unprecedented revival of religiosity among Hindus in post-
> > independence India, Marxist ideologues have been disoriented by the
> > threat to their intellectual hegemony. To their further dismay, the
> > surge of devotion for Ram was quickly capitalised by LK Advani. His
> > epic Rath Yatra from Somnath in 1989, although aborted in Samastipur
> > before it could reach its intended destination, generated near-
> > hysteric fervour across the country culminating in the demolition of
> > the Babri Masjid which stood at the spot widely believed to have been
> > the exact place of god-king Ramachandra's birth. That the mosque
> > erected by Mir Baqi, a general in first Mughal Emperor Babar's army,
> > was built by demolishing a Hindu temple marking Ram Janmasthan, added
> > fuel to the ever-latent communal discord.
> >
> > Left-wing scholars and activists had tried hard to mobilise opinion
> > against the BJP's campaign prior to the demolition. Following several
> > failed attempts by Hindu groups to storm the shrine's precincts
> > between 1990 and early 1992, Marxists mounted a feisty campaign to
> > demolish the divinity of Ram among the faithful. The most
> > controversial of these attempts was the staging of an exhibition at
> > Ayodhya titled "Hum sab Ajuddha" (We can't be vanquished). Funded by
> > the then Congress stalwart and HRD Minister Arjun Singh, the
> > exhibition depicted various versions of the Ramayan story, drawing
> > upon tribal and other folklore. The most offensive ingredient on
> > display was the depiction of Ram and Sita as brother and sister
> > according to an obscure tribal interpretation. Agitated Hindu groups
> > stormed the venue and ransacked the exhibits. Although the organisers
> > raised a hue and cry, the fact that such an "obscene" display aimed
> > at denigrating Ram and the entire Ramayan tradition was paid for by
> > the Government put the Congress on the defensive.
> >
> > It is important to keep this in mind while understanding the Leftist
> > intelligentsia's agenda. In their zeal to promote a perverted variant
> > of secularism, they evolved an incendiary mix of minority appeasement
> > and Hindu denigration. Their mistaken belief that concerted bids to
> > demolish Ram's divinity would lead to Hindu masses turning away from
> > religion backfired grievously. Suggestions that the disputed site at
> > Ayodhya should be used to build structures ranging from a Government
> > hospital to a public lavatory actually culminated in strengthening
> > the idea of Ram as the central deity in the Hindu pantheon.
> >
> > For some years now, Left intellectuals, especially hardline Marxist
> > historians, have been on the retreat. But the successful campaign to
> > remove a controversial essay by AK Ramanujan from Delhi University's
> > II year BA History syllabus has suddenly infused them with a new
> > sense of purpose. In the name of academic freedom they are busy
> > trying to rebuild the fraying coalition of discredited Stalinists and
> > assorted woolly-headed liberals thereby recreating an atmosphere of
> > confrontation in Delhi University aimed primarily at isolating the
> > BJP.
> >
> > What is the issue with Ramanujan's essay? Derived from Paula Richmond
> > (edited) "Many Ramayans: The Diversity of Narrative Tradition in
> > South Asia" (University of California Press, 1991), the essay
> > compares a few select episodes from the great epic as narrated in the
> > =91mainstream' Valmiki Ramayan with other versions, particularly
> > Kamban's Tamil work and some Jain tellings. The main example chosen
> > by Ramanujan is the Ahalya episode in which the wife of sage Gautama
> > has a sexual encounter with a lustful Lord Indra who, assuming the
> > form of her husband slept with her while Gautama had gone to a nearby
> > river to take a bath.
> >
> > Whether Ahalya was lured unsuspectingly into having sex or willingly
> > participated in the act is a matter of debate and the two versions
> > differ in their respective interpretations. But the theme of the
> > episode in both versions is the same. Gautama had cursed his
> > unfaithful wife and her lover, making her into a stone statue.
> > Similarly, he decreed that a thousand vagina cover Indra's body as a
> > reminder of his illicit lust (Kampan) while in Valmiki, the god loses
> > his testicles. While Valmiki says on Indra's fervent pleas a council
> > of Gods got the enraged Gautama to relent and the ever-benevolent
> > Ram's testicles were grafted onto Indra, Kampan claims the Gods
> > transformed the vaginas into a thousand eyes.
> >
> > This tale of sexual deviation has little to do with Ram since in both
> > versions, Ram the munificent brings a penitent Ahalya back to life.
> > According to Ramanujan, Valmiki does not attribute godly qualities to
> > Ram, placing him in the category of god-man whereas in the Kampan
> > version Ram is clearly a god. I totally fail to understand what then
> > is the issue about? There is nothing to suggest that Ram is not a
> > divine personality. In a Jaina tale, Ravana is described as noble,
> > learned and one of 63 Jain salakapurusas, who attained his powers
> > through tapas (meditation), was genuinely in love with Sita but had
> > to die in battle while pursuing his passion. In certain South Indian
> > lores, Sita is said to have been born of Ravana, who got pregnant and
> > eventually ejected his "daughter" through his nose"!
> >
> > The question is: Why should 19 year old IInd year BA History students
> > be compelled to study these bizarre, obscure versions of one of the
> > world's greatest epics? While such comparative texts can be dissected
> > by mature post-graduate or doctoral students of ancient or
> > Comparative Literature, why are young, impressionable minds being
> > poisoned by tales of overt sexuality among Gods revered by Hindus?
> > The salacious, if improbable story of Ahalya has little bearing on
> > Ram; teaching students Indra's transgressions, therefore, forms part
> > of the Leftists' political project to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu
> > epics.
> >
> > Ramanujan does not narrate, for example, the Pabuji cult, which I
> > came across in William Dalrymple's "Nine Lives". Worshipped in a
> > small area of Rajasthan near Bikaner, Pabuji's tale is narrated in a
> > 600-year-old poem, which revolves around the "semi-divine warrior and
> > incarnate god, Pabu, who died protecting a goddess's magnificent
> > herds against demonic rustlers". These include the wicked villain
> > Jindrav Khinchi while Pabuji also protects his women from a
> > "barbaric, cow-mudering Muslim marauder Mirza Khan Pathan." Then
> > Pabuji proceeds to Lanka and scores a splendid victory over "Ravana,
> > the ten-headed Demon-King of Lanka, from whom he steals a herd of
> > camels as a wedding gift for his favourite niece." Dalrymple refers
> > to sociologist Komal Kothari who was fascinated by the fusion of a
> > local hero's tale with the epic Ramayan and concluded that the
> > distinction between classic epics and folk epics often gets blurred.
> >
> > Left-wing scholars know well that over time, the Great Tradition
> > tends to subsume the Little Tradition. In the case of Ramayan,
> > Valmiki's version, taken forward by Tulsidas's Ram Charit Manas has
> > emerged as the dominant interpretation of the Great Epic. Fishing out
> > odd texts from local variations or taking recourse to folk and tribal
> > versions to indoctrinate undergraduate students is a deliberate ploy
> > to create confusion. At no stage can Valmiki Ramayan or Tulsidas's
> > Ramcharitmanas be compared in influence or importance to examples
> > from the Little Tradition.
> >
> > Ramanujan's essay was introduced in the Delhi University BA History
> > syllabus with the sole purpose of turning young Hindus into agnostics
> > or atheists so that they grow up to be cannon fodder for Marxist
> > "warriors" against the robust civilisational values of India. Unless
> > we recognise the hidden agenda of the diabolic Leftist
> > intelligentsia, the fight to purge Indian academia of their bigoted
> > objectives will not succeed.
> >
> > http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50517-rams-denigration-is-a-p...
> >
> > More at:
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
>
> The silence of the leftists in the matter of the arrest of the
> Christian Priest for converting Muslims in Kashmir is deafening !
Yes it's so loud I can't hear anything else!
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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